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Session 1: Biblical Anthropology in a Psychologized Culture

Trinity Cambridge Church

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  1. When we're talking about counseling, we're going to do it a little bit different way. We're going to talk about what it means to counsel in the psychologized world.

  2. ! And the reason I think this is important is because we live in a culture in the United States that is, though we're Christians and we actually have a culture.

  3. It is counter to something. Everywhere where the gospel brings life, it creates a counterculture. It creates a culture within another culture.

  4. And so for us to be able to minister in this culture, both to one another and ultimately to other people, we need to understand how our culture, how we as enculturated Christians, interact with a larger culture.

  5. And so this is going to be a chance to kind of talk through what does it mean to counsel and minister to folks in a culture that is psychologized.

  6. There's going to be critique here. And so if you have a psychology background, there will be critique.

  7. My goal here, though, is not to just simply come in and critique psychology. I want to do something more.

  8. I want to talk about the world we live in and what the worldview is and how we're embedded in it and then how both ourselves and others are shaped by that world and how we think, how we process, how we understand ourselves.

  9. And where if we're trying to counsel people from God's word, how we need to engage.

  10. And so this is going to be a lot of material about understanding the psychologized world.

  11. But also, I want you to help me to know how it would apply to your circumstances, how the people you relate to in the church, outside the church, how you might share the gospel, how you might relate to family, friends.

  12. And so the goal is to just kind of give you a way of thinking about this so that when you counsel, you're counseling thoughtfully into the world you're speaking.

  13. My concern is when we talk about biblical counseling, a lot of times what we end up with is people taking Bible verses and just kind of throwing them into somebody's life, decontextualized.

  14. Or if they're not doing that, they're unaware of how much they're affected by the culture and they screen out biblical truth and replace it with quasi-Christian thinking that is as much about psychology as it is about the Bible.

  15. But neither of those is helpful for the purpose of ministry because the one, the just dropping Bible verses and Bible concepts into people's lives, decontextualized, leads people to understand, well, how does this really apply to my life?

  16. What does it really mean?

  17. And to do the other means we're giving people a false sense of what Jesus came in to do and how he changed his lives.

  18. And so this is going to be a lecture kind of process, but I'm going to pause and interact with you over things that you're thinking about as you're ministering to people.

  19. So what I want you to do is as we're talking to just simply think through situations you're ministering in.

  20. Again, it might be people, friends in the church.

  21. If you want to talk about situations you're in that involve people in the church, just be discreet.

  22. You know, we don't want to be like, oh, that guy over there.

  23. This is a problem I have with him.

  24. Be discreet.

  25. But there may be, again, family members.

  26. A lot of times I'll find that people are trying to know how to relate what God is doing in their lives, how to minister to family members or friends, coworkers, different ways where you're trying to just interact and relate.

  27. And so I hope what this does is gives you a better framework for understanding your mission in a psychologized culture.

  28. In his book, we're going to do three things.

  29. The first section is going to be on biblical anthropology.

  30. How do we understand ourselves and how anthropology functions in a psychologized world?

  31. So that's going to be our first session.

  32. The second session is going to be actually dealing with how do we understand the mental health world?

  33. And by mental health world, I mean the entire set of systems that are set up to diagnose and care for people who are struggling with problems that are often called mental health problems.

  34. And so we're going to look at that.

  35. And the goal of that is to help understand what's actually being done when you're talking about a diagnosis.

  36. What exactly is, what is going on with medication?

  37. We're not going to go deep into it, but I want to give you a framework to understand what's happening when we hear all these diagnostic terms and words and labels and what they mean and what they don't mean.

  38. Where they're beneficial, where they might be deficient.

  39. And then the third session is going to be how do you minister to somebody who's kind of just lived and grown up in and imbibe a therapeutic view of themselves?

  40. And I don't mean therapeutic negatively.

  41. I simply mean somebody where they just don't question some of the assumptions that we have in this culture about the way we understand ourselves and our problems.

  42. That's what we're getting at.

  43. We all know there are problems.

  44. We all have problems.

  45. We all struggle in various ways.

  46. How do we understand those struggles?

  47. How do we know how to relate to those struggles?

  48. How does the Bible speak to us about those struggles?

  49. How does the world tell us how to deal with those struggles?

  50. And where do we need to find a way to interject biblical truth into a world that doesn't think biblically?

  51. So that's the goal.

  52. I'm going to pray and then we're going to jump right in.

  53. Heavenly Father, I do pray this morning for those who are here, Lord, that this investment of their time would be meaningful and helpful.

  54. It would serve them both in their thinking and also practically in ministry situations that they find themselves in right now.

  55. Lord, guide us, God, as we talk.

  56. Help us to turn this into a collaborative effort, O Lord Jesus.

  57. And Spirit of God, just come and speak.

  58. We're not going to be in the scriptures heavily today.

  59. But I do pray that you would speak through what we're doing.

  60. In Jesus' name.

  61. Amen.

  62. In his book, The Rise of the Modern Self, Carl Truman is the author.

  63. He channels concepts of philosopher Charles Taylor described contemporary Western self-identity.

  64. Taylor talks about culture as a social imaginary.

  65. A collective sense of identity that each culture accepts and lives comfortably within.

  66. Social imaginary is simply the embedded assumptions about life that are found in each culture.

  67. And every culture and subculture has those, just givens.

  68. The social imaginary is the givens.

  69. We just all know this.

  70. We all assume this.

  71. And Carl Truman summarizes that the social imaginary is the way people think about the world, how they imagine it to be, how they act intuitively in relation to it.

  72. That is emphatically not to make the social imaginary simply into a set of identifiable ideas.

  73. It is the totality of the way we look at our world to make sense of it and to make sense of our behavior within it.

  74. That's what we're talking about.

  75. How we understand the world.

  76. I was just talking to, what's your name again?

  77. Elena.

  78. Elena.

  79. So Elena, who grew up down in Atlanta, like I did.

  80. And the differences in culture between the deep south and up here in New England, they're subtle in terms of a global perspective.

  81. But growing up in the south, the first thing I noticed when I came up north was nobody talked about the Civil War.

  82. Like down south, the Civil War was still a big thing because the war shaped everything about the culture.

  83. I came up here and the Civil War was irrelevant.

  84. And so there was a social imaginary in the deep south about being a defeated, we were the only people in this country who had a sense of defeat in our identity.

  85. Also differences racially, ethnically.

  86. In the deep south, at least when I was growing up, it was primarily black and white.

  87. There had been no immigration.

  88. There was no Jewish or Italian immigrants or Polish or Irish.

  89. You're just black and white.

  90. Now, obviously that's changed now with immigration from Mexico and South America.

  91. But the idea was that down there, it was very simple.

  92. Ralph D'Aberdathy was talking about racial differences in the north and south.

  93. And he was one of the kings of the lieutenants.

  94. And he said, referencing blacks as they interact with whites, he said, down in the south, people, any white people, don't care how close you are as long as you don't get too high.

  95. Up north, people don't care how high you are as long as you don't get too close.

  96. And that was his understanding.

  97. That was a social imaginary, the difference that people just assumed.

  98. So that's what we're talking about.

  99. Cultures had these imaginaries.

  100. Taylor coined the term expressive individualism to attempt to capture the Western, particularly American, social imaginary.

  101. Expressive individualism.

  102. This is not a novel concept.

  103. Christopher Lash's controversial 1979 assessment of 20 cents a year in America, the culture of narcissism coined the phrase the therapeutic self.

  104. 1979.

  105. 1996, Ronald Warkin critiqued American culture in his book as the rise of the imperial self,

  106. which he identified as a culture dominated by individuality, self-expression, autonomy, and self-esteem.

  107. So this idea of what we orient to in American culture, Western culture in general, but American culture particularly,

  108. is a highly individualistic, self-oriented understanding of life.

  109. One of our pastors this past week was just, you know, in his sermon, was just kind of talking through some things.

  110. And he said, he was talking about, he's a young man, he's in his mid-20s.

  111. And he said, he said, ground zero in my life is what I think about myself.

  112. And that's a great way to capture this idea of expression of individualism.

  113. What I think about myself is how I orient to the world.

  114. That's the world we live in.

  115. I think I'm not telling you something you don't know and don't experience.

  116. And maybe see in hyperdrive in a world of higher education around here.

  117. Where this idea of my own self-identity.

  118. And what's been added to it in the last few years is not simply I need to express myself,

  119. but you need to authenticate however I want to express myself.

  120. My personhood not only requires my right and ability to express myself,

  121. but it requires those around me to affirm and authenticate and celebrate how I think about myself.

  122. That's what we're talking about.

  123. This is not a seminar in American culture.

  124. This cultural understanding is important for you and me as Christians in this culture.

  125. This is the world in which we live and move and have our being, as Paul said.

  126. Did we use another Pauline phrase?

  127. This is the manner of life to which our old self is very much attached.

  128. If you read Ephesians 4, Paul's talking,

  129. calling the believers out of a former manner of life that you learned

  130. and that is attached to the old way,

  131. and he's calling people into a new manner of life that is in Christ.

  132. What I want to help us do is understand the world better,

  133. to understand the ways it relates to human problems and suffering,

  134. and to learn how to do better fellowship and ministry.

  135. One of my concerns in my own church is that if we live with this sense of cultural individual expressionism,

  136. it actually comes into the church in the way we care for one another.

  137. When someone is dealing with a problem, how we relate to one another,

  138. how we understand one another, what's the nature of our problems.

  139. And so we can be in the church really feeding this worldview to one another.

  140. Without even knowing it, because we're like fish in the ocean.

  141. It's what we breathe.

  142. It's all we know.

  143. And so we have to think outside of what we know to do effective ministry.

  144. I have a few baseline points out of which we'll be operating.

  145. One is we live in a psychologized culture

  146. that we all, and we're all inherently shaped by that culture.

  147. That includes Christians.

  148. So you and I are not exempt.

  149. Coming to Christ is a radical change in our hearts,

  150. but it's a call to change our thinking about who we are and how we live in this world.

  151. That doesn't come overnight.

  152. That's a lifelong process because we're in a battle against the world.

  153. The world entices us to conforming to the way it thinks.

  154. The world sets up its values and then calls us to love those values and to pursue those values.

  155. So we are psychologized people.

  156. I am a psychologized person.

  157. The psychologized culture is distinctly shaped by Western, first world, affluent values

  158. that do not translate coherently to other cultural settings.

  159. To take American, particularly American values,

  160. Europe has its own sort of set of values based on the histories of the different countries,

  161. but in America, our values don't translate well into other cultures

  162. without simply overtaking those cultures.

  163. I teach biblical counseling in Adi Sabo, Ethiopia,

  164. and it's amazing how hard it is to teach counseling in a culture that is pre-psychologized.

  165. Now, a lot of the folks I teach are at university school,

  166. and so they're familiar with things.

  167. They certainly know Netflix and by their phones understand culture.

  168. They know the music.

  169. All that's this expressive individualism coming into the culture,

  170. but they don't have concepts to understand basic things that we find interesting.

  171. I was doing a course back in May there on complex problems,

  172. and I was trying to find some way to give them something to work with,

  173. and I found there was a show produced in Kenya

  174. that is kind of like, it's kind of like TED Talks for Kenya, essentially.

  175. Very well done, usually done.

  176. But they had a guy on there who's Kenyan,

  177. and he was talking about dealing with depression,

  178. and he shared how his depression was not understood by his culture,

  179. that he needed to find Western counseling to be able to help him deal with it.

  180. But he was a musician.

  181. He was a performance artist, musician.

  182. And so he did this song, and it was in Swahili.

  183. And he sang this beautiful song in Swahili,

  184. but it's interesting because every word was in Swahili,

  185. except he had to insert the word depression into the song

  186. because there's no concept in Swahili

  187. to define depression as it's defined here.

  188. That's common.

  189. Our way of thinking requires affluence.

  190. It requires a certain way of understanding

  191. who we are in relationship to family,

  192. who we are in relationship to community,

  193. how laws are set up,

  194. what rights we have as individuals,

  195. our collective history.

  196. All those things come into play

  197. that shape who we are,

  198. that when we sort of think we can walk into another culture

  199. and drop that in,

  200. it doesn't work.

  201. And so as a result,

  202. we have to see what we're dealing with

  203. is what seems to be

  204. very common and self-understood

  205. in our culture.

  206. It is very distinct in other cultures.

  207. It's very different.

  208. I'm not telling you anything you don't know.

  209. A third point,

  210. the psychological worldview

  211. is built on an anthropology

  212. that's inherently opposed

  213. to biblical anthropology.

  214. That's where we're going to spend most of the time

  215. in the next few minutes,

  216. so I'll just let you know.

  217. Psychology is,

  218. as an anthropology,

  219. is inherently opposed

  220. to biblical anthropology.

  221. There's not any real place

  222. within to connect.

  223. A fourth point,

  224. effective biblical ministry

  225. and fellowship

  226. requires we understand

  227. the culture

  228. and values

  229. and assumptions

  230. carried by the people

  231. to whom we minister

  232. without imbibing

  233. those values

  234. in the way

  235. we bring ministry.

  236. So in a sense,

  237. we are going to be

  238. counterculture

  239. in our ministry.

  240. And what makes it hard

  241. is that we're not

  242. counterculture

  243. in our own thinking.

  244. So we have to be

  245. self-evaluative

  246. before we can evaluate

  247. how to help other people.

  248. So let's begin.

  249. Definition of psychology,

  250. the study of the soul.

  251. Psychology,

  252. often these days,

  253. it's being portrayed

  254. as a science.

  255. It's a social science.

  256. But it really is,

  257. and it says,

  258. it's the study of the soul.

  259. The study of humanness

  260. as individually perceived

  261. and understood.

  262. And it's a system

  263. of understanding.

  264. And to talk about this,

  265. I want to use,

  266. as a biblical counselor,

  267. David Powelson.

  268. You guys familiar

  269. with David Powelson?

