(Luke 8:40-56) - Episode 27

Hello everybody, welcome to the Sunday Sit Down podcast.

You will notice that neither of us are Grant and or Justin.

I hadn't noticed. Yeah, shocking, I know.

So if you don't know who we are, my name is Abby.

I am the food cupboard coordinator for the summer here

at court. Right?

And. I'm Annabelle.

I'm the digital communications coordinator this summer.

And Annabelle also was the one who brought us the word on

Sunday morning. So that was really cool.

And Annabelle and I are super excited to be, yeah, some Gen.

Z women taking over. The pod podcast.

Just like Gen. Z does.

Takes over podcast. Yeah, basically, yeah.

So we're really excited to kind of talk a little bit about the

passage that Annabelle preached on on Sunday and some of the

things that are difficult to fit into a 2530 minute sermon.

Yeah, yeah, we're super excited. So before we kind of get yapping

away, I am going to read us this week's passage, which was from

Luke 8 verse 4256. It says Now when Jesus returned,

a crowd welcomed him for they were all expecting him.

Then a man named Cyrus, a synagogue leader, came and fell

at Jesus feet, pleading with him to come to his house because his

only daughter, a girl of about 12, was dying.

As Jesus was on his way, the crowds almost crushed him and a

woman was there who had been subject to bleeding for 12

years, but no one could heal her.

She came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak,

and immediately the bleeding stopped.

Who touched me? Jesus asked.

When they all denied it, Peter said, Master, the people are

crowding and pressing against you.

But Jesus said, Someone touched me.

I know that power has gone out from me.

Then the woman, seeing that she could not go unnoticed, came

trembling and fell at his feet. In the presence of all the

people. She told why she had touched him

and how she had been instantly healed.

Then he said to her daughter, Your faith has healed you, go in

peace. While Jesus was still speaking,

someone came from the House of Cyrus, the synagogue leader.

Your daughter is dead. He said, don't bother the

teacher anymore. Hearing this, Jesus said to

Cyrus, don't be afraid, just believe and she will be healed.

When he arrived at the House of Gyrus, he did not let anyone go

in with him except Peter, John and James, and the child's

father and mother. Meanwhile, all the people were

wailing and mourning for her. Stop wailing, Jesus said, She is

not dead, but asleep. They laughed at him, knowing

that she was dead. But he took her by the hand and

said, My child, get up. Her spirit returned, and at once

she stood up. Then Jesus told them to give her

something to eat. Her parents were astonished, but

he ordered them not to tell anyone what had happened.

It's a pretty hefty passage. A lot happens.

So much happened. And why we have a podcast.

We can go deeper than we do on Sundays.

So where do you want to? Where do you want to start us

off? Where are you itching to say?

I think, I think a main thing that we should right out of the

gate talk about is that these stories about healing, like

they're about healing and they're powerful stories, but

it's also hard. It's hard to hear about stories

about healing sometimes, especially when you're going

through seasons of life when you're not being healed or

you're needing healing or physical.

We're talking about like physical healing.

And so I think we should start there of like there's a quiet

grief in not yet in the waiting in the.

And there are a lot of people in our church community who are in

that season of waiting for healing and not knowing if or

when it will come. And that's a really difficult

place to be in, especially when you're hearing about healing.

Yeah, that that does come to pass, being being preached

about. Yeah.

And I think that's why, like, well, I was writing my sermon.

I was trying to get that message across of like, this is hard and

we don't have all the answers, but specifically, um, the you're

not less faithful if you're still sick like that.

Yeah, yeah. Like Jesus saying daughter, your

faith has healed you does not automatically mean the inverse

of that. Like your lack of faith is

hindering your healing, or you know you're somehow failing, or

God is waiting for you to just try harder to have more faith

before he allows for your healing or the healing of a

loved 1. Like, I don't think that's at

all what Jesus is saying and that our bodies that are stuck

in this world of brokenness are not representative of our

faithfulness. And that does not mean that

faith is not important, but I think it it does mean that we

can still acknowledge who God is and God's goodness and be

faithful to God in the ways that we we can and are able even when

we are sick. Yeah.

And it's not a measure of it. And that also isn't a hindrance

for us. Yeah, it's, yeah.

It's important to remember that because it's easy to, when

you're looking at these stories and Jesus literally says, like,

your faith has healed you. That was surprising.

Wow. It's 12:30, everybody.

Awesome. Like it's easy to forget and

think, oh, maybe I don't have enough faith.

