Light and Darkness (Luke 8:16-18) - Podcast Episode 23

Hey friends, welcome to another episode of the KPC Podcast.

And we are well and good into summer now like this is this is

fun. It's hot, it's warm, it's cool

in this room for now, but I brought a lamp.

This is a new addition to our to our set.

If you're listening only I'm sorry, there's now a lamp here

where there wasn't a lamp. That's the nice lamp

description. It's an IKEA lamp, man.

That's all it is. It's but it's felt fitting

because pastors are notorious for like props, right?

Or like. There's there's an Instagram

page called Pastors with Props and it's quite funny.

Usually a ladder like that's what I like single most used

like object in sermons is a ladder.

It's just just so versatile. So it's my goal to never use a

ladder in a sermon, ever, for any sermon illustration

whatsoever. But great passage, fantastic

sermon that Lindsey preached yesterday for us, a recording on

Monday, but this past Sunday on this idea that nobody lights a

lamp, puts it under a bowl. I love the fact that and like we

didn't discuss this ahead of time, but like, you know, months

ago, whenever that was when we were figuring out the the

passages and breaking it down through the summer, what passage

on what week and then Lindsey agreeing to preach this Sunday.

I think I'm just constantly amazed like God is working so

far in advance on these things than we are, which is not an

excuse to like not prepare, but it is.

I just I love how like we plan and we prepare.

And then Lindsey preached that sermon.

I'm like listening to it, only her, like she was the one like

to preach that message. She was predestined.

Well, we're not we're not going that far today on we keep using

that on today's on today's podcast.

We're not gonna dive into that one, but I just absolutely love.

So like that opening illustration, like I didn't know

any of that. When we're like, OK, this is the

week that Lindsey has agreed to preach.

Here's the passage. And I just go like, thanks,

Jesus, for working so far in advance and surprising us.

And yeah, like we, we know that that's the case.

Like I feel like this is something I know.

We shouldn't be surprised. We shouldn't be surprised,

however. And yet I'm constantly amazed,

yeah, at how these things go. So great passage.

We're still in Luke chapter 8, so it's.

Luke 8 · chapter mention

Only week what? Week 2.

It's only Week 2 and 8. But we'll be here for another

few weeks, which would be great. So our, our plan today, because

I'm not Lindsey, we are heading off on vacation later this week

and we have a million things to do.

But this is the part of my job and Lindsey also has her job and

so she won't be able to join us to, to be interviewed.

So this will be a little bit more discussion.

Grant thought up a few questions for us just to talk about and,

and I haven't even heard them yet.

So this is totally, totally off the cuff and we'll have a bit of

fun with. It and I think that if I could

say one thing just as we jump in here, you know, very likely

through the summer like this might be the flow of many of the

weeks and episodes of podcast. We don't think that that's a bad

thing. We think that it's different.

So the thing that I would say is for the summer, the episodes

will likely be less information based and tell us more about,

you know, what didn't make it into the sermon or what could

have like let's dive deeper into these points and more

application based. And I actually think that that

is a good thing for you who's listening because one of the

things we've been saying, we really want these episodes to

help you have your own conversations in greater

measure. And so word, yeah, we're focused

less here even on information for you and more on let's pose 3

questions that we bat back and forth that you can also think

through and try to answer for yourself.

And even better would be to get a group of people together, even

one other person, and discuss these exact same three

questions. So we want to give you some

questions for those discussions. So these are those if you want

to read the. Passage.

I'll read it. It's a nice short one.

So and I Lindsey yesterday read from the NRSV.

I'll I'll, I'll just read from the NIV here.

Great. So a lamp on a stand.

No one lights a lamp and hides it in a clay jar or puts it

under a under a bed. Instead, they put it on a stand

so that those who come in can see the light.

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and

nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the

open. Therefore consider carefully how

you listen. Whoever has will be given more.

Whoever does not have even wet what they think they have will

be taken away from them. Yeah.

