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The Evidence of Things not Seen - Joel Schrock

Halsey Mennonite Church

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  1. Good morning. Also want to welcome everyone here, visitors and

  2. home people. Thank you for being here today. I enjoyed

  3. that those thoughts on Sela. There's a lot in the

  4. service this morning that I think tie together very well

  5. with what we're talking about here this morning, and I

  6. think at a glance I wouldn't have thought about how

  7. they're all tied together. But this morning, the title of

  8. the message is the evidence of things not seen, and

  9. so I'd like to look at faith now like all subjects.

  10. To be fair, I feel like we're going to barely

  11. scratch the surface of just a couple aspects of faith,

  12. and it's probably not a real rounded view, but it's

  13. a couple of aspects that have been on my mind. Now.

  14. Some of the songs this morning right away caught my attention.

  15. An eternal Father beyond all worlds by faith. I saw

  16. worship the King in heart, ten thousand harps, Jesus rules. Now.

  17. Hopefully as we go along that connects with with faith

  18. the CHRISTI is King. Think you'll we'll get there eventually.

  19. But to me that fit very well. Impossible problems that

  20. were brought up in the devotions this morning, the faith

  21. that was required to take action, And I think as

  22. we go through this, I think we'll see and we'll

  23. probably bring this out a couple of times. I believe

  24. that God allows for us to be what's the right word, scared,

  25. maybe unsure of ourselves. He allows for some doubts, but

  26. he require requires action, and it takes faith to take

  27. those actions. So a couple of things want to look

  28. at us. What is faith? How much faith do we need?

  29. How much faith is necessary? And what does faith look like?

  30. Now we're not going to get into you know, people

  31. like to categorize things, and there's people that have faith

  32. categorized into this kind of faith, in that kind of faith.

  33. There's a journey of faith. We're all somewhere on a journey.

  34. We're all there. There's people probably with a lot of faith,

  35. with a little faith, maybe there's some with no faith.

  36. So we're not going to really address those things so much.

  37. But if you think of the word faith, you can

  38. turn to Hebrews eleven. May not come as a surprise

  39. by the title. If you think of faith, I'd like

  40. if just a couple of people, are there any words

  41. that come to mind when you think of faith? Could

  42. be a synonym, could be an action could be a person.

  43. What comes to your mind when you think of faith?

  44. Anybody have anything? I don't think there's many wrong. I

  45. suppose there are some wrong answers, you probably won't say them.

  46. I believe, help that mind, unbelief, anything else come to mind? Hope, okay, hope, obedience, trust.

  47. I'm not going to spend a bunch of time here.

  48. Those are all good. So let's look at Hebrews eleven.

  49. I'm going to read the first three verse. So I'd

  50. like you to really we know these verses, but I'd

  51. like us to truly think about them. Now. Faith, So

  52. what is faith? Now? Faith is the substance of things

  53. hoped for the evidence of things not seen for by it.

  54. The elders obtained a good report through faith. We understand

  55. that the worlds were framed by the word of God,

  56. so that things which are seen were not made of

  57. things which do appear. So Verse one. There, faith is

  58. the substance. And you think a substance, like, what's something

  59. made out of it? Can you quantify what is the substance?

  60. Looking at this word, I think it also could mean

  61. confidence or assurance. Faith is the confidence we have in

  62. things hoped for. We'll get into that hope a little

  63. more about another translation of that from what I understand,

  64. could be trust, the evidence or proof of things not seen. Now,

  65. when we say the word hope, we can think of

  66. different things, right, Like a child might say, I hope

  67. that I get a candy. You know, I hope I

  68. get this from my birth. I hope this and now

  69. hope here is not a vague rainbow chasing willy nilly

  70. word here, all right, That's not what it is. The hope,

  71. the hope that we have is a confidence. It's a

  72. confident hope. Verse three. By faith, we understand, we we

  73. can know, we perceive. We understand that the world was

  74. created by the word of God. So what we understand,

  75. we can understand that the things we see were made

  76. by something seen, the evidence of things not seen? Now,

  77. is this just a blind faith? So I'm not going

  78. to ask for you to raise your hand, but I'd

  79. like you to think, have you ever in your life

  80. question whether there's a God? I think we don't. You know,

  81. we talk and rightly so with the assumption that there's

  82. a God. I think we believe that. But I imagine

  83. we've all some time in our life at least rolled

  84. that through our head, like how do I know that?