Yeah, but yeah. Or I'm not, you know, I'm not

trying hard enough to approach Jesus and that's the reason that

I haven't been healed. In a similar sense, though, I

think it's also crucial to acknowledge that when we say

these are healing passages, we're not only referring to the

physical healing that's taking place, these stories in this

particular passage, our stories of physical healing, but that's

actually not even the only type of healing that's taking place.

And Jesus really, really goes out of his way to.

Showcase that. To showcase that and to provide

healing for the woman who bled for 12 years.

And then this girl and her her parents opportunities for

emotional and spiritual healing that come in conjunction with

their physical healing. And so it, you know, there's no

sectioning off of healing in Jesus's world.

Yeah, it's like Jesus isn't deliberately trying to be like,

no, no, no, don't stop, Don't stop at the physical healing.

Like that is only one thing. That is an amazing thing.

But that is not who I am. Only like, I'm not only here to

physically heal you. Yeah.

Yeah. And he does that by like, he he

stops like he's healed the woman, but he still stops to

talk to her, not to heal her physically anymore.

Like that's done. She's she's happy.

She is a happy clam of joy that she is physically healed

instantaneously is. What it is and that she felt it,

she knew when she tells, when she does eventually have to

speak, she says like I touched him and she was instantly, I was

instantly healed. So I can't even imagine just

like all of the sudden knowing that I am healed.

Of pain like it's over. It's just done that, yeah, that

level of healing. But Jesus could have just kept

walking, yeah? He was.

He was. Like he was already a man on a

mission wanted. Like, she just wanted the

physical healing. She was like, OK, if I just

touch him, she wasn't going up there being like, OK, I got to

talk to him and. He's I want him to acknowledge

me in front of these crowds that there's so many of them.

They're crushing Jesus like I love attention.

Yeah, no, she got up there and she was like, I just need to

touch his cloak. Not even him.

So like she in her mind, she's we would think that.

She's gotten what she came for. But Jesus knows there's more.

Jesus knows that there's more and Jesus was already like Gyrus

had already come to him and said my daughter is dying, please

come to my house. So Jesus is on his way to what

we would probably easily consider a much more urgent

need. Like there is a child who is

dying and there is a man of a significant amount of authority

coming to Jesus and saying I, I need you to heal my kid.

That's an insane amount of desperation, and Jesus still

takes the time to turn around and say something just happened.

Yeah, I know that power has gone out for me.

And he sets time aside to acknowledge this woman, not

outing her for the risks she took, which were significant.

Like you touched me, now I'm unclean.

Like what's? Yeah, she he wasn't.

For for her to be, you know, pushing through the crowds,

touching Jesus, like because she was bleeding under the Levitical

law, she was like ritually unclean and anybody that she

touched was also unclean. So this didn't just have to do

with her purity, but every single person she interacted

with. And if anyone found her out, the

consequences for that we're huge.

On top of the fact that because of her uncleanliness, she was

already outcast from society. She couldn't interact with

people. She couldn't worship in the

temple the way that everybody else could.

So she's already so cut off and she's taking a risk of making

that only worse. And instead Jesus turns to her

and says you are healed. He publicly acknowledges that

she is no longer unclean. He calls her daughter.

He calls her daughter and names her as worthy and whole, and

there's something so beautiful about that because he doesn't

just restore her physical body but also her social status.

I can imagine emotionally like 12 years of doctors and nobody

being able to provide you answers is exhausting and to

have that all relieved in a moment.

And not only like not having answers and like be having this

painful like thing you're going through for 12 years, but like,

she has a family. You would have to assume like

she has a family, she has friends, she had them and then

she doesn't have them for 12 years.

Like, that in itself is emotionally painful, being cut

off from everyone, you know? So, yeah, yeah.

And now she gets to go back and say, you know, not just the

priest has told me or some synagogue leader has told me

that I am healed, but like this man Jesus, who is supposedly

very powerful. Like, you know, word is getting

around if there are these crowds chasing him.

Like he is the one who has told me that my life is now changed

from now on. And that carries like weight,

like the reputation that Jesus would have had would have meant

that her testimony was incredible.

It just this story is insane. Yeah, and insane also in the way

that, like, again, he stops. I think that is the like a

pinnacle point of like, whoa, because like you said, he was on

his way to a little girl. But not even that.

Like he was following Gyrus like a synagogue leader, a guy.

He was a man. Who had following another man.

But he had a lot of power in this time.

