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A Chosen People, not a Choice People

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  1. Father, we always need your Holy Spirit, every second of every day, but sometimes, Father,

  2. we think we can just go on our own steam.

  3. So, Father, we thank you so much for hard words like Romans 9 that remind us and open

  4. our eyes to how we need your Holy Spirit to come into our lives, to lead us and guide

  5. us into all truth, to inwardly free us, to reveal our hearts to ourselves in the context

  6. of your existence and your reality and your power and your great love for us.

  7. Father, thank you for Jesus and his death upon the cross.

  8. Thank you, Father, that he is your power for salvation for all who believe.

  9. And thank you, Father, that as we put our faith and trust in you, in your Son, Jesus, that

  10. you make us vessels of mercy built for your glory.

  11. And so, Father, we ask that your Holy Spirit would move in our lives, in our minds, in

  12. our wills, in our hearts very deeply to draw us closer to you this morning.

  13. And this we ask in Jesus' name.

  14. Amen.

  15. Please be seated.

  16. So, quite a text.

  17. I'm going to say just, first of all, it's interesting and hopefully, you know, because I only use an

  18. outline when I preach.

  19. Sometimes I forget what I'm going to say in the sermon.

  20. Or I get it out of order, out of place.

  21. But the very, very first crisis of faith that almost made me stop being a Christian was connected

  22. to a question that this text deals with.

  23. I had become a Christian and given my life to Jesus in November.

  24. And it would have been the spring of the following, like the following, you know, about six months

  25. later, in conversation.

  26. I was in the context of evangelizing.

  27. I got into a conversation with two men who really pressed in on me a certain couple of

  28. objections about the Christian faith that all involved whether or not I had free will

  29. and whether things were determined.

  30. And it rocked me.

  31. It was the first time in my young Christian life.

  32. I doubted whether, in fact, I had a severe doubt, season of doubt as to whether or not

  33. the Christian faith was true.

  34. And I wondered if I had to walk away from it.

  35. And those same questions of free will and determinism are touched on in this text.

  36. And I'll return to that in a moment.

  37. But some of the issues which this text touches upon are perennial issues that worry us and

  38. that people who think deeply about things try to think deeply about things which this text

  39. touches on, do we have free will?

  40. Like that's not just a Christian question.

  41. It's a human question.

  42. And it's a human question because there, in fact, most systems of thought deny,

  43. when you look at them very, the way most, I don't want to insult people,

  44. but most Canadians don't have a system of thought.

  45. I mean, that's just a fact, right?

  46. And that's fine, you know?

  47. But most systems of thought, when you press into them, lead you to the conclusion that

  48. there's no free will.

  49. And yet at the same time, what every person thinks about, at least at some times, is that

  50. the deep human desire for freedom.

  51. There is a deep, persistent human desire for freedom.

  52. And it's funny because we maybe don't think of this, but we want freedom in the context

  53. of some order.

  54. And there's other things that we want about that freedom, but there's this deep human

  55. longing for freedom, which is why we sometimes wonder and worry about whether we have free

  56. will.

  57. It's the same thing that goes on in our culture right now, where many people are very concerned

  58. about the huge economic and other types of climate forces which seem to want to overwhelm

  59. human beings and take away their freedom and take away their liberty.

  60. And it's because we have this deep desire for freedom and liberty that texts like this that we just read

  61. sound a bit scary and frightening.

  62. So we're going to look at it.

  63. And just one more thing.

  64. I should have said this first.

  65. Just ask those of you who, well, actually, it doesn't matter if this is your church home,

  66. and I'd ask your prayers for me this coming Wednesday evening.

  67. Our ministry at the university church on Wednesday, they're going through the book of Colossians.

  68. And when Daniel first told me about this, I knew that in Colossians there was a very,

  69. very another text of terror.

  70. Slaves obey your masters.

  71. Wives submit to your husbands.

  72. Which on the University of Ottawa campus, of course, those are completely non-controversial

  73. statements.

  74. And as just as they are in Canada.

  75. So I volunteered to preach on it.

  76. And now the hour of truth has come.

  77. That will be this Wednesday evening.

  78. I will, in the ground floor of the university center with who knows who passing by, I will

  79. look at the book of Colossians and what the Bible teaches on those topics.

  80. And I would deeply desire your prayers for me.

  81. That I will do it in a way that is true to the Bible and honors and glorifies God.

  82. So I ask your prayers for it.

  83. Now let's look at this question here.

  84. So turn to Romans because that's where Laurie just read.

  85. And before we read chapter 9 verses 1 and following, we're going to just go back to what happens

  86. just before chapter 9 to sort of set the stage.

  87. Because Paul doesn't jump into the problem of free will and determinism first.

  88. He starts with something else.

  89. Last week we looked at predestination.

  90. And so Paul's already getting people used to this idea.

  91. And in fact, in an odd way, Paul talks about this whole issue.

  92. But in a way that at first we don't realize that there's something about God's sovereignty

  93. at work because we like the basic promises.