  85. What am I sure? Or maybe a question if there

  86. is a god, what does he look like? And how

  87. can you know him? Or can you know him? Now

  88. these questions can be answered through faith because we don't

  89. see with our physical eyes the answer, and yet we

  90. can understand to the evidence of things that we don't

  91. see that might be kind of confusing. Let me give

  92. a real basic illustration. So imagine that your family or

  93. a group of friends or something. Is that a cabin

  94. in the woods, not many people around. Maybe it's winter,

  95. and you're drinking coffee, hot chocolate, playing games, visiting, whatever

  96. you're doing, and it begins to snow, sitting by an

  97. ice warm fire. It's great. The snow stops. You decide

  98. it's time to get some fresh air. So you step

  99. outside and you see footprints in the snow past your

  100. cabin and you look at your friend and you say, well,

  101. look at that. Somebody was here. Wonder who that was.

  102. And your friend looks around, looks at you, squints into

  103. the woods and says, person, I don't see any person.

  104. I don't believe that anybody came by here. Now, you'd

  105. probably wonder what was in his hot chocolate, because you

  106. know somebody was here. It's the evidence of things not seen.

  107. You cannot see the person, but there's footprints in the snow.

  108. Or maybe, uh, you're in somebody's home. There's beautiful grandfather

  109. clock in the corner, and you admire the would finish,

  110. maybe the accuracy of the time, the beautiful chimes. You

  111. admire the wisdom of the clockmaker and the intricate, intricate design,

  112. and you express that to the host, and he laughs

  113. and says, clockmaker, I don't see any clockmaker. I've never

  114. seen a clockmaker. I don't believe that a clockmaker for

  115. this clock exists. And you'd probably have to scrape your

  116. jaw off the floor because of his utter disregard of

  117. the evidence of things not seen. And we can understand

  118. that pretty clearly. Now, let me take you one step further.

  119. Maybe you look at at at another person, Maybe you

  120. look at yourself in the mirror. Maybe you look at

  121. your child, your parent, your sibling, human a human body

  122. designed in the image of God, and you wonder at

  123. the complexity the blood flowing through the body with nobody

  124. thinking about it, the breathing in and out exchange of

  125. oxygen and what all happens there reflexes everything happening seemingly

  126. on its own, and you wonder at the ability to

  127. hear and see and feel and smell and taste, and

  128. you praise the designer, the creator, for his wisdom in

  129. creating people with choice and the ability to enjoy the

  130. beauty of the creator. And then someone maybe it's in

  131. a museum, maybe it's in Maybe it's a friend, an acquaintance,

  132. maybe a book, maybe a podcast. You can't believe everything

  133. you read, and you certainly can't believe everything you hear

  134. it's yourself. But somebody tells you looks around and says, creator.

  135. I don't see a creator. I don't really know if

  136. one exists. And somehow we think that that's a more

  137. logical position people in general. I think that's a more

  138. logical position than the person disregarding footprints in the snow.

  139. So just to give us one little tiny glimpse into

  140. what's made up in a human all right, there's billions

  141. of us around. We're going to look at one tiny

  142. little part of that, and that is ourselves, all right.

  143. So one thing that's beautiful about the universe is the

  144. more powerful the telescopes and the more powerful the microscopes,

  145. the more wonder and questions there are, and answers, some answers,

  146. a few answers along the way. But there are an

  147. estimated thirty trillion cells in the average human body. Thirty trillion.

  148. That's a lot of zeros. We don't understand really what

  149. a trillion looks like. All right, So you have thirty

  150. thirty thousand, you add three zeros, thirty million, thirty billion,

  151. thirty trillion. It's a number that we can't really comprehend.

