Sermon
Session 1: Biblical Anthropology in a Psychologized Culture
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When we're talking about counseling, we're going to do it a little bit different way. We're going to talk about what it means to counsel in the psychologized world.
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! And the reason I think this is important is because we live in a culture in the United States that is, though we're Christians and we actually have a culture.
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It is counter to something. Everywhere where the gospel brings life, it creates a counterculture. It creates a culture within another culture.
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And so for us to be able to minister in this culture, both to one another and ultimately to other people, we need to understand how our culture, how we as enculturated Christians, interact with a larger culture.
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And so this is going to be a chance to kind of talk through what does it mean to counsel and minister to folks in a culture that is psychologized.
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There's going to be critique here. And so if you have a psychology background, there will be critique.
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My goal here, though, is not to just simply come in and critique psychology. I want to do something more.
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I want to talk about the world we live in and what the worldview is and how we're embedded in it and then how both ourselves and others are shaped by that world and how we think, how we process, how we understand ourselves.
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And where if we're trying to counsel people from God's word, how we need to engage.
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And so this is going to be a lot of material about understanding the psychologized world.
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But also, I want you to help me to know how it would apply to your circumstances, how the people you relate to in the church, outside the church, how you might share the gospel, how you might relate to family, friends.
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And so the goal is to just kind of give you a way of thinking about this so that when you counsel, you're counseling thoughtfully into the world you're speaking.
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My concern is when we talk about biblical counseling, a lot of times what we end up with is people taking Bible verses and just kind of throwing them into somebody's life, decontextualized.
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Or if they're not doing that, they're unaware of how much they're affected by the culture and they screen out biblical truth and replace it with quasi-Christian thinking that is as much about psychology as it is about the Bible.
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But neither of those is helpful for the purpose of ministry because the one, the just dropping Bible verses and Bible concepts into people's lives, decontextualized, leads people to understand, well, how does this really apply to my life?
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What does it really mean?
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And to do the other means we're giving people a false sense of what Jesus came in to do and how he changed his lives.
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And so this is going to be a lecture kind of process, but I'm going to pause and interact with you over things that you're thinking about as you're ministering to people.
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So what I want you to do is as we're talking to just simply think through situations you're ministering in.
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Again, it might be people, friends in the church.
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If you want to talk about situations you're in that involve people in the church, just be discreet.
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You know, we don't want to be like, oh, that guy over there.
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This is a problem I have with him.
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Be discreet.
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But there may be, again, family members.
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A lot of times I'll find that people are trying to know how to relate what God is doing in their lives, how to minister to family members or friends, coworkers, different ways where you're trying to just interact and relate.
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And so I hope what this does is gives you a better framework for understanding your mission in a psychologized culture.
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In his book, we're going to do three things.
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The first section is going to be on biblical anthropology.
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How do we understand ourselves and how anthropology functions in a psychologized world?
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So that's going to be our first session.
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The second session is going to be actually dealing with how do we understand the mental health world?
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And by mental health world, I mean the entire set of systems that are set up to diagnose and care for people who are struggling with problems that are often called mental health problems.
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And so we're going to look at that.
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And the goal of that is to help understand what's actually being done when you're talking about a diagnosis.
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What exactly is, what is going on with medication?
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We're not going to go deep into it, but I want to give you a framework to understand what's happening when we hear all these diagnostic terms and words and labels and what they mean and what they don't mean.
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Where they're beneficial, where they might be deficient.
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And then the third session is going to be how do you minister to somebody who's kind of just lived and grown up in and imbibe a therapeutic view of themselves?
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And I don't mean therapeutic negatively.
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I simply mean somebody where they just don't question some of the assumptions that we have in this culture about the way we understand ourselves and our problems.
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That's what we're getting at.
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We all know there are problems.
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We all have problems.
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We all struggle in various ways.
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How do we understand those struggles?
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How do we know how to relate to those struggles?
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How does the Bible speak to us about those struggles?
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How does the world tell us how to deal with those struggles?
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And where do we need to find a way to interject biblical truth into a world that doesn't think biblically?
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So that's the goal.
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I'm going to pray and then we're going to jump right in.
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Heavenly Father, I do pray this morning for those who are here, Lord, that this investment of their time would be meaningful and helpful.
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It would serve them both in their thinking and also practically in ministry situations that they find themselves in right now.
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Lord, guide us, God, as we talk.
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Help us to turn this into a collaborative effort, O Lord Jesus.
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And Spirit of God, just come and speak.
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We're not going to be in the scriptures heavily today.
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But I do pray that you would speak through what we're doing.
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In Jesus' name.
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Amen.
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In his book, The Rise of the Modern Self, Carl Truman is the author.
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He channels concepts of philosopher Charles Taylor described contemporary Western self-identity.
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Taylor talks about culture as a social imaginary.
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A collective sense of identity that each culture accepts and lives comfortably within.
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Social imaginary is simply the embedded assumptions about life that are found in each culture.
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And every culture and subculture has those, just givens.
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The social imaginary is the givens.
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We just all know this.
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We all assume this.
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And Carl Truman summarizes that the social imaginary is the way people think about the world, how they imagine it to be, how they act intuitively in relation to it.
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That is emphatically not to make the social imaginary simply into a set of identifiable ideas.
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It is the totality of the way we look at our world to make sense of it and to make sense of our behavior within it.
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That's what we're talking about.
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How we understand the world.
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I was just talking to, what's your name again?
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Elena.
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Elena.
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So Elena, who grew up down in Atlanta, like I did.
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And the differences in culture between the deep south and up here in New England, they're subtle in terms of a global perspective.
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But growing up in the south, the first thing I noticed when I came up north was nobody talked about the Civil War.
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Like down south, the Civil War was still a big thing because the war shaped everything about the culture.
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I came up here and the Civil War was irrelevant.
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And so there was a social imaginary in the deep south about being a defeated, we were the only people in this country who had a sense of defeat in our identity.
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Also differences racially, ethnically.
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In the deep south, at least when I was growing up, it was primarily black and white.
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There had been no immigration.
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There was no Jewish or Italian immigrants or Polish or Irish.
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You're just black and white.
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Now, obviously that's changed now with immigration from Mexico and South America.
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But the idea was that down there, it was very simple.
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Ralph D'Aberdathy was talking about racial differences in the north and south.
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And he was one of the kings of the lieutenants.
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And he said, referencing blacks as they interact with whites, he said, down in the south, people, any white people, don't care how close you are as long as you don't get too high.
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Up north, people don't care how high you are as long as you don't get too close.
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And that was his understanding.
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That was a social imaginary, the difference that people just assumed.
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So that's what we're talking about.
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Cultures had these imaginaries.
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Taylor coined the term expressive individualism to attempt to capture the Western, particularly American, social imaginary.
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Expressive individualism.
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This is not a novel concept.
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Christopher Lash's controversial 1979 assessment of 20 cents a year in America, the culture of narcissism coined the phrase the therapeutic self.
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1979.
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1996, Ronald Warkin critiqued American culture in his book as the rise of the imperial self,
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which he identified as a culture dominated by individuality, self-expression, autonomy, and self-esteem.
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So this idea of what we orient to in American culture, Western culture in general, but American culture particularly,
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is a highly individualistic, self-oriented understanding of life.
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One of our pastors this past week was just, you know, in his sermon, was just kind of talking through some things.
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And he said, he was talking about, he's a young man, he's in his mid-20s.
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And he said, he said, ground zero in my life is what I think about myself.
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And that's a great way to capture this idea of expression of individualism.
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What I think about myself is how I orient to the world.
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That's the world we live in.
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I think I'm not telling you something you don't know and don't experience.
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And maybe see in hyperdrive in a world of higher education around here.
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Where this idea of my own self-identity.
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And what's been added to it in the last few years is not simply I need to express myself,
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but you need to authenticate however I want to express myself.
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My personhood not only requires my right and ability to express myself,
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but it requires those around me to affirm and authenticate and celebrate how I think about myself.
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That's what we're talking about.
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This is not a seminar in American culture.
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This cultural understanding is important for you and me as Christians in this culture.
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This is the world in which we live and move and have our being, as Paul said.
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Did we use another Pauline phrase?
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This is the manner of life to which our old self is very much attached.
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If you read Ephesians 4, Paul's talking,
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calling the believers out of a former manner of life that you learned
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and that is attached to the old way,
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and he's calling people into a new manner of life that is in Christ.
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What I want to help us do is understand the world better,
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to understand the ways it relates to human problems and suffering,
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and to learn how to do better fellowship and ministry.
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One of my concerns in my own church is that if we live with this sense of cultural individual expressionism,
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it actually comes into the church in the way we care for one another.
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When someone is dealing with a problem, how we relate to one another,
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how we understand one another, what's the nature of our problems.
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And so we can be in the church really feeding this worldview to one another.
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Without even knowing it, because we're like fish in the ocean.
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It's what we breathe.
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It's all we know.
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And so we have to think outside of what we know to do effective ministry.
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I have a few baseline points out of which we'll be operating.
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One is we live in a psychologized culture
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that we all, and we're all inherently shaped by that culture.
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That includes Christians.
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So you and I are not exempt.
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Coming to Christ is a radical change in our hearts,
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but it's a call to change our thinking about who we are and how we live in this world.
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That doesn't come overnight.
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That's a lifelong process because we're in a battle against the world.
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The world entices us to conforming to the way it thinks.
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The world sets up its values and then calls us to love those values and to pursue those values.
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So we are psychologized people.
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I am a psychologized person.
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The psychologized culture is distinctly shaped by Western, first world, affluent values
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that do not translate coherently to other cultural settings.
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To take American, particularly American values,
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Europe has its own sort of set of values based on the histories of the different countries,
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but in America, our values don't translate well into other cultures
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without simply overtaking those cultures.
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I teach biblical counseling in Adi Sabo, Ethiopia,
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and it's amazing how hard it is to teach counseling in a culture that is pre-psychologized.
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Now, a lot of the folks I teach are at university school,
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and so they're familiar with things.
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They certainly know Netflix and by their phones understand culture.
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They know the music.
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All that's this expressive individualism coming into the culture,
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but they don't have concepts to understand basic things that we find interesting.
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I was doing a course back in May there on complex problems,
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and I was trying to find some way to give them something to work with,
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and I found there was a show produced in Kenya
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that is kind of like, it's kind of like TED Talks for Kenya, essentially.
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Very well done, usually done.
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But they had a guy on there who's Kenyan,
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and he was talking about dealing with depression,
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and he shared how his depression was not understood by his culture,
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that he needed to find Western counseling to be able to help him deal with it.
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But he was a musician.
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He was a performance artist, musician.
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And so he did this song, and it was in Swahili.
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And he sang this beautiful song in Swahili,
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but it's interesting because every word was in Swahili,
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except he had to insert the word depression into the song
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because there's no concept in Swahili
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to define depression as it's defined here.
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That's common.
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Our way of thinking requires affluence.