So again, like, I just thought it was like, thanks, Jesus, that

opening story that Lindsey told about the light that was left on

in her home growing up as like a sign it had a purpose.

I just thought was like the perfect into this passage.

I was sitting next to her dad and, and when she started

talking, he, I could hear, I could hear him sort of make a

noise of like he knows exactly where this is going, right?

Right. Yeah.

Which? Is great, which is, you know,

fantastic. So three questions and we can

just sort of work them through each like 1 by 1.

We might even if we figure it out, put the question up on the

of the video for those of you watching.

And so you can feel free to pause and answer the question

for yourself before we discuss it or after we discuss.

It depends on whether you want to be influenced by our

conversation. Yeah, which will change the

nature of how you answer, I'm sure.

Yeah, But I, I guess the, the opening question for me is

simply this, Well, I say simply, but this this early question

that Lindsey posed by saying there's the good news of the

gospel, right? The good news, the gospel, the

good news of the Kingdom. She had this line that that

said, and I'm not going to quote her verbatim, but the good news

is that Jesus is king. And I went, yes, like

absolutely. And like love that.

Like that line is I, I think as a preacher, as a pastor, as a

Christian, a follower of Jesus, like that line is so crucial for

us to get and understand and really allow the reality, the

truth of what Lindsay proclaimed with that line to like to sink

deep down and cause us to wrestle stuff out.

So the question is simply like what does it mean to call Jesus

King? And if I were to add like a

couple qualifier questions, they would be How is Jesus King And

how is Jesus not King in like personally in in my life, in,

you know, my family, families, life, kind of organization

culture, you know, for us as a church, like we named Jesus

King. What does it mean?

And then where is he king? Where might he not be king?

So I'm curious how that kind of question lands for you.

I've got my own sort of my own thoughts and response, but maybe

that first one doesn't mean to call Jesus King.

It feels, I mean, I, I'd be, you know, not to answer our question

with a question, but it but it raises a question for me of is

do we, do we distinguish between Jesus as Lord and Jesus as King

and, and, and do we see those as having different implications?

Maybe we just throw that back real quickly.

I don't know if you have thoughts around that.

Yeah, yes. So Lord curious is is certainly

like AA title. Yeah, I I think we probably and

yeah, this is great. I love that we, like neither of

us, have thought through these questions because we're on the

fly. And so the reason I think about

it is because we often one of the early Christian creeds is

Jesus is Lord, not Jesus is King.

We declare Jesus as King. But it it feels a little

different, right? So yeah.

So Lord to me and like 2 weeks ago, baptism membership Sunday,

we had people who publicly declared Jesus Christ is Lord.

Yeah, that one is so curious. Lord title is a title used in

Jesus's day, not just for Jesus, but for like masters, Lords.

Like these were people who had authority over you, who could

tell you where to go and where not to go, what to do and what

not to do. And like Jesus is a time and

culture and language is steeped in master slave or master

servant relationship. Now, you know, we hear slave and

we have a very likely a very not by a biased in a bad way, but

biased or just we could read that historically, culturally a

certain way from our North American, you know, experience

and history of slavery. All of that not aside, but you

know, for Jesus's day, for his culture, the language of Lord

and Master made sense as a way to talk about somebody who had

ultimate authority over you, right?

And I think as Christians, like I do think the Lord that as

title tends to, we tend to maybe over spiritualize it in in ways

that are unhelpful that that's we think of that as a name for

Jesus or like spiritual title, like Lord and Savior, right?

And so like immediately, it's just been spiritualized in a way

that maybe doesn't have full implication of like the quite

literal authority to say, Hey, do this, don't do this, go here,

don't go here. Jesus.

We named Jesus as King. I I, I think at least for me to

call Jesus King means that I exist within his Kingdom, not my

own Kingdom. Yeah, and that has more literal,

immediate implications for my authority, non authority, and

Jesus is true, like authority over me and over all of life to

say go here, don't go here, do this, don't go, don't do this.