  152. It just is so huge. I did just a quick

  153. look for kind of a generic explanation of cells, and

  154. here's what they got. Human cells are incredibly complex, considered

  155. many cities. Each cell, that is, is considered a mini city,

  156. a biological activity with numerized special numerous specialized organelles, or

  157. whatever you say. The intricate molecular pathways, and a sophisticated

  158. system for managing genetic information our makeup, what we look like,

  159. what we do, all working together to perform specific functions

  160. in the body. Essentially, each cell is a highly organized

  161. system with many moving parts, making it a prime example

  162. of biological complexity. As a professor of biology, Michael Denton

  163. was his name, and he said, to grasp the reality

  164. of life as it has been revealed by molecular biology,

  165. by the microscope, by going deeper and deeper. We must

  166. magnify a cell a thousand million times until it is

  167. twenty kilometers in diameteral diameter. I'm in trouble with my

  168. words today. And it resembles a giant airship large enough

  169. to cover a city like New York or London. So

  170. if you could blow a cell up out, it's not

  171. two dimensional. So you're not just gonna blanket a city

  172. right with this big air balloon that would be sitting

  173. over an entire city like that. If you could blow

  174. it up that big, a single cell, one cell, what

  175. we would see then would be an object of unparalleled

  176. complexity and adaptive design. They're made to adapt as they go.

  177. It's a living city. On the surface of the cell,

  178. we would see millions of openings, like portholes of a

  179. vast spaceship, opening and closing to allow a continual stream

  180. of materials to float in and out. If we were

  181. to enter one of those openings, we'd find ourselves in

  182. a world of supreme technology and bewildering complexity, a complexity

  183. beyond our own creative capacities, a reality which is the

  184. very antithesis of chance. So each one of these tiny

  185. little cells is more complex than the most complex thing

  186. man is created. Take a space shuttle. They're no longer

  187. running because they're very very complex, very very expensive, and

  188. they're pretty dangerous. A couple of them blew up for

  189. various reasons. Right, each cell is more complex than that.

  190. And you have thirty trillion dollars, give or take. Right

  191. when you see this, there's an undeniable evidence that, although

  192. it's unseen to us, there's a complex power that created us.

  193. There's footprints in the snow more than footprints in the snow,

  194. and thinking about the origin of the world, there's a

  195. few options, right, And people that have ignored the footprints

  196. in the snow have come up with a couple full

  197. of scientific words and things to throw you off. But

  198. if you just boil them down, here's what they look like. Matter, dirt, rocks, things,

  199. Matter created. It came from nothing, came from nowhere, created itself.

  200. The Big Bang came from nowhere, came from nothing, created itself,

  201. and evolved into everything. Right, That's that's a pretty popular

  202. idea in the scientific world, right. Or another one, So

  203. matter created itself or it's eternal, came from nowhere, but

  204. it's been forever and evolved into everything. Okay. Are those

  205. are sort of two atheistic humanistic versions of where we

  206. came from. There's another option, and that is that an eternal,

  207. all knowing, all powerful, all present, God in his wisdom

  208. created all things. Now, these all require faith because we

  209. cannot see any of them. None of us were there

  210. when the world came into existence. But I believe one

  211. of them fits the bill for evidence of things unseen.

  212. One more thing on this and we'll move on, and

  213. that is that scientifically, we can it can be demonstrated

  214. that where there is information, there's a greater source of

  215. information that has given that information. Okay. So a simple

  216. example this would be a book and an author. If

  217. you read a book, somebody put information on paper, But

  218. which who has more information, the book or the author.

  219. Clearly the book is just a small portion of the

  220. information that the author has. Okay, And this can be

  221. demonstrated over and over again. So if we look at that,

  222. and we look at the coded information in the DNA

  223. of each of our thirty trillion cities in our bodies.

  224. You have to conclude logically that if you go back

  225. far enough, there is some being with all information, And

  226. that sounds a lot like God. So faith in God

  227. is a confidence and the evidence of things unseen but

  228. that are clearly there. Now, how much faith do we need?

  229. How much faith is necessary? I'm going to read Matthew seventeen.

  230. You can turn there if you want. This is after

  231. the Transfiguration Matthew seventeen, verses fourteen to twenty. This is

  232. Jesus and the three disciples with him, coming back off

  233. the mountain verse fourteen. And when they were come to

  234. the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling

  235. down to him and saying, Lord, have mercy on my son,

  236. for he is a lunatic and soar vexed. And for

  237. oft times he falleth into the fire and oft into

  238. the water. And I brought him to thy disciples, and

  239. they could not cure him. Then Jesus answered and said, oh,

  240. faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you?

  241. How long shall I suffer? You bring him hither to me?

  242. And Jesus rebuked the devil, and he departed out of him,

  243. and the child was cured. From that very hour. Then

  244. came the disciples to Jesus apart. They kind of waited

  245. for everyone to leave, and they said, why could not

  246. we cast him out? Jesus said, unto them, because of

  247. your unbelief. For verily, I say to you, if ye

  248. have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall

  249. stand into this mountain remove hence to yonder place, and

  250. it shall remove, and nothing shall be impossible to unto you.