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It requires a certain way of understanding
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who we are in relationship to family,
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who we are in relationship to community,
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how laws are set up,
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what rights we have as individuals,
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our collective history.
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All those things come into play
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that shape who we are,
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that when we sort of think we can walk into another culture
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and drop that in,
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it doesn't work.
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And so as a result,
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we have to see what we're dealing with
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is what seems to be
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very common and self-understood
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in our culture.
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It is very distinct in other cultures.
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It's very different.
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I'm not telling you anything you don't know.
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A third point,
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the psychological worldview
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is built on an anthropology
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that's inherently opposed
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to biblical anthropology.
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That's where we're going to spend most of the time
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in the next few minutes,
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so I'll just let you know.
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Psychology is,
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as an anthropology,
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is inherently opposed
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to biblical anthropology.
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There's not any real place
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within to connect.
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A fourth point,
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effective biblical ministry
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and fellowship
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requires we understand
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the culture
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and values
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and assumptions
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carried by the people
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to whom we minister
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without imbibing
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those values
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in the way
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we bring ministry.
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So in a sense,
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we are going to be
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counterculture
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in our ministry.
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And what makes it hard
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is that we're not
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counterculture
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in our own thinking.
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So we have to be
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self-evaluative
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before we can evaluate
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how to help other people.
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So let's begin.
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Definition of psychology,
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the study of the soul.
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Psychology,
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often these days,
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it's being portrayed
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as a science.
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It's a social science.
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But it really is,
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and it says,
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it's the study of the soul.
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The study of humanness
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as individually perceived
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and understood.
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And it's a system
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of understanding.
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And to talk about this,
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I want to use,
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as a biblical counselor,
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David Powelson.
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You guys familiar
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with David Powelson?
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Okay,
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so David Powelson,
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you really want to,
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if you know Tim Keller,
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and you're a fan
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of Tim Keller,
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what Keller did
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for generally understanding
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the gospel
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into the culture
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as believers,
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Powelson was good at
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in dealing with counseling.
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He knew how to engage
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this psychologized world
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in a winsome way,
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in a thoughtful way.
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And so,
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Powelson uses
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what we call
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an upstream,
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downstream metaphor.
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So we're going to kind of
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use that as a basis
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for understanding.
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The world of psychology,
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you might want to see,
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is a river
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that flows from upstream
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to downstream.
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And I sort of have it
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in a very crude
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sort of a graphic there.
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At the top end
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of this,
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at the fountainhead
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of the world of psychology,
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is the area
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of theology
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and philosophy.
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There are philosophical
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worldviews
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that shape
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psychology.
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Those produce,
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a little farther
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downstream,
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theories.
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So based on this,
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these philosophical
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understandings,
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here are theories
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that make sense
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of what that means.
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And out of those theories
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then come models
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and methodologies
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of application.
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And then out of
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those methodologies
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become practices.
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Now we have these models.
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What are the practices
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that flow
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from those models
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and methodologies?
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And then,
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what is the cultural
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effect
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of these kinds
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of practices?
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So that's a good way
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to understand
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this idea
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of psychology
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as a worldview.
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It starts
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in the world
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of philosophy
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and it works its way
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through theories,
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which we'll be looking
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at mostly today
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in the first session,
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and then models
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and methodologies
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and then therapeutic
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practices,
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how these get put
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into play,
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and then how do
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they affect people
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and culture
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and social trends.
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So as we go
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through this material,
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we'll process it through,
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I want you to process
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through your personal
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orientation.
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I think you will find
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that each of these models
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and theories
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that we talk about
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are going to have
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in some sense
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relevance to how
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you've thought about life
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or something you're
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familiar with.
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So we're going to
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navigate the upstream
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and downstream dynamic.
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In the area of theology
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and philosophy,
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we're talking about
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the area of
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psychological anthropology.
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This is the fountainhead
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of any theory
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of the soul.
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Whether you're looking
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at secular
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or religious worldviews,
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there are four basic
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anthropological questions
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that must be addressed.
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Who are we?
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Who am I?
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What's wrong with me?
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Because one of the things
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every human being
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has an awareness of
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is things aren't right.
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Nobody lives in this world
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in the delusion
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that everything's right
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and will end up right.
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What we know
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is that we enter
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into the world,
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there is suffering,
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and then there is death.
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And how do you explain that?
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And how do you
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navigate life
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because of that?
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So what's wrong with us?
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The third question
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coming out of that
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is what should be
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right with us.
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There's a sense
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we all have
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that it should not
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be this way.
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Why is it this way?
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Why is life hard?
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Why is life unjust?
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Why do I suffer
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in the way I do?
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Why is there
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unexplainable suffering
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in this world?
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What should be right?
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If this weren't the case,
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what would it be right?
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What's the way
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it should be?
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And then the fourth question
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is what would it take
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to fix the problem?
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Every anthropology
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is dealing in some sense
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with those questions.
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So how does a biblical Christian
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answer those questions?
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I'm going to take
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you guys through it.
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You help me
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as well-taught
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church members.
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Who are we?
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Who are we?
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What do you know
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from the bottom?
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Sinners?
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Yeah,
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but more fundamentally
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than that.
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Image of God.
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Yeah,
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we're
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persons
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created
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in the image
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of God.
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That's what the Bible
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tells us.
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What else do we know?
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That's a loaded statement
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right there,
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isn't it?
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God created
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man,
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male,
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and female.
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so there is
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gender distinction
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in creation.
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We're creating
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the image
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of God
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one.
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Worship.
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To serve.
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Yeah.
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Is that what you mean?
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What's your
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mission statement
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for the church?
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To glorify God
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by making
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disciples of Jesus
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Christ
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in the power
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of the Holy Spirit.
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Yeah,
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so
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that's what we're
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called to be.
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That's one way
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of expressing it,
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right?
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To worship God.
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Is worship
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simply
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growling at the
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foot of a deity?
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Is that what we do?
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We just,
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we sacrifice
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to a God
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to appease him
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or her
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or it
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so that we can
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experience
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a good life?
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Is that what it is?
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What's the purpose?
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What's our,
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why are we here?
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Going back to Genesis
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to have dominion.
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Yeah,
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to express dominion,
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we've been given
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a responsibility
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by God
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which means
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we're distinct
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from other
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creatures
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God has created,
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right?
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We are distinct
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because of
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this,
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of what things?
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First of all,
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one of the things
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is this idea
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that we've been given
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a job.
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More,
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more fundamental
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even than that
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is what?
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We're created
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for relationship
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with God,
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to walk
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with God,
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to enjoy
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him.
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As Augustine
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said,
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to glorify God
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and enjoy him
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forever.
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That's one way
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to understand
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who we are.
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That's what,
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that's what
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we are.
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In other words,
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our life
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is lived
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in relationship
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to have been
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created
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for a purpose
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and given
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identity
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in relationship
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to God
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who we
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are seeing,
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are meant
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to see
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as both
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Lord over
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us
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but also
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the one
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who cares
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for us.
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That's the
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distinctly
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Christian view
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of who we
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are.
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We can expound
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on that
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but that's
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good enough
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for right now.
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So what's wrong
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with us?
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We're sinners.
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We're sinners,
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right?
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Whatever that
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is that we
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were supposed
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to enjoy
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has been
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marred.
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What is
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sin?
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Disobedience.
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Yet it
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starts as
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disobedience.
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It's a
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rejection
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of God's
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rightful
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lordship
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and his
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loving,
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gracious
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provision
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for us.
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It's both.
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You can't
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just sort of
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we reject
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his lordship.
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We're also
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rejecting
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his provision
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for us
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saying
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we can
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do it
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on our
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own.
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We don't
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need God.
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So part of
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the fundamental
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problem is
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a rejection
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of who
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we are
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meant to
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be and
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how we're
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meant to
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live
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in the
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favor
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and rather
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to be
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live for
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ourselves
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according to
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our own
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ways.
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Romans 1 and 2
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talk about that.
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What does that
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produce?
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What does
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God say to
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Adam?
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In a
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nutshell.
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Death?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Now you'll die.
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Not just a
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physical death.
-
Separation
-
from God.
-
Futility.
-
Ignorance.
-
Blindness.
-
Self-destruction.
-
Idolatry.
-
That's what's
-
wrong with us
-
according to
-
the Bible.
-
What should
-
be right
-
with us?
-
I'll answer
-
that one
-
quickly.
-
What should
-
be right
-
with us
-
is that
-
we have
-
a restored
-
relationship
-
with God.
-
That
-
whatever's
-
been made
-
wrong
-
gets made
-
right.
-
Cornelius
-
Plantinga
-
talks about
-
this in
-
terms of
-
shalom.
-
The right
-
standing in
-
the right
-
place is
-
peace.
-
Shalom.
-
Plantinga
-
defines it
-
as living
-
the way
-
things ought
-
to be.
-
God
-
created and
-
set something
-
up so that
-
we would
-
flourish.
-
And because
-
of sin we
-
no longer
-
flourish.
-
We live
-
in futility.
-
and so
-
we are
-
not living
-
in the
-
way things
-
ought to
-
be.
-
And so
-
the
-
restoration
-
that should
-
come to
-
us is
-
that we
-
return to
-
a place
-
of shalom.
-
A place
-
of peace
-
with God,
-
a peace
-
in our
-
soul,
-
and a peace
-
in our
-
world.
-
That's why I
-
wrote the
-
book
-
Peace.
-
Because I
-
wanted to
-
explore this
-
idea of what
-
does it mean
-
to be
-
reconciled to
-
God and
-
one another
-
and to
-
have peace
-
in a world
-
full of
-
strife.
-
What does
-
it mean to
-
have peace?
-
So that's
-
what should
-
be right
-
with us
-
and what
-
does it
-
take to
-
fix the
-
problem?
-
From a
-
biblical
-
perspective,
-
what fixes
-
the problem?
-
Jesus.
-
What about
-
Jesus?
-
Jesus
-
dying for
-
us.
-
Yes.
-
And what
-
is the
-
death?
-
Is it just
-
simply a
-
random
-
death?
-
The
-
death that
-
covers our
-
sins.
-
Yes.
-
It's an
-
atonement.
-
Our sins
-
need to be
-
dealt with.
-
They need to
-
be purged.
-
They need to
-
have them be
-
removed from
-
us so that
-
God can
-
relate to
-
us as if
-
we were not
-
sinners.
-
And he
-
sent the
-
Son as a
-
propitiation
-
for our
-
sins so
-
that we
-
might no
-
longer live
-
in
-
judgment
-
but live
-
not only
-
in
-
righteousness
-
but in
-
restored
-
relationship
-
and even
-
adoption
-
and new
-
relationship.
-
And so
-
in a sense
-
the
-
remedy of
-
the Bible
-
is the
-
latter will
-
be better
-
than the
-
former.
-
Because
-
ultimately
-
what we're
-
meant to
-
do is
-
in
-
eternity
-
have an
-
unbroken
-
relationship
-
with God.