And arguably one would say that maybe his testimony or Gyrus

speaking goodly, goodly, that's not a word.

Well of Jesus would have carried more weight.

It would have been like, oh, this cool guy, but no, he stops

and now it's a woman. Like and an unclean woman.

Unclean woman and he's like, in this time, like most people

would want to be in the good books of the synagogue leader.

And you know the purity laws, it's a lot of work to go from

being unclean to clean. Like in the Levitical laws about

bleeding. Once the bleeding has stopped,

you have to wait 7 more days and then you offer a sacrifice.

It's not easy. 1 dove or two doves.

Don't remember off the top of my head, but there's a lot of work

into this spiritual ritual changing.

It's not like I'm just gonna have a shower and we're done.

Here. And Jesus did that for her.

Yeah, in a moment. Also at cost to himself.

But we already know Jesus. Jesus doesn't care about those

tanks, no. Or maybe not that he doesn't

care, but that he has his priorities straight.

Everything for him is ordered properly.

And yeah, I do love in this passage that it does feel very

jarring that Jesus just stops what he's doing to acknowledge

this woman in a very vulnerable position.

But it's it's been a good reminder for me to remember that

all of Scripture, like the Old Testament, also tells stories of

God going out of the way to acknowledge women in their most

vulnerable situations and affirm their dignity and their worth

and their value in the Kingdom. One of my favorite kind of fun

facts about the Bible is that in Genesis, the very first person

to name God. So in the Old Testament, you'll

see a lot of like Jyra or Yahweh is a name for God or Jehovah,

and they all have slightly different meanings.

And the very first one that is ascribed to God was from a

woman. Her name was Hagar, and she was

fleeing from abuse in the desert.

She had a very, very small baby with her.

She had gotten pregnant and been cast out.

And God meets her in the wilderness and provides for her

and her son and vows to protect her done for the rest of his

life. And she names God El ROI, which

means the God who sees me. She says I have seen the one who

sees me. And this idea of.

We see it again in this passage. God's.

Stopping and seeing this woman. When he doesn't have to.

No, it's nice that he did though.

Like in our humanness, like it's like she's healed.

Like move doesn't move on like. There's a girl, there's there's

we got places. To be, to be like in our daily

life, we do this. We're like, OK, great, moving

on. I have like 10 other things I

need to do right now, but Jesus like is like no no, no, no.

In fact, like the physical healing might not even be the

most important part. Like, yeah, you know, like,

that's great. It is amazing but.

To be acknowledged by God in that way is really, really

powerful. And I think it's also a good

reminder for when we don't experience physical healing,

when we go through years and years of doctors and treatments

and pain and things that don't work, that God can still heal us

in other ways and be sufficient for us in other ways.

Like I think about the people in my life who I have watched

suffer with sickness, but who are so calm and still and steady

in their faith. Because even when God didn't

heal them physically, he met them in their hardest emotions

and in the times in their faith where they felt like they didn't

have faith. And He healed and restored those

areas of their lives in a way that allowed them to continue to

seek the presence of God even without physical healing.

Because we live with the knowledge that one day in

heaven, like our whole selves will be healed and we will get

to experience the total, complete wholeness.

I guess all those words kind of mean the same thing, but really

hammer at home. Like the crucifixion, like I

said this, it was an amazing foreshadowing, this story of

like what Jesus ultimately is here to do, which is die on the

cross for us and to take all of our brokenness and restore us in

salvation, which again means like wholeness of body, mind and

spirit. And I think that wholeness is

really shown in these passages of like, he's not just seeing

your physical needs, but he's like, no, there's.

More and long term like it's not just what we need for this

moment, but what is going to set us up for a life of fullness

moving forward. And I guess the point we're kind

of really trying to a roundabout.

Way. Trying to drive home is that

these are they're throughout the book of Luke, throughout the

Gospels, throughout the Bible, there are stories of healing.

But I think what Luke is really trying to showcase is not

necessarily the healing is the main point, but that these are

all moments where Jesus revealed himself to people and his

character and his nature to people who needed it, people who

were observing it. And as much as he acknowledged

the woman for her own sake, he also did that to showcase his

power and authority over sickness and over our bodies

that came to him, from God to the crowds.

And his care, like in the next part, he just raises a girl from

death. Like that in itself is wood.

She was sleeping. She was she was dead.

But no. But he does this and like the

parents are standing there and. Astonished.