  251. So think about this. Jesus chides his disciples for unbelief.

  252. I think sometimes we think, you know, if only I

  253. could have seen Jesus with my eyes, if I could

  254. have only witnessed the miracles that he performed, I would

  255. have no trouble with faith. Wrong, unless you're much better

  256. than Jesus twelve disciples. Jesus told them that if they

  257. had faith as a mustard seed, which he used to yeah,

  258. you know, it's very small, the smallest of things. Okay,

  259. very very small. If you had just a little bit

  260. of faith could move mountains. Now, some people I believe

  261. falsely use this to say basically that you have God

  262. on a lease. You just have to believe enough, and

  263. God will pretty much do what you want him to do.

  264. And if he doesn't do what you want him to do,

  265. you just don't have enough faith. I believe that's not

  266. the case. Think of Jesus in the garden. He asked

  267. for God the Father to take the bitter cup of

  268. suffering and death away from him. Did it happen? Could

  269. say no? We could also say yes it did. It

  270. was taken away from him after he went through it

  271. and experienced it. Did Jesus lack faith? Clearly not Jesus

  272. had enough faith, I believe, to put his entire trust

  273. into the Father and to ask that his will be

  274. done if we always knew what was best, and then

  275. we would be some equivalent to God in our understanding.

  276. It's simply not the case. I believe that if we

  277. ask in faith, God will answer, but it might not

  278. be how we, in our short sightedness, think that he should.

  279. Now faith is required, Some faith is required in order

  280. to please God. Back in Hebrews, Hebrews eleven and six says,

  281. but without faith it is impossible to please God. It's

  282. impossible to please him. For he that cometh to God

  283. must believe that he is, and that He is the

  284. rewarder of them that diligence we seek him. We must

  285. have some faith in God, but God can work with

  286. a very small faith of someone that is sincere. I believe,

  287. and again I believe. As we continue, we will see

  288. that God allows for questions, he allows for faltering, but

  289. he requires action. So what does faith look like? Hebrews

  290. eleven is a great place to look for what faith

  291. might look like in real life, real people, in real situations,

  292. and it can look a lot different from situation a situation.

  293. I was impressed at the different ways that faith godly people,

  294. how faith looked with different godly people. Not going to

  295. go over them all all the ones in Hebrews eleven.

  296. But what did faith look like with Abel? While he

  297. offered his best to God? That was one thing? Noah?

  298. What did faith look like with Noah? He believed God,

  299. and he obeyed God and built an arc for the

  300. salvation of man and people. Abraham is given a lot

  301. of space in Hebrews eleven a couple different times, great

  302. hero of faith, and he would be a great We're

  303. not going to spend a lot of time on him,

  304. but he'd be a really good one to look at

  305. different parts of his life. But he left the security

  306. of his homeland to follow God God's command. He'd left

  307. something seen and known for something unknown, and later we

  308. know with offering his son there Sarah believed God's promised

  309. to Abraham. We have Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, all different things Moses.

  310. Moses gave up what he knew he had. He actually

  311. had some things. He had an education, he had wealth,

  312. he had power, the pleasures of sin, and he gave

  313. that all up for an unseen promise. He had faith,

  314. and he never even got to experience physically the earthly

  315. land of promise. Tremendous faith. Then the writer kind of says,

  316. you know what, I don't have enough time. There's so

  317. many heroes of faith, and he lists off a few

  318. judges and kings and prophets, and then he goes on

  319. to explain what some of this looked like. I'm going

  320. to read Hebrews eleven thirty three through forty. And this

  321. is after you listed off a few names, kind of

  322. gave up for the sake of time, looks like, but

  323. who through faith subdued? Can so look this list here?

  324. Subdued kingdoms, rot righteousness, obtained promises. Stop the mouths of

  325. lions quenched, the violence of fire, escaped the edge of

  326. the sword. Out of weakness, were made strong, wax valiant

  327. in fight, turned to flight, the armies of the aliens,

  328. women received their dead raised to life again. Now, if

  329. you just stop there, that's a pretty neat list, all right,

  330. Faith looks pretty attractive. Let's keep reading. And others were tortured,

  331. not accepting deliverance that they might obtain a better resurrection.

