Loving One Another (Kirk Giles) | Devoted

Good morning, everyone. Take your Bibles.

Open up to the Gospel of John chapter 15.

John 15 · chapter mention

John chapter 15. That's page 958.

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If you're using one of the Bibles in the seat around you,

if you don't have a Bible, please take one of those.

That's our gift to you today. I want to welcome some people

who are joining us. First of all, I want to welcome

our family a forward Kitchener who are joining us for our

sermon series this month. And we also have a group of

students from Heritage College and Seminary who are here

joining us today. They are down here near the

front. Everybody wave.

Good to see you guys. Glad to have you with us.

And I want to make everybody aware as well that we have

another baptism service coming up.

It's so amazing to see what God is doing in our church family

and more people coming to faith. And so on October the 5th here

in Cambridge is going to be a baptism service.

We're also going to have a baptism service for those of you

in Kitchener. We're going to have one in

October as well. So if you have not yet been

baptized, just text the word baptism to our text number and

we will make sure that you get set up for our next baptism

service coming up in a couple of weeks.

All right, in honor of our friends from Heritage who are

here today, let me ask you this question.

How many of you would say you were really good students in

school? None of the Heritage students

raised their hands, which is kind of awesome right now.

I think some of us like we thrive when we're in school and

we're kind of, we just love sitting listening to somebody

teach us and lecture us and we just love, we're academic in

nature. We love, we feed off of the

academics of school. Others, others of us are like,

how fast can I get out of this classroom and just go and live

the real life? And we've learned by doing.

Some of us are wired to just do things and that's how we learn.

The truth is we need both. We we need both to be taught

what is right and the right way of doing things.

And we also need to get out there and experience some things

and learn by experience. Like for example, when you

learned how to drive, there is the classroom information that

you needed to get, which all of us hated sitting through.

All right, who's the one person that enjoyed driving school,

sitting in the classroom listening like all of us hated

guys like just let me get behind the wheel of a car and we all

think we know how to drive. We're given the information

about how to drive on slippery roads until the first time we

get out and drive on a slippery road.

And then we realized we didn't know as much as we thought we

knew. The first time for me was it

ended up in me rear ending the car in front of me, driving my

dad's car on his birthday with him sitting in the passenger

seat beside me. It was a tough way to learn how

to drive on slippery roads. One of the things I love about

the Christian life is that it is not merely God giving us a bunch

of information to know. It's not us sitting and

listening to a whole bunch of sermons and going to a whole

bunch of Bible studies, which are really important by the way.

We need the information of God's Word.

But the Christian life is always meant to be lived out.

It is a life that is not about an hour on Sunday morning, but

it is a way of life that we do 24 hours in a day, seven days in

a week, 365 days in a year. And so today we're going to

continue sitting at the feet of Jesus as he teaches us some

things, but then we're going to understand how he connects this

to the real world, what he's looking for in our lives

tomorrow morning and maybe even today after church is done.

But before we do that, let me just remind you where we've been

the last couple of weeks. We started a couple of weeks ago

in this series reminding ourselves that the Christian

life is not primarily about what we do.

It is what Jesus has done. That Jesus went and died on the

cross for our sins so that we could be made right with God.

There's nothing you or I could ever do to make ourselves right

with God. Last week, though, we talked

about how that's not the end of the story.

That God's desire and design for our lives as humans and as

Christians, is that your life, my life, would be increasingly

fruitful. What that means is that our

lives are increasingly looking and sounding more and more like

Jesus over the course of our entire lifetime.

But fruitfulness, this idea of fruitfulness doesn't happen by

us working harder and saying, I'm going to manufacture

fruitfulness in my life. I'm going to prove to people

that I'm a Christian. Jesus says that you can only

bear fruit if you abide in Christ.

So we talked about how abiding is this love relationship.

It's a love relationship where we receive God's love for us.

We rest in His love for us, and then we turn it around and

express our love to God in return.

And that's what it means in part to abide in Christ.

Well, today we're going to continue working through this

teaching of Jesus about what it looks like to abide in him.

So open into John chapter 15, and I want to begin reading

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where we left off last week. In verse 9, Jesus says as the

Father has loved me, I have also loved you.

Remain in my love. If you keep my commands, you

will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands

and remain in His love. I have told you these things so

that my joy may be in you and your joy may be complete.