And so I do think they're distinct, like they are

different titles for Jesus. Probably a little bit of overlap

for sure, but I, I just think that was, I wanted to make sure

I wasn't conflating the two and, and so, and so that is helpful

in, in, in answering which you've done a little bit of.

But I, I know for me, like I, I have a better sense of even

though we are not, I guess we technically in Canada have a

king via King Charles. Yeah.

But like we know that that's more of a, a figurehead in, in

our, you know, in, in the, you know, Commonwealth.

But we have a better framework for, for kings and, and good

kings and bad kings and kings who have exercised good

authority and judgment over there over their subjects and

kings who have ruled reigns of terror.

And you can read through any monarchy and, and see that.

And, and so it's, it's helpful for me when I look at Jesus as

King to see that Jesus is the best, the best kind of king, a

benevolent king, one who is after our best interests, one

who is truly selfless, right, one who is, is looking to

looking for the, for the greater good for all, all people, right.

And, and so when I look at Jesus as King, I I think about, I

think about a, a Kingdom that is saturated in the person who we

call king, right? And so when that person, when

that person is king, when that person is exercising their

leadership and showing who they are and revealing their

character, they are indicating this is the way that I want this

to be. And so when we look at the

person of Jesus, we see his, his, his compassion for the

least of these. When we, we see his love for the

rejects, we see his compassion and zeal for even those who are

on the just on the margins And, and they, he wants to bring them

in and also for justice, right? That there is a, there's a

justice component that sometimes is, as we see even in this

passage here, there's a, there's a part where like when light

gets exposed, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's scary.

And, and a good king and a good Kingdom will bring justice in

those areas where the light is exposed and it's bad and it's,

and needs to be corrected, right.

So I mean just a few thoughts off the top of my head.

Yeah. For for me, one of the things

that it means necessarily declare Jesus King means like

you get these yet these goofy like, you know, movies where

you're like, are you going to bend the knee?

Like will you bow before me? Right?

You get this like, you know, almost comedic dramatic riffs

on, you know, power and abuse of abuse of power and in some ways.

And then you get like Lord of the Rings, like that the third

book in Tolkien's trilogy, The Return of the King.

And like, there's this long-awaited return of the true

rightful king who will bring, like you've said, like justice

to the nations. And you know, like Tolkien

there, there's just spiritual, like Christian theology and and

imagery strewn throughout that whole series.

But I think that in what I hope the best way possible, when I

think of Jesus as King, that immediately leads me to think

through, OK, how do I need to submit to this king?

Because if this, if this is who the true king is, then it

immediately like if Jesus is king, that immediately means I

am not king. Yeah.

And we like, I think human beings like, and I mean in, in

many ways, like you can go all the way back to Adam and Eve in

Genesis, like the beginning of the book and things like we like

to rule our own little kingdoms and our bent in that direction.

Like we're naturally inclined to want to be the little kings of

our little kingdoms. And you know, I used that like

little there. That's not even, that's not

like, it's not even bad or like derogatory.

I'm just saying they're little tiny versions of what God is

trying to do, you know, throughout the entire world.

And we're like, yeah, but I just want my own piece here.

So like, when I think through how is Jesus King?

How is he not? Or even like, where is Jesus

King in my life? Where is he not?

Submission becomes the language that I like to use personally

because it really challenges me. Like what am I willing to submit

and kind of open handedly give over to Jesus and say this area

of my life? You do whatever you need to do,

like expose the light. If it's good, great, and if it's

bad, great with an asterisk, right.

But like Lindsey had that line or so like it, it will be for

good. Like even where where the

Kingdom, even where the gospel exposes the light exposes what

is bad. Like that's actually for like

toward life. It's not towards shame.