  94. And it's one of the greatest passages in the Bible.

  95. It's a passage that's well worth us memorizing.

  96. And we're having on a mirror or something so we can meditate upon it regularly.

  97. And chapter 8 verse 31 goes like this.

  98. Christ Jesus is the one who died.

  99. More than that, who was raised.

  100. Who is at the right hand of God.

  101. Who indeed is interceding for us.

  102. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?

  103. Shall tribulation or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

  104. As it is written, for your sake we are being killed all the day long.

  105. We are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.

  106. No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.

  107. For I am sure that neither death nor life nor angels nor rulers nor things present nor things to come

  108. nor powers nor height nor depth nor anything else in all creation

  109. will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  110. What a text.

  111. What a text.

  112. And it's hard for many people not to read that text and have their spirits lifted.

  113. But there's two types of things that also go on with this text.

  114. The first is, your spirits are lifted and then you go home and you get a bit bored

  115. and then you waste three hours looking at pornography.

  116. Or you go home and you start working on your income tax

  117. and you cheat on all the numbers to give yourselves a better return.

  118. And then later on in the evening it strikes you what you've done

  119. and you start to doubt the text.

  120. And that God actually means it.

  121. Or that he can actually do it.

  122. The other thing that happens with a text like this

  123. is that some of us, when we sit listening to the text,

  124. we put our arms back like this and say,

  125. Oh yeah.

  126. Oh yeah.

  127. You know, everybody else is getting all excited

  128. but we're like a hard rock on a stream

  129. and the water is just flowing over us.

  130. It's not doing anything to us.

  131. And inwardly, we say,

  132. Oh yeah, that's not true.

  133. If that was true, what about Israel?

  134. What about all those promises that God made to Israel?

  135. God made all those promises to Israel

  136. and none of those things have come true.

  137. Gotcha.

  138. Gotcha.

  139. And so Paul,

  140. who he's been around the block a few times

  141. in evangelism and conversations.

  142. He's been a Christian for 20 some odd years

  143. and he's been an evangelist to Jewish people, to pagans.

  144. He's been all over the Roman Empire.

  145. And so he knows that there's these types of objections

  146. that go on.

  147. Both those good-hearted people

  148. who've now had a,

  149. or maybe it's not,

  150. or have had maybe a financial crisis

  151. or a health crisis

  152. and now we start to doubt Romans 8.

  153. Or all along we just sort of sit there

  154. and think,

  155. No, no, no.

  156. I know a few things about the Bible.

  157. I've heard you preach a few times

  158. and I know that that's just not true.

  159. Look at Israel.

  160. It didn't happen.

  161. So Paul,

  162. in chapters 9, 10, and 11 of Romans,

  163. he's going to deal with a series of objections,

  164. both about free will and determinism

  165. because there's a large part of Greek philosophy

  166. believed in fate,

  167. that there was no such thing as free will.

  168. And there was another school of Greek philosophy

  169. that just believed in fundamentally randomness.

  170. Some of you might have heard the saying,

  171. You can't step into the same river twice.

  172. That was said by a Greek philosopher prior to this.

  173. And so Paul's aware of that.

  174. And so he's aware of that

  175. there's a series of objections.

  176. He's going to deal with it 9, 10, and 11.

  177. And so we're starting to look at these objections today.

  178. And so let's look now at what Paul actually says.

  179. Let's just read the first five verses.

  180. So mindful of these things that go on in our mind,

  181. of doubting that what God has just said in Romans 8 is true,

  182. what Jesus has accomplished on the cross is true,

  183. that the presence of the Holy Spirit in our lives is true.

  184. And we have these doubts.

  185. So what does Paul go to?

  186. He goes like this.

  187. I am speaking the truth in Christ.

  188. I am not lying.

  189. My conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit

  190. that I have great sorrow

  191. and unceasing anguish in my heart.

  192. For I could wish that I myself were accursed

  193. and cut off from Christ

  194. for the sake of my brothers and sisters,

  195. my kin according to the flesh.

  196. They are Israelites,

  197. and to them belong the adoption,

  198. the glory, the covenants,

  199. the giving of the law,

  200. the worship, and the promises.

  201. To them belong the patriarchs.

  202. And from their race,

  203. according to the flesh,

  204. is the Christ,

  205. who is God over all,

  206. blessed forever.

  207. Amen.

  208. Amen.

  209. So now this is a very, very curious move on his part

  210. for two reasons.

  211. The first thing is that we see

  212. that this is not,

  213. what Paul is about to talk about now

  214. isn't just a dry intellectual matter.

  215. You know,

  216. it's not like there's a couple of physicists

  217. arguing over quantum mechanics

  218. or something like that,

  219. although I've been told

  220. they can get very heated

  221. over some things like that,

  222. you know,

  223. but, you know,

  224. the rest of us would look at it and say,

  225. why are you getting heated

  226. over something like that,

  227. right?

  228. But this isn't a dry academic question.

  229. For Paul,

  230. this is a deeply emotional question.

  231. He's deeply emotionally involved in it.

  232. It breaks his heart

  233. that so many people,

  234. like him,

  235. Jewish,

  236. and like he was

  237. before he became a Christian,

  238. devout Jews,

  239. have rejected Jesus.

