Sermon
Love Hung Bleeding
Publisher transcript
Transcript
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To a lot of people in our culture, Christianity doesn't make any sense.
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Buddhism makes sense, not necessarily because of believing anything about Buddha,
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but because things like yoga and meditation help people make it through the week.
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And in our culture, lots of things of native spirituality make sense,
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because a lot of people in our culture have a sense that on one hand,
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while what most grips us is what we can eat, what we can drink, what we can wear,
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what we can earn, what we can live in, what we can drive,
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that at the same time there's a sense of mystery in life,
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and often things like native spirituality can sort of deeply touch us.
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But for many people in our culture, Christianity doesn't make any sense.
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How could one person's death save me?
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We can sort of understand, especially as we gather here today,
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today with Jim Farherty just having died this week.
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Many people, I mean I had never met the man, but it was a shock to hear of his death.
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And we can understand maybe how a death can shock us or touch us,
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even a death of someone who happened long before we were born.
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But for many people in our culture, the idea that one man's death,
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especially a man's death so long ago, could have any particular impact on me,
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or any particular relevance for me, or that it could save me,
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just doesn't really make any sense whatsoever.
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And even this idea which Christians would talk about that Jesus is sinless,
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often becomes a great puzzle to people in our culture,
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and often if we're honest, to people in the pews,
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we don't have pews, in seats in churches.
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Because I was just reading the story of a Muslim man who converted to Christianity.
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He spoke very powerfully about the great conundrum
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that the sinlessness of Jesus causes many people.
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If Jesus was sinless and perfect, why didn't God hear his prayers?
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Why did God allow Jesus to die if Jesus was sinless?
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But for many people in our culture, the idea of Jesus being sinless
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is something that keeps Jesus far from us at arm's length,
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rather than making Jesus approachable,
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and someone that we can have as a friend, or confide in, or talk to.
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The sinlessness of Jesus pushes him far, far away,
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so that there are many people in our country,
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and many people maybe even in churches,
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that the fundamental story of Jesus,
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the fundamental facts of Jesus are very, very, very deeply puzzling.
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And often we don't even like to say that out loud,
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because it just doesn't seem like the right thing to say out loud when you're in church.
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And maybe your friends won't say it to you face to face,
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because they don't want to offend you,
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because they understand that you're a Christian.
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But for many people in our culture,
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these central ideas are very, very puzzling.
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This morning, we're going to look right at these questions.
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And usually I ask you to get out your Bibles,
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and that you can still get out your Bible.
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But really what we're going to do is just look at one very, very famous verse in the Bible.
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And we're just going to look at it,
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because this very famous verse touches on these questions,
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and many other questions,
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which you and many people in our culture have about the Christian faith.
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And Andrew, if you could put it up, that would be great.
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And what I've done is provided an essentially literal translation of the verse.
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So some of you might have memorized it,
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maybe you've memorized it in the King James Version,
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or memorized it in the NIV or the ESV.
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And I thought what I would just do is I'd sort of mess with all your heads
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and provide an essentially literal translation,
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because it's actually very beautiful.
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In the original translation, it begins and ends with Jesus.
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And so there's sort of a very specific form in it.
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And so what we're going to do is we're going to look at this,
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because it touches on many of these questions and others.
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So it would be a great help to me if you all would just read this with me at this time.
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The one who knew not sin, for us God made sin,
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that we might become the righteousness of God in him.
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Let's just say it again.
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The one who knew not sin, for us God made sin,
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that we might become the righteousness of God in him.
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Now you see, right off the bat, the text begins with something which Muslims find profoundly confusing.
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In fact, actually they will use these types of things,
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a verse like this to show that Jesus could not possibly have died on the cross.
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That if in fact they have maybe an easy time believing that Jesus could be such an exalted person,
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they just have a very hard time believing that anybody who's so exalted could possibly die on the cross.
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And as I said for others, the idea that Jesus is the one who knew not sin is deeply confusing.
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It just seems to make Jesus very, very differently, very, very distant.
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The one who knew not sin.
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Well, here's what I want to suggest.
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Andrew, if you could put up the first point, and then I'll try to explain it.
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Believe it or not, the sinlessness of Jesus means that no one can identify with you and me as deeply as he can.
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I learned this, actually, as I was thinking about arguments in favor of abortion.
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I was listening to arguments in favor of abortion, and it one day struck me.
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The sinlessness of Jesus means that no one can identify with you and me as deeply as he can.
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Now, you see, part of the problem with this text for Christians is that we think of it a little bit like math.
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Some people are really, really, really, really, really good at math.
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And maybe you're a little bit different, but I've often found that people who are really, really, really, really, really, really good at math
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aren't often very helpful to people.