Like they don't say anything, but if my child was all of a

sudden raised, like you're going from reef to like holy, like

amazingness. And Jesus isn't like, yeah,

applaud me or like, look at me guys.

He's like, oh. She needs.

She probably is hungry. She's been sleeping so long she

needs something and that just shows like again, who he is

like. He cares and he also Jewish like

grieving rituals were very, very communal.

And so by the time Jesus gets to the house, there are people they

are wailing. They are.

They are. Weeping their mourning and it's

this very communal mourning process and Jesus kicks them all

out of the house and so. He script again.

Allows this family this intimate moment without he reveals

himself, but not to the crowds. This time he protects the, you

know, emotions of this family and of this child, brings her

back to life and then doesn't just let everybody in and be

like, I told you guys, she was sleeping.

He says, yeah, this daughter of mine probably needs a snack.

And he so he does. He cares for our full selves.

He cares for our physical needs and also deeply for our

emotional and spiritual ones and seeks to protect that.

And that I just. I think that's so beautiful.

Yeah, but. Yeah.

I think, yeah, one of the major, like, questions while I was

going through this passage, while we were going through this

passage is like, what if healing begins with being seen and not

just fixed? Like, that's Ouch.

Yeah. But like a different way of

thinking about it is like, I don't know, is that enough?

Like really, when you're in the midst of it, like hearing like,

oh, God sees you, it's hard and you're like, OK, great, but you

know, I broke my arm or. Like yeah, I did do that.

Yeah, but like, but really like wrestling with that question is

like, what if healing begins with being seen?

Yeah. And I wonder, I mean, we'll

never know, but I wonder if that was maybe the experience of the

parents of this girl of I don't know.

I know for me, when I am grieving, it's made as an

introvert so much harder by the constant slew of people cycling

through and the IT feels very, very overwhelming for me.

And so I can just imagine the relief of this man with all of

this authority walking into my house and saying everybody out,

yeah, I would just that would yeah.

Sometimes I wish Jesus would come and do that for me still,

like you, you know, Jesus is an advocate in that way.

And I, yeah, I can just imagine how healing that would be in

that moment, to know that Jesus hadn't raised their daughter

from the dead yet, but they had someone on their team who was

looking out for them and caring for them in ways that they

couldn't articulate, even though it went entirely against the

practices of that community. Not that those practices are,

are wrong. I think there's something really

beautiful about grieving communally.

And I think that that's something.

Something we do here at like 1 things, things happen.

Like people show up with casseroles like.

They're we are a great casserole.

Church. But I think in general, it's

becoming less and less practiced.

I think we kind of wall off our grief because we have to show up

for life in other ways. And grief makes us uncomfortable

in a way that seeing mourners and people wailing outside of

someone's house wouldn't have made people uncomfortable.

If I saw that, I would be concerned on many levels.

Yeah. But I think there is something

important about inviting other people into the suffering we are

experiencing with us. And I wish I had the wisdom of

Jesus to know when things should happen in front of crowds or

when things should happen behind closed doors.

I think I don't always do a good job of that as an introvert who

would just love to always be behind.

Just keep me out of it, Jesus. But it's something to be said

that like, yes, communal, like grief coming alongside people,

amazing. But in this story, like Jesus

shoots everyone out like goodbye, you know, and it's just

him, his three closest disciples and the parents, which is crazy

in the time. But also like what he does later

is even crazy now, like he just heals this girl.

But him, like his presence, like being there, it sort of goes

hand in hand. It's like had his presence is is

it enough in the midst of this, like before the daughter is

healed before your situation changes or before like when

you're in that waiting, that pain like he Jesus is there?

Yeah, it's not wrong to ask for healing.

Yeah, yeah. But I think I feel challenged

that I should first be asking for God's presence and saying

that OK before I decide what I want or need the outcome to be.

And I almost always like I we, we desire healing because that's

how God, like God, made us to be whole.

And we live in a world where that's not the reality because

of sin. But desiring healing is not the

problem. But I think sometimes we do that

without also desiring the God who brings that healing.

We're just running to him, like in fear, in pain, in all

inspiration, like, yeah, just going to Jesus, who is already

there, like he's not. Not the parent.

Yeah, he's not not present, but sometimes it's really easy to

forget or not feel him or like be like, where?

Where are you? God, you know, but having that.

A posture. The first instinct to be to not

wall yourself off. Or not the first instinct, but

like a conscious decision of like, you know, kind of self

correcting and the like. I want to go frantic.