  240. It breaks his heart.

  241. It's not a merely intellectual exercise.

  242. It's not just playing games with words.

  243. And the second thing,

  244. which is very interesting,

  245. and as we'll start to see in his answer,

  246. he does something which we human beings

  247. often don't do.

  248. Often,

  249. under the pressure of our emotions

  250. and our breaking heart,

  251. our broken heart,

  252. we change our theology.

  253. And in a sense,

  254. we act as if God is clay

  255. and we're the potter.

  256. And I'm going to return to this idea,

  257. and we can change God

  258. so that our heart is broken less.

  259. But Paul is not going to do this.

  260. In fact,

  261. he's going to double down on the issue.

  262. Because I think actually,

  263. and this is the conclusion I've come

  264. after wrestling with this text all week,

  265. is that everything in Romans 9 is true.

  266. And to deny parts of Romans 9

  267. only actually lead you

  268. into other trouble,

  269. problems,

  270. which we just haven't thought about,

  271. which are actually far worse.

  272. But the main thing here

  273. is to see that it breaks Paul's heart.

  274. So how is he going to now start

  275. to try to address this question?

  276. Okay,

  277. you said all these wonderful things

  278. about how nothing can separate us

  279. from the love of God.

  280. What about Israel?

  281. Isn't that an example

  282. against what you're saying?

  283. Some of you over the last couple of weeks

  284. have asked me,

  285. what about friends of ours

  286. who were Christians

  287. or seem to have been Christians,

  288. but now are living a life

  289. completely far from God?

  290. I'm not going to talk about that question.

  291. Paul talks about that in chapter 11.

  292. So in two weeks' time,

  293. I'll talk about that.

  294. But for now,

  295. Paul is asking,

  296. what about Israel?

  297. Has God kept his word or not?

  298. Well, let's look and see what he says.

  299. Romans 6, 9, 6 to 13.

  300. And this,

  301. in some ways,

  302. Romans 9, 6,

  303. it's the key,

  304. but you realize

  305. that when he starts to prove it

  306. from the Bible,

  307. it opens up cans of worms.

  308. But Romans 9, 6 is the key.

  309. But,

  310. it is not as though

  311. the word of God has failed.

  312. For not all who are descended from Israel

  313. belong to Israel.

  314. Just pause a second.

  315. A few years ago,

  316. when I was in a debate

  317. around a controversial moral issue,

  318. and part of that controversial moral issue

  319. was that,

  320. was text in the Old Testament,

  321. mainly New Testament text,

  322. but Old Testament text.

  323. And so,

  324. a person who was arguing against me

  325. tried to argue

  326. that in my own personal life,

  327. I hadn't kept

  328. all of the commandments

  329. around being a priest

  330. in the Old Testament.

  331. And they thought they'd got me.

  332. And I began my answer

  333. by saying,

  334. I'm not a priest.

  335. Which,

  336. at the time,

  337. in that Anglican congregation,

  338. shocked them.

  339. And I,

  340. and then I went on to explain

  341. that I'm a presbyter,

  342. not a priest.

  343. And those Old Testament things

  344. don't apply to me.

  345. It's just a matter of looking

  346. at the Bible more closely.

  347. So what Paul is going to say here,

  348. he makes his general statement,

  349. but it is not as though

  350. the word of God has failed.

  351. For not all who are descended from Israel

  352. belong to Israel.

  353. And now Paul's going to prove it

  354. from the Bible.

  355. He's going to prove

  356. that this is what

  357. the Old Testament actually says.

  358. That just because,

  359. biologically,

  360. you can trace yourself back to Abraham,

  361. or biologically,

  362. you can trace yourself back to Isaac,

  363. or biologically,

  364. you can trace yourself back to Jacob,

  365. and so therefore,

  366. you were Jewish.

  367. Well,

  368. it is not as though

  369. the word of God has failed,

  370. for not all who are descended

  371. from Israel

  372. belong to Israel.

  373. Verse 7,

  374. and not all are children of Abraham

  375. because they are his offspring.

  376. But,

  377. here he quotes the Bible,

  378. through Isaac

  379. shall your offspring be named.

  380. Then he says,

  381. verse 8,

  382. this means that it is not

  383. the children of the flesh,

  384. in other words,

  385. mere biology,

  386. who are the children of God,

  387. but the children of the promise

  388. are counted as offspring,

  389. God's promise.

  390. Verse 9,

  391. for this is what the promise said.

  392. And now he's going to quote

  393. the Bible again.

  394. About this time next year

  395. I will return,

  396. and Sarah shall have a son.

  397. Just a bit of an aside.

  398. He takes the narrative part of Genesis

  399. as if God is speaking.

  400. Just a little aside.

  401. It's all the way through this

  402. is how the Bible understands itself

  403. is it's God speaking.

  404. It's his words.

  405. And that verse 10,

  406. and not only so,

  407. but also when Rebecca

  408. had conceived children

  409. by one man,

  410. our forefather Isaac,

  411. though they were not yet born

  412. and had done nothing

  413. either good or bad,

  414. in order that God's purpose

  415. of election might continue,

  416. not because of works,

  417. but because of him who calls.