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They can't help people who are very bad at math.
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Because for people who are very, very good at math, they just look, it's obvious.
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Like, you just look at it, it's obvious.
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How can you not get it?
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And to the person who doesn't get math, they just go, how can you get that?
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Nothing's obvious about that.
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And sometimes for a person who's really good at math and another person who can't do math,
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the gap is so big they can't even talk to each other.
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And so for many people, when we think of Jesus' sinlessness, we just think, well, gosh, how on earth can you relate to me?
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Like, he just sort of, I mean, it's almost as if Jesus is just, like, made out of, I don't know, you know, that,
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what's that made-up metal that Wolverine has that's, you know, the hardest thing?
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Yeah, there you go.
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I like superheroes, but I'm not a superhero geek, okay?
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Just so you're clear.
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Can't often remember all this stuff.
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So, you know, it's as if Jesus is just, it doesn't even touch him.
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He's just so completely and utterly immune from sin.
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But this text is very, very, very, very, very, very, very powerful.
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Remember that the verse said, the one who knew not sin, for us God made sin,
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that we might become the righteousness of God in him.
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And in the original language, when it says knew not, it's really implying,
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and it's a bit of a tricky thing because it's implying for people who hear it
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that they sort of have an understanding of how the Bible talks about knowledge.
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It's, in fact, the very, very same word.
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When I talk about, I'll just be, I have to use this,
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but when I talk about sex in church or in other settings with Christians,
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and I want to talk about sexual intercourse,
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I use the biblical phrase that you're not to know a man or a woman outside of marriage.
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And that's the way the Bible talks about it.
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And the Bible talks about a certain type of knowing that's, in a sense,
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a deeply personal knowing.
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It's a knowing that's connected to, in a sense,
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a coming together of the truth, like an entering into.
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It's something comprehensive.
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It's something total.
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It's something that has an idea almost of covenant or communion
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or something unitive that brings something together.
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And so that is the way the Bible describes sexual intercourse, as knowing one.
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And that's that same idea up in the Bible verse.
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Sorry, I keep pointing to it.
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It's my point, not the Bible verse.
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Could you put the point back up, the Bible text back up?
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So I keep, there you go.
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But the one who knew not sin, it's like this.
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I know that there's, I don't know how many women there are here today.
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I don't know, maybe there's 70 women here.
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I know there's 70 women here.
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But I only know Louise.
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And that's the same type of sense here that is being used of Jesus.
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It's not saying that he doesn't know that there's sin in the world.
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It's not saying he doesn't know that sin and evil exists.
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It's saying that he knows all about sin, but he never knew sin,
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in a sense, in the way that I know Louise and Louise knows me.
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That he never committed sin and had that act in the sense of unity with sin.
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That's far from him.
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That's what his sinlessness means.
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Not that he was never tempted.
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He was.
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Now, some of you might be saying, George, how on earth does abortion,
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the argument for abortion, help you understand this text?
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Well, what's one of the main arguments for abortion?
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One of the main arguments for abortion is that the fetus can't possibly be human.
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Why can't the fetus possibly be human?
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Well, the fetus can't possibly be human.
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The fetus has no inner life.
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The fetus doesn't make choices.
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The fetus doesn't have any type of that struggle which we connect so powerfully with being human.
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It's the same type of argument that goes on for euthanasia,
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for people maybe who enter into Alzheimer's.
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Is it their ability to make moral choices?
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I mean, the whole realm of choices in inner life, it's very, very hard.
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It's a moral, there's moral things.
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Should I think this?
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What should I think?
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Should I plan for this?
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What should I not plan for?
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What should I move towards?
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What should I avoid?
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It all ultimately has a powerful moral component to it.
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And so if we know that Jesus actually understood moral choice and he experienced moral choice and he experienced the chance of options,
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then we start to understand that, in fact, this idea, the one who knew not sin,
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if we start to understand that, in fact, the sinlessness of Jesus means that no one can identify with you and me as deeply as he can,
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it becomes like this.
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Let's say I'm going out on a car drive with you to Toronto and you and I both know somebody in common and I have a piece of really juicy gossip on someone that we both know and neither of us like this person.
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And I know some gossip about them.
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And if I tell you this gossip, and if I tell you this gossip in the right way, it'll make this person look really, really bad.
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And both of us will have a good time with each other, relishing how much we dislike them.
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Now, how long could you go in that car ride without telling the gossip?
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Some of you would say, George, like, the second I put on the seatbelt, it's going to come right out.
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And some of you might say, well, you know, maybe for some of us it's five seconds, five minutes, 15 minutes, three hours.
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Maybe gossip's not your thing.
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It would be an easy thing.