It's not toward guilt. She listed it's so that you

would know life. So I look immediately like, what

are the things that I'm willing to just open handedly submit to

Jesus? And what are the things that I

go, Nope, I'm gonna hold on to this one and I'm not gonna like,

you know, I want control here. So maybe control would be like

another way in which I would think through, yeah, how am I

actively declaring Jesus Christ to be king?

How am I actively submitting to Jesus as king throughout my

entire life? Like where are the things that I

still grasp for control and what are the things that I'm willing

to let go of and just say, OK, like God, you clearly like you

know best, so have at it. And I know if like if there's

short term pain, like cliche, long term gain, no, but like I,

I know and I trust that that ultimately God is good, you

know, So, so that's the control controls.

And I think another language for helping me identify what areas

I'm actively surrendering and what areas I'm actively not

surrendering or how I'm declaring Jesus King actively

over all of it. So like my like, there are these

hot topics, right? So money would be, would be a

probably like a likely even litmus test for people.

Like, is it something that you want absolute control over?

Is it something that you're willing to let go of?

Is it something that you're allowing Jesus to direct?

Or is it something that you're like, let me deal with 90% of it

and you can direct the 10% of it, You know, So all of those

things I, I think are just helpful examples.

For and it's it's interesting that you know, your we, we had

very different answers there. And I think that, you know,

showcases a little bit of our personalities because my bench

is, you know, and this is just a part of my my challenge.

My struggle is when I hear, when I hear word like submit, I'm

like, Nope, you know, and, and, and yet, and yet there is

something amazing about a, a good king that is worthy of the

of, of submitting to right. And, and that is, that is an

area where where I, I can say, you know, like when we, you

know, sing a like a hymn, like I surrender all.

It's like I can look at Jesus and and and at least at least in

my mind, I can say that is someone worthy of offering my

my, you know, to quote another him like my heart, my mind, my

all right, and that's, you know, like but that it takes me a

little bit to get there. Right.

And and so, yeah, when it talks about like money, I'm like close

fist I I like stuff, I want stuff and work it.

It's a it's a lifelong process for me to start to just finger

by finger just. Let go, right?

Let go, yeah. 100% and I feel the same way and certainly like

money is one that you just it naturally right?

You just go, Yep, no, but like it's for fear, for anxiety for

whatever it is. But I think that's why, and I

just want to before we jump to the to the next two questions,

like I think that's why I appreciate these questions and

conversations because they do showcase that both of our

answers are good and correct and actually necessary.

Because like, so you start off by saying, I can, I can see

where Jesus is a good king. Like Jesus is the ultimate

example of a good king because of AB and C So justice, love for

widows and orphans, how he cared for those who are sick and cast

out evil spirits. And like, you start listing

these things that aren't aspirational, like virtues for

us to someday attain if we're good enough, But like they

demonstrate the goodness of who God is and they demonstrate the

character of Jesus as King. And in many ways, that's why

Jesus is the only one who can actually who can demand

submission, right, is because he's the one who ultimately like

submits himself to to God the Father as God the Son and who

willingly dies that all of that an act of submission.

Yeah. And so like, yeah, you start,

start talking about you need both of those perspectives, I

think, to get toward a healthier way to think about it.

And when I reflect on it, like what?

Like the first lie, like the first deceit and the book,

right. So you've got you've got the

devil who says, did God really say to Adam and Eve?

Did God really say like, does He really know what's best for you?

Are you sure you can trust Him? Is He really worth listening to

and submitting to? Yeah.

And like, from the very beginning, that's the lie, that

that God doesn't actually have your best in mind, that he's not

worth trusting. And so you start off by saying,

like, no, like, Jesus is the best version of what we would

call king. He's the one who gets to define

what it means to be king. That's why.

So anyways, I appreciate that that's where you start.

All right. Next.

So yeah, what does it mean to call Jesus King?

And in your own life, what does it mean to call Jesus king?

Where might you not be? Allowing Jesus to be king would

be the most challenging version of that question #2 So I've got

these list of other gospels that Lindsey listed, so.