This is my command. Love one another as I have loved

you. No one has greater love than

this to lay down his life for his friends.

You are my friends if you do what I command you.

I do not call you servants anymore because a servant

doesn't know what his master is doing.

I've called you friends because I've made known to you

everything I have heard from my Father.

Here's the big idea I want us to keep in mind through the service

this morning. Abiding in Christ requires

loving one another the way that Jesus has loved you.

That abiding in Christ is not something that's limited to your

quiet times of praying and reading your Bible.

It's a real world, everyday decision to say I'm going to

live every part of my life in obedience to Jesus.

That's what Jesus says in these verses.

And now for Jesus, he's making that first connection of what

does it mean to live in real world everyday obedience to him

by saying it looks like loving one another.

There is quite often this disconnect with a lot of people

between loving God and loving one another.

We for some reason think of these as being in two completely

separate boxes in our life. We we have this inability to

kind of see them as being united as one command.

We, we treat them like, I can love God, but really be annoyed

with other people at the same time.

For, for example, if you've ever had an argument with your family

on the way to church, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

You could be upset, you could be frustrated.

You could be yelling at your kids because they're just not

behaving this morning. And then you walk in the doors

of church and the music starts playing and the pastor starts

preaching. You're like, Hallelujah, I love

you Jesus so much, right? And that's not loving God in

that moment. In the eyes of Jesus, there's

this direct connection and link between your love for him and

your love for one another. When Jesus was asked what is the

greatest commandment, he said the greatest command is you love

God with all of your heart, soul, mind and strength.

But then he said, the second is what like unto it that you love

your neighbor as yourself? When Jesus says love one

another, I want you to think about it this way.

Think about it in terms of family.

Think about it in terms of your family and our Christian family,

our brothers and sisters in Christ, because Jesus is

specifically talking about within Christian community.

Yeah, you can take this idea of loving one another and apply it

to all kinds of relationships, but he is specifically talking

about within the Christian family.

The Bible has about 59 commands to talk about one another's in

Scripture, and all of them refer to how we are to relate to each

other as Christians. And so in order to become

increasingly fruitful with your life, you have to love one

another, but not just in this generic sense of going, yeah, of

course I love everyone, not just in that generic sense, but at

the standard that Jesus has set that that's what he says, love

one another as I have loved you. And so in these verses, we're

going to see from Jesus three very specific ways that he's

displayed his love for you and what that means, what that looks

like in the ways that we are to love one another in the same

way. Here's the first one.

Loving one another means your desire is for the ultimate good

of the other person. In your heart of hearts, do you

really want what's best for the other person?

In verse 11, Jesus tells us that the reason he's saying

everything he's saying about abiding in Christ is that His

desire is for his joy to be in you and for your joy to be made

complete. He he has this motivation of why

He's wanting you to abide in him, because Jesus already knows

the joy of living a fruitful life.

He already knows all that he receives in being in unity with

God the Father, and He wants you to experience the exact same

thing. And I, I don't know if you've

ever thought about Jesus as being a happy person before.

I, I, I think most of us, we thought of Jesus as being kind

or gentle or caring. Maybe we thought of Jesus as

being bold and courageous. But I've not heard a lot of

Christians talk about the word happy when they talk about

Jesus. But what Jesus is saying here is

I want my happiness. I want my joy to flow into you.

That's my desire for you. In Hebrews chapter 1, we're told

Hebrews 1 · chapter mention

that God has anointed Jesus with the oil of joy.

John Piper describes Jesus as the happiest being in the entire

universe, and I wonder how our view of Jesus would change.

If we view Jesus as being happy, I wonder how our view of being a

disciple of Jesus would change if we saw that abiding in Christ

means that Jesus wants to take his joy and have that flow into

our lives and overflow out of our lives so that we are happy

people. Everything that Jesus desires,

why he loves you is because it is for your good.

So think about, think about the people sitting around you today.

Think about the other Christian friends in your life.

Think about your own family or even your own marriage.

How often are you driven by the idea?

What would be the best thing for the other person?

I don't mean the casual, I mean always driven by the thought

what would be the best for them? Think about those times where

you get into a disagreement with someone.

How often when you're going to be honest before God?

How often when you're in a disagreement with someone, are

you really looking through the lens of what would be the best

thing for that person right now? Not very.