  270. Okay,

  271. so David Powelson,

  272. you really want to,

  273. if you know Tim Keller,

  274. and you're a fan

  275. of Tim Keller,

  276. what Keller did

  277. for generally understanding

  278. the gospel

  279. into the culture

  280. as believers,

  281. Powelson was good at

  282. in dealing with counseling.

  283. He knew how to engage

  284. this psychologized world

  285. in a winsome way,

  286. in a thoughtful way.

  287. And so,

  288. Powelson uses

  289. what we call

  290. an upstream,

  291. downstream metaphor.

  292. So we're going to kind of

  293. use that as a basis

  294. for understanding.

  295. The world of psychology,

  296. you might want to see,

  297. is a river

  298. that flows from upstream

  299. to downstream.

  300. And I sort of have it

  301. in a very crude

  302. sort of a graphic there.

  303. At the top end

  304. of this,

  305. at the fountainhead

  306. of the world of psychology,

  307. is the area

  308. of theology

  309. and philosophy.

  310. There are philosophical

  311. worldviews

  312. that shape

  313. psychology.

  314. Those produce,

  315. a little farther

  316. downstream,

  317. theories.

  318. So based on this,

  319. these philosophical

  320. understandings,

  321. here are theories

  322. that make sense

  323. of what that means.

  324. And out of those theories

  325. then come models

  326. and methodologies

  327. of application.

  328. And then out of

  329. those methodologies

  330. become practices.

  331. Now we have these models.

  332. What are the practices

  333. that flow

  334. from those models

  335. and methodologies?

  336. And then,

  337. what is the cultural

  338. effect

  339. of these kinds

  340. of practices?

  341. So that's a good way

  342. to understand

  343. this idea

  344. of psychology

  345. as a worldview.

  346. It starts

  347. in the world

  348. of philosophy

  349. and it works its way

  350. through theories,

  351. which we'll be looking

  352. at mostly today

  353. in the first session,

  354. and then models

  355. and methodologies

  356. and then therapeutic

  357. practices,

  358. how these get put

  359. into play,

  360. and then how do

  361. they affect people

  362. and culture

  363. and social trends.

  364. So as we go

  365. through this material,

  366. we'll process it through,

  367. I want you to process

  368. through your personal

  369. orientation.

  370. I think you will find

  371. that each of these models

  372. and theories

  373. that we talk about

  374. are going to have

  375. in some sense

  376. relevance to how

  377. you've thought about life

  378. or something you're

  379. familiar with.

  380. So we're going to

  381. navigate the upstream

  382. and downstream dynamic.

  383. In the area of theology

  384. and philosophy,

  385. we're talking about

  386. the area of

  387. psychological anthropology.

  388. This is the fountainhead

  389. of any theory

  390. of the soul.

  391. Whether you're looking

  392. at secular

  393. or religious worldviews,

  394. there are four basic

  395. anthropological questions

  396. that must be addressed.

  397. Who are we?

  398. Who am I?

  399. What's wrong with me?

  400. Because one of the things

  401. every human being

  402. has an awareness of

  403. is things aren't right.

  404. Nobody lives in this world

  405. in the delusion

  406. that everything's right

  407. and will end up right.

  408. What we know

  409. is that we enter

  410. into the world,

  411. there is suffering,

  412. and then there is death.

  413. And how do you explain that?

  414. And how do you

  415. navigate life

  416. because of that?

  417. So what's wrong with us?

  418. The third question

  419. coming out of that

  420. is what should be

  421. right with us.

  422. There's a sense

  423. we all have

  424. that it should not

  425. be this way.

  426. Why is it this way?

  427. Why is life hard?

  428. Why is life unjust?

  429. Why do I suffer

  430. in the way I do?

  431. Why is there

  432. unexplainable suffering

  433. in this world?

  434. What should be right?

  435. If this weren't the case,

  436. what would it be right?

  437. What's the way

  438. it should be?

  439. And then the fourth question

  440. is what would it take

  441. to fix the problem?

  442. Every anthropology

  443. is dealing in some sense

  444. with those questions.

  445. So how does a biblical Christian

  446. answer those questions?

  447. I'm going to take

  448. you guys through it.

  449. You help me

  450. as well-taught

  451. church members.

  452. Who are we?

  453. Who are we?

  454. What do you know

  455. from the bottom?

  456. Sinners?

  457. Yeah,

  458. but more fundamentally

  459. than that.

  460. Image of God.

  461. Yeah,

  462. we're

  463. persons

  464. created

  465. in the image

  466. of God.

  467. That's what the Bible

  468. tells us.

  469. What else do we know?

  470. That's a loaded statement

  471. right there,

  472. isn't it?

  473. God created

  474. man,

  475. male,

  476. and female.

  477. so there is

  478. gender distinction

  479. in creation.

  480. We're creating

  481. the image

  482. of God

  483. one.

  484. Worship.

  485. To serve.

  486. Yeah.

  487. Is that what you mean?

  488. What's your

  489. mission statement

  490. for the church?

  491. To glorify God

  492. by making

  493. disciples of Jesus

  494. Christ

  495. in the power

  496. of the Holy Spirit.

  497. Yeah,

  498. so

  499. that's what we're

  500. called to be.

  501. That's one way

  502. of expressing it,

  503. right?

  504. To worship God.

  505. Is worship

  506. simply

  507. growling at the

  508. foot of a deity?

  509. Is that what we do?

  510. We just,

  511. we sacrifice

  512. to a God

  513. to appease him

  514. or her

  515. or it

  516. so that we can

  517. experience

  518. a good life?

  519. Is that what it is?

  520. What's the purpose?

  521. What's our,

  522. why are we here?

  523. Going back to Genesis

  524. to have dominion.

  525. Yeah,

  526. to express dominion,

  527. we've been given

  528. a responsibility

  529. by God

  530. which means

  531. we're distinct

  532. from other

  533. creatures

  534. God has created,

  535. right?

  536. We are distinct

  537. because of

  538. this,

  539. of what things?

  540. First of all,

  541. one of the things

  542. is this idea

  543. that we've been given

  544. a job.

  545. More,

  546. more fundamental

  547. even than that

  548. is what?

  549. We're created

  550. for relationship

  551. with God,

  552. to walk

  553. with God,

  554. to enjoy

  555. him.

  556. As Augustine

  557. said,

  558. to glorify God

  559. and enjoy him

  560. forever.

  561. That's one way

  562. to understand

  563. who we are.

  564. That's what,

  565. that's what

  566. we are.

  567. In other words,

  568. our life

  569. is lived

  570. in relationship

  571. to have been

  572. created

  573. for a purpose

  574. and given

  575. identity

  576. in relationship

  577. to God

  578. who we

  579. are seeing,

  580. are meant

  581. to see

  582. as both

  583. Lord over

  584. us

  585. but also

  586. the one

  587. who cares

  588. for us.

  589. That's the

  590. distinctly

  591. Christian view

  592. of who we

  593. are.

  594. We can expound

  595. on that

  596. but that's

  597. good enough

  598. for right now.

  599. So what's wrong

  600. with us?

  601. We're sinners.

  602. We're sinners,

  603. right?

  604. Whatever that

  605. is that we

  606. were supposed

  607. to enjoy

  608. has been

  609. marred.

  610. What is

  611. sin?

  612. Disobedience.

  613. Yet it

  614. starts as

  615. disobedience.

  616. It's a

  617. rejection

  618. of God's

  619. rightful

  620. lordship

  621. and his

  622. loving,

  623. gracious

  624. provision

  625. for us.

  626. It's both.

  627. You can't

  628. just sort of

  629. we reject

  630. his lordship.

  631. We're also

  632. rejecting

  633. his provision

  634. for us

  635. saying

  636. we can

  637. do it

  638. on our

  639. own.

  640. We don't

  641. need God.

  642. So part of

  643. the fundamental

  644. problem is

  645. a rejection

  646. of who

  647. we are

  648. meant to

  649. be and

  650. how we're

  651. meant to

  652. live

  653. in the

  654. favor

  655. and rather

  656. to be

  657. live for

  658. ourselves

  659. according to

  660. our own

  661. ways.

  662. Romans 1 and 2

  663. talk about that.

  664. What does that

  665. produce?

  666. What does

  667. God say to

  668. Adam?

  669. In a

  670. nutshell.

  671. Death?

  672. Yeah.

  673. Yeah.

  674. Now you'll die.

  675. Not just a

  676. physical death.

  677. Separation

  678. from God.

  679. Futility.

  680. Ignorance.

  681. Blindness.

  682. Self-destruction.

  683. Idolatry.

  684. That's what's

  685. wrong with us

  686. according to

  687. the Bible.

  688. What should

  689. be right

  690. with us?

  691. I'll answer

  692. that one

  693. quickly.

  694. What should

  695. be right

  696. with us

  697. is that

  698. we have

  699. a restored

  700. relationship

  701. with God.

  702. That

  703. whatever's

  704. been made

  705. wrong

  706. gets made

  707. right.

  708. Cornelius

  709. Plantinga

  710. talks about

  711. this in

  712. terms of

  713. shalom.

  714. The right

  715. standing in

  716. the right

  717. place is

  718. peace.

  719. Shalom.

  720. Plantinga

  721. defines it

  722. as living

  723. the way

  724. things ought

  725. to be.

  726. God

  727. created and

  728. set something

  729. up so that

  730. we would

  731. flourish.

  732. And because

  733. of sin we

  734. no longer

  735. flourish.

  736. We live

  737. in futility.

  738. and so

  739. we are

  740. not living

  741. in the

  742. way things

  743. ought to

  744. be.

  745. And so

  746. the

  747. restoration

  748. that should

  749. come to

  750. us is

  751. that we

  752. return to

  753. a place

  754. of shalom.

  755. A place

  756. of peace

  757. with God,

  758. a peace

  759. in our

  760. soul,

  761. and a peace

  762. in our

  763. world.

  764. That's why I

  765. wrote the

  766. book

  767. Peace.

  768. Because I

  769. wanted to

  770. explore this

  771. idea of what

  772. does it mean

  773. to be

  774. reconciled to

  775. God and

  776. one another

  777. and to

  778. have peace

  779. in a world

  780. full of

  781. strife.

  782. What does

  783. it mean to

  784. have peace?

  785. So that's

  786. what should

  787. be right

  788. with us

  789. and what

  790. does it

  791. take to

  792. fix the

  793. problem?

  794. From a

  795. biblical

  796. perspective,

  797. what fixes

  798. the problem?

  799. Jesus.

  800. What about

  801. Jesus?

  802. Jesus

  803. dying for

  804. us.

  805. Yes.

  806. And what

  807. is the

  808. death?

  809. Is it just

  810. simply a

  811. random

  812. death?

  813. The

  814. death that

  815. covers our

  816. sins.

  817. Yes.

  818. It's an

  819. atonement.

  820. Our sins

  821. need to be

  822. dealt with.

  823. They need to

  824. be purged.

  825. They need to

  826. have them be

  827. removed from

  828. us so that

  829. God can

  830. relate to

  831. us as if

  832. we were not

  833. sinners.

  834. And he

  835. sent the

  836. Son as a

  837. propitiation

  838. for our

  839. sins so

  840. that we

  841. might no

  842. longer live

  843. in

  844. judgment

  845. but live

  846. not only

  847. in

  848. righteousness

  849. but in

  850. restored

  851. relationship

  852. and even

  853. adoption

  854. and new

  855. relationship.

  856. And so

  857. in a sense

  858. the

  859. remedy of

  860. the Bible

  861. is the

  862. latter will

  863. be better

  864. than the

  865. former.

  866. Because

  867. ultimately

  868. what we're

  869. meant to

  870. do is

  871. in

  872. eternity

  873. have an

  874. unbroken

  875. relationship

  876. with God.

  877. and this

  878. is crucial.

  879. Christianity

  880. the Bible

  881. understands

  882. that life

  883. does not

  884. end here.

  885. That this

  886. is a

  887. continuation.

  888. Death

  889. moves us

  890. in a

  891. continuation

  892. into another

  893. state of

  894. life which

  895. is eternal

  896. either

  897. punishment

  898. or eternal

  899. blessing.

  900. So that's

  901. the way

  902. the Bible

  903. understands

  904. anthropology.

  905. anthropology.

  906. So

  907. you've got

  908. that and

  909. what I want

  910. you to do

  911. is we're

  912. going to

  913. look at

  914. three different

  915. ways to

  916. understand

  917. anthropology

  918. and how

  919. they differ

  920. from the

  921. Bible and

  922. how these

  923. make up

  924. the

  925. psychological

  926. worldview.

  927. So we're

  928. going to

  929. do a

  930. little bit

  931. of history

  932. trying to

  933. go through

  934. this pretty

  935. quickly.

  936. The rise

  937. of modern

  938. psychological

  939. theories of

  940. human behavior

  941. occurred in

  942. the mid to

  943. late 19th

  944. century.

  945. Prior to

  946. the 19th

  947. century most

  948. work was

  949. done through

  950. a spiritual

  951. lens or

  952. understood through

  953. a spiritual

  954. lens or

  955. through a

  956. rudimentary

  957. medical lens.

  958. But changes

  959. brought about

  960. by the

  961. enlightenment

  962. and the

  963. scientific

  964. revolution

  965. created an

  966. environment

  967. out of which

  968. the psychological

  969. culture developed.

  970. Humanistic

  971. philosophy and

  972. culture,

  973. cultural

  974. modernism

  975. create an

  976. alternative

  977. understanding

  978. of the soul.

  979. So what

  980. is the

  981. primal

  982. goo

  983. of

  984. psychology?

  985. Well,

  986. several factors.

  987. Religious

  988. liberalism and

  989. higher

  990. criticism was

  991. an attack on

  992. the veracity

  993. of the

  994. Bible and

  995. the

  996. orthodox

  997. Christianity

  998. in the

  999. academy.

  1000. So at the

  1001. upper end of

  1002. philosophy and

  1003. theology, the

  1004. Bible was set

  1005. aside in favor

  1006. of rationalism.

  1007. That results in

  1008. sort of a

  1009. rationalistic

  1010. scientific

  1011. empiricism.