  418. She was told,

  419. now we quote the Bible,

  420. the older will serve the younger.

  421. As it is written,

  422. he quotes the Bible again,

  423. Jacob I loved,

  424. but Esau I hated.

  425. Now, not to get carried away with it,

  426. Esau I hated,

  427. it's called a Semitism.

  428. I probably didn't say that word right.

  429. It's a figure of speech

  430. when translated literally

  431. sounds really, really weird

  432. and even hateful,

  433. but it's just a figure of speech

  434. back from the time

  435. that the Bible was written,

  436. and it means rejected,

  437. not chosen.

  438. You think about it,

  439. sometimes in movies

  440. they have like a computer

  441. or a robot or an alien

  442. who spends time with human beings,

  443. and the robot or the alien

  444. is always getting confused

  445. by figures of speech.

  446. You know, like when you say

  447. the person's a few bricks shy of a load

  448. or a person has a screw loose

  449. or something like that,

  450. and then they'll have the robot

  451. look in the person's head

  452. to see where the screw is

  453. that he can,

  454. or she or it can,

  455. you know, straighten.

  456. It's a figure of speech,

  457. but it means completely rejected.

  458. That's what hated means,

  459. completely rejected.

  460. Now, it's a little bit of,

  461. it's still a bit of a text of terror.

  462. It brings up this idea

  463. that you have Isaac and Ishmael,

  464. and God chooses Isaac,

  465. but not Ishmael,

  466. and then you have Isaac's twin boys,

  467. and God chooses not Esau,

  468. one of the twin boys,

  469. in fact, the natural leader

  470. by the natural culture,

  471. the natural order of things.

  472. God doesn't go along

  473. with the natural order of things.

  474. In a sense,

  475. what God does is

  476. he deconstructs natural order.

  477. He deconstructs cultural expectations

  478. of how things should work.

  479. He, in a sense,

  480. demythologizes the myths

  481. and the gods of our culture

  482. about how things should work,

  483. and he chooses the younger one,

  484. Jacob,

  485. over the older one,

  486. the natural one,

  487. the reasonable one,

  488. the logical one,

  489. the obvious one,

  490. the cultural one.

  491. He doesn't choose that.

  492. He chooses the youngest.

  493. But in both cases,

  494. they're chosen

  495. while they're in the womb.

  496. Why?

  497. Election.

  498. He calls them out.

  499. Election is a,

  500. what it basically means

  501. is it would be as if,

  502. I don't know,

  503. let's say some terrorists

  504. have surrounded this building,

  505. and there's a bomb,

  506. and we're all going to die.

  507. And then the police say,

  508. outside,

  509. as a matter of good faith,

  510. could you release four people?

  511. And they call out,

  512. you, you, you, you.

  513. Off you go.

  514. The rest stay here

  515. to be bombed and die.

  516. Election means called out,

  517. chosen out.

  518. That's what it means.

  519. So on one hand,

  520. you say,

  521. okay, you know,

  522. oh, Paul,

  523. this is where we as Canadians,

  524. let's just be honest,

  525. for a second as Canadians,

  526. you would say,

  527. Paul,

  528. why didn't you just stop

  529. at verse six?

  530. Like,

  531. if you had just stopped

  532. at verse six

  533. when it just said,

  534. but it's not as though

  535. the word of God

  536. had failed for not all

  537. who are descended from Israel

  538. belong to Israel,

  539. say, okay,

  540. good enough for me.

  541. But now you go ahead

  542. and tell us

  543. and try to bring out

  544. in the story

  545. what's going on

  546. with Isaac,

  547. the election

  548. called out.

  549. You've just made it worse.

  550. You've just made it worse.

  551. You know,

  552. it's very,

  553. very interesting.

  554. In some ways,

  555. all of the book of Romans

  556. is an extended meditation

  557. from a verse

  558. in the book

  559. of Habakkuk.

  560. We'll look at Romans

  561. 1, 16 to 17

  562. in a moment,

  563. but when it says,

  564. the righteous shall live

  565. by faith,

  566. that's a quote

  567. from the book of Habakkuk.

  568. And in Habakkuk,

  569. it's the same type of thing.

  570. Habakkuk is complaining

  571. to God about what's going on,

  572. about all of the evil

  573. that's going on in Israel

  574. and why doesn't God

  575. do something about it?

  576. And God says,

  577. good news for you,

  578. Habakkuk.

  579. I've answered your prayers.

  580. I'm going to have,

  581. I think it's Assyria,

  582. I'm going to have Assyria

  583. invade and punish you guys.

  584. And Habakkuk goes,

  585. whoa, God,

  586. one second,

  587. you can't do that.

  588. That's the wrong answer.

  589. Like,

  590. and why on earth

  591. would you do that?

  592. God, Assyria is worse

  593. than Israel.