I don't do it very often. When I'm in a disagreement with

someone, it's usually like, I just want to prove you wrong.

I'm not always sitting there thinking about what is genuinely

the best thing for this other person.

When you're at church on Sunday, do you ever think about what

would be the best for the other people that are sitting around

me? Or is your primary interest?

What am I getting out of today? Now, because I love you and I'll

give you the benefit of the doubt, I think most of us do

have people in our lives that we go.

We genuinely want the best for that other person.

But this command to love one another is all-encompassing.

It's not like just for your little group of people.

It's an all-encompassing command that we are to have this desire

for every single person wanting the best for them.

Now here's what else we need to consider.

When Jesus desires your good, it's not the same thing as

agreeing with you on how you would define what would make you

happy. Like Jesus never showed up and

come to give every person what they felt was going to make them

happiest. He came to give them something

even better because he knew the joy that he was experiencing was

even better than whatever they were going looking for to give

them joy. And so he says, I want to give

you my joy. I want to give you my happiness

because it's better. Sometimes we're going to see

Jesus when we read through the Gospels.

We'll see Jesus showing up and giving people what they think

they need in the moment. But a lot of times you're also

going to see Jesus show up and he's going to teach people

something different than what they think is going to make them

happy. Sometimes He is there to

graciously care for you and provide for you in a moment, and

sometimes He's there to also correct you.

He is, as John chapter 1 says, filled with both grace and

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truth. Jesus loves you enough to always

tell you the truth, not because He's out to get you, but because

His heart is that you would be able to experience the same joy

that He has. And I think this can be such a

lost part of what it really means to love one another

because all of us, whether we want to admit it or not, we lean

into grace or truth. We are naturally wired as people

to kind of like, I love to tell people truth or I'm a little bit

more gracious with things. Rarely are we filled with both.

Like some of us, some of you in this room, you are wired for

confrontation. There.

There are some of us who all we want to do is be angry and

challenge everybody all the time.

We always want to tell everybody else what they're doing wrong.

And if that's you, if you find yourself as being I am the truth

teller to always tell everybody else what they're doing wrong.

You need to check your heart and your motives and ask yourself

the question, do I really actually care about this person?

Do you really desire the best for the other person, or do you

just want to be right and get them to say that you're right?

Always remember that even when Jesus corrects his followers,

it's because his desire is for their joy.

Many of us are. We're wired the opposite way.

Like we hate any type of conflict or disagreement at all.

So all we do is we always give in to whatever the other person

thinks is going to make them happiest, whatever they want.

Imagine if we did that with kids all the time.

Like for those of you who are parents, imagine if every time

your kids said this is what I want, you said yes, dentists

would be far richer people than they already are because of all

the candy that would be eaten, right?

We all inherently know that we can't say yes to everything that

everybody wants. But sometimes because we're kind

and we're caring and we're compassionate, we just kind of

let everybody go along with the flow, even if it's actually bad

for them. If you really want the best for

another person, sometimes you have to speak up.

Loving one another is going to mean that your deepest desires

for the ultimate good of the other person.

Here's the second thing Jesus teaches us.

Loving one another means sacrificially serving others.

Look at verse 13. Jesus says no one has greater

love than this, to lay down his life for his friends.

I want to give some context to where we find ourselves here in

John chapter 15. This is part of what is called

John 15 · chapter mention

the Upper Room discourse. We're sitting in the middle of

the conversation that Jesus is having with his disciples the

night before he is about to be crucified.

For three years, every single day, this group of disciples,

this group of friends of Jesus had spent every single day with

him. They laughed together, they

cried together. They've seen miracles take

place. They've seen people's lives

change together. But nothing that they had

experienced to this point would compare to what was about to

happen in the next 24 hours. Tell me something.

What would you think about willingly getting arrested,

beaten up, spitted on? That's not a word.

Spitted, spat on, flogged, humiliated, and brutally

murdered for the sake of someone who's going to live 2000 years

later. I don't know any person who

thinks like that, but that's what Jesus did for you.

He willingly went to the cross, you and I.

We are sinners by nature and by choice.

And the Bible says every single human being is in that place and

we all deserve the judgment of God on our lives.

But it also says but Jesus. But Jesus lays down his life in

your place. Jesus takes the judgment that

you and I deserve. And why?

Because he loves you and He wants the very best for you.

He gives his life so you can have eternal life.