  332. And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, the

  333. am or over, and of bonds and imprisonment. They were stoned,

  334. they were saun asunder, were tempted or slain with a sword.

  335. They wondered about in sheep skins and goat skins, being destitute, afflicted,

  336. tormented of whom the world was not worthy. They wondered

  337. in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves

  338. of the earth. And these all the stories, the good,

  339. we would say, the good stories, and the bad stories.

  340. These all, having obtained a good report through faith, received

  341. not the promise in their lifetime. God having provided some

  342. better thing for us, that they, without us should not

  343. be made perfect. These people had faith. But did you

  344. notice something here? God used the faith of some for powerful, victorious,

  345. glorious victories, and he used the faith of others to

  346. endure persecution and even to be killed for his sake.

  347. You know, you think of some of the people we

  348. think might be so. King David is mentioned. He was

  349. a victorious king, built the glorious kingdom, had a lot

  350. of respect. And it looks like we think one of

  351. the people alluded to here might be Isaiah, who, according

  352. to tradition, was sauna asunder the servants of King Manass.

  353. I believe might have that right. Those men are both

  354. heroes of faith, and God used them in dramatically different

  355. ways with dramatically different earthly outcomes, but they had faith

  356. in the future. Now, I'd like to look at one

  357. man mentioned here. He's the first one listed in the

  358. group of judges, and I was it was suggested to

  359. me by one of my children that I talk about

  360. this man sometime because his he knew the name, didn't

  361. really know the story, but he didn't know there was

  362. a sword of the Lord and a Gideon somewhere, And

  363. it turns out it kind of fits in here. So

  364. you can turn to Judge six if you want six,

  365. seven and eight. Very interesting story. I'm not gonna read

  366. it all, going to kind of go through a bunch

  367. of six and seven, read a few verses. Yeah, we

  368. would certainly run out of time if we followed the

  369. whole story of Gideon here. But Judges can be a

  370. frustrating book to read through. You know, you have victories,

  371. great victories, then it seems like apostasy idolatry, and then

  372. some outside force comes and conquers them and they're in slavery,

  373. and then they remember God and cry out to God,

  374. and God sends a judge, some struck man, and they

  375. throw off the enemy, and maybe they live in victory

  376. for the time until that judge dies, and then the

  377. cycle starts over. Well, here we are. They've been in

  378. bondage basically to the Midianites, running scared from the Midianites

  379. for seven years. I believed they oppressed the Israelites, as

  380. I understand that the Midianites, the Amalakites, were warring herdsmen

  381. that moved around, and a lot of the Israelites, like

  382. they had their cities and they were farmers, and they

  383. had their places to be and This brought them into

  384. a lot of conflict, as the Midianites would move in

  385. and come through, and for seven years they ravaged Israel,

  386. to the point that the children of Israel made dens,

  387. caves and strongholds in the mountains, and they'd try to

  388. plant crops, but the Midianites would come through, and it

  389. says that they their livestock and their camels, all without number,

  390. would enter the land to destroy I think this is

  391. more than just grazing everything. I think the Midianites really

  392. wanted to destroy the place. And Israel was finally so

  393. desperate they remembered God and they cried out to him,

  394. and God answers, and here's his answer. It's not entirely comforting.

  395. It's Judge six eight through ten. The Lord sent a

  396. prophet he's unnamed, unto the children of Israel, which said,

  397. unto them, thus saith, the Lord, God of Israel, I

  398. brought you up from Egypt, and brought you forth out

  399. of the house of bondage. And I delivered you out

  400. of the hand of the Egyptians and out of the

  401. hand of all that oppressed you, and drave them out

  402. from before you, and gave you their land and I said,

  403. unto you, I am the Lord, your god, fear not

  404. the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell,

  405. But ye have not obeyed my voice. And as far

  406. as I know, that was the end of the message.