-
and this
-
is crucial.
-
Christianity
-
the Bible
-
understands
-
that life
-
does not
-
end here.
-
That this
-
is a
-
continuation.
-
Death
-
moves us
-
in a
-
continuation
-
into another
-
state of
-
life which
-
is eternal
-
either
-
punishment
-
or eternal
-
blessing.
-
So that's
-
the way
-
the Bible
-
understands
-
anthropology.
-
anthropology.
-
So
-
you've got
-
that and
-
what I want
-
you to do
-
is we're
-
going to
-
look at
-
three different
-
ways to
-
understand
-
anthropology
-
and how
-
they differ
-
from the
-
Bible and
-
how these
-
make up
-
the
-
psychological
-
worldview.
-
So we're
-
going to
-
do a
-
little bit
-
of history
-
trying to
-
go through
-
this pretty
-
quickly.
-
The rise
-
of modern
-
psychological
-
theories of
-
human behavior
-
occurred in
-
the mid to
-
late 19th
-
century.
-
Prior to
-
the 19th
-
century most
-
work was
-
done through
-
a spiritual
-
lens or
-
understood through
-
a spiritual
-
lens or
-
through a
-
rudimentary
-
medical lens.
-
But changes
-
brought about
-
by the
-
enlightenment
-
and the
-
scientific
-
revolution
-
created an
-
environment
-
out of which
-
the psychological
-
culture developed.
-
Humanistic
-
philosophy and
-
culture,
-
cultural
-
modernism
-
create an
-
alternative
-
understanding
-
of the soul.
-
So what
-
is the
-
primal
-
goo
-
of
-
psychology?
-
Well,
-
several factors.
-
Religious
-
liberalism and
-
higher
-
criticism was
-
an attack on
-
the veracity
-
of the
-
Bible and
-
the
-
orthodox
-
Christianity
-
in the
-
academy.
-
So at the
-
upper end of
-
philosophy and
-
theology, the
-
Bible was set
-
aside in favor
-
of rationalism.
-
That results in
-
sort of a
-
rationalistic
-
scientific
-
empiricism.
-
Truth is not
-
transcendent.
-
it must be
-
reasoned out.
-
A lot of
-
what I'm doing
-
in studying
-
religious liberty
-
is how that
-
played out in
-
the colonial
-
revolutionary
-
periods in
-
this country
-
and what
-
were the
-
what was the
-
thinking about
-
God that
-
was going on?
-
What was
-
changing?
-
We know
-
that up here
-
in New
-
England,
-
what would
-
have been
-
orthodox
-
Puritan
-
Calvinistic
-
Christianity
-
was giving
-
way to
-
all manner
-
of deistic
-
and unitarian
-
tendencies
-
which prevail
-
to this day.
-
Truth is not
-
transcendent.
-
It must be
-
reasoned out.
-
Romanticism
-
in a response
-
to really
-
what happened
-
in the French
-
Revolution
-
when the
-
Enlightenment
-
kind of
-
project blew
-
up,
-
the reaction
-
was romanticism.
-
Rather than
-
going from
-
we have
-
an academy
-
of pure
-
reason
-
that we
-
appeal to,
-
now we
-
go the
-
opposite
-
direction
-
saying no,
-
what you
-
feel is
-
what happened.
-
So romanticism
-
as a period
-
is what
-
feels.
-
It has to
-
do with
-
what the
-
human
-
experience
-
and impulse
-
is
-
where
-
romanticism
-
comes.
-
So you
-
get this
-
idea that
-
what's
-
inside of
-
me
-
is what
-
really
-
matters.
-
You have
-
Darwinian
-
anthropology.
-
Every human
-
experience
-
can be
-
understood
-
in purely
-
rationalistic
-
terms.
-
Darwin
-
says,
-
man with
-
all his
-
noble qualities,
-
with sympathy
-
which feels
-
for the most
-
debased,
-
with benevolence
-
which extends
-
not only to
-
other men
-
but to
-
the humblest
-
living creature,
-
with his
-
godlike
-
intellect
-
which has
-
penetrated
-
into the
-
movements
-
and
-
constitution
-
of the
-
solar
-
system,
-
kind of
-
overstatement
-
there at
-
that time,
-
with all
-
these exalted
-
powers,
-
man still
-
bears in
-
his bodily
-
frame the
-
indelible
-
stamp of
-
his lowly
-
origin.
-
That is
-
Darwin's
-
anthropology.
-
Karl Marx,
-
Marxian
-
materialism,
-
when I was
-
in college,
-
that was my
-
field of
-
study,
-
I was a
-
Marxist,
-
and I
-
studied
-
Marxism
-
as my,
-
that was my,
-
that was my,
-
essentially
-
studying my
-
degree.
-
Human
-
problems are
-
not internal,
-
they're entirely
-
external,
-
and they
-
come from
-
alienated
-
social
-
existence.
-
And so
-
Marx is
-
well known
-
for saying
-
religion is
-
the sigh
-
of the
-
oppressed
-
creature,
-
the heart
-
of a
-
heartless
-
world,
-
and the
-
soul of
-
the soulless
-
conditions
-
is the
-
opium
-
of the
-
people.
-
And then
-
humanist
-
spirituality,
-
William
-
James,
-
not very
-
familiar these
-
days as a
-
name,
-
but actually
-
is very
-
prominent in
-
terms of
-
conceptual
-
ideas these
-
days.
-
Belief,
-
see if this
-
doesn't resonate
-
with anybody
-
you know,
-
belief is a
-
valid human
-
experience that
-
has no
-
quantifiable
-
relationship to
-
the existence
-
of God.
-
So it's
-
important for
-
you to have
-
belief in
-
something,
-
but it
-
doesn't have
-
to be God.
-
James says,
-
religion is
-
the feelings,
-
acts, and
-
experience of
-
individual men
-
or women
-
in their
-
solitude so
-
far as they
-
apprehend
-
themselves to
-
stand in
-
relation to
-
whatever they
-
may consider
-
the divine.
-
Does that
-
sound pretty
-
current?
-
Yeah.
-
So William
-
James kind
-
of fell out
-
into disfavor,
-
but now
-
essentially,
-
and that's
-
what really
-
broke me
-
away from
-
my final
-
moorings as
-
a Christian
-
or growing
-
up in the
-
church was
-
William James,
-
reading William
-
James and
-
realizing I
-
don't need,
-
I can just
-
have belief in
-
whatever.
-
I'm reading a
-
book right now
-
on hope and
-
it's actually a
-
secular book,
-
but the underlying
-
of the book is
-
hope is not,
-
it doesn't have
-
to be anything
-
in particular,
-
it's a set of
-
thinking about
-
yourself,
-
you can hope
-
in yourself,
-
and that's
-
true hope,
-
that's William
-
James.
-
Here's the key,
-
all these
-
philosophies have
-
as a starting
-
point the
-
denial of a
-
transcendent God,
-
all current
-
theories and
-
methodologies flow
-
out of some
-
combination of
-
these anthropologies,
-
so I gave you
-
those briefly
-
because that's
-
the primal
-
goo,
-
that's the
-
philosophical
-
underpinnings of
-
all psychological
-
thinking in the
-
Western culture.
-
So the three
-
basic theories
-
coming out of
-
those philosophies,
-
three basic
-
theories,
-
I'm using
-
three because
-
I'm trying to
-
kind of keep
-
it,
-
there's probably
-
650 different
-
psychological
-
theories currently
-
in operation
-
right now,
-
and they're
-
all contradictory,
-
but in one
-
way or the
-
other,
-
they fit into
-
one of these
-
three camps,
-
so in order to
-
break it down
-
to this level,
-
there's overlapping,
-
so I don't want
-
to oversimplify it,
-
but it's important
-
to recognize that
-
these three kind
-
of schools have
-
retained relevance
-
up to this day.
-
So the first
-
one I would call
-
the psychobiology
-
field,
-
these are kind
-
of in
-
historical order,
-
the psychobiology
-
field,
-
in that field
-
our problems
-
are physically
-
a part of us
-
and must be
-
alleviated by
-
externally
-
administered
-
treatment.
-
Modern psychology
-
began in the
-
field of medicine,
-
biological
-
connection of
-
character and
-
mental health
-
has a long
-
history,
-
theory.
-
My brain
-
theories,
-
even in the
-
1800s,
-
are popular.
-
The insane
-
asylum gives
-
way to the
-
psychiatric
-
hospital.
-
field is
-
developed in
-
sort of a
-
linear
-
progression.
-
As
-
different
-
medical advances
-
happen,
-
they're applied
-
in various
-
different ways
-
to
-
psychological
-
conditions,
-
diagnostic
-
technology,
-
medical research,
-
pharmacology.
-
In its
-
contemporary
-
expression,
-
the psychobiology
-
field is dominated
-
by pharmacology.
-
Psychobiology
-
field has
-
become
-
intertwined
-
with the
-
pharmaceutical
-
industry
-
and the
-
insurance
-
field.
-
They work
-
together in
-
our current
-
culture in
-
a way that's
-
created the
-
medical model
-
approach to
-
psychological
-
care.
-
We can talk
-
about that if
-
you want.
-
The reason
-
it's been
-
prominent is
-
because of
-
what medicine
-
can do,
-
what insurance
-
will pay for,
-
and what
-
pharmaceutical
-
companies are
-
willing to
-
produce,
-
able to
-
produce.
-
Those drive
-
the medical
-
model.
-
So what does
-
it say?
-
Who are we?
-
According to
-
the medical
-
model,
-
according to
-
the psychobiology
-
model,
-
who are we?
-
This is the
-
way I would
-
say it.
-
If you're
-
taking notes,
-
you don't
-
have to take
-
it.
-
I'm just
-
trying to
-
give you
-
the ideas.
-
We live
-
as biological
-
entities in
-
a materialistic
-
world with
-
no verifiable
-
transcendent
-
reality.
-
Humanness is
-
a biological
-
construct.
-
We are the
-
product of
-
our evolutionary
-
development,
-
that's obviously
-
Darwin,
-
as it shapes
-
and is shaped
-
by genetic
-
and chemical
-
factors common
-
to nature.
-
one of the
-
last 30
-
years.
-
The development
-
of what we
-
call the
-
evolutionary
-
psychology is
-
actually trying
-
to understand
-
human
-
personality
-
and at
-
its best
-
as an
-
adaptation
-
through
-
evolution.
-
So whenever
-
you read
-
articles,
-
particularly
-
popular articles
-
about some
-
psychological
-
condition or
-
whatever it is,
-
some behavior
-
tendency,
-
you'll always
-
see some
-
reference to
-
this comes
-
from this
-
adaptation in
-
evolution.
-
That's what
-
we're talking
-
about in the
-
psychological
-
field.
-
What's wrong
-
with us?
-
Our problems,
-
needs are us.
-
In other words,
-
everything is in
-
our physicality.