Yeah, that was that was heavy. Well, right, great.

That was good, that was good. And I love that she didn't leave

it hanging. Like there are these other

gospels, like what other kind? And then she's like, well, let

me name some for you. So I think this is a good tag on

from the first question, but she says gospel of self, gospel of

achievement, gospel of appearance.

And then there's also others like Gospel of hate and

oppression. And I love that she also named

like a gospel of apathy. Hmm, like can't do anything

about it anyways. Why do any of it?

So Jesus, she said Jesus got Jesus Gospel reveals cracks in

those kingdoms, those other kingdoms, those other gospels

cracks like how they enslave us and lead to death and never life

shit. Just great lines man.

And I guess the one of the questions that I just naturally

start asking is, OK, what are some of the gospels that we can

allow to creep into our own life and culture and life as a

community and church? I I think I don't know that it's

like a gospel necessarily, but I think fear is a big driver of

which gospel we follow. Yeah.

So that's one that I see. And you know, I think I'm not

gonna list these like in any order.

I think, you know, maybe we're bent toward different ones, all

of us. But I think the the gospel of

self is probably one of the most rampant dangerous ones that I

see. Like if there's like a gospel of

secularism, I think that's it. Like it's, it's this itself.

It's a gospel of. Self and it but and it shows up

in, you know, in in the church walls and it shows up in in US

right. And so it's not, it's not just

something that others, you know, others deal with.

Yeah, yeah. So here's a, a specific question

that we can put in, uh, what do you think are some techniques or

ways in which we could identify some of the false gospels that

we are potentially listening to? I think it's easy to name them

out there, right? Like, you know, people don't go

to church, they're just falling prey to the gospel of this or

that. Like that's, it's so easy to

just do that. Or like that person is living

this version of this gospel. It's a lot, maybe a lot harder

to go, OK, what might I be like, you know, wrestling with?

So yeah, I'm curious on some thoughts around how like how we

identify them generally. I think there's a, a good, a

good litmus test. I think we could go on to our

phones or tablets and look at the the apps that we use the

most. Screen time, man.

Yeah, because it'll go and tell you you've been on TikTok for 8

hours this week or you've been, you know, like and, and I think

that that can be a bit of a mirror, right?

And like for me, it's, you know, it's, it's often it's if you few

years ago it was Twitter. I, I would say I found an

identity in having a social media presence and being like a

I don't even know what I call myself.

I wasn't influencer. I was not like nothing like

that, but I, I found some core identity there, right.

I've, I've all but quit. I've quit the game.

I love it, but where I just made it a conscious decision, say I'm

not gonna play that game anymore, I'm done with it.

But like, I think that's a really simple way to start to

look internally. Yeah, go onto your online

banking. That's another that's another

one. I and I know that that that's a

that's a scary that's a scary one for us, you know, or I can

look at me like I spent how much on.

Amazon. Yeah, whatever.

And sometimes sometimes necessary things, but often very

not necessary things, right. And, and so like there are some

simple ways for for like just it's, it's, it's a, it's a lamp

being illuminated, right. And sometimes we prefer to live

in the darkness. So like there's there was a

while where I was like, I'm gonna turn screen time off

because I want to live in the darkness.

OK. So that's brilliant that.

It wasn't. Brilliant.

No, no, not turning it off that point is like double down on

that point because that I think that brings it into immediate

connection with Lindsey Sermon in this passage, which is you

can choose to live in the dark. You can choose in a sense apathy

that got gospel of apathy. It's not like you're just

falling prey to it. Somebody else, Like you can

choose to not revisit all your purchases at the end of the

month and add it all up. And really be honest, you can

choose to turn screen time off. Which and just be oblivious to

how much time you spend on anything.

And I I've, I'm reforming. I'm I'm.

Me too, me too. We're, you know, working on it

and, and, and you know, like God, God is, you know, I'm

stubborn. God is slowly refining my heart

to, to say like, Hey, you don't need that.