  1012. Truth is not

  1013. transcendent.

  1014. it must be

  1015. reasoned out.

  1016. A lot of

  1017. what I'm doing

  1018. in studying

  1019. religious liberty

  1020. is how that

  1021. played out in

  1022. the colonial

  1023. revolutionary

  1024. periods in

  1025. this country

  1026. and what

  1027. were the

  1028. what was the

  1029. thinking about

  1030. God that

  1031. was going on?

  1032. What was

  1033. changing?

  1034. We know

  1035. that up here

  1036. in New

  1037. England,

  1038. what would

  1039. have been

  1040. orthodox

  1041. Puritan

  1042. Calvinistic

  1043. Christianity

  1044. was giving

  1045. way to

  1046. all manner

  1047. of deistic

  1048. and unitarian

  1049. tendencies

  1050. which prevail

  1051. to this day.

  1052. Truth is not

  1053. transcendent.

  1054. It must be

  1055. reasoned out.

  1056. Romanticism

  1057. in a response

  1058. to really

  1059. what happened

  1060. in the French

  1061. Revolution

  1062. when the

  1063. Enlightenment

  1064. kind of

  1065. project blew

  1066. up,

  1067. the reaction

  1068. was romanticism.

  1069. Rather than

  1070. going from

  1071. we have

  1072. an academy

  1073. of pure

  1074. reason

  1075. that we

  1076. appeal to,

  1077. now we

  1078. go the

  1079. opposite

  1080. direction

  1081. saying no,

  1082. what you

  1083. feel is

  1084. what happened.

  1085. So romanticism

  1086. as a period

  1087. is what

  1088. feels.

  1089. It has to

  1090. do with

  1091. what the

  1092. human

  1093. experience

  1094. and impulse

  1095. is

  1096. where

  1097. romanticism

  1098. comes.

  1099. So you

  1100. get this

  1101. idea that

  1102. what's

  1103. inside of

  1104. me

  1105. is what

  1106. really

  1107. matters.

  1108. You have

  1109. Darwinian

  1110. anthropology.

  1111. Every human

  1112. experience

  1113. can be

  1114. understood

  1115. in purely

  1116. rationalistic

  1117. terms.

  1118. Darwin

  1119. says,

  1120. man with

  1121. all his

  1122. noble qualities,

  1123. with sympathy

  1124. which feels

  1125. for the most

  1126. debased,

  1127. with benevolence

  1128. which extends

  1129. not only to

  1130. other men

  1131. but to

  1132. the humblest

  1133. living creature,

  1134. with his

  1135. godlike

  1136. intellect

  1137. which has

  1138. penetrated

  1139. into the

  1140. movements

  1141. and

  1142. constitution

  1143. of the

  1144. solar

  1145. system,

  1146. kind of

  1147. overstatement

  1148. there at

  1149. that time,

  1150. with all

  1151. these exalted

  1152. powers,

  1153. man still

  1154. bears in

  1155. his bodily

  1156. frame the

  1157. indelible

  1158. stamp of

  1159. his lowly

  1160. origin.

  1161. That is

  1162. Darwin's

  1163. anthropology.

  1164. Karl Marx,

  1165. Marxian

  1166. materialism,

  1167. when I was

  1168. in college,

  1169. that was my

  1170. field of

  1171. study,

  1172. I was a

  1173. Marxist,

  1174. and I

  1175. studied

  1176. Marxism

  1177. as my,

  1178. that was my,

  1179. that was my,

  1180. essentially

  1181. studying my

  1182. degree.

  1183. Human

  1184. problems are

  1185. not internal,

  1186. they're entirely

  1187. external,

  1188. and they

  1189. come from

  1190. alienated

  1191. social

  1192. existence.

  1193. And so

  1194. Marx is

  1195. well known

  1196. for saying

  1197. religion is

  1198. the sigh

  1199. of the

  1200. oppressed

  1201. creature,

  1202. the heart

  1203. of a

  1204. heartless

  1205. world,

  1206. and the

  1207. soul of

  1208. the soulless

  1209. conditions

  1210. is the

  1211. opium

  1212. of the

  1213. people.

  1214. And then

  1215. humanist

  1216. spirituality,

  1217. William

  1218. James,

  1219. not very

  1220. familiar these

  1221. days as a

  1222. name,

  1223. but actually

  1224. is very

  1225. prominent in

  1226. terms of

  1227. conceptual

  1228. ideas these

  1229. days.

  1230. Belief,

  1231. see if this

  1232. doesn't resonate

  1233. with anybody

  1234. you know,

  1235. belief is a

  1236. valid human

  1237. experience that

  1238. has no

  1239. quantifiable

  1240. relationship to

  1241. the existence

  1242. of God.

  1243. So it's

  1244. important for

  1245. you to have

  1246. belief in

  1247. something,

  1248. but it

  1249. doesn't have

  1250. to be God.

  1251. James says,

  1252. religion is

  1253. the feelings,

  1254. acts, and

  1255. experience of

  1256. individual men

  1257. or women

  1258. in their

  1259. solitude so

  1260. far as they

  1261. apprehend

  1262. themselves to

  1263. stand in

  1264. relation to

  1265. whatever they

  1266. may consider

  1267. the divine.

  1268. Does that

  1269. sound pretty

  1270. current?

  1271. Yeah.

  1272. So William

  1273. James kind

  1274. of fell out

  1275. into disfavor,

  1276. but now

  1277. essentially,

  1278. and that's

  1279. what really

  1280. broke me

  1281. away from

  1282. my final

  1283. moorings as

  1284. a Christian

  1285. or growing

  1286. up in the

  1287. church was

  1288. William James,

  1289. reading William

  1290. James and

  1291. realizing I

  1292. don't need,

  1293. I can just

  1294. have belief in

  1295. whatever.

  1296. I'm reading a

  1297. book right now

  1298. on hope and

  1299. it's actually a

  1300. secular book,

  1301. but the underlying

  1302. of the book is

  1303. hope is not,

  1304. it doesn't have

  1305. to be anything

  1306. in particular,

  1307. it's a set of

  1308. thinking about

  1309. yourself,

  1310. you can hope

  1311. in yourself,

  1312. and that's

  1313. true hope,

  1314. that's William

  1315. James.

  1316. Here's the key,

  1317. all these

  1318. philosophies have

  1319. as a starting

  1320. point the

  1321. denial of a

  1322. transcendent God,

  1323. all current

  1324. theories and

  1325. methodologies flow

  1326. out of some

  1327. combination of

  1328. these anthropologies,

  1329. so I gave you

  1330. those briefly

  1331. because that's

  1332. the primal

  1333. goo,

  1334. that's the

  1335. philosophical

  1336. underpinnings of

  1337. all psychological

  1338. thinking in the

  1339. Western culture.

  1340. So the three

  1341. basic theories

  1342. coming out of

  1343. those philosophies,

  1344. three basic

  1345. theories,

  1346. I'm using

  1347. three because

  1348. I'm trying to

  1349. kind of keep

  1350. it,

  1351. there's probably

  1352. 650 different

  1353. psychological

  1354. theories currently

  1355. in operation

  1356. right now,

  1357. and they're

  1358. all contradictory,

  1359. but in one

  1360. way or the

  1361. other,

  1362. they fit into

  1363. one of these

  1364. three camps,

  1365. so in order to

  1366. break it down

  1367. to this level,

  1368. there's overlapping,

  1369. so I don't want

  1370. to oversimplify it,

  1371. but it's important

  1372. to recognize that

  1373. these three kind

  1374. of schools have

  1375. retained relevance

  1376. up to this day.

  1377. So the first

  1378. one I would call

  1379. the psychobiology

  1380. field,

  1381. these are kind

  1382. of in

  1383. historical order,

  1384. the psychobiology

  1385. field,

  1386. in that field

  1387. our problems

  1388. are physically

  1389. a part of us

  1390. and must be

  1391. alleviated by

  1392. externally

  1393. administered

  1394. treatment.

  1395. Modern psychology

  1396. began in the

  1397. field of medicine,

  1398. biological

  1399. connection of

  1400. character and

  1401. mental health

  1402. has a long

  1403. history,

  1404. theory.

  1405. My brain

  1406. theories,

  1407. even in the

  1408. 1800s,

  1409. are popular.

  1410. The insane

  1411. asylum gives

  1412. way to the

  1413. psychiatric

  1414. hospital.

  1415. field is

  1416. developed in

  1417. sort of a

  1418. linear

  1419. progression.

  1420. As

  1421. different

  1422. medical advances

  1423. happen,

  1424. they're applied

  1425. in various

  1426. different ways

  1427. to

  1428. psychological

  1429. conditions,

  1430. diagnostic

  1431. technology,

  1432. medical research,

  1433. pharmacology.

  1434. In its

  1435. contemporary

  1436. expression,

  1437. the psychobiology

  1438. field is dominated

  1439. by pharmacology.

  1440. Psychobiology

  1441. field has

  1442. become

  1443. intertwined

  1444. with the

  1445. pharmaceutical

  1446. industry

  1447. and the

  1448. insurance

  1449. field.

  1450. They work

  1451. together in

  1452. our current

  1453. culture in

  1454. a way that's

  1455. created the

  1456. medical model

  1457. approach to

  1458. psychological

  1459. care.

  1460. We can talk

  1461. about that if

  1462. you want.

  1463. The reason

  1464. it's been

  1465. prominent is

  1466. because of

  1467. what medicine

  1468. can do,

  1469. what insurance

  1470. will pay for,

  1471. and what

  1472. pharmaceutical

  1473. companies are

  1474. willing to

  1475. produce,

  1476. able to

  1477. produce.

  1478. Those drive

  1479. the medical

  1480. model.

  1481. So what does

  1482. it say?

  1483. Who are we?

  1484. According to

  1485. the medical

  1486. model,

  1487. according to

  1488. the psychobiology

  1489. model,

  1490. who are we?

  1491. This is the

  1492. way I would

  1493. say it.

  1494. If you're

  1495. taking notes,

  1496. you don't

  1497. have to take

  1498. it.

  1499. I'm just

  1500. trying to

  1501. give you

  1502. the ideas.

  1503. We live

  1504. as biological

  1505. entities in

  1506. a materialistic

  1507. world with

  1508. no verifiable

  1509. transcendent

  1510. reality.

  1511. Humanness is

  1512. a biological

  1513. construct.

  1514. We are the

  1515. product of

  1516. our evolutionary

  1517. development,

  1518. that's obviously

  1519. Darwin,

  1520. as it shapes

  1521. and is shaped

  1522. by genetic

  1523. and chemical

  1524. factors common

  1525. to nature.

  1526. one of the

  1527. last 30

  1528. years.

  1529. The development

  1530. of what we

  1531. call the

  1532. evolutionary

  1533. psychology is

  1534. actually trying

  1535. to understand

  1536. human

  1537. personality

  1538. and at

  1539. its best

  1540. as an

  1541. adaptation

  1542. through

  1543. evolution.

  1544. So whenever

  1545. you read

  1546. articles,

  1547. particularly

  1548. popular articles

  1549. about some

  1550. psychological

  1551. condition or

  1552. whatever it is,

  1553. some behavior

  1554. tendency,

  1555. you'll always

  1556. see some

  1557. reference to

  1558. this comes

  1559. from this

  1560. adaptation in

  1561. evolution.

  1562. That's what

  1563. we're talking

  1564. about in the

  1565. psychological

  1566. field.

  1567. What's wrong

  1568. with us?

  1569. Our problems,

  1570. needs are us.

  1571. In other words,

  1572. everything is in

  1573. our physicality.

  1574. Our greatest

  1575. problems are the

  1576. limits of our

  1577. bodies to

  1578. function at a

  1579. capacity that

  1580. allows us to

  1581. experience pleasure

  1582. and minimize

  1583. pain during

  1584. our lifespan.

  1585. So if we

  1586. are just

  1587. simply evolved

  1588. creatures,

  1589. then the

  1590. goal is for

  1591. us to lead

  1592. with maximum

  1593. enjoyment and

  1594. minimal pain

  1595. as long as

  1596. possible.

  1597. So here,

  1598. I'm at an

  1599. age where

  1600. everything I

  1601. get on my

  1602. news feed

  1603. seems to

  1604. speak to

  1605. getting older

  1606. and the

  1607. avoidance of

  1608. things and

  1609. turning back

  1610. age.

  1611. And there's

  1612. so many

  1613. different things

  1614. coming soon

  1615. where you can

  1616. actually turn

  1617. back age and

  1618. this craving

  1619. to put off

  1620. death.

  1621. What's

  1622. fascinating,

  1623. and this is

  1624. an aside,

  1625. it's produced

  1626. a culture,

  1627. and this is

  1628. the idea

  1629. of a lot

  1630. of it,

  1631. where medical

  1632. science can

  1633. extend bodily

  1634. life beyond

  1635. personal meaning.

  1636. And so what

  1637. you see now

  1638. among the

  1639. aging is they

  1640. can live

  1641. until 90 or

  1642. 95.

  1643. they have

  1644. no meaning

  1645. of life

  1646. past 80.

  1647. The last

  1648. 15 years

  1649. are just

  1650. waiting to

  1651. die.

  1652. And they

  1653. can be

  1654. kept.

  1655. One of the

  1656. great struggles

  1657. in gerontology

  1658. is this idea

  1659. that medicine

  1660. knows how to

  1661. keep people

  1662. alive.

  1663. It doesn't

  1664. know how to

  1665. make their

  1666. lives meaningful.

  1667. And that's

  1668. what's going

  1669. on in

  1670. psychomiology.

  1671. what should

  1672. be right

  1673. with us.

  1674. In this

  1675. model,

  1676. in the

  1677. psychobiology

  1678. model,

  1679. what should

  1680. be right

  1681. with us,

  1682. our potential

  1683. is a

  1684. reasonable

  1685. quality of

  1686. life as

  1687. long as

  1688. life can

  1689. be reasonably

  1690. lived.