-
Our greatest
-
problems are the
-
limits of our
-
bodies to
-
function at a
-
capacity that
-
allows us to
-
experience pleasure
-
and minimize
-
pain during
-
our lifespan.
-
So if we
-
are just
-
simply evolved
-
creatures,
-
then the
-
goal is for
-
us to lead
-
with maximum
-
enjoyment and
-
minimal pain
-
as long as
-
possible.
-
So here,
-
I'm at an
-
age where
-
everything I
-
get on my
-
news feed
-
seems to
-
speak to
-
getting older
-
and the
-
avoidance of
-
things and
-
turning back
-
age.
-
And there's
-
so many
-
different things
-
coming soon
-
where you can
-
actually turn
-
back age and
-
this craving
-
to put off
-
death.
-
What's
-
fascinating,
-
and this is
-
an aside,
-
it's produced
-
a culture,
-
and this is
-
the idea
-
of a lot
-
of it,
-
where medical
-
science can
-
extend bodily
-
life beyond
-
personal meaning.
-
And so what
-
you see now
-
among the
-
aging is they
-
can live
-
until 90 or
-
95.
-
they have
-
no meaning
-
of life
-
past 80.
-
The last
-
15 years
-
are just
-
waiting to
-
die.
-
And they
-
can be
-
kept.
-
One of the
-
great struggles
-
in gerontology
-
is this idea
-
that medicine
-
knows how to
-
keep people
-
alive.
-
It doesn't
-
know how to
-
make their
-
lives meaningful.
-
And that's
-
what's going
-
on in
-
psychomiology.
-
what should
-
be right
-
with us.
-
In this
-
model,
-
in the
-
psychobiology
-
model,
-
what should
-
be right
-
with us,
-
our potential
-
is a
-
reasonable
-
quality of
-
life as
-
long as
-
life can
-
be reasonably
-
lived.
-
The pursuit
-
of change
-
is only
-
inhibited by
-
the limits
-
of applied
-
science and
-
the moral
-
conventions of
-
society to
-
which we
-
live.
-
we can do
-
a whole lot
-
more if we
-
just cast
-
off the
-
moral issues
-
that come
-
with the
-
fact that
-
we can't
-
reinvent
-
people.
-
So,
-
what would
-
it take to
-
fix the
-
problem?
-
The solution
-
occurs as
-
identifiable
-
physical
-
abnormalities
-
are medically
-
treated.
-
The medical
-
profession with
-
specialized
-
training in
-
psychological
-
disorders,
-
using medical
-
treatments to
-
address
-
biological
-
abnormalities
-
is the
-
changing.
-
you're always
-
looking for
-
what's the
-
presumed
-
change
-
agent.
-
In this
-
case,
-
it's the
-
medical
-
profession.
-
And
-
psychologists
-
and psychiatrists
-
understood in
-
their medical
-
capacity.
-
So,
-
where,
-
take a pause
-
for a second
-
to this,
-
where would
-
you see
-
this in
-
your world?
-
Where do
-
you,
-
what are
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your reference
-
points for
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this?
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This idea
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of,
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physical and
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everything that
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needs to
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change about
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who we are
-
and our
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thinking and
-
feeling and
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behavior and
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condition is
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physiology at
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work.
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The idea
-
that if you're
-
depressed,
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just take
-
medication.
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Yeah,
-
yeah,
-
yeah,
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some medication
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for depression
-
or anything
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really.
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Yeah,
-
yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah,
-
I mean,
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I guess the
-
assumption,
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even in the
-
medical field,
-
that the
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highest goal
-
is to
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alleviate
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pain
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and prolong
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life.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's like a
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
-
Think about
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this.
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Where is the
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mind?
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Where is the
-
mind?
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Where is the
-
mind?
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The brain.
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Is the mind
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the same thing
-
as the brain?
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Well,
-
in this view
-
maybe.
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Is that?
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In this view
-
maybe?
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Yeah.
-
Well,
-
yeah,
-
yeah,
-
yeah.
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It's interesting
-
because according
-
to this view,
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there is no
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soul,
-
there is no
-
personhood
-
separate from
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brain function.
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Your identity
-
is an extension
-
of neurons
-
fire.
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Who you
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are
-
as a person
-
is only
-
physiology.
-
Now,
-
and that
-
one of the
-
challenges
-
with this
-
approach
-
is that
-
we can
-
see how
-
yeah,
-
if you
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can limit
-
it to
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well,
-
there are
-
certain
-
medications
-
that are
-
targeted
-
and we're
-
going to
-
talk about
-
medications
-
later
-
to help
-
people
-
with certain
-
physiological
-
factors,
-
that's
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good,
-
but
-
why
-
stop
-
there?
-
why
-
not
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pharmacologically
-
reorienting
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the brain
-
so that
-
it thinks
-
differently?
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It can
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be done.
-
the point
-
is,
-
when the
-
brain is
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total
-
identity,
-
then
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personhood
-
is lost.
-
Agency
-
is lost.
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And so
-
that's why
-
we have to
-
be very
-
careful
-
when we
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ascribe to
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a medical
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approach,
-
when we
-
ascribe to
-
a physiology,
-
biology,
-
the
-
underlying
-
philosophy
-
behind that
-
is that
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you're no
-
different
-
than a
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lower level
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animal,
-
except for
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brain capacity
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is great.
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And that's
-
profoundly
-
affecting
-
in the way
-
you think
-
about who
-
you are as
-
a person
-
and what
-
you need
-
as a
-
person.
-
So keep
-
that in
-
mind,
-
because it
-
should cause
-
us to
-
pause a
-
little bit
-
when we
-
think about,
-
well,
-
clearly there's
-
something wrong
-
in their
-
brain.
-
What are
-
we really
-
saying in
-
that?
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We're
-
identifying
-
everything
-
with physiology.
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And if we're
-
going to help
-
people, if we're
-
going to
-
understand
-
ourselves,
-
we have to
-
deal with
-
the philosophical
-
question,
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am I more
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than my
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brain?
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or am I
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only my
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brain?
-
So that's
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psychobiology.
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Second one,
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psychodynamic
-
field.
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Psychodynamic
-
field,
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in the
-
psychodynamic
-
field,
-
all problems
-
are within
-
us and
-
all solutions
-
are outside
-
of us.
-
And so in
-
the biology
-
realm,
-
we are the
-
problem.
-
Our
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physicality is
-
the problem,
-
the limits
-
of our
-
physicality.
-
In
-
psychodynamic
-
field,
-
all problems
-
are within
-
us and
-
all solutions
-
are outside
-
of us.
-
Sigmund
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Freud developed
-
concepts that
-
undergird all
-
theories of
-
the psychodynamic
-
field.
-
Freud was a
-
physician who
-
received training
-
in neurology and
-
developed an
-
inherent interest
-
in treating
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patients,
-
suffering from
-
what he
-
called
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hysterical
-
conditions.
-
Freudian
-
psychology took
-
hold in
-
Europe at
-
the end
-
of the
-
19th
-
century but
-
swept in
-
the U.S.
-
among the
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cultural and
-
academic
-
needs when
-
Freud embarked
-
on a lecture
-
tour of the
-
states in
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1909.
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His
-
successors,
-
while staying
-
within the
-
basic
-
tenets of
-
his
-
psychodynamic
-
model,
-
differed
-
sharply and
-
reacted against
-
one at some
-
points.
-
Jung and
-
others would
-
differ with
-
Freud as
-
significant
-
points.
-
But the
-
underlying
-
basis of
-
understanding
-
of who
-
we are
-
remains
-
Freudian.
-
And we'll
-
get to what
-
it means in
-
a second.
-
Viktor
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Frankl,
-
for example,
-
his experience
-
as a prisoner
-
in Auschwitz
-
undermined
-
his Freudian
-
training.
-
Freud had
-
no place
-
for any
-
kind of
-
transcendence.
-
And so
-
Frankl
-
developed his
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treatment theories
-
around the
-
idea that
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psychological
-
health required
-
finding meaning
-
in life to
-
stave off the
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three universal
-
tragedies of
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pain, guilt,
-
and death.
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It's still
-
psychodynamic
-
because it
-
treats personhood
-
as fundamentally
-
disordered and
-
need a specialized
-
help to
-
reverse that
-
state.
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Classic
-
psychotherapy,
-
by which we
-
mean Freudian
-
psychotherapy,
-
is primarily
-
occurring in
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the academic
-
settings and
-
among the
-
wealthy who
-
can afford an
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open-ended
-
and intensive
-
approach to
-
counseling.
-
Most people
-
are not going
-
to get
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Freudian
-
psychotherapy
-
because it's
-
presumed that
-
you are in
-
therapy your
-
whole life,
-
that therapy is
-
part of a
-
management of
-
your life,
-
and you're
-
constantly
-
working through
-
the inner
-
things to
-
get to the
-
outer things.
-
So who are
-
we?
-
And this is
-
going to sound
-
complicated,
-
and that's
-
part of the
-
problem with
-
it.
-
Who are we?
-
Fundamental
-
reality is
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conscious and
-
unconscious
-
existence in
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the natural
-
world.
-
To be human
-
is to be
-
subject to
-
psychic drives
-
that are
-
shaped by
-
early life
-
experience,
-
and which
-
define how
-
we live,
-
think,
-
and emote
-
through the
-
entirety of
-
life experience.
-
All human
-
experience can
-
be linked to
-
deep-seated
-
desires and
-
fears that
-
lodge in
-
unconscious or
-
subconscious areas
-
of our minds.
-
Freud identified
-
these areas as
-
the id, the
-
ego, and the
-
superego, terms
-
he coined.
-
While biology is
-
assumed in his
-
understanding,
-
these are not
-
biological categories,
-
but they're
-
abstractions in
-
the mind.
-
Again, they're
-
not brain,
-
they're mind.
-
Freud thought in
-
mind terms,
-
not brain terms.
-
To Freud, all
-
human orientation
-
can be linked to
-
sexual desire and
-
nor fear of
-
death.
-
Religious
-
thought is a
-
pathological
-
attempt to
-
find meaning
-
in a hostile
-
and godless
-
cosmos.
-
I read a
-
book on
-
cultural history
-
of classical
-
music, and
-
Jim Swofford,
-
the author,
-
said this.
-
He describes
-
Freud's
-
anthropology as
-
an image of
-
the mind as
-
a fragile
-
crust over
-
an unconscious
-
tide of
-
urges,
-
violence,
-
sexuality,
-
and pain.
-
Freud on
-
religion.
-
Religion is
-
a system of
-
wishful illusions
-
together with
-
a disavowal of
-
reality, such as
-
we find nowhere
-
else but in a
-
state of blissful,
-
hallucinatory
-
confusion.
-
Devout believers
-
are safely guarded
-
in a high degree
-
against the risk
-
of certain
-
neurotic tendencies.
-
Their acceptance
-
of the universal
-
neuroses
-
spares them
-
from the task
-
of constructing
-
a personal
-
one.