  407. Not a real conclusion there. Now, Gideon, I don't know

  408. that we know much about him, you know from before this,

  409. But he's out trying to make a little bit of

  410. a living. He's threshing some wheat, and he's trying to

  411. hide from the Midianites. He's kind of down. I don't

  412. know how this is set up exactly, but the wine

  413. press youse trying to stay out of sight. And he

  414. must have been kind of startled when an angel of

  415. the Lord showed up and he said, the Lord is

  416. with thee the mighty man of Valor. And Gideon's response, now,

  417. remember seven years he's old enough to have sons that

  418. can at least carry a sword around. It looks like

  419. he would remember before seven years ago ago. And he said, oh,

  420. my Lord, if the Lord be with us, why then

  421. is all this befallen us? And where be all his

  422. miracles which our fathers told us of, saying, did not

  423. the Lord bring us up from Egypt. But now the

  424. Lord hath forsaken us and delivered us into the hands

  425. of the Midianites. Now there's a bit of a back

  426. and forth here between the Angel of the Lord and Gideon.

  427. Going to read that verses fourteen through eighteen. And the

  428. Lord looked upon him and said, go in this thy might,

  429. and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites.

  430. Have I not sent thee? And he said, unto them, Oh,

  431. my Lord, wherewith shall I save Israel? Behold, my family

  432. is poor and manassa, and I'm the least of my

  433. father's house. And I presume everybody was poor about now.

  434. But I think he was under selling himself just a

  435. little bit. From what we read later. The Lord didn't

  436. even address that. He said, unto him, surely I will

  437. be with Thee, and thou shalt smite the Midianites as

  438. one man. Then Gideon seventeen, and he said, unto him,

  439. if now I have found grace in thy sight, then

  440. show me a sign that thou talkest with me. And

  441. he says, don't leave. I'm gonna go in and bring

  442. you a present. Stay here, and he says, I'll stare

  443. so Gideon went and he prepared a kid now and

  444. I loving cakes and broth, and I imagine this was

  445. a real sacrifice. But he prepared it and he brings

  446. it out, and the Angel said, go ahead and put

  447. the food on the rock over there. Poured out the

  448. broth on top of it, nice and wet, and the

  449. Angel of the Lord touched it with his staff and fire,

  450. it says, came out up from the rock and consumed it,

  451. consumed everything, and then the angel disappeared. Look, it seems

  452. to me like the Lord U is an angel in

  453. a physical sense, and being to introduce himself here to Gideon.

  454. Gideon was afraid, and rightly so. And he said, alas o,

  455. Lord God, for because I have seen an angel of

  456. the Lord face to face, and then the Lord speaks

  457. to him. Don't know how this all worked, it says

  458. the Lord comforted him and said, peace be unto thee.

  459. Fear not thou shalt not die. So Gideon builds, and

  460. we're gonna kind of skip a few things here, but

  461. Gideon builds an altar to the Lord. There that night,

  462. the Lord instructed Gideon. He said, you need to go out,

  463. You need to take your father there's second bulllock. I

  464. believe it says the seventh year, you need to tear

  465. down the altar and statue of Bail, and you need

  466. to build a new altar. To me. On top of that,

  467. you need to cut down the grove to Bail and

  468. use that wood to burn a sacrifice of this bulllock

  469. to me. Now, this is kind of interesting because Gideon's father,

  470. joe Ash had some bulllocks apparently, and the altar in

  471. the grove was apparently his he set up. So apparently

  472. they did have some clout at least in the area.

  473. And Gideon took ten servants with him to do this,

  474. got them from somewhere. So but we see, now, just

  475. think of this. God introduced himself to Gideon through an angel.

  476. He sees a sacrifice burnt right out from the rock.

  477. God speaks to him like face to face. Didn't see him,

  478. I presume, but speaks to him, and Gideon is afraid.

  479. Gideon is afraid of his family and he's afraid of

  480. the townspeople. So he sneaks out at night with his

  481. ten servants and did everything the Lord said. In the morning,

  482. the people said, who did this? Now, remember the children

  483. of Israel cried out to the Lord. And the Lord

  484. said to prophet and said, I am God. I told

  485. you not to worship these people, these idols. But there

  486. so you'd think they would think, you know, there's some

  487. wisdom in this, But no. The people came to joe Ash,

  488. Gideon's father, and said, bring out thy son, that he

  489. may die because he cast down the altar to bail,

  490. and because he cut down the grove. Now somewhere in

  491. here joe Ash apparently caught the message, and he answered,

  492. and this, as far as I can tell, was kind

  493. of his deal, this altar to bail. But he said,

  494. will you plead for bail? Will ye save him? He

  495. that will plead for him, let him be put to death.