I feel this desperation. I am, you know, ready to break

rules to get the healing that I I desire.

And pausing, Yeah. And saying OK, I need to Orient

myself. I need to figure out where God

is in this and if I can't find him easily then I need to to ask

for him. Yeah, finding that stillness.

To show up and just slow, slowing ourselves down and also

acknowledging that that also doesn't fix anything.

Yeah. And that feeling afraid when you

know our bodies are failing or our world is crumbling is not

wrong. Yeah, like the fact that, you

know, Gyrus came to Jesus afraid because his daughter was dying,

and that is scary. And then Gyrus is told that his

daughter is dead. And Gyrus has to trust the word

of the people who who said that. And Jesus says, well, I'm like,

we're still going like she's she's not dead.

Believe like she's going to be healed.

I can't imagine that makes the fear God well away, no.

Or the grief, like yeah. But nowhere.

I mean, OK, Jesus does say don't be afraid.

Yeah, but I think there is like Jesus was afraid, Hmm, before he

went to the cross. Yeah.

Sweating blood. As you do.

As one no. No.

No is a like physiological response to intense fear.

And Jesus still went to the cross, Yeah.

So this woman, she's trembling. She's shaking.

Defied. There's a crowd, like a lot of

people. And if people find out what

she's just done, her life is worse than it already has been.

And it's been awful for 12 years.

And so I think that I think you actually said it really well on

Sunday that Jesus wasn't asking for more faith.

He was asking for Gyrus to depend on God in ways that he

hadn't before. And I think that that's a really

helpful distinction for me in my times of fear is the if my fear

is preventing me from depending on God or preventing me from

stepping out in faith, then I need to not be afraid.

But there is a way to acknowledge the limitations of

our bodies and how they express emotions, one of which being

fear, and still walk in faith, still learn to depend on Jesus

even when it doesn't make any sense, and to continue to show

up in expectation and hope that God will.

God will move, but. But it's hard like, and I said

this Sunday like it is not this kind of like, OK, just pray, you

know, pray more or just, you know, ask God for XY and Z.

It's like, no, you, you're going to be scared.

Like you said, you're going to be scared.

You could be scared, you could be desperate and you can go and

it's going to be hard. Like these two people did stuff

that was really uncomfortable. Like I don't.

Think this woman was probably wanting to tell everyone what

has been going on for 12 years in this crowd.

I wouldn't. I'd be like, can we go to

private room? Jesus.

Like Jesus, you stop. And like Gyrus, he's a synagogue

leader. Like he doesn't want to.

Who's admitting? Who's admitting his child is

dying? Yeah, and he can't do.

Anything and he can't do anything.

And elsewhere in the Gospels, can't remember off the top of my

head, there's this situation where there's this man who is

blind and the disciples are like, so was it his sin or his

parents sin that made him this way?

Jesus. Uno reversed them and said

neither. Yeah, you need to fix your

attitudes. Yeah.

But there there was that kind of understanding at the time of,

like when people are sick or people it's their fault or their

parents fault. Yeah.

Like, it comes from this idea of like generational, like how sin

carries itself through generations and.

Would have been scary. For Cyrus, because he's this man

of spiritual authority who's in a situation that could

potentially showcase to people that he's done something awful,

or his parents have done something awful or his child has

done something awful, even though that's not the case and

not what's happening. It's just, it's just hard.

Yeah. And like we, we all have

situations that it's just. Hard.

And I think it's also, I love this passage and it also

frustrates me to no end because there are so many people who

never ever get the physical healing.

And I think for me that's there's sometimes a bitterness

that comes with that of the where are the people in

Scripture who don't get healed? You know, where are the people

who go to Jesus and you know, metaphorically, like reach for

the end of his cloak in faith and nothing happens.

And I think they're, you know, like there is just no answer for

that. Yeah, and that doesn't change

who God is. But it sucks and it's not fair.

And at the same time, I think there's still so much to learn

about what Jesus desires for us, meaning that he he doesn't

desire us to not be healed, and he doesn't desire for us to

suffer, and he doesn't want us to be outcast or cut off or in

pain. And I don't have answers for

anything else. Yeah.

And like, yeah, it's hard. It's something we wrestle with.

It's something like going into this week, we encourage you to

wrestle with like those questions that you don't have

answers with for. But it's one of those, yeah, why

not now? Why like we one day we will be

restored in like eternity, like with Jesus, but why not now?

And that's hard. But I think there's something to

be said for physical healing isn't the whole point.