-
So it's
-
avoidance.
-
Religion is
-
avoidance of
-
neuroses.
-
So that's what
-
we are.
-
We are
-
messed up.
-
Our problems
-
is internal
-
turmoil that's
-
beyond our
-
ability to
-
control or
-
being recognized.
-
In Freudian
-
terms, it is
-
repression of our
-
unconscious and
-
subconscious states
-
which control our
-
instincts and
-
responses to life.
-
This repression
-
has a pathological
-
effect on our
-
psychic health and
-
ability to function
-
in the world around
-
us.
-
So if you're
-
hearing this and
-
you're saying,
-
okay, some of
-
it's familiar, but
-
some of it just
-
seems very esoteric.
-
That's Freud.
-
Freud is
-
esoteric.
-
Freud, everything
-
that Freud says,
-
he creates out of
-
his own thinking.
-
The problem with
-
Freud, frankly, is
-
he would probably
-
have lost his
-
license in
-
detail.
-
Because he
-
basically built
-
everything of his
-
theories on one
-
person and
-
himself.
-
He had one
-
primary patient
-
and then he
-
analyzed himself.
-
And all his
-
theories are based
-
on that.
-
methodologies were
-
dubious at best.
-
So what should be
-
right with us?
-
The potential
-
outcome of
-
change is deeper
-
insight and a
-
continuing management
-
of adverse psychic
-
forces with gradual
-
mastery over them.
-
Therapy is
-
traditionally
-
understood as a
-
lifelong pursuit,
-
if not a necessity.
-
back in the
-
60s and 70s,
-
there were a
-
slew of movies
-
when psychotherapy
-
was really at a
-
peak, where in
-
all the movies,
-
the main
-
characters,
-
there was always
-
a psychotherapist
-
somewhere in there.
-
They were just
-
always going to
-
therapy.
-
And the whole
-
idea of talking
-
through problems
-
is a Freudian
-
concept.
-
That's where that
-
idea comes from.
-
The couch, all
-
those kind of
-
things, that's
-
all Freudian.
-
So what does it
-
take to fix the
-
problem?
-
This is where it
-
gets really
-
murky.
-
We change by
-
bringing the
-
subconscious to
-
the surface,
-
thereby resolving
-
inner conflict and
-
neuroses, and
-
eliminating
-
pathological
-
reactions to our
-
psychic disorder.
-
And the type of
-
things we do is
-
repression,
-
projection, and
-
denial.
-
So those are
-
pathological things.
-
So you hear the
-
word repression,
-
they're repressing
-
that, or they're
-
in denial, or
-
they're projecting
-
that onto somebody
-
using Freudian
-
language.
-
You're just
-
predicting that
-
only.
-
That's Freudian
-
language.
-
The change agent
-
is an expert
-
therapist, a
-
person who is
-
trained to guide
-
us into change
-
through talk and
-
evaluation of
-
thinking and
-
feeling.
-
For example,
-
the psychotherapist
-
who uses the
-
process of
-
psychoanalysis to
-
work out the
-
inner turmoil of
-
our conscious or
-
subconscious desire.
-
So I bring all
-
this up because
-
classic Freudianism
-
is largely
-
debunked now as
-
a school.
-
There are still
-
people who are
-
Freudians, but
-
more often they're
-
using the second
-
and third generation
-
of Freudians to
-
build on, not
-
Freud himself.
-
But Freud is the
-
fountaine of all
-
this and you have
-
to deal with
-
him.
-
What do you get
-
that seems
-
familiar to you
-
from this?
-
Where would you
-
see evidence of
-
psychoanalytic
-
thinking in your
-
world?
-
I think a
-
tendency to
-
attribute a lot
-
of problems to
-
early childhood
-
development.
-
Yeah.
-
Yeah.
-
Yeah.
-
Increasingly, one
-
of the challenges
-
with trauma, which
-
we'll talk about
-
later, is
-
ruining trauma
-
back even to
-
the womb.
-
Wow.
-
So people can
-
have trauma
-
responses to
-
what happened
-
in the womb.
-
In utero
-
trauma, they
-
call it.
-
that's very
-
Freudian.
-
Very current, but
-
it's very Freudian.
-
What else?
-
There's one
-
staring us in the
-
face.
-
What?
-
How do I,
-
what is the
-
change agent?
-
Therapist.
-
Yeah.
-
Expertise.
-
Expertise.
-
I need an
-
expert.
-
I need somebody
-
who's trained.
-
What is that
-
person supposed
-
to do?
-
What is the
-
trained person
-
supposed to do?
-
They're supposed
-
to help me figure
-
out what's going
-
on inside me
-
and talk it
-
out and
-
resolve the
-
inner struggle
-
that I'm
-
dealing with.
-
Talk therapy
-
traces to
-
Freud.
-
Paul Tripp.
-
Have you ever
-
read Paul Tripp?
-
Paul Tripp, I
-
was in a small
-
group with him
-
one time when
-
we were just
-
talking about
-
this stuff and
-
he said,
-
you will never
-
find talking
-
out your
-
problems as a
-
remedy in the
-
Bible.
-
people.
-
But yet here I
-
am, I do it
-
all the time.
-
It is an
-
assumption of
-
Western American,
-
Western culture,
-
but particularly
-
American culture,
-
where we have the
-
wherewithal to find
-
people to talk
-
with.
-
Where the way you
-
resolve problems is
-
talking to people.
-
Vocalizing.
-
I don't know
-
any other
-
culture where
-
people talk
-
out their
-
problems.
-
They may
-
go to
-
somebody for
-
wisdom.
-
In many
-
cultures they
-
actually consider
-
pathology that
-
they don't talk
-
about their
-
problems.
-
It's interesting
-
to be in
-
Ethiopia, among
-
Ethiopians, they
-
say no, people
-
don't talk about
-
their problems.
-
Now, it doesn't
-
mean they handle
-
them well.
-
When people have
-
problems, they
-
usually disappear
-
working on their
-
problems and then
-
reappear in that
-
culture.
-
that's not
-
exactly healthy.
-
But the idea
-
that I need to
-
talk about my
-
problems is just
-
a foreign concept
-
in most of the
-
world.
-
But it's the only
-
way we know how
-
to do it in this
-
world.
-
So that's
-
Freudianism
-
played out.
-
Now, it
-
develops in this
-
third one, as
-
we'll see.
-
But this idea,
-
when you're
-
thinking about
-
where do you
-
see Freudianism,
-
it's this,
-
rather than
-
everything located
-
in the brain
-
and you've
-
got to medicate
-
the brain,
-
no, it's all
-
churning somewhere
-
in me.
-
And I've got to
-
get it out and
-
talk it out.
-
I have to have a
-
cathartic experience.
-
I have to have a
-
breakthrough.
-
The whole idea of
-
a counseling
-
breakthrough is
-
Freudian.
-
And I need an
-
expert.
-
Oh, you're not
-
trained?
-
You don't have a
-
degree in this?
-
I'm sorry, you
-
can't help me.
-
Freudianism.
-
That's all
-
Freudian.
-
That comes from
-
Freud.
-
So the third
-
is psychosocial
-
field.
-
In the
-
psychosocial field,
-
the problems are
-
outside of us,
-
but all the
-
solutions are
-
inside of us.
-
So it's
-
exactly the
-
opposite of
-
Freud.
-
Where in
-
Freud, all the
-
problems are
-
inside of us,
-
we need help
-
from outside.
-
In the
-
psychosocial field,
-
all the problems
-
are outside of
-
us, all the
-
solutions lie
-
within us.
-
This is a wide
-
variety of
-
theories that
-
people understood
-
in a relational
-
social context.
-
Each theory is
-
concerned with
-
helping people
-
function well in
-
a context,
-
sometimes a
-
context that's
-
difficult to
-
function well in.
-
Some of the
-
major schools
-
that you would
-
find in this
-
home are what
-
you call
-
behaviorism.
-
You've got
-
three familiar
-
with this,
-
behaviorism.
-
A school that
-
focuses on
-
learning.
-
will learn
-
behavior, so
-
it presumes
-
that our
-
problems are
-
maladaptive
-
behavior to
-
circumstances,
-
and better
-
behavior, and
-
how can I
-
retrain behavior?
-
Cognitive
-
therapy, very
-
popular even to
-
this day,
-
developed out of
-
the behavior
-
of school, but
-
cognitive
-
therapy focuses
-
on thinking
-
patterns as the
-
key to
-
management.
-
In 1970s,
-
these kind of
-
came together,
-
so you'll
-
still have
-
cognitive
-
therapists,
-
you'll still
-
have
-
behaviors,
-
more often
-
you see
-
CBT,
-
cognitive
-
behavioral
-
therapy,
-
which means
-
the goal
-
of that
-
kind of
-
therapy is
-
you're either
-
behaving or
-
thinking or
-
feeling wrongly,
-
and my job
-
as a therapist
-
is to help
-
you think and
-
feel right.
-
And they're
-
better adapt to
-
your circumstances.
-
There's a host
-
of need-based
-
theories.
-
Their genesis is
-
the positive
-
humanist of
-
William James,
-
as we mentioned.
-
The commonality
-
that links them
-
is generally an
-
optimistic view
-
that if some
-
unmet need of a
-
person can be
-
addressed, that a
-
person's inner
-
potential can be
-
reached.
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Maslow's
-
hierarchy of
-
needs, classic.
-
Carl Rogers
-
developed a
-
counseling methodology
-
based on
-
unconditional
-
positive regard
-
and supportive
-
listening as a
-
way to help
-
people achieve
-
self-actualization
-
on their highest
-
potential.
-
So anything
-
that's related
-
to human
-
potential,
-
anything that's
-
related to you
-
can be a
-
better person,
-
anything that's
-
related to be
-
all that you
-
can be,
-
is all based
-
on this idea
-
of it's a
-
psychosocial
-
field.
-
One that's
-
increasingly
-
popular is the
-
idea of my
-
mindfulness.
-
You guys are
-
familiar with
-
mindfulness?
-
Okay.
-
There's no
-
standard definition
-
of mindfulness,
-
but psychology
-
today just gives
-
you a nice
-
little definition
-
of features.
-
Mindfulness is a
-
state of active,
-
open attention
-
on the present.
-
When you're
-
mindful, you
-
observe your
-
thoughts and
-
feelings from a
-
distance without
-
judging them good
-
or bad.
-
Instead of letting
-
your life pass
-
by you,
-
mindfulness means
-
living in the
-
moment and
-
awakening to
-
experience.
-
Is that
-
familiar?
-
Does that
-
seem like the
-
end of every
-
movie that you
-
ever watch or
-
every show that
-
you watch?
-
Is that
-
ultimately,
-
unless somebody
-
gets killed in
-
a shock,
-
somehow people
-
are finding
-
themselves and
-
there coming
-
to a fuller
-
understanding of
-
who they are
-
and now
-
can live a
-
happier life?