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You can pick your own sin.
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But only the person who never gives in.
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So the person who goes an hour before they give in to the gossip, they have a moral life, an internal interior life that understands the full strength of the temptation.
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And they're able to see how the temptation comes at them this way.
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And then it comes at them this way.
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And then it comes at them this way.
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And then it sort of lies dormant.
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And then it jumps out at them all again.
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And they know that inner life, that inner experience for a full hour.
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But unless you have the ability to resist that temptation until the temptation no longer tempts you at all.
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And maybe that's going to be four hours.
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Maybe it's going to be four years.
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Maybe it's going to be 40 years.
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I don't know how long it is.
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But until you actually, it's only the person who understands the full power of the temptation and all of the different permutations and combinations it takes and never succumbs to it that really understands it.
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They live a far more deeply human experience than those of us who just give in to the temptation really quickly.
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In fact, actually, don't we usually think that people who give in to temptation instantly, what do we think they are?
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Shallow.
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Isn't that what we think they are?
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Shallow.
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What is it that we feel bad about ourselves if we give in to the temptation just like that?
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We worry that we're shallow.
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So in fact, this text, the one who knew not sin, actually opens up to us that rather than meaning that Jesus cannot identify with us,
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there is no one who can identify with you more than Jesus.
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That's why there's been such great hymns as what a friend we have in Jesus, all our sins and griefs to bear.
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What a privilege to carry everything to him in prayer.
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The sinlessness of Jesus means that no one can identify with you and me as deeply as he can.
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Let's say this together.
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Nope.
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Oh, yeah.
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Sorry.
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There's the point.
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Go back to the scripture.
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Let's say this together.
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The one who knew not sin, for us God made sin, that we might become the righteousness of God in him.
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But some of you might say, George, okay, one man.
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How can what happens to one man have any real bearing upon me?
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Once again, when I was reading this book on the Muslim who became a Christian,
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that was a very, very, very deep problem for him.
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How can it be that what happens to one man could possibly matter to him in terms of any type of eternal consequences?
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It comes up in this verse.
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The one who knew not sin, for us, for us God made.
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For us God.
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I mean, it's essentially literal translation, but I'm capturing that for some reason in the text,
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there's this sense that God makes Jesus a particular person with a particular status,
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so that what he does can be done for us.
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If you put up the second point, Michael or Rebecca, that would be great.
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Jesus is the only person who could possibly represent you and me and every person.
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That's what this text is teaching.
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That Jesus is the only person who could possibly represent you and me and every person.
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When the Bible says, the one who knew not sin, for us God made sin,
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that we might become the righteousness of God in him.
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And that's what it's declaring.
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It's declaring something which is all the way through the Bible,
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that Jesus is the only person who could possibly represent you and me and every person.
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Unless, again, we might wonder how on earth this could possibly be.
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Like, on one level, we have a bit of an understanding of representation,
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that how one person represents us makes a difference.
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I think it's Mickey...
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Who was it?
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The famous actor who just died this week.
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I was meant to look...
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Mickey Rooney.
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He just died this week, 93.
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Ten decades in show business.
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And in one article, I said that his net worth upon his death was $18,000.
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How on earth could one be in Hollywood for ten decades and die with a net worth of 18 grand?
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It's because one of his children who represented him ruined him financially.
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If the newspaper accounts are correct.
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Which we're just assuming for a moment they are.
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Maybe they're not.
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Some of us have been in the press at times and papers don't always get it right.
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Okay?
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So...
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But, you know, on one level we have this sense that, you know, what happens, you know,
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for a mother or a father in a family that they represent in a sense the family and they have
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a representative function and leadership function in a family, then it makes a difference.
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And we can understand how a head of state represents a country.
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The president or the head of state of China or the head of state of India in a sense represents
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over a billion people.
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And I'm not trying...
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I'm not denigrating the head of state of China or the head of state of India at all by saying
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on one level they can represent a billion people.
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But on the other hand, I mean, I don't know how many people in China or India would be happy
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if they died or wouldn't even know if they died or...
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Like, they're just sort of just mere human beings.
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But we understand that it is possible in a very, very powerful way for one person to have
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this representative power over many.
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You've heard this illustration before, but it's a very, very good illustration.
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If terrorists were to take over Wembley Stadium when it was completely and utterly full and
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threatened to blow up a bomb killing everybody if their grants and demands weren't met, if
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I phoned them up and said, if you let all 100 and whatever it is, 15,000 people go free,
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I'll give you my life to let the 115,000 go free, they would laugh at me.
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But if the Queen of England called up the terrorists and said, if I come into the stadium and sit on the bomb,
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will you let the 115,000 go free?