And that is hard and that. Is and it's so easy to focus on

like, yeah, you know. When you're going through it,

you're like, OK, cool. It's not the whole like, that's

not the reason Jesus came down. He came down to like.

Reveal himself and talk about himself and be the Messiah and

yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm hurting, and that's OK

too. Like it is OK to be frustrated

about it. But we encourage you and for us

too, like wrestle with God, with that, like talk to him.

He can take it. Yeah.

That's not that, you know, I think like I talked about this

the last time I was on the podcast about toddler temper

tantrums. But like, I really like over and

over and over again, and especially with passages like

this, feel like instead of, you know, kneeling down in front of

Jesus, trembling of like, Oh my goodness, you've healed me.

I'm like throwing myself at Jesus feet kicking and screaming

and being like, what are you doing?

Yeah, as if I have, you know, any ounce of authority to go to

Jesus like that. But.

Which is probably what Cyrus was thinking like Cyrus was probably

like, what are you? Doing Can you pick up the pace

like let's. Go my daughter is dying or my

daughter's dead and like feeling where are you?

Where were you and how? How can you move now?

Like, yeah, Jesus's lack of urgency, sometimes shocking,

makes me go pitter patter, Yeah. But being able to like, talk to

God about that, talk to Jesus about it like.

And you know, the Jesus that we learn of in this passage is

still good and worth knowing. And even if it feels like that,

Jesus feels like that, Jesus isn't present with me.

Jesus is whole in ways that we will never be.

And that can be such a comfort that whether or not I've

experienced or think I've experienced the parts of Jesus

seen here like they are there. And I can rest in the fact that

Jesus is consistent and he is perfect and whole in his care

and compassion and critique and timing in ways that I will just

never be. And that's an opportunity for us

to be still and say I'm not God, but you are.

And so I can just let the urgency pass or attempt.

Yeah, again, hard, hard. Stealing yourself, It's all

hard, bottom line. Yeah, if you're taking anything

from this podcast, like these are hard things, these are

uncomfortable things we see in the.

Passage. They're not very clear.

They are not clear. We do not have all the answers

and that. Is I'm just a girl?

Yes, the most gensy thing I've ever said.

You can look that up later, but it is OK.

And sometimes that that is the point to like wrestle with these

things. And to just really, I think

Annabelle and I, as we were chatting, really wanted to

wrestle with the like. Is just being seen by God

enough? Hmm, and.

Can you be still? What does that change?

Because it's probably, definitely not gonna change the

circumstances, but. Knowing that God has.

Can that be enough to change? Yeah.

Your outlook or your perspective or just your ability to be at

peace no matter what the circumstances are?

Yeah. Yeah.

And one day we will be whole. And that's really exciting to

look forward to, to bodies that don't break when you fall down

mountains and you know there will be no more sickness and

death. And that all has that all has a

time limit. Yeah.

But in the waiting, in the now, in the questions and the the

like the not. Hard the hard.

Hard in the hard seasons or like just general?

This is not a season like it's been going on for 12 years like.

This is my whole life, the whole calendar.

Like have being seen by God, being seen by Jesus and knowing

like he wants and is restoring you in peace.

Like cat, can we grab hold of that piece?

Like can we sit still in God's presence and be like, OK, I got

nothing left. Like, I don't, I don't know, I

don't understand, but I'm giving it to you.

Yeah, and be expectant like Gyrus and this woman who was

bleeding were at the end of themselves.

They had no options left, and that ultimately brought them

healing. But also brought them to Jesus.

Yeah, that's also. That's that's pretty cool.

Yeah. Like they?

Yeah. They're, they're like, sometimes

I'm kind of jealous I didn't live 2025 years ago because I

mean, I also live in North America.

So that pretty good impacts my ability to just run into Jesus

on my my journeying, all the journeying I do.

But yeah, but in they're desperation, it brought them to

God, it brought them to Jesus, and that's pretty cool.

And I yeah, think that that is true and can be true for us too.

Yeah, we will. I think we'll end it there.

We'll, we'll wrap it up. We'll wrap it up, but in this

coming week, in the weeks to follow, when you're finding

yourself in these seasons of hard in these seasons of.

Where are you God? What is going on?

I need healing and I don't know what's happening.

Wrestle with that question like what if healing begins with

being seen? And what does wholeness look

like for you? And then just, yeah, being still

in your desperation and yeah, um.

Yeah, if you have any questions, you can.

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