If you're here today and you don't know Jesus as Lord and

Savior of your life, I want to invite you to consider Jesus, to

consider that your life is not about how much you can do to be

made right with God, but it's what Jesus has done on a cross

to pay for your sins. And you can receive this gift of

eternal life by repenting of your sin and turning to Jesus

and putting your faith in him today for your salvation.

And for those of us who are already believers and followers

of Jesus, this kind of sacrificial living is what it

looks like to love one another. This is our standard.

One of the most subtle lies that's become normalized in

families, friendships, and churches is this.

Just do what's best for you. Because what we usually mean

when we say that is do whatever is going to make you feel most

comfortable and most safe. Imagine where you and I would be

today if Jesus just wanted to be safe and wasn't willing to die

for you. Like, let's get really practical

with this marriages. I know in a room this size with

this many people here in Cambridge and in Kitchener, I

know it is inevitable. Statistically, there's going to

be marriages that are struggling and going through it right now.

And the Bible calls us to love one another as Christ has loved

us. So what does that look like?

Hey, man, it starts with you. It starts with me.

The calling on our lives as husbands is to love our wife

like Jesus loved the church. That's the standard, to live

with a sacrificial love for the sake of our wife.

Now, for every wife who's in the room who's saying yeah, give it

to them. Kirk, I want to remind you of

this. The command to love one another

holds for you, too. What does it look like for you

to love your husband with a sacrificial love?

For some of us, even not in marriage but in any type of

relationship, loving each other sacrificially might mean

forgiving them for something that they've done to you.

Forgiveness is hard. Forgiveness requires a sacrifice

because you're not able to get any retribution from the other

person when you forgive them, like you can't get anything back

from them. You're just forgiving them.

You're absorbing the full weight of the pain, but that's how

Jesus has loved you. Some of us, we're at the stage

of life with aging parents. Think about what does it mean to

sacrificially serve your parents?

There's a significant time and emotional investment that's

there. Why do we love each other this

way? It's not because the other

person always deserves it. It's because it's what Jesus did

for us even when we didn't deserve it.

Here's another one, volunteering at church.

There's a lot of people who buy into a mindset that says

something like this, Sure, sure, I'll help you out with something

and so you sign up. But there's always kind of this

little asterisk with I'll help you out with something.

It's a limitation. It has to fit my schedule.

So maybe I can squeeze in an hour or so once a month.

Maybe I can make that work for you.

It needs to be something that's not too far outside my comfort

zone because like my comfort is the 1st and most important

thing. I want to be really clear to

everyone here at Forward we, we don't ask people to volunteer

because as Christians, volunteering is not the way

things work. As Christians, we live more in a

conscription place. God has given every single

Christian gifts. First Corinthians chapter 12

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tells us those gifts that have been given to you by God are

with the expectation of you using them to build up the body

of Christ. It is not something we volunteer

for. It is something we say yes to

Jesus about. We are called to be servants.

It's not optional for Christians.

One of the ways that we express our love and grow in our love

for one another is by being a part of a serve team here in our

church. And So what that means is that

for some of you, it's going to take up some of your time.

You might have to drop some other things so that you can

serve. Maybe.

Maybe you won't be able to watch 9 hours of football on a Sunday.

For some of us, it's going to mean getting uncomfortable

sometimes, that you're going to do things that make you push

yourself outside your comfort zone.

Sometimes you're going to end up getting close to people and

you're going to become emotionally invested in their

lives in a way that's going to feel heavy and hard and

difficult. And that's the reality of

sacrificially serving one another.

Now, as your pastor, I also need to say this.

Some of you are wired in such a way that you buy into

sacrificial serving to such a degree that you've maybe dropped

some other things that Jesus has commanded you to do.

You're not spending as much time with God.

You're not taking time to rest. So some of us, we need to like

slow down a little bit on the sacrificial side of serving and

some of us need to ramp it up. And only you and God know where

you're at on that. Here's the third thing that

Jesus teaches us about what it means to love one another.

Loving one another means being a friend who speaks the words of

God to others. When it comes to friendships, I

think most of us are looking for this.

We're looking for people we can have fun with, people we have

lots in common with, people that we can be honest with, who

support us in the tough times of life.

And those things are amazing and great, and they are gifts for

you. But I think quite often our

friendships and our relationships are missing one

piece of the puzzle that would take them to a whole other level

that would help us to love others the way that Jesus has

loved us. In verse 15, Jesus says this.