  496. Yet this morning, if he be a god, let him

  497. plead for himself. And so they called. Apparently that settled

  498. the matter, and they called Gideon, I don't know exactly

  499. jered bail something like that, which means let bail contend

  500. with him. And that was the end of that. Now,

  501. apparently about this time the Midi Nites Amalkites, all the

  502. children of the East, it says, gathered together move their

  503. tents in into one areas valley, and the spirit of

  504. the Lord came on Gideon, and he blew a trumpet,

  505. sent messengers around and called in people from looks like

  506. four tribes. I don't know why I stopped there. Later

  507. the Ephrmites were pretty offended about this being left out.

  508. It's a little clique he had going on here. But

  509. Gideon then asks for a very clear sign from the Lord,

  510. and these we know very clearly. This is kind of

  511. what we know Gideon. A couple things know about Gideon.

  512. One is the fleece, right, and think of all that

  513. Gideon has seen and heard by now, the direct commands

  514. from the Lord. But he says, he says, here he

  515. first saw, he asked God. He has his wool fleece.

  516. He says, Okay, let this fleece be wet and the

  517. ground all around it dry, and then I'll know. I'll

  518. know then. And next morning, so he has this apparently

  519. this group there, I don't know what they were doing

  520. for a couple of days. And in the morning he

  521. goes out and the ground's dry, and he gets the

  522. fleece and it's soppingly. It wrings it out, feels a

  523. whole bowlful, and then like as if that wasn't enough.

  524. Apparently he kind of thought maybe he was skating on

  525. thin ice. And he says to God, he says, let

  526. not thine anger be hot against me, and I will

  527. speak but this once. And then he asked God to

  528. do just the opposite. And God's response was and God

  529. did so that night. We don't see God getting impatient

  530. here with Gideon. He doesn't argue and say, Gideon, man

  531. up and have a little faith. But God used Gideon

  532. right where he was. And I believe Gideon's on a

  533. journey of faith here. He's questioning every move, but he

  534. fulfills the action that God asked of him. Now, about

  535. this time, Gideon had about thirty two thousand soldiers. That's

  536. a pretty good sized group. But the Midianites, we can

  537. count them up, count up the ones that were slain

  538. at least in chapter eight, and it looks like there

  539. must have been at least one hundred and thirty five

  540. thousand Midianites, Amalekites, whoever all was there, and Camels without number,

  541. like they had the upper hand. Gideon was completely outmatched.

  542. Now just for a little visual youth, boys in the wing,

  543. why don't you all come up here? All you boys

  544. that are in the youth, go ahead, stand up, come up.

  545. See how many of you are there are? Come over

  546. on this side. Stand over here till I say to stop. Okay,

  547. George go over there. Isaac stay over here, Isaac Tyson,

  548. Garth stay here. The rest of you can go sit down. Sorry,

  549. we don't need you. We'll like you anyways. Okay, so

  550. stand over here and kind of face each other a

  551. little bit. Now I realize they got Garth over here.

  552. But if you are really to pit these against each

  553. other in battle, you'd probably kind of go with this screwp.

  554. Roughly speaking, this represents this represents one hundred and thirty

  555. five thousand, and this represents the thirty two thousand and

  556. Gideon may have started to, you know, take some courage.

  557. Look at these men, tough men, strong man might be

  558. able to pull this off. And then the Lord spoke,

  559. and the Lord said, Gideon, you have too many people

  560. with you. I cannot let you. I cannot deliver them

  561. into your hands because there's too many. I'm afraid that

  562. you're gonna take the glory to yourselves. So he said,

  563. go down, Gideon. Tell your men that if they're afraid,

  564. they can go home. So Gideon goes down and he

  565. tells them and we're just gonna take Isaac and Tyson

  566. say you're afraid and you can go sit down, all right,

  567. And this is approximately what we're left with. But now

  568. Gideon's like, you know what, I have ten thousand. Who

  569. knows what he was thinking, but he could have been like,

  570. you know, I have ten thousand of the strongest, smartest,

  571. bravest men. This might be all right. And Lord speaks

  572. again and he says, Gideon, you have too many people.

  573. I cannot deliver them into your hand because there's too

  574. many of you. And I'm afraid you'll be proud, essentially,

  575. and these men were all brave. They stayed. So he says,

  576. go down to the river, and the people, the ones

  577. that I say will stay, we'll stay. The ones say

  578. I will go, We'll go watch them drink. The ones

  579. that lap like a dog will stay. And the ones

  580. that kneel down and drink right out of the river

  581. are gonna go home. And Gideon must have been watching

  582. this and thinking, I think the Lord got this mixed up,

  583. because almost nobody lap like a dog. At the end,

  584. it was three hundred. Now, if we're gonna look at this.