You know, you don't need, you don't need to listen or watch a

YouTube video while you shower, you know, like just just be, be

in the moment and just do what you're doing.

You know, like there's, there's something that I'm, you know,

that I'm sort of trying to press into a bit more of these days in

that way. And and yeah.

Yeah, I love that, like single focused activities.

Yeah, right. Yeah.

We live in a constant age of like partial attention.

So we always say like, wow, like constantly distracted.

But I think that's harder. Again, it's the the blame, as it

were, on external sources that. Which they all want us to do it

right because it feeds the ad revenue and all the things

right. So there is an external force,

but also. When I say partial attention,

that makes me own it more. And I think that the third thing

that I would add to yours, which so and I love how concrete that

is, but I would say like where your attention is, your

affection will be like your affection will follow your

attention and or in other ways like your attention will direct

your affection. So what is getting your

attention and what is getting your affection is a crucial

question to answer and be honest about.

And I think the only way to be fully honest about that is to

bring somebody else into the conversation.

Otherwise it's easy just to be like, I'm gonna ignore that

part, right? Like the screen time, I'm gonna

flip it off. But as soon as you name it with

somebody, you're like, oh, no, it's hard in the best way

possible. Like you've turned the light on

or allowed the light to be turned on here.

Like time to get to. Work.

So I turned it back on and I said I Lindsey, our preacher

yesterday and also my wife. Yeah, I said here, I need you to

put in a password here so I can't turn it.

Off. I love it.

Oh, I absolutely love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So first question, second question, pay attention to other

gospels and help wrestle through yourself for others what those

might be. Identify those things.

I love how concrete those are. The last question that I think

would be fun for people to wrestle their way through and

and talk through is toward wrapping up.

Lindsey had a couple lines that talked around the word of God

being heard, being received and then being acted upon.

And it it was in this, this pulling back from Isaiah 6, but

then also Isaiah 9 where we talk about the I think she also named

Proverbs wisdom like the wise seek greater wisdom, right?

And how inside of the Kingdom. What Jesus is talking about when

he says, when we use the language, like lean in, when he

uses the language, listen, really listen.

Like what he's getting at is don't be afraid of whether

you've heard or not. Don't be afraid about whether

you like listen or not. Actively pursue listening.

Actively pursue leaning in. Those who lean in will discover

more. Those who attempt to listen will

hear. Like there's an inclination

toward this that we're supposed to have that meant to have.

And again, in, in 2 questions, how do we listen?

And also how are we listening? Because again, I think there's a

difference here. Like we can have this

aspirational conversation around how do we listen without maybe

having the honest conversation about how we are listening.

Like currently, currently. Am I a good listener in this

moment? Yeah.

And and like I know that for a long time.

Like for me, I could have these aspirational conversations that

are good and great, but then it fails to have the actual honest

conversation of OK, but am I? So how are we listening?

I think becomes such a crucial question and one of the things

that I've heard, and I'll just throw this out there.

Yeah, as as we kind of we think through this and toward a wrap

up, here is somebody once said to me, your like the degree to

which you are listening to God can be revealed by the degree to

which you're willing to say yes to God.

Like, when was the last time you said, yeah, I'm not necessarily

asking you this, but generally, when was the last time you said

yes to God in a very concrete, tangible way, Yeah.

And the question could be, well, if someone might say, well, I I

haven't heard something to respond yes to, it's like, well.

Bingo. Bingo.

That's right. Yeah.

Yeah. So I, I feel in inadequate to

answer this question, but I, I will say, um, one thing I've

been, I've been doing more and more is sitting in a chair.

I have a comfy chair that I got after my back surgery last year

and I sit in that chair with my coffee.

And now I actually will do this with devices sometimes because

I'll, I'll put in I'll put in like my air pods and noise

cancelling so that I can just like not hear the cat meowing or

whatever, right. And I will, I will sit there and

I will like do some real good deep breathing.