-
That's what
-
this is.
-
There are two
-
basic assumptions
-
in this field.
-
The goal is
-
progress through
-
some form of
-
self-effort.
-
So this is not
-
the therapist as
-
one who is
-
pulling out from
-
you based on
-
expertise.
-
The bad stuff
-
so that you
-
can adapt and
-
no longer deal
-
with the bad
-
stuff.
-
This is,
-
you've got a
-
lot of good
-
in you.
-
How can I
-
help the good
-
come out?
-
What can we
-
do to get rid
-
of the bad
-
and help the
-
good?
-
The good is
-
the natural
-
thing.
-
The good is
-
what should
-
flow out of
-
you.
-
The goal is
-
progress through
-
some form of
-
self-effort.
-
I can't do it
-
for you.
-
And so the
-
therapist who's
-
more in the
-
psychosocial field
-
is more of a
-
coach.
-
They're more
-
of somebody who
-
is going to
-
come alongside
-
make sure that
-
you feel good
-
about yourself.
-
Make sure that
-
you feel like
-
you're all you
-
can be.
-
Help you deal
-
with negative
-
thought patterns.
-
Help you embrace
-
positive thought
-
patterns.
-
Those kind of
-
things.
-
So who are we
-
in this world?
-
There's a
-
spirituality that
-
can be inherent
-
in many places.
-
Eventually when
-
you're in the
-
world of this
-
psychosocial,
-
there's some
-
acknowledgement,
-
there's a
-
spiritual dimension.
-
There's something
-
bigger.
-
Because something
-
bigger is almost
-
entirely benevolent
-
and almost
-
entirely for you.
-
It could just
-
simply be the
-
cosmos.
-
I was on a
-
tour one time
-
and the tour
-
guy comes in
-
Italy and kept
-
talking about,
-
let's just thank
-
the cosmos.
-
It's a beautiful
-
view.
-
and I'm like,
-
who,
-
who,
-
who,
-
you know.
-
Or let's just
-
be thankful.
-
Like,
-
if you think
-
about it,
-
what we need
-
in this world
-
is more
-
thankfulness.
-
To who?
-
Thankfulness
-
requires an
-
object.
-
But in this
-
field,
-
thankfulness is
-
its own.
-
Let's just
-
love.
-
Loving
-
self,
-
you've got to
-
love yourself,
-
that's the
-
language of
-
this field.
-
In a
-
fundamental
-
sense,
-
the truth
-
is within
-
each of us.
-
Humanity is
-
a reality
-
of untapped
-
potential
-
toward which
-
each person
-
should strive
-
and which
-
social structures
-
should support.
-
So,
-
our social
-
structures,
-
our laws,
-
everything should
-
support this
-
kind of
-
experiential
-
human flourishing,
-
be all you
-
can be.
-
What's wrong
-
with us?
-
Our greatest
-
problem is the
-
personal,
-
interpersonal,
-
and societal
-
constriction on
-
our ability to
-
achieve our
-
full potential.
-
The goal of
-
full potential
-
was keeping
-
us from
-
that.
-
What should
-
be right
-
with us?
-
The operative
-
historical concept
-
is often called
-
self-actualization,
-
that's Maslow.
-
Living at the
-
fullest possible
-
capacity to
-
which we can
-
strive.
-
This is not
-
about selfishness
-
because in
-
most of these,
-
in the way
-
they're understood,
-
there's a not
-
only living,
-
the more you
-
live good for
-
yourself,
-
the more you
-
live good for
-
other people.
-
The better a
-
person you are,
-
the more you'll
-
be more beneficial
-
to other people.
-
Positive self-esteem
-
and confident
-
self-expression
-
are also
-
worthy goals.
-
what would it
-
take to fix
-
the problem
-
that we have?
-
All of us
-
have the
-
capacity for
-
change through
-
repatterning of
-
thoughts,
-
beliefs,
-
and behaviors,
-
and the
-
removal of
-
negative factors
-
which restrict
-
our potential.
-
So,
-
something like,
-
well,
-
you know what,
-
you're surrounded
-
by toxic people.
-
So,
-
the problem is
-
toxic people
-
that are affecting
-
who you can be.
-
You need to
-
limit,
-
you need to
-
create boundaries
-
to keep
-
yourself from
-
being affected
-
by toxic people.
-
That's all
-
the psychosocial
-
field.
-
You're fine,
-
you've just
-
got to remove
-
the negative
-
factors in
-
your life.
-
We are our
-
own change
-
agents.
-
They require
-
guides or
-
therapists.
-
The goal of
-
any therapy
-
is empowerment
-
to personal
-
change.
-
So,
-
where do you
-
see this
-
around you?
-
If you
-
work at a
-
company,
-
you're going
-
to see it
-
in the
-
human resource
-
department.
-
That's where
-
it's there.
-
Where else
-
do you see it?
-
Just in general,
-
I feel like
-
motivation.
-
Yeah,
-
motivational speaking.
-
Yeah,
-
those kind of
-
things.
-
You are
-
doing great
-
in real
-
time.
-
Yeah,
-
yeah,
-
yeah.
-
my son,
-
he has a
-
company,
-
I still
-
don't understand
-
the model,
-
but it's
-
working for
-
him,
-
but he
-
develops the
-
content for
-
influencers,
-
right?
-
So,
-
an influencer
-
will hire
-
and then
-
he'll develop
-
the content.
-
He'll film
-
them,
-
he'll do
-
these things
-
and he'll
-
talk to
-
videos and
-
that kind
-
of stuff
-
for him.
-
And,
-
and,
-
he would
-
tell you,
-
he said,
-
man,
-
everybody wants
-
to be an
-
influencer.
-
Everybody,
-
everybody wants,
-
they don't have
-
any,
-
they haven't done
-
anything,
-
but they
-
don't want to,
-
but they still
-
want to tell
-
people what to
-
do.
-
Because they're
-
appealing this
-
idea that I
-
can make money
-
by making
-
people feel
-
better about
-
themselves.
-
Or make
-
them feel
-
more productive.
-
And so that's a
-
big part of
-
influencing,
-
is a big part
-
of this world
-
now.
-
What else?
-
this is
-
actually where
-
if you go
-
to a
-
counselor
-
these days,
-
you will
-
probably find
-
this is the
-
dominant
-
orientation
-
they come
-
in with.
-
Because you
-
don't need
-
a PhD
-
to do
-
this.
-
It's good
-
to have
-
training.
-
if you're
-
licensed,
-
that's kind
-
of the
-
most
-
things you
-
need to
-
be licensed,
-
but you
-
don't need
-
to have
-
a PhD.
-
You don't
-
need to
-
understand a
-
lot of the
-
underlying
-
theories.
-
You just
-
have to be
-
good with
-
people,
-
know how to
-
help people,
-
know how to
-
relate to
-
people.
-
That's why
-
many people
-
go to
-
counseling for
-
years,
-
but you
-
don't see a
-
lot of
-
change because
-
the counseling
-
becomes their,
-
it's paid
-
friendship,
-
right?
-
It's the
-
idea that
-
this person
-
helps me feel
-
better about
-
myself.
-
And counseling
-
is how do I
-
help this
-
person feel
-
better about
-
myself.
-
And it'll
-
frustrate some
-
counselors because
-
I feel like I
-
can't, once I
-
begin to press
-
on change,
-
then I didn't
-
know I don't
-
want change,
-
I just want to
-
feel good about
-
myself.
-
I need somebody
-
to hear me,
-
listen to me,
-
and help me to
-
think better about
-
myself.
-
I have a little
-
footnote in here,
-
I'll just share it,
-
but you can read it,
-
but I'll just share it.
-
In this,
-
70s through the
-
90s,
-
self-esteem was
-
the dominant
-
concept in
-
popular psychology.
-
We need self-esteem,
-
kids need self-esteem,
-
we all need
-
self-esteem.
-
I think there
-
were, I think
-
the footnote
-
says there
-
were like 15,000
-
studies done
-
on self-esteem
-
out of which
-
this idea
-
self-esteem
-
is essential
-
to human
-
flourishing.
-
One of the
-
founders of
-
the self-esteem
-
movement,
-
and it got very
-
popular,
-
you couldn't
-
read books
-
that weren't
-
self-esteem
-
books,
-
and maybe you're
-
familiar with it
-
now,
-
maybe you're
-
going to cross
-
it now,
-
but one of the
-
founders began
-
to question some
-
of the tenets of
-
self-esteem.
-
It seemed like it
-
sort of fit everything.
-
He helped develop
-
a macro study,
-
and they looked
-
at these 15,000
-
studies,
-
and out of those
-
15,000 studies,
-
only 200
-
were academically
-
reliable.
-
The rest of them
-
failed on the
-
basis of
-
academic rigor.
-
And of those
-
200 studies
-
that passed
-
showed no
-
distinction
-
between high
-
and low
-
self-esteem
-
in any
-
category
-
performance.
-
And self-esteem
-
actually made
-
no difference
-
what's the
-
factor
-
in how
-
somebody
-
functioned
-
in life.
-
this kind
-
of world
-
is very
-
subject to
-
those kind
-
of fads.
-
You'll see
-
those.
-
What tends
-
to happen,
-
and we'll
-
talk about it
-
later on,
-
is something
-
becomes popular
-
and is
-
popularized in
-
a therapeutic
-
way,
-
and then books
-
get written
-
about it,
-
and those
-
books over
-
promise.
-
So if you
-
look at,
-
if you Google,
-
if you look
-
at books,
-
you'll see
-
things dominate
-
in the
-
therapy world
-
that prove
-
to be
-
ultimately
-
fads.
-
It's great
-
in the
-
history of
-
that.
-
So before
-
we close
-
out this
-
session,
-
just a bit
-
of history,
-
I just want
-
to show
-
you kind
-
of how
-
these,
-
there's not
-
a linear
-
progression
-
in the world
-
of psychology
-
in terms of
-
the different
-
theories and
-
how they
-
function.
-
They really
-
kind of
-
flow with
-
culture.
-
So in
-
the late
-
19th century,
-
psychobiology
-
emerges at
-
the basic
-
of psychology.
-
That's the
-
first,
-
this idea
-
that it's
-
all physicality.
-
Turn of
-
the century,
-
we saw
-
that psychosocial
-
field,
-
Freud,
-
a brief
-
ascendancy
-
connected
-
to modernism.
-
Teddy
-
Roosevelt
-
was the
-
archetype
-
of the
-
human
-
potential
-
movement.
-
There's
-
actually,
-
in Great
-
Britain,
-
the Victorian
-
man was
-
a big thing
-
to this
-
idea that
-
there's a
-
certain way
-
of understanding
-
manhood
-
in the
-
Victorian
-
culture.
-
It was
-
built
-
in this
-
self-promotion
-
model.
-
Roosevelt
-
was the
-
archetype
-
for what
-
happened in
-
America,
-
what people
-
were aspiring
-
to.