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The terrorists would believe that they had gotten the greatest deal in the world.
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Because not only would they now think that they have...
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They've traded 115,000 for the Queen of England, and they would understand that all of England
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is now held captive.
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And given the number of people who are English and people of English heritage throughout the whole world,
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it might very well be that a billion people would be gripped by this offer
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and feel that they themselves were on that bomb.
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The Queen of England.
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What this Bible is saying is that God makes Jesus that one who can represent us.
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I mean, how great can that not possibly be?
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I mean, on one level, the Queen of England is...
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I mean, you know, if you're being very, very cynical, I don't mean to offend the monarchists here,
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but you might just say, well, you know, she had a daddy and a daddy and a daddy and a daddy,
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and they just were a whole pile of barons, and they won a sort of a war,
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and it goes back to others, and it's just a whole pile of drunk guys who fought.
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I'm not offending the monarchists, okay?
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But it just happens to end up being Queen Elizabeth, who most people like because she's really sweet,
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even people who aren't monarchists.
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Monarchists.
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You know, and...
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But how...
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And, you know, for the President of the United States, I mean, he just won an election,
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and right now his approval rating is very low, but it would still be true of him.
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But how much greater would it be?
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Doesn't it make sense that it could be possible that God would identify one person to represent all humanity?
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If we can understand that the Queen of England could, in a sense, represent all of England by her offer,
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can't we see that God could do that with this person, Jesus?
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And if he does it with Jesus, what possibly better person could it be than one,
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as we saw earlier when it says,
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God, the one who knew not sin for us, God made sin,
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that we might become the righteousness of God in him.
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Who could possibly better represent us than one that God chooses,
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and one who can identify with us?
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Because, to be honest, how much can the Queen of England identify with many people in England?
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I'm not trying to...
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Paula, I don't want to offend monarchists, I really don't.
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But you understand, who better to represent us than one that God chooses,
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and one who knows human experience so deeply,
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so that every human being, he can identify with them?
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That's why I say that Jesus is the only person who could possibly represent you and me and every person.
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Let's say the verse together again.
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The one who knew not sin, for us God made sin,
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that we might become the righteousness of God in him.
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Some of you might say,
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okay, George,
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so maybe I understand that Jesus, his sinlessness,
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actually isn't a matter of
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keeping him distant from me,
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and sort of I can understand how this idea of representation,
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that maybe one man, what happens to him,
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could have an implication for me,
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that maybe he could represent me,
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and not just that he could represent every person.
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But how is it possible, and how is it fair,
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that God would just pick this one guy,
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and this one guy has to die for me?
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Like, how is that possibly fair?
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If you look at the verse again,
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the one who knew not sin,
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for us,
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what does it say?
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God made sin.
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That's this idea of substitution.
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In fact, if you put up the point here,
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we'll see this.
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As he hung upon the cross,
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bleeding and dying,
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Jesus was the substitute.
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That's what this verse is teaching,
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that as he hung upon the cross,
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bleeding and dying,
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Jesus was the substitute.
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Those of you who come to this church
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know that I like movies and stuff like that,
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and my wife and I have been watching a television show
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from one of the cable channels.
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I think it's A&E,
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and it's Longmire,
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and it's about a sheriff in modern-day Wyoming.
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And in,
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spoiler alert,
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okay,
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spoiler alert if you're watching it.
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I won't tell you the episode,
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but there's a bit of a spoiler alert,
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and if you're,
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so hopefully I haven't,
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I don't ruin a particular episode for you.
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But it was very,
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very interesting.
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It's the most popular show
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on this particular cable channel,
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and this,
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one of the episodes
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has this very,
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very powerful episode
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where
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a woman gets hit by a driver
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and left for dead.
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It's a hit and run.
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And it's very obvious,
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eventually,
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that the,
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that this young man
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is the one behind the wheel.
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But then,
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in fact,
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in fact,
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actually,
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it's the sheriff,
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Longmire's daughter,
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who's hit.
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And she's close to death.
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So the young man
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is facing a whole host
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of different charges.
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In fact,
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there's a powerful scene
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where Longmire
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throws the young man in jail.
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He lifts off
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all the charges against him,
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and then as he's leaving,
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he says to his deputies,
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any other charge you can think of,
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put it against him.
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Then,
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sort of very soon
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on in the show,
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the father of the young man
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comes,
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and his face
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is all banged up
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and beat up.
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And the father's a drunk,
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and he says
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that he's behind the wheel,
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that he was the one
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behind the wheel,
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that his son was innocent,
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that he had forced
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his son to drive.
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It's a very powerful
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interchange
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between the sheriff
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and this father.