  594. Okay,

  595. so it's the same type of thing

  596. that's going on here

  597. that Paul gives an answer

  598. and if we're honest,

  599. we go,

  600. whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

  601. Okay,

  602. can we,

  603. I wish we could now replay,

  604. just rewind that

  605. because you've actually

  606. seemed to have made it worse,

  607. not better.

  608. Here's the thing

  609. for us to understand.

  610. Andrew,

  611. if you could put up

  612. the first slide.

  613. we are a chosen people,

  614. not a choice people.

  615. This,

  616. if you don't understand

  617. this idea,

  618. then nothing in this text

  619. is going to make sense,

  620. but it's what the text

  621. is saying.

  622. It's still a very

  623. frightening text to us

  624. because it makes us feel

  625. completely and utterly naked.

  626. But you know how

  627. choice means,

  628. you know,

  629. you see these things,

  630. you know,

  631. in the food sections,

  632. they talk about it

  633. all the time.

  634. If you ever read

  635. the food section,

  636. the citizen,

  637. they'll talk about

  638. in these real hipster,

  639. high-end restaurant

  640. type places,

  641. how,

  642. you know,

  643. or you see it in movies,

  644. they go down to the market,

  645. they don't just sort of

  646. pick the cheapest

  647. 10 fish they can find,

  648. but they pick the

  649. choice fish

  650. and the choice vegetables

  651. because the person

  652. who goes down

  653. is an expert

  654. at recognizing

  655. the choice bits of meat

  656. and the choice herbs

  657. and the choice fish

  658. and the choice vegetables,

  659. and because of their

  660. expertise and skill,

  661. they identify

  662. what is choice

  663. and then they bring it

  664. back to cook

  665. for discerning people

  666. like us.

  667. Well,

  668. I go to McDonald's

  669. so it wouldn't be

  670. for people like me,

  671. but,

  672. and so it's very,

  673. what the Bible

  674. is going to,

  675. what Paul is going

  676. to try to have

  677. completely and utterly

  678. removed from our mind

  679. and from our spirit

  680. is any sense

  681. that I am choice.

  682. there's something

  683. about me

  684. just a little bit special.

  685. You know,

  686. maybe it's because

  687. of my background

  688. and upbringing

  689. or maybe it's because,

  690. I don't know,

  691. have you heard

  692. how I can harmonize

  693. when they're singing

  694. up front or

  695. have you heard

  696. how I can pray

  697. or have you heard

  698. how I can preach

  699. or have you heard

  700. how I can lead

  701. or have you heard

  702. how I can parent

  703. my children

  704. or have you heard

  705. how it's deeply

  706. within us

  707. to start to desire

  708. that we are choice

  709. and the Bible

  710. is not going

  711. to ever explain

  712. to us,

  713. it's going to say

  714. that it's not random,

  715. it's going to say

  716. that it wasn't as if

  717. God just was going,

  718. okay,

  719. baby's being born,

  720. baby's being born,

  721. yeah,

  722. another baby being born,

  723. you know,

  724. eenie, meenie,

  725. miney, moe,

  726. catch a tiger,

  727. okay,

  728. pick that one,

  729. catch a tiger

  730. by the toe,

  731. pick that one.

  732. It's not,

  733. he's not saying

  734. it's random.

  735. At the end of the day

  736. and the purposes of God,

  737. nothing about

  738. why you or I

  739. were chosen

  740. is revealed.

  741. But what God

  742. wants us to know

  743. is it's not because

  744. I'm choice.

  745. It's not because

  746. I'm choice.

  747. Now,

  748. this at first

  749. is very,

  750. very,

  751. very,

  752. very,

  753. very frightening.

  754. If it wasn't for the gospel,

  755. it would be deeply frightening

  756. because,

  757. you see,

  758. at the heart

  759. of all religion

  760. and spirituality

  761. is an attempt

  762. to be choice,

  763. an attempt

  764. to put God

  765. in some type

  766. of an obligation

  767. or lock

  768. to do things for us

  769. because we are choice.

  770. I am choice.

  771. Why am I choice?

  772. Well,

  773. I prayed the sinner's prayer.

  774. I've learned how to speak

  775. in tongues.

  776. I can recite

  777. the Apostles' Creed.

  778. I go to church.

  779. I tithe.

  780. Therefore,

  781. you have some obligation

  782. to me.

  783. I've done something

  784. to contribute

  785. to this relationship

  786. and you have some

  787. obligations to me.

  788. And the Bible

  789. wants us to completely

  790. and utterly lose

  791. any sense of that,

  792. that there's nothing

  793. at all about me

  794. ever being choice,

  795. that it's all about

  796. God doing what

  797. I cannot do

  798. and what you cannot do,

  799. which is to make us

  800. right with him.

  801. He does it all

  802. with nothing left over.

  803. And,

  804. you know,

  805. on one hand,

  806. we feel terribly naked

  807. if there's not

  808. something choice

  809. about us

  810. or not something

  811. that we can do

  812. that would make us choice.

  813. But at the same time

  814. that we feel naked

  815. about it,

  816. we don't want

  817. to acknowledge

  818. how much religion

  819. and spirituality

  820. makes us anxious

  821. and makes us false

  822. and makes us hurtful

  823. and spiteful

  824. and arrogant

  825. towards others

  826. because that's always

  827. what religion

  828. and spirituality does.