-
Early
-
20th century,
-
coming out
-
of World
-
One,
-
American
-
soldiers in
-
particular
-
coming back
-
with what
-
now is
-
classified as
-
PTSD,
-
shell shock,
-
you saw
-
Freudianism
-
really applied
-
to that.
-
Psychoanalysis,
-
30s and
-
40s,
-
psychosocial
-
field reemerges
-
because
-
psychoanalysis
-
just too,
-
it takes too
-
much training
-
to do
-
and it's
-
too expensive.
-
So what
-
does the
-
average person
-
do?
-
Then you
-
get these
-
lower level
-
theories that
-
are more
-
mainstream
-
for people.
-
Biology
-
reemerges
-
in the
-
50s with
-
experimentation
-
and
-
electroshock
-
therapy,
-
drug
-
therapy,
-
and surgical
-
lobotomy.
-
Those are
-
big in the
-
50s,
-
the 60s.
-
It's amazing
-
how many
-
Hollywood stars
-
in the 50s
-
were getting
-
shock therapy
-
because they
-
didn't afford
-
it.
-
Psychoanalysis
-
reemerges
-
because they
-
find ways
-
to do it
-
in a more
-
short-term
-
way and
-
problem-specific.
-
70s to
-
90s
-
psychosocial
-
therapies,
-
CBT,
-
and then
-
pop psychology
-
develops
-
mass
-
self-esteem
-
and self-help
-
therapies.
-
2000 to
-
2020,
-
psychobiology
-
dominates.
-
That's the
-
whole medical
-
field we've
-
talked about.
-
Developing
-
trends,
-
I think that
-
we've seen
-
a generation
-
of mental
-
health issues
-
addressed as
-
biological
-
problems in
-
the medical
-
model,
-
and now
-
it's taking
-
some hits.
-
I think
-
we're moving
-
a bit away
-
from a
-
medical
-
model.
-
Long-term
-
use of
-
psychopharmacology
-
is starting
-
to show
-
limits to
-
effectiveness
-
because it
-
just stops
-
working,
-
and permanent
-
negative side
-
effects in
-
long-term
-
patients.
-
Some basic
-
mental health
-
issues like
-
depression and
-
anxiety are
-
proving to be
-
stubbornly
-
resistant to
-
medical
-
treatments alone.
-
the tendency
-
of drug
-
manufacturers to
-
oversell
-
efficiency is
-
now an
-
established fact,
-
so drug
-
manufacturers way
-
oversell.
-
If you
-
ever see
-
an ad
-
for a
-
drug related
-
to mental
-
health issues,
-
the list of
-
negative side
-
effects is
-
frightening
-
with those
-
drugs.
-
because frankly,
-
most drugs
-
that are
-
marketed for
-
psychopharmacology
-
weren't developed
-
for psychopharmacology.
-
That's a
-
secondary
-
benefit of
-
the drug.
-
another factor
-
with the
-
field is
-
that
-
pharmacology,
-
I mean,
-
it's like
-
you're looking
-
in pharmaceuticals,
-
but you
-
don't tend
-
to develop,
-
put a lot
-
of money
-
into drugs
-
that you
-
can't have
-
confidence
-
that you're
-
going to
-
have a
-
good use
-
in it.
-
It's going
-
to make
-
money.
-
And the
-
reason that
-
psychopharmacology
-
is mostly
-
coming from
-
drugs created
-
for something
-
else is
-
because they're
-
looking for
-
other uses
-
for things
-
and there's
-
some benefit
-
to them
-
because nobody's
-
going to invest
-
a lot of
-
money in a
-
depression drug
-
when they don't
-
know the
-
underlying causes
-
of depression
-
and don't know
-
how to treat
-
it and don't
-
have any
-
consistency.
-
And over and
-
over and over
-
again,
-
with depression
-
drugs in
-
particular,
-
the placebo
-
is as equally
-
effective as
-
the drug.
-
So, and
-
then studies
-
are showing
-
that the
-
personal choice
-
and lifestyle
-
decisions of
-
people can
-
mute or even
-
undermine the
-
effectiveness of
-
medication alone.
-
You may have
-
seen this on
-
universities where
-
the amount of
-
Ritalin people
-
are taking.
-
Do they eat
-
Ritalin?
-
No.
-
They have a
-
lifestyle that
-
they want to
-
undergird with
-
Ritalin.
-
That's what's
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tending to
-
happen with
-
medications.
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They're not
-
being, they're
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being used and
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then lifestyle.
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So you have
-
Ritalin and you
-
have drinking.
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You have
-
depression
-
medication and
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you have drugs.
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And so, so
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it's very
-
difficult to
-
know what the
-
underlying
-
problems are.
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So, I just
-
don't think
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you're going to
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see medication.
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There's not
-
going to be
-
anything driving
-
medication as
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a universal
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cure.
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After the
-
pandemic,
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one of
-
things interesting
-
and we'll
-
talk a little
-
about popular
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language of
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social identity
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and politics
-
these days,
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trauma,
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oppression,
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empowerment,
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diversity,
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equity,
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inclusion,
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validation,
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self-care,
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et cetera,
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has been
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grafted whole
-
cloth into
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the mental
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health world.
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This is
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really more
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needs-based
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psychosocial
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model.
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In other
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words,
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what's
-
happening,
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one of
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the things
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you're seeing
-
now is
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that I
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have these
-
struggles,
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not because
-
of a personal
-
experience,
-
but because
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of a class
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experience.
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Because this
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is who I
-
am connected
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to,
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this is who
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I'm
-
identified
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with,
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and I'm
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sharing that
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experience.
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It doesn't
-
mean that
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there isn't
-
something valid
-
to that,
-
but then you
-
take these
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terms,
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which we'll
-
talk about
-
later,
-
and you
-
apply them
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to what
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is a
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class
-
experience,
-
regardless of
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my personal
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experience,
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and you
-
claim
-
victimhood in
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that
-
experience,
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and now
-
you have a
-
need for
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certain things
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to resolve
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that.
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That's what's
-
happening now.
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It's a
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psychosocial
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reaction that
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really began
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post-pandemic.
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two points,
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and we'll
-
take any
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questions you
-
guys have.
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Key point
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number one,
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most therapists
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do not
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ascribe to a
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school of
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psychology.
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I just gave
-
you three,
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they don't
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ascribe to
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them.
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They are
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practitioners
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in the
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field of
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mental health
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and emotional
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health,
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and they
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will use
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whatever
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therapeutic
-
approach they
-
feel will
-
work.
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They will
-
not reference
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these schools,
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not if they're
-
not familiar
-
with them,
-
not if they
-
haven't encountered
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them in school,
-
but they don't
-
come out married
-
to a particular
-
field.
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The fact
-
that the
-
tenets
-
underlying
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these,
-
which is what
-
we're talking
-
about today,
-
are very
-
contradictory,
-
means that
-
it's very
-
difficult to
-
coherently
-
connect these
-
theories into
-
coherent
-
therapy,
-
but people
-
attempt to
-
do it,
-
and what you
-
wind up with
-
is sort of a
-
mishmash of
-
self-understandings
-
that people
-
have.
-
It can be
-
very confusing
-
for people
-
because the
-
messaging is
-
very different,
-
even from
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session to
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session.
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Number two,
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we must,
-
and the reason
-
we're talking
-
about it,
-
we need to
-
be able to
-
interact with
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the world and
-
practice of
-
psychology without
-
integrating the
-
worldview and
-
practice of
-
psychology.
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We need
-
theological
-
discernment.
-
The reason
-
we're talking
-
about this
-
today,
-
and the
-
reason I
-
care so
-
much about
-
people,
-
even if
-
they're thinking
-
I'm not going
-
to go into
-
counseling,
-
is because
-
this is the
-
world you
-
minister in,
-
this is the
-
world you
-
live in.
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Do you
-
understand,
-
has this
-
affected your
-
understanding of
-
yourself and
-
your problems?
-
Do you need
-
to take a second
-
and look and
-
say,
-
where did I
-
get that
-
from?
-
This
-
understanding
-
of myself,
-
do I know
-
that it's
-
come from
-
somewhere?
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It fits,
-
it feels
-
right,
-
different.
-
But is it
-
coherent?
-
Is it really
-
what I need
-
to understand?
-
Is it
-
conflicting
-
with what I
-
really believe?
-
I see so
-
many Christians
-
who live in
-
this perpetual
-
struggle between
-
what they feel
-
about themselves
-
and what they
-
say they
-
believe.
-
Because what
-
they feel
-
about themselves
-
is diametrically
-
opposed to
-
what they say
-
they believe
-
and they
-
don't know.
-
And so if
-
we're ministering
-
to people,
-
this is the
-
focus of
-
the next
-
two sessions,
-
we're going
-
to have to
-
understand that
-
people live
-
in this tension
-
between what
-
the world tells
-
them about
-
themselves,
-
what they
-
provide,
-
their self
-
understanding,
-
even the
-
language that
-
they use
-
to self
-
describe.
-
So the
-
Bible,
-
God's word
-
and the gospel
-
don't hit
-
opposition
-
through
-
ignorance.
-
So that's
-
it.
-
If you take
-
a break,
-
any questions?
-
about that.
-
We're going
-
to get a
-
little more
-
street level
-
in the office.
-
I have a
-
question.
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Do you think
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it's wrong
-
for a Christian
-
to study
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psychology
-
with the
-
purpose of
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becoming a
-
psychologist?
-
No.
-
No,
-
I don't.
-
I think
-
a Christian
-
needs,
-
I'm dealing,
-
I'm meeting
-
with a guy
-
right now
-
who's doing
-
that.
-
I think
-
a Christian
-
needs to be
-
well,
-
he needs
-
to be
-
theologically
-
grounded
-
or she
-
needs to be
-
theologically
-
grounded
-
so that
-
they understand
-
how to
-
interpret it.
-
Now to do
-
a psychology
-
degree,
-
it's been
-
in a
-
secondary
-
environment,
-
you're going
-
to have
-
to be
-
able to
-
use the
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language
-
that is
-
used
-
and
-
demonstrate
-
competency
-
over the
-
concepts
-
that are
-
there.
-
can you
-
do that
-
without
-
drawing
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them
-
into
-
your
-
life?
-
Can you
-
do that
-
without
-
so I
-
think
-
we're
-
I would
-
say
-
yeah,
-
but you
-
really
-
need
-
alongside
-
this is
-
what we're
-
talking about
-
to see
-
other guys
-
doing this,
-
you can't
-
stop
-
studying
-
theology
-
to study
-
psychology
-
because it
-
will influence
-
you because
-
you'll have to
-
live in that
-
world.
-
And the
-
problem with
-
vocabulary is
-
vocabulary is
-
very identity
-
shaped.
-
So if I'm
-
living in a
-
world where
-
all the
-
vocabulary
-
goes this
-
way,
-
I'm going to
-
start using
-
that vocabulary
-
to describe
-
myself in
-
my world.