He says, I've called you friends because I have made known to you

everything I have heard from my Father.

Here's what Jesus is saying. I want to distinguish between

you being my slave and you being my friend that, that there is a

difference that is going on here.

He he could have, he could have just gone and said, this is the

command. Just do it.

Any parents in the room ever done that before, right?

Just do what I told you to do. And what Jesus is saying is

that's not how I approach this relationship.

I don't approach it from a just do this because I said So.

What he's saying is I'm coming alongside you and I'm calling

you friends now and I'm explaining to you the words of

God the Father. Everything that God's taught me,

I'm teaching you. And his whole point is, I'm not

only telling you what to do, but if you, if you walk with me, if

you pay attention to how we've walked together over these

years, you would see that I've been telling you and showing you

why these commands matter. The difference between being

Jesus, seeing you as slave and friend is not just that he gives

you a command, but he tells you the why and the heart behind the

commands that he's given. And then he says, I call you

friend. Jesus is committed to speaking

the words in the heart of the Father so that you and I can not

only understand what God wants, but we can understand why God

wants it. A friend talks about the words

of God to each other. Like, it's really easy to have

an opinion of what other people should do.

Most of us, to some degree, are experts in opinion.

It's a lot of fun sometimes to share your opinion with other

people. Like you know exactly where

other people are making their mistakes, you know exactly what

they've done wrong, and you've got a wonderful plan for how

they should correct it. And I'm sure that most of your

opinions are very logical, but I promise you, they don't begin to

touch what people really need to hear.

And that is they need to hear the words of God.

For the people that God brings into your life, you are given a

sacred trust to not only care for them, but to care for them

enough to speak God's words to them.

Not not as a weapon to get them, but out of a heart that really

wants the best for them. If you're a parent here today,

every single day your kids are bombarded with messages.

Will you love your kids enough to make sure that they are

taught everything that God has to say?

Many of us in this room, we have someone in our life who is

really struggling right now, really going through it.

Whether it's your spouse or a child or a friend or someone who

sits near you at church, you need to speak the words of God

over that person. I cannot begin to tell you how

many times when I am going through a rough spot in life.

It's amazing how many people have wonderful opinions about

what I should do. And it's amazing how life giving

it is when people say, hey, here's a Bible verse that just

came to mind for you. Imagine if we were to like lower

the temperature on our opinions and increase the temperature and

how much we talked about what God has to say to each other.

How much more life will we be speaking into each other's

lives? That's what Jesus came to give.

He came to give us life, and you're only going to find it in

Him. As we think about all the ways

we're called to love one another, there's one thing

that's really clear. If we're going to grow and

loving one another, it's going to require being truly connected

to other people. Like it's very difficult to

really love each other if you don't ever spend any time

together, if you never talk to each other, if you're not

invested in the lives of other people.

It's really difficult. Like imagine if Jesus would have

just said, hey, I love you, trust me, I love you, but I

think I'm going to hang out in heaven instead of going down to

earth. But that's not what he does.

He willingly leaves heaven to come and live on this earth

amongst us as an expression of His love for us.

He left all the glories of heaven for you.

There's just something about being in the same space as other

people that's going to force you to really grow in understanding

what love looks like. Because the more that you

interact with other people, you're going to discover

something. Most of them don't think the

same way that you do. And the temptation in our

current culture is, I'm just going to walk away until I find

the people who do think the same way that I think about

everything. But guess what?

Most of us don't really think the way that Jesus does.

And he still loves you. That's the standard.

I, I can honestly tell you, I did not really begin to

understand what it meant to love one another until I got married.

There's just something about being in the same space with

another person day in and day out that you suddenly start to

discover, hey, we don't think the same way.

And we're going to have to figure out what it looks like to

love each other. And 31 years later, I'm a slow

learner. I'm still trying to figure it

out. Some people have some Christians

have this mindset. Hey, I've got my people.

And so we limit who we're going to love to the people who think

like us and like the same things that we like.

But that is only a small piece of loving one another.

That's called living inside the space of your social media

algorithm. Loving one another means loving

everyone who is in the family. Over the last couple weeks

alone, I have watched things happen in our culture that

should never happen amongst Christians.