  829. and it doesn't matter

  830. if your spirituality

  831. is Anglican spirituality

  832. or green spirituality

  833. or left-wing spirituality

  834. or right-wing spirituality,

  835. it makes you

  836. and me hard-hearted

  837. and it makes us insecure

  838. because what happens

  839. if I fail?

  840. I thought I was choice,

  841. but I just wasted

  842. three hours

  843. looking at pornography.

  844. I just cheated

  845. on my income tax.

  846. I just went out

  847. and I had a next,

  848. you know,

  849. just half a glass

  850. of wine too much

  851. and I spent the whole time

  852. slandering everybody

  853. I knew

  854. and putting everybody down.

  855. I can't be choice.

  856. And religion

  857. and spirituality

  858. makes us profoundly

  859. insecure

  860. because we have to maintain

  861. that type of choiceness

  862. and because nobody

  863. can maintain

  864. being choice,

  865. we become arrogant

  866. and we put up

  867. these barriers

  868. in front of us

  869. and around

  870. to keep us from people

  871. and we do things

  872. to put people down

  873. and look down

  874. our noses at them

  875. and so it either

  876. creates a type

  877. of insecurity

  878. or it creates arrogance

  879. and pride

  880. which comes from insecurity.

  881. The Bible wants

  882. to deliver you

  883. from pride

  884. and arrogance

  885. and from insecurity

  886. and from religion

  887. and spirituality

  888. and from being irreligious

  889. and unspiritual.

  890. He wants to deliver you

  891. from this.

  892. God calls.

  893. I am not choice.

  894. I'm chosen by God.

  895. Here's the next thing.

  896. Andrew, if you could put

  897. up the next point.

  898. I freely call out to God

  899. he who first called me.

  900. I freely call out to God

  901. he who first called me.

  902. Now, it's in Romans 10.

  903. Next week's sermon.

  904. This week's sermon

  905. is going to really emphasize

  906. this aspect of God's calling me

  907. and making it look like,

  908. and not making it look like,

  909. really bringing us to this sense

  910. that God calls

  911. every human being first

  912. with no exception.

  913. And yet,

  914. somehow God's call to me

  915. enables within me

  916. a type of freedom

  917. for me to call out to him.

  918. Romans 10 is going to talk

  919. more about this

  920. human side

  921. of human responsibility.

  922. That's next week.

  923. Romans 9 is emphasizing

  924. he calls me first.

  925. He calls you first.

  926. You know,

  927. 1 John chapter 4,

    1 John 4 chapter mention

  928. this is love.

  929. Not that we love God,

  930. but that he loved us

  931. and sent his son

  932. as an atoning sacrifice

  933. for our sins.

  934. It's a deep biblical message.

  935. He calls first.

  936. I freely call out to God

  937. he who first called me.

  938. The Bible holds

  939. these two things together.

  940. that God is completely

  941. and utterly sovereign

  942. and that we have

  943. significant freedom.

  944. And that God wants us

  945. to be free.

  946. In a sense,

  947. only the Bible,

  948. when you read it,

  949. only the gospel,

  950. only Jesus,

  951. and understanding

  952. that he died upon the cross,

  953. that he is the power of God

  954. for salvation,

  955. only this teaching

  956. is the answer

  957. to our longings

  958. and yearnings

  959. to be free.

  960. And the more

  961. we become of God's,

  962. the freer we become.

  963. The more we bow

  964. to Jesus

  965. through grace,

  966. the taller we are.

  967. The more we let ourselves

  968. be carried in his arms,

  969. the stronger we are.

  970. The more we surrender

  971. to the Holy Spirit,

  972. the freer we are.

  973. The more we hecho

  974. before we beam

  975. the more we amen

  976. the more now

  977. and the more we leave it.

  978. that question for us. Paul anticipates it. Let's look at what he says. Verse 14. What shall we say

  979. then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means. For he says to Moses, now he quotes the

  980. Bible, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.

  981. One second. Once again, okay, let's just be honest Canadians for a second, okay? Don't we wish as

  982. honest Canadians he just stopped with verse 14? Come on, don't get off all your pious stuff, okay?

  983. Honest Canadians said, okay, just answer 14. No. Okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't say that. Oh, no.

  984. For he says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I

  985. have compassion, and inwardly we groan. So then, verse 16, it depends not on human will or exertion,

  986. but on God who has mercy. For the scripture says to Pharaoh, for this very purpose I have raised you up

  987. that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.

  988. So then, he has mercy on whom ever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

  989. And most of us wish he'd just stopped with verse 14, if you're honest. But we should be glad that he

  990. goes beyond. Here's the first thing, if you could put up the next point.