  1691. The pursuit

  1692. of change

  1693. is only

  1694. inhibited by

  1695. the limits

  1696. of applied

  1697. science and

  1698. the moral

  1699. conventions of

  1700. society to

  1701. which we

  1702. live.

  1703. we can do

  1704. a whole lot

  1705. more if we

  1706. just cast

  1707. off the

  1708. moral issues

  1709. that come

  1710. with the

  1711. fact that

  1712. we can't

  1713. reinvent

  1714. people.

  1715. So,

  1716. what would

  1717. it take to

  1718. fix the

  1719. problem?

  1720. The solution

  1721. occurs as

  1722. identifiable

  1723. physical

  1724. abnormalities

  1725. are medically

  1726. treated.

  1727. The medical

  1728. profession with

  1729. specialized

  1730. training in

  1731. psychological

  1732. disorders,

  1733. using medical

  1734. treatments to

  1735. address

  1736. biological

  1737. abnormalities

  1738. is the

  1739. changing.

  1740. you're always

  1741. looking for

  1742. what's the

  1743. presumed

  1744. change

  1745. agent.

  1746. In this

  1747. case,

  1748. it's the

  1749. medical

  1750. profession.

  1751. And

  1752. psychologists

  1753. and psychiatrists

  1754. understood in

  1755. their medical

  1756. capacity.

  1757. So,

  1758. where,

  1759. take a pause

  1760. for a second

  1761. to this,

  1762. where would

  1763. you see

  1764. this in

  1765. your world?

  1766. Where do

  1767. you,

  1768. what are

  1769. your reference

  1770. points for

  1771. this?

  1772. This idea

  1773. of,

  1774. physical and

  1775. everything that

  1776. needs to

  1777. change about

  1778. who we are

  1779. and our

  1780. thinking and

  1781. feeling and

  1782. behavior and

  1783. condition is

  1784. physiology at

  1785. work.

  1786. The idea

  1787. that if you're

  1788. depressed,

  1789. just take

  1790. medication.

  1791. Yeah,

  1792. yeah,

  1793. yeah,

  1794. some medication

  1795. for depression

  1796. or anything

  1797. really.

  1798. Yeah,

  1799. yeah.

  1800. Yeah.

  1801. Yeah,

  1802. I mean,

  1803. I guess the

  1804. assumption,

  1805. even in the

  1806. medical field,

  1807. that the

  1808. highest goal

  1809. is to

  1810. alleviate

  1811. pain

  1812. and prolong

  1813. life.

  1814. Yeah.

  1815. Yeah.

  1816. Yeah.

  1817. Yeah.

  1818. It's like a

  1819. Yeah.

  1820. Yeah.

  1821. Think about

  1822. this.

  1823. Where is the

  1824. mind?

  1825. Where is the

  1826. mind?

  1827. Where is the

  1828. mind?

  1829. The brain.

  1830. Is the mind

  1831. the same thing

  1832. as the brain?

  1833. Well,

  1834. in this view

  1835. maybe.

  1836. Is that?

  1837. In this view

  1838. maybe?

  1839. Yeah.

  1840. Well,

  1841. yeah,

  1842. yeah,

  1843. yeah.

  1844. It's interesting

  1845. because according

  1846. to this view,

  1847. there is no

  1848. soul,

  1849. there is no

  1850. personhood

  1851. separate from

  1852. brain function.

  1853. Your identity

  1854. is an extension

  1855. of neurons

  1856. fire.

  1857. Who you

  1858. are

  1859. as a person

  1860. is only

  1861. physiology.

  1862. Now,

  1863. and that

  1864. one of the

  1865. challenges

  1866. with this

  1867. approach

  1868. is that

  1869. we can

  1870. see how

  1871. yeah,

  1872. if you

  1873. can limit

  1874. it to

  1875. well,

  1876. there are

  1877. certain

  1878. medications

  1879. that are

  1880. targeted

  1881. and we're

  1882. going to

  1883. talk about

  1884. medications

  1885. later

  1886. to help

  1887. people

  1888. with certain

  1889. physiological

  1890. factors,

  1891. that's

  1892. good,

  1893. but

  1894. why

  1895. stop

  1896. there?

  1897. why

  1898. not

  1899. pharmacologically

  1900. reorienting

  1901. the brain

  1902. so that

  1903. it thinks

  1904. differently?

  1905. It can

  1906. be done.

  1907. the point

  1908. is,

  1909. when the

  1910. brain is

  1911. total

  1912. identity,

  1913. then

  1914. personhood

  1915. is lost.

  1916. Agency

  1917. is lost.

  1918. And so

  1919. that's why

  1920. we have to

  1921. be very

  1922. careful

  1923. when we

  1924. ascribe to

  1925. a medical

  1926. approach,

  1927. when we

  1928. ascribe to

  1929. a physiology,

  1930. biology,

  1931. the

  1932. underlying

  1933. philosophy

  1934. behind that

  1935. is that

  1936. you're no

  1937. different

  1938. than a

  1939. lower level

  1940. animal,

  1941. except for

  1942. brain capacity

  1943. is great.

  1944. And that's

  1945. profoundly

  1946. affecting

  1947. in the way

  1948. you think

  1949. about who

  1950. you are as

  1951. a person

  1952. and what

  1953. you need

  1954. as a

  1955. person.

  1956. So keep

  1957. that in

  1958. mind,

  1959. because it

  1960. should cause

  1961. us to

  1962. pause a

  1963. little bit

  1964. when we

  1965. think about,

  1966. well,

  1967. clearly there's

  1968. something wrong

  1969. in their

  1970. brain.

  1971. What are

  1972. we really

  1973. saying in

  1974. that?

  1975. We're

  1976. identifying

  1977. everything

  1978. with physiology.

  1979. And if we're

  1980. going to help

  1981. people, if we're

  1982. going to

  1983. understand

  1984. ourselves,

  1985. we have to

  1986. deal with

  1987. the philosophical

  1988. question,

  1989. am I more

  1990. than my

  1991. brain?

  1992. or am I

  1993. only my

  1994. brain?

  1995. So that's

  1996. psychobiology.

  1997. Second one,

  1998. psychodynamic

  1999. field.

  2000. Psychodynamic

  2001. field,

  2002. in the

  2003. psychodynamic

  2004. field,

  2005. all problems

  2006. are within

  2007. us and

  2008. all solutions

  2009. are outside

  2010. of us.

  2011. And so in

  2012. the biology

  2013. realm,

  2014. we are the

  2015. problem.

  2016. Our

  2017. physicality is

  2018. the problem,

  2019. the limits

  2020. of our

  2021. physicality.

  2022. In

  2023. psychodynamic

  2024. field,

  2025. all problems

  2026. are within

  2027. us and

  2028. all solutions

  2029. are outside

  2030. of us.

  2031. Sigmund

  2032. Freud developed

  2033. concepts that

  2034. undergird all

  2035. theories of

  2036. the psychodynamic

  2037. field.

  2038. Freud was a

  2039. physician who

  2040. received training

  2041. in neurology and

  2042. developed an

  2043. inherent interest

  2044. in treating

  2045. patients,

  2046. suffering from

  2047. what he

  2048. called

  2049. hysterical

  2050. conditions.

  2051. Freudian

  2052. psychology took

  2053. hold in

  2054. Europe at

  2055. the end

  2056. of the

  2057. 19th

  2058. century but

  2059. swept in

  2060. the U.S.

  2061. among the

  2062. cultural and

  2063. academic

  2064. needs when

  2065. Freud embarked

  2066. on a lecture

  2067. tour of the

  2068. states in

  2069. 1909.

  2070. His

  2071. successors,

  2072. while staying

  2073. within the

  2074. basic

  2075. tenets of

  2076. his

  2077. psychodynamic

  2078. model,

  2079. differed

  2080. sharply and

  2081. reacted against

  2082. one at some

  2083. points.

  2084. Jung and

  2085. others would

  2086. differ with

  2087. Freud as

  2088. significant

  2089. points.

  2090. But the

  2091. underlying

  2092. basis of

  2093. understanding

  2094. of who

  2095. we are

  2096. remains

  2097. Freudian.

  2098. And we'll

  2099. get to what

  2100. it means in

  2101. a second.

  2102. Viktor

  2103. Frankl,

  2104. for example,

  2105. his experience

  2106. as a prisoner

  2107. in Auschwitz

  2108. undermined

  2109. his Freudian

  2110. training.

  2111. Freud had

  2112. no place

  2113. for any

  2114. kind of

  2115. transcendence.

  2116. And so

  2117. Frankl

  2118. developed his

  2119. treatment theories

  2120. around the

  2121. idea that

  2122. psychological

  2123. health required

  2124. finding meaning

  2125. in life to

  2126. stave off the

  2127. three universal

  2128. tragedies of

  2129. pain, guilt,

  2130. and death.

  2131. It's still

  2132. psychodynamic

  2133. because it

  2134. treats personhood

  2135. as fundamentally

  2136. disordered and

  2137. need a specialized

  2138. help to

  2139. reverse that

  2140. state.

  2141. Classic

  2142. psychotherapy,

  2143. by which we

  2144. mean Freudian

  2145. psychotherapy,

  2146. is primarily

  2147. occurring in

  2148. the academic

  2149. settings and

  2150. among the

  2151. wealthy who

  2152. can afford an

  2153. open-ended

  2154. and intensive

  2155. approach to

  2156. counseling.

  2157. Most people

  2158. are not going

  2159. to get

  2160. Freudian

  2161. psychotherapy

  2162. because it's

  2163. presumed that

  2164. you are in

  2165. therapy your

  2166. whole life,

  2167. that therapy is

  2168. part of a

  2169. management of

  2170. your life,

  2171. and you're

  2172. constantly

  2173. working through

  2174. the inner

  2175. things to

  2176. get to the

  2177. outer things.

  2178. So who are

  2179. we?

  2180. And this is

  2181. going to sound

  2182. complicated,

  2183. and that's

  2184. part of the

  2185. problem with

  2186. it.

  2187. Who are we?

  2188. Fundamental

  2189. reality is

  2190. conscious and

  2191. unconscious

  2192. existence in

  2193. the natural

  2194. world.

  2195. To be human

  2196. is to be

  2197. subject to

  2198. psychic drives

  2199. that are

  2200. shaped by

  2201. early life

  2202. experience,

  2203. and which

  2204. define how

  2205. we live,

  2206. think,

  2207. and emote

  2208. through the

  2209. entirety of

  2210. life experience.

  2211. All human

  2212. experience can

  2213. be linked to

  2214. deep-seated

  2215. desires and

  2216. fears that

  2217. lodge in

  2218. unconscious or

  2219. subconscious areas

  2220. of our minds.

  2221. Freud identified

  2222. these areas as

  2223. the id, the

  2224. ego, and the

  2225. superego, terms

  2226. he coined.

  2227. While biology is

  2228. assumed in his

  2229. understanding,

  2230. these are not

  2231. biological categories,

  2232. but they're

  2233. abstractions in

  2234. the mind.

  2235. Again, they're

  2236. not brain,

  2237. they're mind.

  2238. Freud thought in

  2239. mind terms,

  2240. not brain terms.

  2241. To Freud, all

  2242. human orientation

  2243. can be linked to

  2244. sexual desire and

  2245. nor fear of

  2246. death.

  2247. Religious

  2248. thought is a

  2249. pathological

  2250. attempt to

  2251. find meaning

  2252. in a hostile

  2253. and godless

  2254. cosmos.

  2255. I read a

  2256. book on

  2257. cultural history

  2258. of classical

  2259. music, and

  2260. Jim Swofford,

  2261. the author,

  2262. said this.

  2263. He describes

  2264. Freud's

  2265. anthropology as

  2266. an image of

  2267. the mind as

  2268. a fragile

  2269. crust over

  2270. an unconscious

  2271. tide of

  2272. urges,

  2273. violence,

  2274. sexuality,

  2275. and pain.

  2276. Freud on

  2277. religion.

  2278. Religion is

  2279. a system of

  2280. wishful illusions

  2281. together with

  2282. a disavowal of

  2283. reality, such as

  2284. we find nowhere

  2285. else but in a

  2286. state of blissful,

  2287. hallucinatory

  2288. confusion.

  2289. Devout believers

  2290. are safely guarded

  2291. in a high degree

  2292. against the risk

  2293. of certain

  2294. neurotic tendencies.

  2295. Their acceptance

  2296. of the universal

  2297. neuroses

  2298. spares them

  2299. from the task

  2300. of constructing

  2301. a personal

  2302. one.

  2303. So it's

  2304. avoidance.

  2305. Religion is

  2306. avoidance of

  2307. neuroses.

  2308. So that's what

  2309. we are.

  2310. We are

  2311. messed up.

  2312. Our problems

  2313. is internal

  2314. turmoil that's

  2315. beyond our

  2316. ability to

  2317. control or

  2318. being recognized.

  2319. In Freudian

  2320. terms, it is

  2321. repression of our

  2322. unconscious and

  2323. subconscious states

  2324. which control our

  2325. instincts and

  2326. responses to life.

  2327. This repression

  2328. has a pathological

  2329. effect on our

  2330. psychic health and

  2331. ability to function

  2332. in the world around

  2333. us.

  2334. So if you're

  2335. hearing this and

  2336. you're saying,

  2337. okay, some of

  2338. it's familiar, but

  2339. some of it just

  2340. seems very esoteric.

  2341. That's Freud.

  2342. Freud is

  2343. esoteric.

  2344. Freud, everything

  2345. that Freud says,

  2346. he creates out of

  2347. his own thinking.

  2348. The problem with

  2349. Freud, frankly, is

  2350. he would probably

  2351. have lost his

  2352. license in

  2353. detail.

  2354. Because he

  2355. basically built

  2356. everything of his

  2357. theories on one

  2358. person and

  2359. himself.

  2360. He had one

  2361. primary patient

  2362. and then he

  2363. analyzed himself.

  2364. And all his

  2365. theories are based

  2366. on that.

  2367. methodologies were

  2368. dubious at best.

  2369. So what should be

  2370. right with us?