I have watched Christians calling each other names,

intentionally creating division in churches over politics, and I

am not going to stand up here and talk to you about right or

left in politics. What I am going to say is this.

For a Christian, the name of Jesus is the only name by which

this world can be saved. We cannot be rescued by any

political party. And for us to ignore the command

to love one another so we can get our political opinions

across is wrong. And we if we have committed

that, we have to repent of that sin.

See, when Jesus died on the cross and he builds his church,

Jesus is creating an entirely different community in in a

world that has always been fractured, that always feels

like it's falling apart at the seams.

In a world where some people go, the divide is too great for us

to ever get on the same page. Jesus enters into the equation

and he becomes the great equalizer.

Jesus enters onto the scene and says, all of you, I don't care

where you land on the political spectrum, you're all sinners and

you all need God's forgiveness. And at the foot of the cross,

we're all equal. And when Jesus dies on the cross

and he creates this new community, he sets the standard

for this new community called the church and says we are

called to love one another. That we're to be so different

than all the division that's in the rest of the world.

That the rest of the world looks at us and says, what's up with

these people? Jesus says the world will know

that you are his disciples. How?

By our love for one another. Our love for one another is what

is going to distinguish us and create a whole beautiful,

powerful new community that Jesus came to bring.

If you really believe that there is no other name by which this

world can be saved than Jesus, then you'll be far more

passionate about being obedient to Jesus than you will about any

other preference belief that you have.

If you're going to increasingly bear more fruit with your life,

it is going to require that you abide in Jesus.

And if you're going to abide in Jesus, it's going to require

being obedient to Jesus. And if you're going to be

obedient to Jesus, it's going to require that you love one

another. It's not optional.

Oswald Chambers puts it this way.

He says being a disciple means identifying yourself with God's

interests in other people. And as a church, we want to help

you live this out. So right now, for those who are

at Forward Kitchener, I'm going to turn this back over to Pastor

Steve and Kitchener to walk with you on how to live this out.

And right now, I want to invite some guests up onto the stage

with me. Zach and Jen Rickson and Curtis

Heaton are going to join me up here on stage.

If you guys could just welcome them as they join me.

Thank you, Paige. And for those of you who are in

the room here, could you pull a brochure that's in the seat

around you? And that is something that we

use. We talk a lot about our mission

of making disciples of Jesus who love God, love others, and serve

the world. And there's a lot of activity

that happens here at our church, but there are some really

critical things that we need to put into practice in our life

that are the most important things for you to put into

practice in your life if you want to grow.

We talked last week about loving God.

And if you want to grow and loving others is what we're

going to talk about here today. So first of all, when it comes

to building your family, we have a number of different resources

available for you. I want to encourage you, if your

parents talk to Neil Moody, our children's ministry director,

talk to Brittany and Nate, our student ministries directors,

they'd love to get you resources to help you with your families

and to be able to grow and loving each other at home.

But these three are here to talk about a couple of other ways for

us to live out what it means to love one another.

And Zach and Jen, how long have you guys been coming forward

now? It's been 4 years now.

Four years. So you came in during COVID?

We did in. A steak, Absolutely.

All right, that's good. I said the C word.

I probably shouldn't have said that.

And I know that when you came to the church, you jumped into a

discipleship group fairly quickly.

What led you to jump in and join a discipleship group?

So we had always wanted to be part of that at our old church.

And when we moved to Cambridge for about four years, we were

still going to our old church and it was about a 45 minute

drive away. And work schedules and in that

distance made it very difficult to join a group, even though we

we always wanted to. And so it was right in the

middle of COVID. I think it was probably the

second time we were here. We were.

Sitting at the back because we were new, right?

And everybody was still massed up and distanced and the service

ended and this this guy turns around and he says, what are you

doing the rest of the day? I said, watching football and

peeling off wallpaper. And that was Dave Van Weingart.

And about 20 minutes later we were in there.

We were in their group. And we've been been part of it

ever since. So that's amazing.

How has being part of a group helped you to really grow in

your love for others? Yeah, it's been very different

for both of us. One of us is very extroverted

and makes friends a little bit easier.

We have very different gifts and I think that group really helped

me see that. Well, we do have different

gifts. God has designed us for the same

thing, and we needed that close connection and the design of

group. We're not made to be an island

and we really needed that, both of us.

Yeah, that's amazing. I I know that when you are wired

differently can take a little bit time.