  585. We don't have enough people here, and we don't want

  586. to like have half people and quarter people and everything.

  587. So we'll just kind of imagine for a little bit,

  588. if we had three hundred people here, like let's say

  589. Garth is three hundred people, then we'd have to have

  590. four hundred and fifty over here right to match what

  591. hundred and thirty five one thousand looks like a right one.

  592. The odds were one man to four hundred and fifty.

  593. All right, you can go, you can all go. Sit down.

  594. We don't have fourhundred and fifty people to bring up.

  595. So now an interesting thing happens. The Lord tells Gideon,

  596. get up, go down to the host, and I will

  597. deliver them into your hand. But then notice what God does.

  598. He gives room for Gideon's doubts. He suggested it. He said, Gideon,

  599. if you're afraid, if you're still afraid, you take your

  600. servant and you go down and you listen to what

  601. they're saying in the camp of Midian. And so we're

  602. going to read that chapter seven, verses thirteen to fifteen.

  603. And when Gideon was come behold, there was a man

  604. that told a dream and to his fellow and said, behold,

  605. I dreamed a dream, and lo, a cake of barley

  606. bread tumbled into the host of Midian. Tiny little thing

  607. rolled in and came into a tent and smote it

  608. that it fell and overturned it, and the tent lay along.

  609. And his fellow answered and said, this is nothing else

  610. save the sword of Gideon, the son of Joash, a

  611. man of Israel. Into his hand, hath God delivered Midian

  612. and the host. And Gideon took courage, and he went up,

  613. and he told his three hundred men, arise, the Lord

  614. delivered into your hand the host of Midian. And they

  615. took with them. In their left hand they had a lantern,

  616. some torch lamp with I guess a clay pot over

  617. it to cover it. In the right hand they had

  618. a trumpet, and I presume they had a sword with

  619. them somewhere, because they did some real fighting later. And

  620. Gideon said, do as I do as I do, And

  621. they surrounded the camp in hundreds, and at the same time,

  622. at his leading, they crashed all three hundred of those

  623. pitch and three hundred flames shown, and three hundred trumpets blue,

  624. and three hundred men yelled at the top of their lungs.

  625. And I don't know how this valley was. I don't know,

  626. you know, but this is surround sound, all right, so

  627. you can appreciate that the sword of the Lord and

  628. of Gideon and pandemonium broke out, and the people in

  629. the valley started fighting each other and trying to flee,

  630. and they sent and at all this commotion, and I

  631. don't know if they sent messengers, but the other people,

  632. maybe that had gone home, came out and started chasing

  633. these people. And they called for the Ephramites for the

  634. first time. And the Ephraimites went and took the waters

  635. of beth Bara and Jordan, and I believe they were

  636. cutting off an escape there the Ephramites, and they captured

  637. Midi Nite princes. And now we get to chapter eight,

  638. and we just don't have time to go through this.

  639. But Gideon pursued the kings of Midian. He was denied

  640. food along the way. He comes back and deals with

  641. that later. There's a lot more. This is a really

  642. interesting chapter. Chapter It's interesting, but I want to look here.

  643. Verse twenty eight says thus was Midian subdued before the

  644. children of Israel. So they lifted up their heads no more.

  645. And the country was in quietness for forty years during

  646. the days of Gideon. And we go back to verse

  647. twenty two and twenty three, and here's what the children

  648. of Israel say to Gideon. Rule thou over us, both

  649. thou and thy Son, and thy Son's son also for

  650. thou hast delivered us from the hand of Midian. Now

  651. what does a mature or a maturing faith look like?

  652. Verse twenty three Gideon said, unto them, I will not

  653. rule over you, neither shall my son rule over you.

  654. The Lord shall rule over you. And I believe, connecting

  655. those songs of about the about God being King, Jesus reigning,

  656. I believe him a tour of faith will humbly recognize

  657. there's a journey right, need some faith, and God allows

  658. us to ask questions and to do these things. But

  659. I believe I'm a tour of faith, will then humbly

  660. recognize that God and God only is king. Thank you.

  661. That's how