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and at the end of it,
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the sheriff himself
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is struggling
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with his own guilt
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about his relationship
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with his daughter
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and how he had left her alone
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and not cared for her
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like he should have.
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And he brings the father in
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of the young guy,
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and he puts him in jail.
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And he says to his deputies
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who object
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to let the young man
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go free
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because he said
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the dad
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was the one
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behind the wheel.
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Because this dad
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had begged.
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He said,
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I've ruined my life.
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I've ruined my life.
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Let me go to jail
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for my son.
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And Longmire does it.
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The man
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goes to jail,
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and the son
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goes free.
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And later on
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in the episode,
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and this is where,
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you know,
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part of our culture,
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there's this sense
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that on one hand
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we understand
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that we're gripped
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by what we can eat,
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what we can drink,
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what we can buy,
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what we can ride,
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what we can wear,
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what we can live in,
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what we can earn,
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and we're gripped
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by all that.
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But at the same time,
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there's a very powerful
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part of our culture
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that understands
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there's something mystical
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and that there's
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something more.
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And in this particular episode,
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the sheriff ends up
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going through
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an Indian ritual
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which causes him
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great pain
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in the hope
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that his suffering
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will allow
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the great goddess
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to heal his daughter.
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And that's where
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the spoiler alerts
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will end.
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But it's a very,
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very fascinating idea
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that this,
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the most popular series
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on this particular
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cable channel
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that deeply embedded
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in it
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is this sense
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of the appropriateness
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of substitution.
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And when the Bible
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here says
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that the one
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who knew not sin
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for us,
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God made sin,
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that we might become
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the righteousness
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of God in him,
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the Bible is teaching
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that not only
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if Jesus actually
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can identify with us
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very, very deeply,
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more deeply
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than any other human being,
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even the person
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with the closest marriage,
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even the person
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with the closest friend,
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even the person
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that had the greatest mom
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in the world,
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Jesus can identify
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with you far more
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closely and deeply
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than any other person.
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And that Jesus
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is the one
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who can truly
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and utterly
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properly represent us.
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That there's both
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the fact that God
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would set up a person
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that could represent
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human beings
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and this powerful
-
act of identification
-
that there's no one
-
better qualified
-
to represent us
-
than Jesus is.
-
That Jesus is the one
-
who acts.
-
When he's dying
-
upon the cross,
-
he's dying
-
as an act
-
of substitution.
-
You see,
-
Jesus doesn't do this
-
because he's forced
-
to by God.
-
But just as in the
-
illustration that I gave
-
that this man
-
who was a drunk
-
and yet still loved
-
his son out of love
-
would willingly
-
pay the penalty
-
of a crime,
-
of a whole list
-
of crimes for his son
-
out of love
-
for his son
-
and the sheriff
-
would go through
-
this torturous
-
experience out of love
-
for his daughter.
-
We're so used to people
-
with political power
-
and prestige
-
and representative power
-
to not care about
-
the little guy
-
and the little gal.
-
It's mind-boggling
-
for us to think
-
that one who could
-
represent us
-
and could identify
-
with us
-
would also love us
-
and would love us
-
so deeply
-
and would love us
-
so deeply
-
that he would
-
willingly take our place.
-
In our culture,
-
it's very,
-
very common.
-
And if you were
-
to go to the local
-
coffee shops
-
or the local bars
-
or ask around
-
your work,
-
it's very common
-
now for us
-
in our culture
-
to have some type
-
of idea of karma.
-
But when we think
-
about karma,
-
we think about it
-
in a very intermittent way.
-
We think about it
-
more in,
-
well,
-
like this one
-
particular time
-
I was driving
-
out in the country
-
and I was behind
-
a very,
-
very,
-
very,
-
very frustrating driver.
-
The speed limit
-
was 80
-
and they were always
-
driving 70.
-
But as soon as
-
they came to
-
a flat piece
-
of road
-
where you could
-
pass
-
and there were
-
passing lanes,
-
they sped up
-
to 115
-
and I couldn't
-
pass them.
-
That was so
-
frustrating for me.
-
And then we come
-
into this little
-
tiny hole-in-the-wall
-
community
-
and the speed limit
-
went from 80
-
to 40
-
and they kept
-
going 70
-
and a cop
-
pulled them over
-
and gave them
-
a ticket.
-
I'll confess
-
later on
-
a sin yet again
-
that that made
-
me happy.
-
There was a sense
-
of divine justice
-
in that
-
as I
-
tootled past
-
them
-
going 50.
-
Afterwards,
-
I would be able
-
to go
-
far faster.
-
I had lived
-
in the country
-
for a while.
-
I knew that
-
rural police
-
often hide
-
in such spots
-
to give people
-
tickets.