  991. No one is owed eternal communion with the living God. Everyone deserves eternal separation from the

  992. living God. That's what the Bible teaches. In other words, that's partly why Paul is saying the actual,

  993. absolute last thing that God is, is unjust. The issue here isn't whether God is unjust, but whether or not

  994. God will show mercy. Because God is completely and unfailingly just. And as part of God's justice,

  995. well, people who don't want to be in communion with God, at the end of the day, he says to them,

  996. thy will be done. And if you think about it for a second, let's just think about some of the

  997. objections to this. If you think about it for now, and let's say all of a sudden God promoted you to be

  998. his coach. And so you coach God to have mercy on all. And so you get to, and you go around and you go

  999. to all of the mosques in the city. And you go to all of the places where people are doing yoga right

  1000. now. And you go to all the coffee shops right now. And then later on tonight, you go to all the bars.

  1001. And you tell them, good news, I'm coaching God. Every one of you is now in full communion with God.

  1002. It's going to kick in at midnight tonight. And I've worked it out for you.

  1003. How do you think that would go? Do you think they'd all come up and say, oh, thank you so much?

  1004. Do you think all the people in the bar would come up and say, oh, thank you so much that you forced

  1005. me to be in communion with God? Do you think all the people in the mosque would come? Oh, thank you so

  1006. much that I'm not going to be with Allah and Muhammad, his prophet. I'm so glad. No. What do you think

  1007. would happen? Like, how's that plan going to work? It's not going to work at all, is it?

  1008. They don't want it. They don't want it. It violates our freedom. It violates our longings and our

  1009. yearnings. But some of you might say, okay, well, George, what about the hardening part? Like,

  1010. couldn't, like, what does that mean? Next point, please. Everything in my being saved comes from

  1011. God. Everything in my heart, in my hardening comes from me. You can see this in the text,

  1012. and we're going to see it in a moment where Paul even doubles down even more with this potter and

  1013. clay text. That, like, see, this is the thing about, remember his anguish at the beginning of the story,

  1014. but rather than allowing his, here, in a sense, what Paul is doing, and we don't recognize it,

  1015. what we see here, Martin Lloyd-Jones has this fantastic phrase in the book of Romans, we see

  1016. logic on fire. Logic on fire. His broken heart, rather than making him want to try to be like a

  1017. potter and making God like the clay and change God, it makes him plunge into God and to realize even more

  1018. fully the greatness of the gospel and the greatness of what it is that God has done for us and is doing

  1019. for us in the person of his Son. And we see here that in this text, when it talks about the hardening,

  1020. we'll see it again in a few moments, that everything in my being saved comes from God,

  1021. but everything in my hardening comes from me. It's an asymmetric relationship. Sorry, I had to throw in

  1022. one big word because, you know, I went to university and got a master's degree and all that, but

  1023. that's how it works. If you go to the going deeper in the bulletin, I give you the text from Exodus that

  1024. shows that thing in the story of Pharaoh and God in the book of Exodus and Moses. And that's what Paul

  1025. is going to say at, we'll see it with the potter and the clay, that God prepares the clay for glory,

  1026. but that the clay that's being made for destruction isn't prepared by God.

  1027. In a sense, the world, the flesh, and the devil, me and my buddies do it to myself.

  1028. Could you put up the scripture text that we've been looking at every week, Romans 1? Could you

  1029. guys say this with me? Remember, those of you who haven't been here before, that Romans 1, 16 to 17,

  1030. which concludes the quote from Habakkuk at the end, it sort of summarizes the entire book. And let's

  1031. read it together. For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation

  1032. to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in the gospel, the righteousness

  1033. of God is revealed from faith to faith. As it is written, the righteous shall live by faith.

  1034. You see the importance of I am not ashamed of the gospel?

  1035. If Paul is going to make clear to us that the heart of the gospel is a power of God for salvation,

  1036. not a power of God for salvation to those who are choice, therefore it's sort of a bit on me as well,

  1037. actually. But to really understand that being made right with God is going to involve God.

  1038. When it says the righteousness of God, there's a double meaning there. It means that God is going

  1039. to act in a right way. God has to act in a way which is completely and utterly just.

  1040. But God is going to act in something. He's going to go not only, he's going to be just and never stop

  1041. being just, but he's going to be merciful as well. And he, while being right, will do something to make

  1042. us right with him. And he is going to do it all. He is going to do it completely and utterly. He is going

  1043. to foreknow. He is going to predestine. He is going to call. He is going to make right. He is going to

  1044. glorify. He is going to do it all. And as we start to understand what he is going to do it all means,

  1045. that it means that I am not choice but chosen. Then once we start to realize the consequences of

  1046. that, we start to be ashamed of the gospel because it doesn't sound Canadian. It won't play well.

  1047. It won't play well in the graduate seminars at the university, in the director's offices,

  1048. in the federal government, in the coffee shops, in the hipster restaurants, and even just your

  1049. local Tim Hortons, wherever, or even the homeless shelter maybe where you can just get a cup of

  1050. coffee for free. And we end up wanting to be ashamed. But Paul wants us to understand that when it says

  1051. it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, he means the power of God for salvation

  1052. with nothing left over, nothing excluded. It's all God.