Were you hesitant at first to join a group?

I had about 10 reasons I could have spat out right away why it

wouldn't have worked. OK, All right, So what would you

guys say? Now, for anyone who's here who's

not in a discipleship group, why should they think about joining

one? I would say I wish I was wearing

Nikes or something because I'd say just do it.

And I would really, I would really encourage everybody to be

part of it. And I would really encourage

everyone not to say no. When God gives you what you

prayed for, it's not always going to be on the night that's

convenient for you. You know, you might have to rush

through dinner. You might have to get the kids

packed up. You might have to get a sitter.

It might not seem like something that's convenient.

I promise it's worth it. So when God gives it to you, I

think it's really incumbent upon all of us to not say, yeah, but

this, But what about those conditions I asked you for,

Lord? What about that perfect scenario

that I asked you to put together for me?

We prayed for it. God gave it to us, and we just

felt compelled to to jump right in.

And I would encourage everybody, if you feel that that's a part

of your life that's missing and maybe you don't know it's

missing yet, we've been very, very blessed individually and as

a couple to be part of a group. And we'd encourage you to join

one as well. That's awesome.

Thanks. Also joined by Curtis Heaton

over here. And Curtis, you've been around

forward longer than Zach and Jen.

Do you remember how long have you been here?

14 years. 14 years. September.

Yeah. All right.

And you're a busy guy, you got a family and life is crazy and

hectic. And because you don't have

enough time with kids, you decide it would be a good idea

to start serving in kids ministry.

And could you just talk a little bit about like what leads a guy

who has a very busy life, full life to say, yeah, I'll, I'll

serve in kids ministry. Yeah, well, you summarize it

well. My life is busy, I have 3 kids

and you'll probably see us running around in the sanctuary

after the service. We try to tire them out before

we get home for Sunday afternoon nap.

But yeah, I if it was up to me, I wouldn't have picked kids

ministry. But as you summarize well, Kirk,

this morning it was about walking in obedience to Jesus.

And I remember being in a season, it was about a year and

a half ago in my life where I was transitioning out of 1 area

service and looking for a way to get involved.

And I prayed one of those dangerous prayers like Lord

direct me to where you want me to serve.

And I remember we were doing one of these ministry spotlights and

Deb Thompson was up here talking about how they needed guys to

serve in kids ministry in preteen specifically.

And I felt the Holy Spirit kind of nudged me.

And I was like, that would be like pretty low on the list for

me. And then I'm thankful for my

wife because later on that day she was like, Hey, remember when

they talked about, you know, serving in preteen?

I felt like that would be a good fit for you.

I was like, OK, here we go. And it has been a real blessing.

And, and like I said, it was just walking in obedience.

I think, you know, I like maybe lots of people looked at serving

as like a little bit like a hobby, trying to find something

that I I enjoyed or might enjoy being involved in.

That's not the way we should look at it.

We need to look at where are the needs and where is God calling

us to serve? How has serving kids men grown

your love for others? I'm sure it's grown your

patience, but how has it grown your love for others?

Yeah, God's giving me a lot of reasons to grow in patience in

my life. But one of the things that has

been so enjoyable has been just investing in kids, investing in

the younger generation. It has been such a joy.

It is. It's hard, it's hard work, it's

tough ground sometimes working the soil of of these kids

hearts. Some of them are very energetic

and not the best of listeners, but you know what it has been.

I've just seen God at work and there's something about

ministering to the heart of a child like we are.

We have such an opportunity raising up the next generation

Kids are so they're just like sponges.

They absorb so much. And so I've just been so blessed

seeing the little ways that God is showing up in in our ministry

and, and the love that I've experienced just in being able

to serve in that way has been so wonderful.

Yeah, that's amazing. Church.

You can text the word group or text serve to our text line, and

you can get some more information on how you can get

into a group or join a serve team.

I'm going to ask the worship team to come on out here and

we're going to close in a moment.

I just want to say a couple of words, you guys.

Thank you for joining us. Church, would you stand please?

We're going to sing, and as we sing this song, I want us to not

just sing a song, but I want you to really reflect on how this

represents the way that Jesus has loved you and think about

what does that mean for you today and tomorrow and the day

after. And as a way of life to go, I

live to love others the way that Jesus has loved me.

Let's sing and reflect on what Jesus has done for us.