-
So, you know,
-
we have,
-
but what if,
-
what if this idea
-
that we usually
-
just throw out
-
this idea of karma
-
or what goes around
-
comes around
-
or something like that
-
in a particular time
-
when we've been wrong,
-
but what if something
-
like that is true?
-
What if something
-
like that is possibly
-
true?
-
And what if it's not
-
just something
-
that is just
-
intermittent
-
and then all the
-
other times
-
we can sort of
-
forget about it
-
and it only happens
-
sort of when there's
-
these sort of
-
big things,
-
but what if
-
there's something
-
like that
-
that's true?
-
And what if
-
something like that
-
that's true
-
and it goes on
-
with what we think
-
in our head
-
and what we feel
-
in our heart
-
and what we do
-
with our bodies
-
and what we do
-
when nobody's looking
-
and how we think
-
about people
-
all the time
-
and our moral
-
evaluations
-
and what if
-
in a sense
-
there's something
-
like karma
-
which is true
-
in all of that
-
that will one day
-
come out
-
and there has to be
-
some type of
-
price that's paid
-
and on one level
-
we understand
-
that there's some
-
sense every person
-
who understands
-
something of what
-
we now in our
-
culture call karma
-
we understand
-
that there's this
-
sense of wrongdoing
-
and a price
-
to be paid
-
and Christians say
-
that sense
-
that you have
-
is a window
-
into what truly
-
is real
-
that your own
-
self-centeredness
-
my own self-centeredness
-
and pride
-
is blinding me
-
to and keeping
-
distant from me
-
but the Bible
-
is very very
-
clear eyed
-
and God
-
is very clear eyed
-
and so as he
-
hung upon the cross
-
bleeding and dying
-
Jesus was the
-
substitute
-
he is the one
-
who takes
-
into himself
-
takes our place
-
now some of you
-
might say
-
okay George
-
that's uh
-
okay let's put
-
the verse up again
-
say it together
-
the one
-
who knew not
-
sin
-
for us
-
God made
-
sin
-
that we might
-
become
-
the righteousness
-
of God
-
in him
-
now some of you
-
might say
-
okay George
-
even if something
-
like that was to
-
happen
-
you know like
-
look at that
-
Longmire episode
-
okay so the
-
drunk dad
-
he takes the
-
place of the son
-
that's all very
-
good
-
the son goes
-
free
-
the son still
-
has a broken
-
arm
-
still has a
-
messed up life
-
all those
-
things go on
-
you know
-
Longmire and
-
his daughter
-
whatever happened
-
she still has
-
all the
-
you know she's
-
still unemployed
-
she has all
-
these things
-
that are messed
-
up so even
-
if Jesus does
-
something like
-
that for me
-
where does that
-
leave me
-
that verse again
-
the one who knew
-
not sin for us
-
God made sin
-
what that we
-
might become
-
the righteousness
-
of God
-
in him
-
here's what the
-
Bible's teaching
-
as he hung upon
-
the cross
-
bleeding and dying
-
Jesus is not
-
just offering
-
to take our
-
place
-
he is offering
-
to trade places
-
with you and me
-
as he hung
-
upon the cross
-
bleeding and
-
dying
-
Jesus is not
-
just offering
-
to take our
-
place
-
he is offering
-
to trade places
-
with you
-
and me
-
imagine that
-
they came up
-
with a cure
-
for cancer
-
but the problem
-
with the cure
-
for cancer
-
is that it
-
had to be
-
a family member
-
and they could
-
take the cancer
-
out of the person
-
with the cancer
-
and if they
-
had a person
-
who was
-
completely
-
healthy
-
they would
-
put the cancer
-
into that
-
person
-
and that
-
person's health
-
would go back
-
into the person
-
who had cancer
-
so the one
-
who originally
-
had cancer
-
would now have
-
the healthy
-
person's health
-
and the healthy
-
person would now
-
have that cancer
-
if they ever
-
developed such
-
a cure
-
for cancer
-
and one of my
-
grandchildren
-
had cancer
-
the only problem
-
would be my
-
wife and I
-