  2371. The potential

  2372. outcome of

  2373. change is deeper

  2374. insight and a

  2375. continuing management

  2376. of adverse psychic

  2377. forces with gradual

  2378. mastery over them.

  2379. Therapy is

  2380. traditionally

  2381. understood as a

  2382. lifelong pursuit,

  2383. if not a necessity.

  2384. back in the

  2385. 60s and 70s,

  2386. there were a

  2387. slew of movies

  2388. when psychotherapy

  2389. was really at a

  2390. peak, where in

  2391. all the movies,

  2392. the main

  2393. characters,

  2394. there was always

  2395. a psychotherapist

  2396. somewhere in there.

  2397. They were just

  2398. always going to

  2399. therapy.

  2400. And the whole

  2401. idea of talking

  2402. through problems

  2403. is a Freudian

  2404. concept.

  2405. That's where that

  2406. idea comes from.

  2407. The couch, all

  2408. those kind of

  2409. things, that's

  2410. all Freudian.

  2411. So what does it

  2412. take to fix the

  2413. problem?

  2414. This is where it

  2415. gets really

  2416. murky.

  2417. We change by

  2418. bringing the

  2419. subconscious to

  2420. the surface,

  2421. thereby resolving

  2422. inner conflict and

  2423. neuroses, and

  2424. eliminating

  2425. pathological

  2426. reactions to our

  2427. psychic disorder.

  2428. And the type of

  2429. things we do is

  2430. repression,

  2431. projection, and

  2432. denial.

  2433. So those are

  2434. pathological things.

  2435. So you hear the

  2436. word repression,

  2437. they're repressing

  2438. that, or they're

  2439. in denial, or

  2440. they're projecting

  2441. that onto somebody

  2442. using Freudian

  2443. language.

  2444. You're just

  2445. predicting that

  2446. only.

  2447. That's Freudian

  2448. language.

  2449. The change agent

  2450. is an expert

  2451. therapist, a

  2452. person who is

  2453. trained to guide

  2454. us into change

  2455. through talk and

  2456. evaluation of

  2457. thinking and

  2458. feeling.

  2459. For example,

  2460. the psychotherapist

  2461. who uses the

  2462. process of

  2463. psychoanalysis to

  2464. work out the

  2465. inner turmoil of

  2466. our conscious or

  2467. subconscious desire.

  2468. So I bring all

  2469. this up because

  2470. classic Freudianism

  2471. is largely

  2472. debunked now as

  2473. a school.

  2474. There are still

  2475. people who are

  2476. Freudians, but

  2477. more often they're

  2478. using the second

  2479. and third generation

  2480. of Freudians to

  2481. build on, not

  2482. Freud himself.

  2483. But Freud is the

  2484. fountaine of all

  2485. this and you have

  2486. to deal with

  2487. him.

  2488. What do you get

  2489. that seems

  2490. familiar to you

  2491. from this?

  2492. Where would you

  2493. see evidence of

  2494. psychoanalytic

  2495. thinking in your

  2496. world?

  2497. I think a

  2498. tendency to

  2499. attribute a lot

  2500. of problems to

  2501. early childhood

  2502. development.

  2503. Yeah.

  2504. Yeah.

  2505. Yeah.

  2506. Increasingly, one

  2507. of the challenges

  2508. with trauma, which

  2509. we'll talk about

  2510. later, is

  2511. ruining trauma

  2512. back even to

  2513. the womb.

  2514. Wow.

  2515. So people can

  2516. have trauma

  2517. responses to

  2518. what happened

  2519. in the womb.

  2520. In utero

  2521. trauma, they

  2522. call it.

  2523. that's very

  2524. Freudian.

  2525. Very current, but

  2526. it's very Freudian.

  2527. What else?

  2528. There's one

  2529. staring us in the

  2530. face.

  2531. What?

  2532. How do I,

  2533. what is the

  2534. change agent?

  2535. Therapist.

  2536. Yeah.

  2537. Expertise.

  2538. Expertise.

  2539. I need an

  2540. expert.

  2541. I need somebody

  2542. who's trained.

  2543. What is that

  2544. person supposed

  2545. to do?

  2546. What is the

  2547. trained person

  2548. supposed to do?

  2549. They're supposed

  2550. to help me figure

  2551. out what's going

  2552. on inside me

  2553. and talk it

  2554. out and

  2555. resolve the

  2556. inner struggle

  2557. that I'm

  2558. dealing with.

  2559. Talk therapy

  2560. traces to

  2561. Freud.

  2562. Paul Tripp.

  2563. Have you ever

  2564. read Paul Tripp?

  2565. Paul Tripp, I

  2566. was in a small

  2567. group with him

  2568. one time when

  2569. we were just

  2570. talking about

  2571. this stuff and

  2572. he said,

  2573. you will never

  2574. find talking

  2575. out your

  2576. problems as a

  2577. remedy in the

  2578. Bible.

  2579. people.

  2580. But yet here I

  2581. am, I do it

  2582. all the time.

  2583. It is an

  2584. assumption of

  2585. Western American,

  2586. Western culture,

  2587. but particularly

  2588. American culture,

  2589. where we have the

  2590. wherewithal to find

  2591. people to talk

  2592. with.

  2593. Where the way you

  2594. resolve problems is

  2595. talking to people.

  2596. Vocalizing.

  2597. I don't know

  2598. any other

  2599. culture where

  2600. people talk

  2601. out their

  2602. problems.

  2603. They may

  2604. go to

  2605. somebody for

  2606. wisdom.

  2607. In many

  2608. cultures they

  2609. actually consider

  2610. pathology that

  2611. they don't talk

  2612. about their

  2613. problems.

  2614. It's interesting

  2615. to be in

  2616. Ethiopia, among

  2617. Ethiopians, they

  2618. say no, people

  2619. don't talk about

  2620. their problems.

  2621. Now, it doesn't

  2622. mean they handle

  2623. them well.

  2624. When people have

  2625. problems, they

  2626. usually disappear

  2627. working on their

  2628. problems and then

  2629. reappear in that

  2630. culture.

  2631. that's not

  2632. exactly healthy.

  2633. But the idea

  2634. that I need to

  2635. talk about my

  2636. problems is just

  2637. a foreign concept

  2638. in most of the

  2639. world.

  2640. But it's the only

  2641. way we know how

  2642. to do it in this

  2643. world.

  2644. So that's

  2645. Freudianism

  2646. played out.

  2647. Now, it

  2648. develops in this

  2649. third one, as

  2650. we'll see.

  2651. But this idea,

  2652. when you're

  2653. thinking about

  2654. where do you

  2655. see Freudianism,

  2656. it's this,

  2657. rather than

  2658. everything located

  2659. in the brain

  2660. and you've

  2661. got to medicate

  2662. the brain,

  2663. no, it's all

  2664. churning somewhere

  2665. in me.

  2666. And I've got to

  2667. get it out and

  2668. talk it out.

  2669. I have to have a

  2670. cathartic experience.

  2671. I have to have a

  2672. breakthrough.

  2673. The whole idea of

  2674. a counseling

  2675. breakthrough is

  2676. Freudian.

  2677. And I need an

  2678. expert.

  2679. Oh, you're not

  2680. trained?

  2681. You don't have a

  2682. degree in this?

  2683. I'm sorry, you

  2684. can't help me.

  2685. Freudianism.

  2686. That's all

  2687. Freudian.

  2688. That comes from

  2689. Freud.

  2690. So the third

  2691. is psychosocial

  2692. field.

  2693. In the

  2694. psychosocial field,

  2695. the problems are

  2696. outside of us,

  2697. but all the

  2698. solutions are

  2699. inside of us.

  2700. So it's

  2701. exactly the

  2702. opposite of

  2703. Freud.

  2704. Where in

  2705. Freud, all the

  2706. problems are

  2707. inside of us,

  2708. we need help

  2709. from outside.

  2710. In the

  2711. psychosocial field,

  2712. all the problems

  2713. are outside of

  2714. us, all the

  2715. solutions lie

  2716. within us.

  2717. This is a wide

  2718. variety of

  2719. theories that

  2720. people understood

  2721. in a relational

  2722. social context.

  2723. Each theory is

  2724. concerned with

  2725. helping people

  2726. function well in

  2727. a context,

  2728. sometimes a

  2729. context that's

  2730. difficult to

  2731. function well in.

  2732. Some of the

  2733. major schools

  2734. that you would

  2735. find in this

  2736. home are what

  2737. you call

  2738. behaviorism.

  2739. You've got

  2740. three familiar

  2741. with this,

  2742. behaviorism.

  2743. A school that

  2744. focuses on

  2745. learning.

  2746. will learn

  2747. behavior, so

  2748. it presumes

  2749. that our

  2750. problems are

  2751. maladaptive

  2752. behavior to

  2753. circumstances,

  2754. and better

  2755. behavior, and

  2756. how can I

  2757. retrain behavior?

  2758. Cognitive

  2759. therapy, very

  2760. popular even to

  2761. this day,

  2762. developed out of

  2763. the behavior

  2764. of school, but

  2765. cognitive

  2766. therapy focuses

  2767. on thinking

  2768. patterns as the

  2769. key to

  2770. management.

  2771. In 1970s,

  2772. these kind of

  2773. came together,

  2774. so you'll

  2775. still have

  2776. cognitive

  2777. therapists,

  2778. you'll still

  2779. have

  2780. behaviors,

  2781. more often

  2782. you see

  2783. CBT,

  2784. cognitive

  2785. behavioral

  2786. therapy,

  2787. which means

  2788. the goal

  2789. of that

  2790. kind of

  2791. therapy is

  2792. you're either

  2793. behaving or

  2794. thinking or

  2795. feeling wrongly,

  2796. and my job

  2797. as a therapist

  2798. is to help

  2799. you think and

  2800. feel right.

  2801. And they're

  2802. better adapt to

  2803. your circumstances.

  2804. There's a host

  2805. of need-based

  2806. theories.

  2807. Their genesis is

  2808. the positive

  2809. humanist of

  2810. William James,

  2811. as we mentioned.

  2812. The commonality

  2813. that links them

  2814. is generally an

  2815. optimistic view

  2816. that if some

  2817. unmet need of a

  2818. person can be

  2819. addressed, that a

  2820. person's inner

  2821. potential can be

  2822. reached.

  2823. Maslow's

  2824. hierarchy of

  2825. needs, classic.

  2826. Carl Rogers

  2827. developed a

  2828. counseling methodology

  2829. based on

  2830. unconditional

  2831. positive regard

  2832. and supportive

  2833. listening as a

  2834. way to help

  2835. people achieve

  2836. self-actualization

  2837. on their highest

  2838. potential.

  2839. So anything

  2840. that's related

  2841. to human

  2842. potential,

  2843. anything that's

  2844. related to you

  2845. can be a

  2846. better person,

  2847. anything that's

  2848. related to be

  2849. all that you

  2850. can be,

  2851. is all based

  2852. on this idea

  2853. of it's a

  2854. psychosocial

  2855. field.

  2856. One that's

  2857. increasingly

  2858. popular is the

  2859. idea of my

  2860. mindfulness.

  2861. You guys are

  2862. familiar with

  2863. mindfulness?

  2864. Okay.

  2865. There's no

  2866. standard definition

  2867. of mindfulness,

  2868. but psychology

  2869. today just gives

  2870. you a nice

  2871. little definition

  2872. of features.

  2873. Mindfulness is a

  2874. state of active,

  2875. open attention

  2876. on the present.

  2877. When you're

  2878. mindful, you

  2879. observe your

  2880. thoughts and

  2881. feelings from a

  2882. distance without

  2883. judging them good

  2884. or bad.

  2885. Instead of letting

  2886. your life pass

  2887. by you,

  2888. mindfulness means

  2889. living in the

  2890. moment and

  2891. awakening to

  2892. experience.

  2893. Is that

  2894. familiar?

  2895. Does that

  2896. seem like the

  2897. end of every

  2898. movie that you

  2899. ever watch or

  2900. every show that

  2901. you watch?

  2902. Is that

  2903. ultimately,

  2904. unless somebody

  2905. gets killed in

  2906. a shock,

  2907. somehow people

  2908. are finding

  2909. themselves and

  2910. there coming

  2911. to a fuller

  2912. understanding of

  2913. who they are

  2914. and now

  2915. can live a

  2916. happier life?

  2917. That's what

  2918. this is.

  2919. There are two

  2920. basic assumptions

  2921. in this field.

  2922. The goal is

  2923. progress through

  2924. some form of

  2925. self-effort.

  2926. So this is not

  2927. the therapist as

  2928. one who is

  2929. pulling out from

  2930. you based on

  2931. expertise.

  2932. The bad stuff

  2933. so that you

  2934. can adapt and

  2935. no longer deal

  2936. with the bad

  2937. stuff.

  2938. This is,

  2939. you've got a

  2940. lot of good

  2941. in you.

  2942. How can I

  2943. help the good

  2944. come out?

  2945. What can we

  2946. do to get rid

  2947. of the bad

  2948. and help the

  2949. good?

  2950. The good is

  2951. the natural

  2952. thing.

  2953. The good is

  2954. what should

  2955. flow out of

  2956. you.

  2957. The goal is

  2958. progress through

  2959. some form of

  2960. self-effort.

  2961. I can't do it

  2962. for you.

  2963. And so the

  2964. therapist who's

  2965. more in the

  2966. psychosocial field

  2967. is more of a

  2968. coach.

  2969. They're more

  2970. of somebody who

  2971. is going to

  2972. come alongside

  2973. make sure that

  2974. you feel good

  2975. about yourself.

  2976. Make sure that

  2977. you feel like

  2978. you're all you

  2979. can be.

  2980. Help you deal

  2981. with negative

  2982. thought patterns.

  2983. Help you embrace

  2984. positive thought

  2985. patterns.

  2986. Those kind of

  2987. things.

  2988. So who are we

  2989. in this world?

  2990. There's a

  2991. spirituality that

  2992. can be inherent

  2993. in many places.