You know, like I think there is, there is a physiological

component to when you like slow your like the oxygen to your

brain a little bit, right. There is something physiological

that allows for like just to be present with yourself and God.

And sometimes it'll be a combo of say like scripture or say

like Electio 365 or, or prayer or whatever.

I know that you're a big journaler.

I'm, I'm not even yet an aspirational journal or maybe,

maybe at some point, but I, you know, just being, being able to

sit there and to listen and to just like not be distracted to

put in myself in a spot where I, you know, the do not disturb is

on. I'm not going to get texts.

I'm not going to like to just be comfortable and just, you know,

maybe maybe God isn't gonna drop something earth shattering.

Yeah, maybe he will. Yep.

You know, and, and to be ready for when that happens, that that

at a bare minimum, we want, we need to allow ourselves to be

poised and ready for God to to speak and for them to us to

respond. Yeah, I absolutely love that.

And so much of my practice is, is quite similar.

It it's funny. So I'm flipping back through my

notebook like this is my notebook that I carry around

everywhere. And so like I can flip back

through morning and evening chunks that I've written.

One of the things that I've started doing is actually that

keeping track of the time, like the amount of time that I've

been able to sit in silence. So I think silence and solitude

is so crucial for learning to listen to God because one of the

things that you need to become comfortable with is silence.

Like learn to be quiet and to steal your mind and to settle

into be it prayer scripture from a place of quiet.

And so one of the reasons why so for me that the two that I'll

add, so silence and solitude, like you've mentioned journaling

is because so often, way more often than not, I'm not even

gonna give it a percentage. But if it was a percentage,

probably 99 point, whatever percent, like it's not gonna be

that like big booming voice that you're like, this was a word

from God. But what I can start to see is

in the intentional moments of quiet, when I'm trying to

listen, I will write down what I think I'm hearing.

And you know, once is once, and maybe that's enough.

Maybe that was a word from God. This is like repeated patterns.

You know this thing. Very often look back, that is

exactly it is. You're convinced me, maybe.

Eventually one day, well, this is like my goal behind the whole

podcast. How do I how do I convince

people that journalists? But no, I just for me, it's So

what I never appreciated is exactly that is just being able

to look back and go, Oh God's, been saying the same thing me

for a while. Like I need to.

So, you know, doing this two-month experiment thing where

like off my phone as absolute much as possible, which I think

is a great thing for everybody and got some rules and also some

other people who are doing that alongside and I love that.

Like it's like they're a bunch of people just like, hey, that

sounds great. I'm in and one of the that that

whole like angst for me was born out of actually like repeatedly

seeing like I wish I wasn't as distracted or like.

You know, like, why do I, why do I, why am I constantly like, why

am I trying to do three things at the same time and I never

feel like I'm fully engaged with?

Like why do I walk away from like social gatherings?

Like, man, I just didn't. Like I wish I had more

meaningful conversation there. Like they're just these things

that I started to notice all the way through.

Like, you know, the main problem is my main problem is the phone.

Like it's the constant partial distraction attention thing.

And so you know what? I'm gonna try something a little

crazy and, you know, two months of it, We'll see how it goes.

But that for me, it was born out of that repeated.

Like, I wonder if this is not just my own angst.

And I wonder if this is like, hey, guys, trying to get a hold

of me in some very specific way. And we'll see.

I don't know. But it was borne out of that

consistent, like, yeah, thought through.

But I would say more important than that, learn, practice,

become comfortable with silence because that's where you're

gonna hear. So three questions for you to

think about. Yeah.

And discuss this week. We'll try to put them in the

video as well as in the description of the YouTube

description and the podcast description so that you can take

them into your week. And we do hope that you will

continue to do that, to take these questions, to take these

discussions into your week with family or friends, loved ones,

and we'll see you next time. Have a wonderful week.