would arm wrestle
-
each other
-
as to who would
-
get to have
-
the cancer
-
who would take
-
on the cancer
-
and give their
-
health
-
that would be
-
the only argument
-
in our family
-
what we see
-
with Jesus
-
is something
-
like that
-
that
-
he
-
that when we
-
talk about
-
Jesus being
-
our substitute
-
it's not just
-
feelings that's
-
involved
-
that
-
Jesus in the
-
cross
-
it's an actual
-
offer of
-
exchange
-
the sinless
-
one with his
-
perfect
-
relationship
-
with the
-
father
-
an unbroken
-
communion
-
with the
-
father
-
that he
-
dies on the
-
cross
-
and he
-
willingly
-
says
-
George
-
not only
-
will I
-
take upon
-
yourself
-
myself
-
all the
-
karma
-
that should
-
come upon
-
you
-
I'm willing
-
to trade
-
places
-
with you
-
that Jesus
-
God will
-
relate to you
-
George
-
as if you
-
are me
-
the Bible
-
uses words
-
of
-
well
-
in the
-
scripture text
-
that we've
-
been looking
-
at again
-
and again
-
and again
-
the one
-
who knew
-
not sin
-
for us
-
God
-
made sin
-
that we
-
might become
-
the righteousness
-
of God
-
in him
-
there's this
-
offer of an
-
exchange
-
of a trading
-
of places
-
that's why
-
what happens
-
on the cross
-
is not like
-
what happened
-
on that
-
Longmire show
-
which just
-
leaves people
-
having been
-
substituted
-
but still
-
stuck with
-
their lives
-
that on the
-
cross
-
there's this
-
offer for us
-
not only to
-
have that
-
karma dealt
-
with
-
but to
-
have a
-
new status
-
a new
-
identity
-
a new
-
destiny
-
a new
-
relationship
-
with God
-
that we
-
have not
-
earned
-
that we
-
could not
-
possibly
-
earn
-
and that
-
we do
-
not deserve
-
and could
-
not possibly
-
ever deserve
-
and Jesus
-
does it
-
because he
-
loves you
-
and me
-
not as
-
abstractions
-
but as
-
who we
-
really are
-
that there
-
is not a
-
single person
-
on the
-
planet
-
who could
-
say to
-
Jesus
-
Jesus
-
you can't
-
possibly
-
offer that
-
do you
-
know what
-
I've done
-
in my life
-
do you
-
know how
-
I think
-
do you
-
know what
-
goes on
-
in my
-
between
-
these
-
these two
-
ears
-
and behind
-
the eyeballs
-
do you
-
know what
-
goes on
-
in my
-
heart
-
do you
-
know my
-
history
-
and for
-
every one
-
of us
-
Jesus
-
says yes
-
I do
-
I know
-
all that
-
and still
-
it's because
-
I love
-
I know
-
and I
-
know
-
I know
-
what you've
-
been through
-
and I
-
know those
-
things that
-
really
-
you've just
-
been a
-
victim
-
but I
-
know those
-
things that
-
you have
-
delighted in
-
that were
-
wrong
-
and were in
-
a sense
-
karma really
-
I know
-
all of that
-
where the
-
karma is
-
deserved
-
and still
-
I will
-
take your
-
place
-
and still
-
I will
-
offer to
-
trade
-
places
-
with you
-
put up the
-
verse again
-
say it with
-
me
-
the one
-
who knew
-
not
-
sin
-
for us
-
God
-
made
-
sin
-
that we
-
might
-
become
-
the
-
righteousness
-
of God
-
in him
-
the Christian
-
life begins
-
when we move
-
from saying
-
to other
-
people
-
Jesus
-
is the
-
savior
-
to saying
-
to Jesus
-
be my
-
savior
-
that's how the
-
Christian life
-
really is
-
marked
-
from being
-
able to
-
say
-
Christians
-
say that
-
Jesus
-
is the
-
savior
-
to maybe
-
being able
-
to say
-
Jesus
-
is the
-
savior
-
to saying
-
to Jesus
-
to saying
-
to God
-
Jesus
-
be my
-
savior
-
be my
-
substitute
-
I accept
-
that offer
-
of exchange
-
be my
-
great
-
exchange
-
be my
-
savior
-
that's how
-
the Christian
-
life begins
-
and we
-
live the
-
whole
-
Christian
-
life
-
gripped
-
by that
-
and shaped
-
by that
-
that's why
-
the mission
-
statement of
-
this church
-
increasingly
-
is making
-
disciples
-
gripped by
-
the gospel
-
living for
-
the glory
-
of God
-
to understand
-
that this
-
great act
-
of identification
-
and representation
-
and substitution
-