  2994. Eventually when

  2995. you're in the

  2996. world of this

  2997. psychosocial,

  2998. there's some

  2999. acknowledgement,

  3000. there's a

  3001. spiritual dimension.

  3002. There's something

  3003. bigger.

  3004. Because something

  3005. bigger is almost

  3006. entirely benevolent

  3007. and almost

  3008. entirely for you.

  3009. It could just

  3010. simply be the

  3011. cosmos.

  3012. I was on a

  3013. tour one time

  3014. and the tour

  3015. guy comes in

  3016. Italy and kept

  3017. talking about,

  3018. let's just thank

  3019. the cosmos.

  3020. It's a beautiful

  3021. view.

  3022. and I'm like,

  3023. who,

  3024. who,

  3025. who,

  3026. you know.

  3027. Or let's just

  3028. be thankful.

  3029. Like,

  3030. if you think

  3031. about it,

  3032. what we need

  3033. in this world

  3034. is more

  3035. thankfulness.

  3036. To who?

  3037. Thankfulness

  3038. requires an

  3039. object.

  3040. But in this

  3041. field,

  3042. thankfulness is

  3043. its own.

  3044. Let's just

  3045. love.

  3046. Loving

  3047. self,

  3048. you've got to

  3049. love yourself,

  3050. that's the

  3051. language of

  3052. this field.

  3053. In a

  3054. fundamental

  3055. sense,

  3056. the truth

  3057. is within

  3058. each of us.

  3059. Humanity is

  3060. a reality

  3061. of untapped

  3062. potential

  3063. toward which

  3064. each person

  3065. should strive

  3066. and which

  3067. social structures

  3068. should support.

  3069. So,

  3070. our social

  3071. structures,

  3072. our laws,

  3073. everything should

  3074. support this

  3075. kind of

  3076. experiential

  3077. human flourishing,

  3078. be all you

  3079. can be.

  3080. What's wrong

  3081. with us?

  3082. Our greatest

  3083. problem is the

  3084. personal,

  3085. interpersonal,

  3086. and societal

  3087. constriction on

  3088. our ability to

  3089. achieve our

  3090. full potential.

  3091. The goal of

  3092. full potential

  3093. was keeping

  3094. us from

  3095. that.

  3096. What should

  3097. be right

  3098. with us?

  3099. The operative

  3100. historical concept

  3101. is often called

  3102. self-actualization,

  3103. that's Maslow.

  3104. Living at the

  3105. fullest possible

  3106. capacity to

  3107. which we can

  3108. strive.

  3109. This is not

  3110. about selfishness

  3111. because in

  3112. most of these,

  3113. in the way

  3114. they're understood,

  3115. there's a not

  3116. only living,

  3117. the more you

  3118. live good for

  3119. yourself,

  3120. the more you

  3121. live good for

  3122. other people.

  3123. The better a

  3124. person you are,

  3125. the more you'll

  3126. be more beneficial

  3127. to other people.

  3128. Positive self-esteem

  3129. and confident

  3130. self-expression

  3131. are also

  3132. worthy goals.

  3133. what would it

  3134. take to fix

  3135. the problem

  3136. that we have?

  3137. All of us

  3138. have the

  3139. capacity for

  3140. change through

  3141. repatterning of

  3142. thoughts,

  3143. beliefs,

  3144. and behaviors,

  3145. and the

  3146. removal of

  3147. negative factors

  3148. which restrict

  3149. our potential.

  3150. So,

  3151. something like,

  3152. well,

  3153. you know what,

  3154. you're surrounded

  3155. by toxic people.

  3156. So,

  3157. the problem is

  3158. toxic people

  3159. that are affecting

  3160. who you can be.

  3161. You need to

  3162. limit,

  3163. you need to

  3164. create boundaries

  3165. to keep

  3166. yourself from

  3167. being affected

  3168. by toxic people.

  3169. That's all

  3170. the psychosocial

  3171. field.

  3172. You're fine,

  3173. you've just

  3174. got to remove

  3175. the negative

  3176. factors in

  3177. your life.

  3178. We are our

  3179. own change

  3180. agents.

  3181. They require

  3182. guides or

  3183. therapists.

  3184. The goal of

  3185. any therapy

  3186. is empowerment

  3187. to personal

  3188. change.

  3189. So,

  3190. where do you

  3191. see this

  3192. around you?

  3193. If you

  3194. work at a

  3195. company,

  3196. you're going

  3197. to see it

  3198. in the

  3199. human resource

  3200. department.

  3201. That's where

  3202. it's there.

  3203. Where else

  3204. do you see it?

  3205. Just in general,

  3206. I feel like

  3207. motivation.

  3208. Yeah,

  3209. motivational speaking.

  3210. Yeah,

  3211. those kind of

  3212. things.

  3213. You are

  3214. doing great

  3215. in real

  3216. time.

  3217. Yeah,

  3218. yeah,

  3219. yeah.

  3220. my son,

  3221. he has a

  3222. company,

  3223. I still

  3224. don't understand

  3225. the model,

  3226. but it's

  3227. working for

  3228. him,

  3229. but he

  3230. develops the

  3231. content for

  3232. influencers,

  3233. right?

  3234. So,

  3235. an influencer

  3236. will hire

  3237. and then

  3238. he'll develop

  3239. the content.

  3240. He'll film

  3241. them,

  3242. he'll do

  3243. these things

  3244. and he'll

  3245. talk to

  3246. videos and

  3247. that kind

  3248. of stuff

  3249. for him.

  3250. And,

  3251. and,

  3252. he would

  3253. tell you,

  3254. he said,

  3255. man,

  3256. everybody wants

  3257. to be an

  3258. influencer.

  3259. Everybody,

  3260. everybody wants,

  3261. they don't have

  3262. any,

  3263. they haven't done

  3264. anything,

  3265. but they

  3266. don't want to,

  3267. but they still

  3268. want to tell

  3269. people what to

  3270. do.

  3271. Because they're

  3272. appealing this

  3273. idea that I

  3274. can make money

  3275. by making

  3276. people feel

  3277. better about

  3278. themselves.

  3279. Or make

  3280. them feel

  3281. more productive.

  3282. And so that's a

  3283. big part of

  3284. influencing,

  3285. is a big part

  3286. of this world

  3287. now.

  3288. What else?

  3289. this is

  3290. actually where

  3291. if you go

  3292. to a

  3293. counselor

  3294. these days,

  3295. you will

  3296. probably find

  3297. this is the

  3298. dominant

  3299. orientation

  3300. they come

  3301. in with.

  3302. Because you

  3303. don't need

  3304. a PhD

  3305. to do

  3306. this.

  3307. It's good

  3308. to have

  3309. training.

  3310. if you're

  3311. licensed,

  3312. that's kind

  3313. of the

  3314. most

  3315. things you

  3316. need to

  3317. be licensed,

  3318. but you

  3319. don't need

  3320. to have

  3321. a PhD.

  3322. You don't

  3323. need to

  3324. understand a

  3325. lot of the

  3326. underlying

  3327. theories.

  3328. You just

  3329. have to be

  3330. good with

  3331. people,

  3332. know how to

  3333. help people,

  3334. know how to

  3335. relate to

  3336. people.

  3337. That's why

  3338. many people

  3339. go to

  3340. counseling for

  3341. years,

  3342. but you

  3343. don't see a

  3344. lot of

  3345. change because

  3346. the counseling

  3347. becomes their,

  3348. it's paid

  3349. friendship,

  3350. right?

  3351. It's the

  3352. idea that

  3353. this person

  3354. helps me feel

  3355. better about

  3356. myself.

  3357. And counseling

  3358. is how do I

  3359. help this

  3360. person feel

  3361. better about

  3362. myself.

  3363. And it'll

  3364. frustrate some

  3365. counselors because

  3366. I feel like I

  3367. can't, once I

  3368. begin to press

  3369. on change,

  3370. then I didn't

  3371. know I don't

  3372. want change,

  3373. I just want to

  3374. feel good about

  3375. myself.

  3376. I need somebody

  3377. to hear me,

  3378. listen to me,

  3379. and help me to

  3380. think better about

  3381. myself.

  3382. I have a little

  3383. footnote in here,

  3384. I'll just share it,

  3385. but you can read it,

  3386. but I'll just share it.

  3387. In this,

  3388. 70s through the

  3389. 90s,

  3390. self-esteem was

  3391. the dominant

  3392. concept in

  3393. popular psychology.

  3394. We need self-esteem,

  3395. kids need self-esteem,

  3396. we all need

  3397. self-esteem.

  3398. I think there

  3399. were, I think

  3400. the footnote

  3401. says there

  3402. were like 15,000

  3403. studies done

  3404. on self-esteem

  3405. out of which

  3406. this idea

  3407. self-esteem

  3408. is essential

  3409. to human

  3410. flourishing.

  3411. One of the

  3412. founders of

  3413. the self-esteem

  3414. movement,

  3415. and it got very

  3416. popular,

  3417. you couldn't

  3418. read books

  3419. that weren't

  3420. self-esteem

  3421. books,

  3422. and maybe you're

  3423. familiar with it

  3424. now,

  3425. maybe you're

  3426. going to cross

  3427. it now,

  3428. but one of the

  3429. founders began

  3430. to question some

  3431. of the tenets of

  3432. self-esteem.

  3433. It seemed like it

  3434. sort of fit everything.

  3435. He helped develop

  3436. a macro study,

  3437. and they looked

  3438. at these 15,000

  3439. studies,

  3440. and out of those

  3441. 15,000 studies,

  3442. only 200

  3443. were academically

  3444. reliable.

  3445. The rest of them

  3446. failed on the

  3447. basis of

  3448. academic rigor.

  3449. And of those

  3450. 200 studies

  3451. that passed

  3452. showed no

  3453. distinction

  3454. between high

  3455. and low

  3456. self-esteem

  3457. in any

  3458. category

  3459. performance.

  3460. And self-esteem

  3461. actually made

  3462. no difference

  3463. what's the

  3464. factor

  3465. in how

  3466. somebody

  3467. functioned

  3468. in life.

  3469. this kind

  3470. of world

  3471. is very

  3472. subject to

  3473. those kind

  3474. of fads.

  3475. You'll see

  3476. those.

  3477. What tends

  3478. to happen,

  3479. and we'll

  3480. talk about it

  3481. later on,

  3482. is something

  3483. becomes popular

  3484. and is

  3485. popularized in

  3486. a therapeutic

  3487. way,

  3488. and then books

  3489. get written

  3490. about it,

  3491. and those

  3492. books over

  3493. promise.

  3494. So if you

  3495. look at,

  3496. if you Google,

  3497. if you look

  3498. at books,

  3499. you'll see

  3500. things dominate

  3501. in the

  3502. therapy world

  3503. that prove

  3504. to be

  3505. ultimately

  3506. fads.

  3507. It's great

  3508. in the

  3509. history of

  3510. that.

  3511. So before

  3512. we close

  3513. out this

  3514. session,

  3515. just a bit

  3516. of history,

  3517. I just want

  3518. to show

  3519. you kind

  3520. of how

  3521. these,

  3522. there's not

  3523. a linear

  3524. progression

  3525. in the world

  3526. of psychology

  3527. in terms of

  3528. the different

  3529. theories and

  3530. how they

  3531. function.

  3532. They really

  3533. kind of

  3534. flow with

  3535. culture.

  3536. So in

  3537. the late

  3538. 19th century,

  3539. psychobiology

  3540. emerges at

  3541. the basic

  3542. of psychology.

  3543. That's the

  3544. first,

  3545. this idea

  3546. that it's

  3547. all physicality.

  3548. Turn of

  3549. the century,

  3550. we saw

  3551. that psychosocial

  3552. field,

  3553. Freud,

  3554. a brief

  3555. ascendancy

  3556. connected

  3557. to modernism.

  3558. Teddy

  3559. Roosevelt

  3560. was the

  3561. archetype

  3562. of the

  3563. human

  3564. potential

  3565. movement.

  3566. There's

  3567. actually,

  3568. in Great

  3569. Britain,

  3570. the Victorian

  3571. man was

  3572. a big thing

  3573. to this

  3574. idea that

  3575. there's a

  3576. certain way

  3577. of understanding

  3578. manhood

  3579. in the

  3580. Victorian

  3581. culture.

  3582. It was

  3583. built

  3584. in this

  3585. self-promotion

  3586. model.

  3587. Roosevelt

  3588. was the

  3589. archetype

  3590. for what

  3591. happened in

  3592. America,

  3593. what people

  3594. were aspiring

  3595. to.

  3596. Early

  3597. 20th century,

  3598. coming out

  3599. of World

  3600. One,

  3601. American

  3602. soldiers in

  3603. particular

  3604. coming back

  3605. with what

  3606. now is

  3607. classified as

  3608. PTSD,

  3609. shell shock,

  3610. you saw

  3611. Freudianism

  3612. really applied

  3613. to that.

  3614. Psychoanalysis,

  3615. 30s and

  3616. 40s,

  3617. psychosocial

  3618. field reemerges

  3619. because

  3620. psychoanalysis

  3621. just too,

  3622. it takes too

  3623. much training

  3624. to do

  3625. and it's

  3626. too expensive.

  3627. So what

  3628. does the

  3629. average person

  3630. do?

  3631. Then you

  3632. get these

  3633. lower level

  3634. theories that

  3635. are more

  3636. mainstream

  3637. for people.

  3638. Biology

  3639. reemerges

  3640. in the

  3641. 50s with

  3642. experimentation

  3643. and

  3644. electroshock

  3645. therapy,

  3646. drug

  3647. therapy,

  3648. and surgical

  3649. lobotomy.

  3650. Those are

  3651. big in the

  3652. 50s,

  3653. the 60s.

  3654. It's amazing

  3655. how many

  3656. Hollywood stars

  3657. in the 50s

  3658. were getting

  3659. shock therapy

  3660. because they

  3661. didn't afford

  3662. it.