-
And if I'm
-
with people
-
who are
-
totally
-
imbibing,
-
the reason I
-
think you
-
can do it
-
is the
-
higher level
-
you go,
-
the more
-
challenging
-
it is because
-
if you're
-
trying to
-
get a PhD
-
then you're
-
going to
-
have to
-
defend a
-
paper.
-
You're
-
going to
-
have to
-
defend a
-
dissertation.
-
You better
-
be really
-
good at
-
what you
-
do because
-
you're not
-
going to
-
be conviction
-
driven by.
-
Most people
-
who do
-
dissertations,
-
they select
-
a topic but
-
they have
-
some sense
-
of vested
-
interest in
-
that topic.
-
Can you
-
find a
-
topic that
-
is acceptable
-
in an
-
academic setting
-
that you
-
may or may
-
not have
-
a commitment
-
to?
-
Some people
-
do.
-
But you
-
have to
-
really,
-
and you're
-
going to
-
be in a
-
world where
-
like any
-
world these
-
days,
-
it's going
-
to be,
-
you're going
-
to find,
-
it's going
-
to be an
-
assaulting
-
world.
-
So I
-
think you
-
can,
-
I think
-
if you're
-
going to
-
be a
-
licensed
-
counselor,
-
you're
-
licensed
-
therapist,
-
I think
-
you can
-
do that
-
as a
-
Christian.
-
Again,
-
you're going
-
to have
-
challenges
-
with
-
licensure
-
and what
-
you need
-
to be able
-
to be okay
-
with,
-
what you
-
can talk
-
about,
-
what you
-
can't
-
talk about,
-
how do
-
you do.
-
And most
-
Christians I
-
know who
-
are therapists,
-
they find the
-
biggest limit
-
is I know
-
what they
-
really need,
-
but unless
-
they ask me,
-
I can't
-
tell them.
-
You know,
-
my license
-
doesn't want
-
me to impose
-
that for me.
-
So those
-
are the
-
challenges,
-
but those
-
are challenges
-
you're going
-
to face in
-
the legal
-
world if you
-
go for a
-
law group.
-
Same kind
-
of thing.
-
Just curious
-
to hear your
-
opinion,
-
and maybe
-
this ties
-
more with
-
application,
-
the later
-
parts,
-
I've
-
noticed a
-
tendency
-
growing up
-
that in
-
the church
-
setting,
-
like when
-
I was
-
growing up,
-
I felt
-
that if
-
someone had
-
a problem
-
in church,
-
they would
-
consult their
-
pastors first.
-
Sure.
-
But now
-
there's this
-
change where
-
when people
-
have problems,
-
they go to
-
their counselor
-
first.
-
Yeah.
-
And what
-
is your
-
personal
-
perspective on
-
this dynamic,
-
this shift?
-
Well, it's
-
interesting.
-
I'm going to
-
take your
-
exact language.
-
They go to
-
their counselor
-
first.
-
The question
-
is, when
-
did they get
-
the counselor
-
and what's
-
the counselor
-
doing?
-
Yeah.
-
Right?
-
Is the
-
counselor
-
essentially
-
that guy
-
for me?
-
So,
-
I talk
-
with a lot
-
of secular
-
counselors
-
and therapists
-
and they
-
will tell you
-
one of the
-
frustrating
-
things about
-
their job
-
is how
-
people get
-
cured
-
from whatever
-
the problem
-
is as soon
-
as insurance
-
runs out.
-
Right?
-
So, as long
-
as insurance
-
is paying for
-
something,
-
I need you.
-
Once I have
-
to pay for
-
it out of
-
pocket,
-
I think I'm
-
okay.
-
So, if someone
-
has an ongoing
-
counselor,
-
the question is
-
what is that
-
person functioning
-
in.
-
It could be
-
beneficial,
-
it could be,
-
so I'm not
-
saying it
-
isn't.
-
So, I don't
-
like to pitch
-
pastor against
-
counselor.
-
I think there's
-
roles that can
-
be played,
-
but I wouldn't
-
want you to
-
go to pastor
-
as if they're
-
a therapist
-
either.
-
That's not
-
their role.
-
And I wouldn't
-
want you to go
-
to therapists
-
as if they're
-
the pastor.
-
I think they
-
both can have
-
a role,
-
but I think
-
understanding what
-
role you're
-
asking them to
-
play is good.
-
One of my
-
problems that I
-
face is when
-
someone is
-
going to a
-
counselor on
-
a regular
-
basis and
-
they want to
-
talk to me,
-
I have to
-
sort of say,
-
we need to
-
decide who's
-
taking a
-
lead on this.
-
Because if you
-
really feel like
-
your counselor's
-
most helpful,
-
I don't want to
-
say things that
-
complicate,
-
but what would
-
really be helpful
-
is I understood
-
it, let's all
-
work together.
-
you know,
-
when something
-
lists, you
-
know, and
-
they can sign
-
a release and
-
the counselor
-
can talk to
-
me, I'm
-
really working
-
with them on
-
this, right,
-
that's good to
-
know.
-
The counselor
-
may say,
-
listen, can
-
you cover this?
-
They seem to have
-
problems in relation
-
in the church.
-
Can you help
-
them think through
-
that?
-
And you can
-
actually work
-
collegially together.
-
I don't like
-
when people,
-
if someone just
-
kind of goes to
-
the counselor
-
or pastor,
-
they tend to
-
find the one
-
that says what
-
they want them
-
to say.
-
And that's
-
not going to
-
be helpful
-
for people.
-
So I think
-
you can do
-
it, but you
-
have to be
-
careful not
-
just kind of
-
who's going
-
to say
-
what I want.
-
And so
-
it's really
-
helpful to
-
have those
-
three categories
-
and then just
-
go through that
-
in terms of
-
the historical
-
development.
-
But I'm also
-
just noticing
-
there are
-
partial truths
-
in them,
-
which is what
-
makes it
-
difficult to
-
discern.
-
Like in the
-
whole psycho,
-
I guess,
-
biology field,
-
we are
-
integrated
-
dualities,
-
right?
-
There are
-
bodies and
-
souls together.
-
So our
-
bodies do
-
matter.
-
And then
-
there's
-
in the
-
whole
-
psychosocial
-
aspect of it,
-
we are called
-
to speak the
-
truth and love
-
to each other.
-
We are called
-
to speak to
-
our souls,
-
address our
-
souls.
-
And what
-
we do
-
does matter.
-
It does,
-
yeah.
-
It's just
-
that there's,
-
but then
-
it just takes
-
it too far
-
or it doesn't
-
go far enough.
-
It's like
-
there's all
-
these things
-
that
-
controvert
-
the biblical
-
truth because
-
of the
-
direction it
-
goes.
-
So do
-
you have
-
any suggestions
-
for,
-
because for
-
someone who's
-
not delving
-
deeply into
-
seeing the
-
primal goo
-
that you're
-
coming in,
-
how can
-
they grow
-
in discernment
-
at the
-
street level?
-
Are there
-
resources for
-
like,
-
here's like
-
the typical
-
vocabulary,
-
and how
-
that's actually
-
shaping the
-
way we think
-
and shaping
-
our identities.
-
Here's how
-
you should be
-
processing the
-
book.
-
Is there
-
anything like
-
that?
-
Well,
-
Truman's
-
book,
-
and he
-
actually
-
published
-
a version
-
that's more
-
of a reader
-
friendly version,
-
is a great
-
book to
-
understand
-
this because
-
he gets
-
underneath
-
that.
-
He's
-
particularly
-
talking
-
about
-
gender
-
and
-
sexuality.
-
It applies
-
to this
-
as well.
-
Part of
-
the reason,
-
and we'll
-
get to
-
this in
-
the next
-
session,
-
these are
-
all reflective,
-
kind of like
-
art is
-
reflective of
-
human experience
-
in various
-
ways.
-
And in
-
any kind
-
of human
-
art creation,
-
even if it
-
doesn't appeal
-
to the eyes,
-
speaking to
-
something of
-
common human
-
experience.
-
So we
-
should expect
-
all of
-
these to
-
in some
-
sense come
-
from that.
-
I think
-
the key
-
is where
-
is God?
-
If God
-
is absent
-
or if God
-
is a
-
problem or
-
if God
-
is a
-
pathology,
-
then you've
-
got real
-
problems trying
-
to take it.
-
the problem
-
with what
-
they call
-
integration
-
is integration
-
tends to
-
want to say,
-
well, here's
-
what we
-
believe as
-
Christians.
-
There's
-
some good
-
things in
-
psychology.
-
Let's bring
-
them in.
-
But who
-
selects what's
-
good and
-
what's not
-
good?
-
What's the
-
criteria for
-
that?
-
And to
-
what extent
-
do you bring
-
it in?
-
And to
-
what extent
-
do you bring
-
the language
-
in with it?
-
So you
-
start using
-
unbiblical
-
or non-biblical
-
language to
-
address human
-
problems.
-
I'm not a
-
big fan of
-
oh, that's
-
an unbiblical
-
language.
-
I don't like
-
throwing flags.
-
We'll talk
-
about how I
-
would tend
-
to do it.
-
But we
-
have to be
-
careful because
-
there's an
-
underlying
-
theology.
-
If I
-
use it,
-
it's the same
-
with capitalism.
-
People would
-
say capitalism
-
is the
-
most consistently
-
understandable
-
from a
-
biblical
-
worldview.
-
Free
-
enterprise.
-
People say
-
that.
-
Good point.
-
But what's
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capitalism
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really doing?
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It's a
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Bible
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fittest.
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And so
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we have to
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be careful
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with any
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of these
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systems or
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structures
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created outside
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the Bible
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trying to
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fit it into
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our biblical
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worldview to
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create a
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synthesis.
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We want to
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make sure
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we stay
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biblical so
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we can relate
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to these
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things accurately.
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But here's
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the other
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one.
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All these
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things,
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who are we?
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That's not
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there.
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What's our
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problem?
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Totally
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different.
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What should
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we be?
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None of
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these things
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have room
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for eternity.
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All problems
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deal with,
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they must be
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dealt with
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before death.
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The nature
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of suffering,
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suffering in
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all these,
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has no
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eternity.
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Suffering has
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no value
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in all
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of these.
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In many
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eastern
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cultures,
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suffering has
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tremendous value.
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In Hinduism,
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suffering has
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tremendous value.
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In western
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culture,
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suffering has
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no value
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at all.
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But why?
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Because we
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can find ways
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to minimize it.
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suffering.
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So we
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have no cultural
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understanding of
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the value of
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suffering.
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But all of
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these are
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saying that's
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the way it
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should be.
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You should
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not suffer.
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Suffering in
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itself is
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pathological.
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So we
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have to be
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careful what
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we do because
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there's underlying
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assumptions about
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who we are,
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what's wrong
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with us,
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what should be
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right with us,
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how we get
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there,
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that we're
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trying to be
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right.
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Okay.