and exchange
-
gives me
-
this new
-
status
-
and this
-
new identity
-
and as
-
this truth
-
grips me
-
well then
-
the idea
-
of identifying
-
with the
-
weak or
-
the poor
-
makes sense
-
the idea
-
of identifying
-
with those
-
who are
-
victims
-
makes sense
-
the idea
-
of standing
-
in the gap
-
to represent
-
makes sense
-
the idea
-
of doing
-
some act
-
of offering
-
of giving
-
of our money
-
or of our
-
time
-
as an act
-
of substitution
-
or exchange
-
that the one
-
who has no
-
money
-
that we would
-
give that money
-
as an act
-
of substitution
-
and exchange
-
that begins
-
to make
-
sense
-
as the gospel
-
grips us
-
it changes
-
our life
-
but it begins
-
I put it here
-
I couldn't think
-
of a point
-
if you could
-
put the final
-
point
-
I couldn't think
-
of a way
-
to describe
-
this in a
-
simple line
-
so I thought
-
I would just
-
go with
-
the Bible
-
says
-
be in
-
him
-
be in
-
Jesus
-
please stand
-
maybe some
-
of you
-
God has
-
been
-
sort of
-
zeroing
-
in on you
-
and you
-
can feel
-
his finger
-
upon you
-
and you've
-
never
-
made that
-
move
-
of going
-
from Jesus
-
is what
-
Christians say
-
is the
-
savior
-
to Jesus
-
is the
-
savior
-
saying
-
Jesus
-
be my
-
savior
-
be my
-
substitution
-
be my
-
exchange
-
and maybe
-
the finger
-
of God
-
is upon
-
you
-
this
-
morning
-
the Holy
-
Spirit
-
is upon
-
you
-
urging
-
you
-
to say
-
that
-
to Jesus
-
and there's
-
no better
-
time
-
than right
-
now
-
today
-
in this
-
place
-
to say
-
that
-
to make
-
that
-
say
-
that
-
to Jesus
-
there's
-
no better
-
time
-
than right
-
now
-
won't be
-
better
-
when you
-
finish
-
the degree
-
won't be
-
better
-
when you
-
paid
-
off
-
the
-
mortgage
-
won't
-
be
-
better
-
when
-
you
-
moved
-
into
-
the
-
condo
-
no
-
better
-
time
-
than
-
right
-
now
-
and
-
there's
-
nothing
-
magical
-
about
-
my
-
words
-
but
-
I'm
-
going
-
to say
-
it's
-
actually
-
a word
-
from within
-
the bulletin
-
the groin
-
and grace
-
section
-
I'm going
-
to say
-
slowly
-
a prayer
-
and if
-
the finger
-
of God
-
the Holy
-
Spirit
-
is upon
-
you
-
I'll
-
say
-
a very
-
short
-
fragment
-
and there'll
-
be a period
-
of silence
-
I invite
-
you
-
you don't
-
have to say
-
it out
-
loud
-
it's just
-
a transaction
-
between
-
you and
-
Jesus
-
all I'm
-
doing
-
is helping
-
put into
-
words
-
what the
-
Holy Spirit
-
is urging
-
you to
-
say
-
and there's
-
no better
-
time
-
than right
-
now
-
to do
-
it
-
and just
-
do it
-
silently
-
I'll leave
-
time
-
and I
-
urge you
-
I beseech
-
you
-
I implore
-
you
-
to do
-
that
-
Jesus
-
you are
-
the sinless
-
one
-
you tasted
-
every
-
temptation
-
to its
-
full strength
-
without
-
giving in
-
to the
-
temptation
-
you
-
represented
-
me
-
on the
-
cross
-
you
-
died
-
in my
-
place
-
you
-
traded
-
places
-
with
-
me
-
thank
-
you
-
be
-
my
-
savior
-
I
-
want
-
to be
-
in
-
you
-
today
-
and
-
forever
-
make
-
me
-
your
-
disciple
-
gripped
-
by this
-
gospel
-
living
-
for your
-
glory
-
amen
-
just
-
continuing
-
by in
-
our
-
heads
-
in
-
prayer
-
father
-
we
-
thank
-
you
-
so
-
much
-
for
-
Jesus
-
we
-
thank
-
you
-
for
-
what
-
he
-
did
-
upon
-
us
-
in
-
the
-
cross
-
we
-
ask
-
father
-
for
-
everyone
-
here
-
who
-
is
-
yours
-
that
-
you
-
would
-
make
-
us
-
disciples
-
gripped
-
by the
-
gospel
-
living
-
for
-
your
-
glory
-
and
-
father
-
if
-
there
-
are
-
any
-
here
-
today
-
who
-
gave
-
their
-
lives
-
to
-
Jesus
-
for
-
the
-
first
-
time
-
I
-
ask
-
that
-
your
-
Holy
-
Spirit
-
would
-
fall
-
mightily
-
upon
-
them
-
mightily
-
upon
-
them
-
in
-
a
-
deep
-
way
-
drawing
-
them
-
close
-
to
-
Jesus
-
Jesus
-
close
-
to
-
them
-
and
-
all
-
this
-
I
-
ask
-
in
-
the
-
name
-
of
-
Jesus
-
your
-
son
-
and
-
our
-
savior
-
amen