  3663. Psychoanalysis

  3664. reemerges

  3665. because they

  3666. find ways

  3667. to do it

  3668. in a more

  3669. short-term

  3670. way and

  3671. problem-specific.

  3672. 70s to

  3673. 90s

  3674. psychosocial

  3675. therapies,

  3676. CBT,

  3677. and then

  3678. pop psychology

  3679. develops

  3680. mass

  3681. self-esteem

  3682. and self-help

  3683. therapies.

  3684. 2000 to

  3685. 2020,

  3686. psychobiology

  3687. dominates.

  3688. That's the

  3689. whole medical

  3690. field we've

  3691. talked about.

  3692. Developing

  3693. trends,

  3694. I think that

  3695. we've seen

  3696. a generation

  3697. of mental

  3698. health issues

  3699. addressed as

  3700. biological

  3701. problems in

  3702. the medical

  3703. model,

  3704. and now

  3705. it's taking

  3706. some hits.

  3707. I think

  3708. we're moving

  3709. a bit away

  3710. from a

  3711. medical

  3712. model.

  3713. Long-term

  3714. use of

  3715. psychopharmacology

  3716. is starting

  3717. to show

  3718. limits to

  3719. effectiveness

  3720. because it

  3721. just stops

  3722. working,

  3723. and permanent

  3724. negative side

  3725. effects in

  3726. long-term

  3727. patients.

  3728. Some basic

  3729. mental health

  3730. issues like

  3731. depression and

  3732. anxiety are

  3733. proving to be

  3734. stubbornly

  3735. resistant to

  3736. medical

  3737. treatments alone.

  3738. the tendency

  3739. of drug

  3740. manufacturers to

  3741. oversell

  3742. efficiency is

  3743. now an

  3744. established fact,

  3745. so drug

  3746. manufacturers way

  3747. oversell.

  3748. If you

  3749. ever see

  3750. an ad

  3751. for a

  3752. drug related

  3753. to mental

  3754. health issues,

  3755. the list of

  3756. negative side

  3757. effects is

  3758. frightening

  3759. with those

  3760. drugs.

  3761. because frankly,

  3762. most drugs

  3763. that are

  3764. marketed for

  3765. psychopharmacology

  3766. weren't developed

  3767. for psychopharmacology.

  3768. That's a

  3769. secondary

  3770. benefit of

  3771. the drug.

  3772. another factor

  3773. with the

  3774. field is

  3775. that

  3776. pharmacology,

  3777. I mean,

  3778. it's like

  3779. you're looking

  3780. in pharmaceuticals,

  3781. but you

  3782. don't tend

  3783. to develop,

  3784. put a lot

  3785. of money

  3786. into drugs

  3787. that you

  3788. can't have

  3789. confidence

  3790. that you're

  3791. going to

  3792. have a

  3793. good use

  3794. in it.

  3795. It's going

  3796. to make

  3797. money.

  3798. And the

  3799. reason that

  3800. psychopharmacology

  3801. is mostly

  3802. coming from

  3803. drugs created

  3804. for something

  3805. else is

  3806. because they're

  3807. looking for

  3808. other uses

  3809. for things

  3810. and there's

  3811. some benefit

  3812. to them

  3813. because nobody's

  3814. going to invest

  3815. a lot of

  3816. money in a

  3817. depression drug

  3818. when they don't

  3819. know the

  3820. underlying causes

  3821. of depression

  3822. and don't know

  3823. how to treat

  3824. it and don't

  3825. have any

  3826. consistency.

  3827. And over and

  3828. over and over

  3829. again,

  3830. with depression

  3831. drugs in

  3832. particular,

  3833. the placebo

  3834. is as equally

  3835. effective as

  3836. the drug.

  3837. So, and

  3838. then studies

  3839. are showing

  3840. that the

  3841. personal choice

  3842. and lifestyle

  3843. decisions of

  3844. people can

  3845. mute or even

  3846. undermine the

  3847. effectiveness of

  3848. medication alone.

  3849. You may have

  3850. seen this on

  3851. universities where

  3852. the amount of

  3853. Ritalin people

  3854. are taking.

  3855. Do they eat

  3856. Ritalin?

  3857. No.

  3858. They have a

  3859. lifestyle that

  3860. they want to

  3861. undergird with

  3862. Ritalin.

  3863. That's what's

  3864. tending to

  3865. happen with

  3866. medications.

  3867. They're not

  3868. being, they're

  3869. being used and

  3870. then lifestyle.

  3871. So you have

  3872. Ritalin and you

  3873. have drinking.

  3874. You have

  3875. depression

  3876. medication and

  3877. you have drugs.

  3878. And so, so

  3879. it's very

  3880. difficult to

  3881. know what the

  3882. underlying

  3883. problems are.

  3884. So, I just

  3885. don't think

  3886. you're going to

  3887. see medication.

  3888. There's not

  3889. going to be

  3890. anything driving

  3891. medication as

  3892. a universal

  3893. cure.

  3894. After the

  3895. pandemic,

  3896. one of

  3897. things interesting

  3898. and we'll

  3899. talk a little

  3900. about popular

  3901. language of

  3902. social identity

  3903. and politics

  3904. these days,

  3905. trauma,

  3906. oppression,

  3907. empowerment,

  3908. diversity,

  3909. equity,

  3910. inclusion,

  3911. validation,

  3912. self-care,

  3913. et cetera,

  3914. has been

  3915. grafted whole

  3916. cloth into

  3917. the mental

  3918. health world.

  3919. This is

  3920. really more

  3921. needs-based

  3922. psychosocial

  3923. model.

  3924. In other

  3925. words,

  3926. what's

  3927. happening,

  3928. one of

  3929. the things

  3930. you're seeing

  3931. now is

  3932. that I

  3933. have these

  3934. struggles,

  3935. not because

  3936. of a personal

  3937. experience,

  3938. but because

  3939. of a class

  3940. experience.

  3941. Because this

  3942. is who I

  3943. am connected

  3944. to,

  3945. this is who

  3946. I'm

  3947. identified

  3948. with,

  3949. and I'm

  3950. sharing that

  3951. experience.

  3952. It doesn't

  3953. mean that

  3954. there isn't

  3955. something valid

  3956. to that,

  3957. but then you

  3958. take these

  3959. terms,

  3960. which we'll

  3961. talk about

  3962. later,

  3963. and you

  3964. apply them

  3965. to what

  3966. is a

  3967. class

  3968. experience,

  3969. regardless of

  3970. my personal

  3971. experience,

  3972. and you

  3973. claim

  3974. victimhood in

  3975. that

  3976. experience,

  3977. and now

  3978. you have a

  3979. need for

  3980. certain things

  3981. to resolve

  3982. that.

  3983. That's what's

  3984. happening now.

  3985. It's a

  3986. psychosocial

  3987. reaction that

  3988. really began

  3989. post-pandemic.

  3990. two points,

  3991. and we'll

  3992. take any

  3993. questions you

  3994. guys have.

  3995. Key point

  3996. number one,

  3997. most therapists

  3998. do not

  3999. ascribe to a

  4000. school of

  4001. psychology.

  4002. I just gave

  4003. you three,

  4004. they don't

  4005. ascribe to

  4006. them.

  4007. They are

  4008. practitioners

  4009. in the

  4010. field of

  4011. mental health

  4012. and emotional

  4013. health,

  4014. and they

  4015. will use

  4016. whatever

  4017. therapeutic

  4018. approach they

  4019. feel will

  4020. work.

  4021. They will

  4022. not reference

  4023. these schools,

  4024. not if they're

  4025. not familiar

  4026. with them,

  4027. not if they

  4028. haven't encountered

  4029. them in school,

  4030. but they don't

  4031. come out married

  4032. to a particular

  4033. field.

  4034. The fact

  4035. that the

  4036. tenets

  4037. underlying

  4038. these,

  4039. which is what

  4040. we're talking

  4041. about today,

  4042. are very

  4043. contradictory,

  4044. means that

  4045. it's very

  4046. difficult to

  4047. coherently

  4048. connect these

  4049. theories into

  4050. coherent

  4051. therapy,

  4052. but people

  4053. attempt to

  4054. do it,

  4055. and what you

  4056. wind up with

  4057. is sort of a

  4058. mishmash of

  4059. self-understandings

  4060. that people

  4061. have.

  4062. It can be

  4063. very confusing

  4064. for people

  4065. because the

  4066. messaging is

  4067. very different,

  4068. even from

  4069. session to

  4070. session.

  4071. Number two,

  4072. we must,

  4073. and the reason

  4074. we're talking

  4075. about it,

  4076. we need to

  4077. be able to

  4078. interact with

  4079. the world and

  4080. practice of

  4081. psychology without

  4082. integrating the

  4083. worldview and

  4084. practice of

  4085. psychology.

  4086. We need

  4087. theological

  4088. discernment.

  4089. The reason

  4090. we're talking

  4091. about this

  4092. today,

  4093. and the

  4094. reason I

  4095. care so

  4096. much about

  4097. people,

  4098. even if

  4099. they're thinking

  4100. I'm not going

  4101. to go into

  4102. counseling,

  4103. is because

  4104. this is the

  4105. world you

  4106. minister in,

  4107. this is the

  4108. world you

  4109. live in.

  4110. Do you

  4111. understand,

  4112. has this

  4113. affected your

  4114. understanding of

  4115. yourself and

  4116. your problems?

  4117. Do you need

  4118. to take a second

  4119. and look and

  4120. say,

  4121. where did I

  4122. get that

  4123. from?

  4124. This

  4125. understanding

  4126. of myself,

  4127. do I know

  4128. that it's

  4129. come from

  4130. somewhere?

  4131. It fits,

  4132. it feels

  4133. right,

  4134. different.

  4135. But is it

  4136. coherent?

  4137. Is it really

  4138. what I need

  4139. to understand?

  4140. Is it

  4141. conflicting

  4142. with what I

  4143. really believe?

  4144. I see so

  4145. many Christians

  4146. who live in

  4147. this perpetual

  4148. struggle between

  4149. what they feel

  4150. about themselves

  4151. and what they

  4152. say they

  4153. believe.

  4154. Because what

  4155. they feel

  4156. about themselves

  4157. is diametrically

  4158. opposed to

  4159. what they say

  4160. they believe

  4161. and they

  4162. don't know.

  4163. And so if

  4164. we're ministering

  4165. to people,

  4166. this is the

  4167. focus of

  4168. the next

  4169. two sessions,

  4170. we're going

  4171. to have to

  4172. understand that

  4173. people live

  4174. in this tension

  4175. between what

  4176. the world tells

  4177. them about

  4178. themselves,

  4179. what they

  4180. provide,

  4181. their self

  4182. understanding,

  4183. even the

  4184. language that

  4185. they use

  4186. to self

  4187. describe.

  4188. So the

  4189. Bible,

  4190. God's word

  4191. and the gospel

  4192. don't hit

  4193. opposition

  4194. through

  4195. ignorance.

  4196. So that's

  4197. it.

  4198. If you take

  4199. a break,

  4200. any questions?

  4201. about that.

  4202. We're going

  4203. to get a

  4204. little more

  4205. street level

  4206. in the office.

  4207. I have a

  4208. question.

  4209. Do you think

  4210. it's wrong

  4211. for a Christian

  4212. to study

  4213. psychology

  4214. with the

  4215. purpose of

  4216. becoming a

  4217. psychologist?

  4218. No.

  4219. No,

  4220. I don't.

  4221. I think

  4222. a Christian

  4223. needs,

  4224. I'm dealing,

  4225. I'm meeting

  4226. with a guy

  4227. right now

  4228. who's doing

  4229. that.

  4230. I think

  4231. a Christian

  4232. needs to be

  4233. well,

  4234. he needs

  4235. to be

  4236. theologically

  4237. grounded

  4238. or she

  4239. needs to be

  4240. theologically

  4241. grounded

  4242. so that

  4243. they understand

  4244. how to

  4245. interpret it.

  4246. Now to do

  4247. a psychology

  4248. degree,

  4249. it's been

  4250. in a

  4251. secondary

  4252. environment,

  4253. you're going

  4254. to have

  4255. to be

  4256. able to

  4257. use the

  4258. language

  4259. that is

  4260. used

  4261. and

  4262. demonstrate

  4263. competency

  4264. over the

  4265. concepts

  4266. that are

  4267. there.

  4268. can you

  4269. do that

  4270. without

  4271. drawing

  4272. them

  4273. into

  4274. your

  4275. life?

  4276. Can you

  4277. do that

  4278. without

  4279. so I

  4280. think

  4281. we're

  4282. I would

  4283. say

  4284. yeah,

  4285. but you

  4286. really

  4287. need

  4288. alongside

  4289. this is

  4290. what we're

  4291. talking about

  4292. to see

  4293. other guys

  4294. doing this,

  4295. you can't

  4296. stop

  4297. studying

  4298. theology

  4299. to study

  4300. psychology

  4301. because it

  4302. will influence

  4303. you because

  4304. you'll have to

  4305. live in that

  4306. world.

  4307. And the

  4308. problem with

  4309. vocabulary is

  4310. vocabulary is

  4311. very identity

  4312. shaped.

  4313. So if I'm

  4314. living in a

  4315. world where

  4316. all the

  4317. vocabulary

  4318. goes this

  4319. way,

  4320. I'm going to

  4321. start using

  4322. that vocabulary

  4323. to describe

  4324. myself in

  4325. my world.

  4326. And if I'm

  4327. with people

  4328. who are

  4329. totally

  4330. imbibing,

  4331. the reason I

  4332. think you

  4333. can do it

  4334. is the

  4335. higher level

  4336. you go,

  4337. the more

  4338. challenging

  4339. it is because

  4340. if you're

  4341. trying to

  4342. get a PhD

  4343. then you're

  4344. going to

  4345. have to

  4346. defend a

  4347. paper.

  4348. You're

  4349. going to

  4350. have to

  4351. defend a

  4352. dissertation.

  4353. You better

  4354. be really

  4355. good at

  4356. what you

  4357. do because

  4358. you're not

  4359. going to

  4360. be conviction

  4361. driven by.

  4362. Most people

  4363. who do

  4364. dissertations,

  4365. they select

  4366. a topic but

  4367. they have

  4368. some sense

  4369. of vested

  4370. interest in

  4371. that topic.

  4372. Can you

  4373. find a

  4374. topic that

  4375. is acceptable

  4376. in an

  4377. academic setting

  4378. that you

  4379. may or may

  4380. not have

  4381. a commitment

  4382. to?

  4383. Some people

  4384. do.

  4385. But you

  4386. have to

  4387. really,

  4388. and you're

  4389. going to

  4390. be in a

  4391. world where

  4392. like any

  4393. world these

  4394. days,

  4395. it's going

  4396. to be,

  4397. you're going

  4398. to find,

  4399. it's going

  4400. to be an

  4401. assaulting

  4402. world.

  4403. So I

  4404. think you

  4405. can,

  4406. I think

  4407. if you're

  4408. going to

  4409. be a

  4410. licensed

  4411. counselor,

  4412. you're

  4413. licensed

  4414. therapist,

  4415. I think

  4416. you can

  4417. do that

  4418. as a

  4419. Christian.

  4420. Again,

  4421. you're going

  4422. to have

  4423. challenges

  4424. with

  4425. licensure

  4426. and what

  4427. you need

  4428. to be able

  4429. to be okay

  4430. with,

  4431. what you

  4432. can talk

  4433. about,

  4434. what you

  4435. can't

  4436. talk about,

  4437. how do

  4438. you do.

  4439. And most

  4440. Christians I

  4441. know who

  4442. are therapists,

  4443. they find the

  4444. biggest limit

  4445. is I know

  4446. what they

  4447. really need,

  4448. but unless

  4449. they ask me,

  4450. I can't

  4451. tell them.

  4452. You know,

  4453. my license

  4454. doesn't want

  4455. me to impose

  4456. that for me.

  4457. So those

  4458. are the

  4459. challenges,

  4460. but those

  4461. are challenges

  4462. you're going

  4463. to face in

  4464. the legal

  4465. world if you

  4466. go for a

  4467. law group.

  4468. Same kind

  4469. of thing.

  4470. Just curious

  4471. to hear your

  4472. opinion,

  4473. and maybe

  4474. this ties

  4475. more with

  4476. application,

  4477. the later

  4478. parts,

  4479. I've

  4480. noticed a

  4481. tendency

  4482. growing up

  4483. that in

  4484. the church

  4485. setting,

  4486. like when

  4487. I was

  4488. growing up,

  4489. I felt

  4490. that if

  4491. someone had

  4492. a problem

  4493. in church,

  4494. they would

  4495. consult their

  4496. pastors first.

  4497. Sure.

  4498. But now

  4499. there's this

  4500. change where

  4501. when people

  4502. have problems,

  4503. they go to

  4504. their counselor

  4505. first.

  4506. Yeah.

  4507. And what

  4508. is your

  4509. personal

  4510. perspective on

  4511. this dynamic,

  4512. this shift?

  4513. Well, it's

  4514. interesting.

  4515. I'm going to

  4516. take your

  4517. exact language.

  4518. They go to

  4519. their counselor

  4520. first.

  4521. The question

  4522. is, when

  4523. did they get

  4524. the counselor

  4525. and what's

  4526. the counselor

  4527. doing?

  4528. Yeah.

  4529. Right?

  4530. Is the

  4531. counselor

  4532. essentially

  4533. that guy

  4534. for me?

  4535. So,

  4536. I talk

  4537. with a lot

  4538. of secular

  4539. counselors

  4540. and therapists

  4541. and they

  4542. will tell you

  4543. one of the

  4544. frustrating

  4545. things about

  4546. their job

  4547. is how

  4548. people get

  4549. cured

  4550. from whatever

  4551. the problem

  4552. is as soon

  4553. as insurance

  4554. runs out.

  4555. Right?

  4556. So, as long

  4557. as insurance

  4558. is paying for

  4559. something,

  4560. I need you.

  4561. Once I have

  4562. to pay for

  4563. it out of

  4564. pocket,

  4565. I think I'm

  4566. okay.

  4567. So, if someone

  4568. has an ongoing

  4569. counselor,

  4570. the question is

  4571. what is that

  4572. person functioning

  4573. in.

  4574. It could be

  4575. beneficial,

  4576. it could be,

  4577. so I'm not

  4578. saying it

  4579. isn't.

  4580. So, I don't

  4581. like to pitch

  4582. pastor against

  4583. counselor.

  4584. I think there's

  4585. roles that can

  4586. be played,

  4587. but I wouldn't

  4588. want you to

  4589. go to pastor

  4590. as if they're

  4591. a therapist

  4592. either.

  4593. That's not

  4594. their role.

  4595. And I wouldn't

  4596. want you to go

  4597. to therapists

  4598. as if they're

  4599. the pastor.

  4600. I think they

  4601. both can have

  4602. a role,

  4603. but I think

  4604. understanding what

  4605. role you're

  4606. asking them to

  4607. play is good.

  4608. One of my

  4609. problems that I

  4610. face is when

  4611. someone is

  4612. going to a

  4613. counselor on

  4614. a regular

  4615. basis and

  4616. they want to

  4617. talk to me,

  4618. I have to

  4619. sort of say,

  4620. we need to

  4621. decide who's

  4622. taking a

  4623. lead on this.

  4624. Because if you

  4625. really feel like

  4626. your counselor's

  4627. most helpful,

  4628. I don't want to

  4629. say things that

  4630. complicate,

  4631. but what would

  4632. really be helpful

  4633. is I understood

  4634. it, let's all

  4635. work together.

  4636. you know,

  4637. when something

  4638. lists, you

  4639. know, and

  4640. they can sign

  4641. a release and

  4642. the counselor

  4643. can talk to

  4644. me, I'm

  4645. really working

  4646. with them on

  4647. this, right,

  4648. that's good to

  4649. know.

  4650. The counselor

  4651. may say,

  4652. listen, can

  4653. you cover this?

  4654. They seem to have

  4655. problems in relation

  4656. in the church.

  4657. Can you help

  4658. them think through

  4659. that?

  4660. And you can

  4661. actually work

  4662. collegially together.

  4663. I don't like

  4664. when people,

  4665. if someone just

  4666. kind of goes to

  4667. the counselor

  4668. or pastor,

  4669. they tend to

  4670. find the one

  4671. that says what

  4672. they want them

  4673. to say.

  4674. And that's

  4675. not going to

  4676. be helpful

  4677. for people.

  4678. So I think

  4679. you can do

  4680. it, but you

  4681. have to be

  4682. careful not

  4683. just kind of

  4684. who's going

  4685. to say

  4686. what I want.

  4687. And so

  4688. it's really

  4689. helpful to

  4690. have those

  4691. three categories

  4692. and then just

  4693. go through that

  4694. in terms of

  4695. the historical

  4696. development.

  4697. But I'm also

  4698. just noticing

  4699. there are

  4700. partial truths

  4701. in them,

  4702. which is what

  4703. makes it

  4704. difficult to

  4705. discern.

  4706. Like in the

  4707. whole psycho,

  4708. I guess,

  4709. biology field,

  4710. we are

  4711. integrated

  4712. dualities,

  4713. right?

  4714. There are

  4715. bodies and

  4716. souls together.

  4717. So our

  4718. bodies do

  4719. matter.

  4720. And then

  4721. there's

  4722. in the

  4723. whole

  4724. psychosocial

  4725. aspect of it,

  4726. we are called

  4727. to speak the

  4728. truth and love

  4729. to each other.

  4730. We are called

  4731. to speak to

  4732. our souls,

  4733. address our

  4734. souls.

  4735. And what

  4736. we do

  4737. does matter.

  4738. It does,

  4739. yeah.

  4740. It's just

  4741. that there's,

  4742. but then

  4743. it just takes

  4744. it too far

  4745. or it doesn't

  4746. go far enough.

  4747. It's like

  4748. there's all

  4749. these things

  4750. that

  4751. controvert

  4752. the biblical

  4753. truth because

  4754. of the

  4755. direction it

  4756. goes.

  4757. So do

  4758. you have

  4759. any suggestions

  4760. for,

  4761. because for

  4762. someone who's

  4763. not delving

  4764. deeply into

  4765. seeing the

  4766. primal goo

  4767. that you're

  4768. coming in,

  4769. how can

  4770. they grow

  4771. in discernment

  4772. at the

  4773. street level?

  4774. Are there

  4775. resources for

  4776. like,

  4777. here's like

  4778. the typical

  4779. vocabulary,

  4780. and how

  4781. that's actually

  4782. shaping the

  4783. way we think

  4784. and shaping

  4785. our identities.

  4786. Here's how

  4787. you should be

  4788. processing the

  4789. book.

  4790. Is there

  4791. anything like

  4792. that?

  4793. Well,

  4794. Truman's

  4795. book,

  4796. and he

  4797. actually

  4798. published

  4799. a version

  4800. that's more

  4801. of a reader

  4802. friendly version,

  4803. is a great

  4804. book to

  4805. understand

  4806. this because

  4807. he gets

  4808. underneath

  4809. that.

  4810. He's

  4811. particularly

  4812. talking

  4813. about

  4814. gender

  4815. and

  4816. sexuality.

  4817. It applies

  4818. to this

  4819. as well.

  4820. Part of

  4821. the reason,

  4822. and we'll

  4823. get to

  4824. this in

  4825. the next

  4826. session,

  4827. these are

  4828. all reflective,

  4829. kind of like

  4830. art is

  4831. reflective of

  4832. human experience

  4833. in various

  4834. ways.

  4835. And in

  4836. any kind

  4837. of human

  4838. art creation,

  4839. even if it

  4840. doesn't appeal

  4841. to the eyes,

  4842. speaking to

  4843. something of

  4844. common human

  4845. experience.

  4846. So we

  4847. should expect

  4848. all of

  4849. these to

  4850. in some

  4851. sense come

  4852. from that.

  4853. I think

  4854. the key

  4855. is where

  4856. is God?

  4857. If God

  4858. is absent

  4859. or if God

  4860. is a

  4861. problem or

  4862. if God

  4863. is a

  4864. pathology,

  4865. then you've

  4866. got real

  4867. problems trying

  4868. to take it.

  4869. the problem

  4870. with what

  4871. they call

  4872. integration

  4873. is integration

  4874. tends to

  4875. want to say,

  4876. well, here's

  4877. what we

  4878. believe as

  4879. Christians.

  4880. There's

  4881. some good

  4882. things in

  4883. psychology.

  4884. Let's bring

  4885. them in.

  4886. But who

  4887. selects what's

  4888. good and

  4889. what's not

  4890. good?

  4891. What's the

  4892. criteria for

  4893. that?

  4894. And to

  4895. what extent

  4896. do you bring

  4897. it in?

  4898. And to

  4899. what extent

  4900. do you bring

  4901. the language

  4902. in with it?

  4903. So you

  4904. start using

  4905. unbiblical

  4906. or non-biblical

  4907. language to

  4908. address human

  4909. problems.

  4910. I'm not a

  4911. big fan of

  4912. oh, that's

  4913. an unbiblical

  4914. language.

  4915. I don't like

  4916. throwing flags.

  4917. We'll talk

  4918. about how I

  4919. would tend

  4920. to do it.

  4921. But we

  4922. have to be

  4923. careful because

  4924. there's an

  4925. underlying

  4926. theology.

  4927. If I

  4928. use it,

  4929. it's the same

  4930. with capitalism.

  4931. People would

  4932. say capitalism

  4933. is the

  4934. most consistently

  4935. understandable

  4936. from a

  4937. biblical

  4938. worldview.

  4939. Free

  4940. enterprise.

  4941. People say

  4942. that.

  4943. Good point.

  4944. But what's

  4945. capitalism

  4946. really doing?

  4947. It's a

  4948. Bible

  4949. fittest.

  4950. And so

  4951. we have to

  4952. be careful

  4953. with any

  4954. of these

  4955. systems or

  4956. structures

  4957. created outside

  4958. the Bible

  4959. trying to

  4960. fit it into

  4961. our biblical

  4962. worldview to

  4963. create a

  4964. synthesis.

  4965. We want to

  4966. make sure

  4967. we stay

  4968. biblical so

  4969. we can relate

  4970. to these

  4971. things accurately.

  4972. But here's

  4973. the other

  4974. one.

  4975. All these

  4976. things,

  4977. who are we?

  4978. That's not

  4979. there.

  4980. What's our

  4981. problem?

  4982. Totally

  4983. different.

  4984. What should

  4985. we be?

  4986. None of

  4987. these things

  4988. have room

  4989. for eternity.

  4990. All problems

  4991. deal with,

  4992. they must be

  4993. dealt with

  4994. before death.

  4995. The nature

  4996. of suffering,

  4997. suffering in

  4998. all these,

  4999. has no

  5000. eternity.

  5001. Suffering has

  5002. no value

  5003. in all

  5004. of these.

  5005. In many

  5006. eastern

  5007. cultures,

  5008. suffering has

  5009. tremendous value.

  5010. In Hinduism,

  5011. suffering has

  5012. tremendous value.

  5013. In western

  5014. culture,

  5015. suffering has

  5016. no value

  5017. at all.

  5018. But why?

  5019. Because we

  5020. can find ways

  5021. to minimize it.

  5022. suffering.

  5023. So we

  5024. have no cultural

  5025. understanding of

  5026. the value of

  5027. suffering.

  5028. But all of

  5029. these are

  5030. saying that's

  5031. the way it

  5032. should be.

  5033. You should

  5034. not suffer.

  5035. Suffering in

  5036. itself is

  5037. pathological.

  5038. So we

  5039. have to be

  5040. careful what

  5041. we do because

  5042. there's underlying

  5043. assumptions about

  5044. who we are,

  5045. what's wrong

  5046. with us,

  5047. what should be

  5048. right with us,

  5049. how we get

  5050. there,

  5051. that we're

  5052. trying to be

  5053. right.

  5054. Okay.