  1053. You see how once this grips you, it completely deconstructs and demythologizes religion and

  1054. spirituality. That once this grips us, there is the possibility to, in a sense, to start to lose our

  1055. profound sense of insecurity that our favor with God depends upon our religious performance or

  1056. religious emotions or our religious feelings. Or in terms of how good we are at raising our kids or

  1057. how good we are at relationships or how good we are at making money or how healthy we are or how good

  1058. looking we are or how people think about us or whether we get a PhD or any of those other things

  1059. which make us profoundly insecure, that as this grips us, as this grips us, I am chosen, not choice.

  1060. It is God's power of salvation that is going to be at work in me, not my works, not my actions,

  1061. not anything. It profoundly starts to maybe make us relax, to give us the courage to look at things

  1062. in the past that have deeply wounded us or things that we've done that are deeply evil. It can start

  1063. to actually relax us and to say, what is it within me that drives me to look at pornography? What is it

  1064. within me that drives me to want to, in my speech, constantly put people down? What is it within me that

  1065. drives me to want me to have the most expensive consumer gifts? Why is it that I feel this huge

  1066. compulsion to buy yet another pair of $150, $300, $500 sunglasses? Why do I need seven pairs of $500

  1067. sunglasses? I don't have that, by the way. I'm just trying to think of something that some of you might

  1068. struggle with. Literally, that's not my issue, expensive sunglasses. But I understand why some

  1069. people are driven to it. But some of you might say, okay, George, just one more thing about the

  1070. problem. You know what? I'm just going to have to go over time today. So I'm just going to have to go

  1071. over time. I think I just have to go over time. That's life. What about the problem of mercy?

  1072. Remember, what does it say here? I will have mercy on whom I have mercy. He has mercy on whomever he

  1073. wills and hardens whomever he wills. I've already explained the hardened mercy. Here's this subtle way

  1074. that we want to make an obligation on God. Imagine for a moment, imagine that we're in the United States,

  1075. we're all Americans, and President Obama is just about to leave office because fill in the blank

  1076. has just won the president and he or she is about to become president next day. And many

  1077. presidents do this just before he leaves. He puts a whole pile of presidential pardons in.

  1078. And one of the people who he's given a presidential pardon to is a bleepity, bleepity, bleepity, bleep

  1079. guy who ripped you off and ruined you financially. Bleepity, bleepity, bleep. Fill in the blank.

  1080. Now, would you say, oh, isn't that so fantastic that President Obama showed mercy and left that

  1081. creepy, bleepity, bleepity guy off the hook so he doesn't have to bleeply, bleeply pay for what he did?

  1082. That is not what you would feel.

  1083. But it would be very, very different if after, if you heard about a story where somebody, and you hear about these things,

  1084. you hear about, you know, you heard about the gunman who killed all those school kids in an Amish community,

  1085. and how the Amish community forgave the fellow and urged a lesser sentence.

  1086. Doesn't it make a big difference if the victims are the ones who show mercy?

  1087. Because they've freely done it.

  1088. You wouldn't feel the same way if you found it afterwards that the Amish people only did it because Donald Trump

  1089. gave them $15 million if they would say they'd shown mercy, and you wouldn't think it was the same way.

  1090. It has to be free.

  1091. Mercy has to be freely given by the one who's been wronged.

  1092. And God is ultimately wronged by our sin.

  1093. And if God is compelled to show mercy to everybody,

  1094. well, first of all, some of us won't want mercy.

  1095. Go back to that earlier analogy about how do you feel about if you went to all the bars and the mosques and stuff,

  1096. and just all the Tim Hortons, how would they feel?

  1097. But God freely shows mercy.

  1098. Let's try to wrap this up.

  1099. What about the potter and the clay?

  1100. Are we puppets?

  1101. Has God made us puppets?

  1102. And does God, when he uses this analogy of the potter and the clay,

  1103. is he doing it just to shut me up and shut you up?

  1104. Let's read it.

  1105. It goes at verse 19.

  1106. You will say to me then, why does he still find fault?

  1107. For who can resist his will?

  1108. But who are you, O man, to answer back to God?

  1109. Well, what does molded say to its molder, why have you made me like this?

  1110. Has the potter no right over the clay to make out of the same lump

  1111. one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?

  1112. What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power,

  1113. has endured with much patience, vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?

  1114. Notice, he doesn't say that he's, the Greek is very, very clear,

  1115. and even the English, doesn't say here that God prepared it for destruction.

  1116. That's not there.

  1117. There are some Christians who believe in something called double predestination,

  1118. and I think the Bible doesn't teach that.

  1119. I think it's wrong.

  1120. It doesn't say here that God does it.

  1121. Verse 23,

  1122. In order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy,

  1123. which he has prepared beforehand for glory,

  1124. even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only,

  1125. but also from the Gentiles.

  1126. And we'll just pause here.

  1127. Now here, just trying to wrap it up,

  1128. let's be honest about one of the things that drives us

  1129. in this entire problem with the text.

  1130. Because the Bible, as I've said time and time again,

  1131. the Bible helps us to see our hearts,

  1132. to be honest about our hearts,

  1133. without cynicism or romanticism in the context of the living God.

  1134. So what is it, partially at root,

  1135. that we have a problem with this entire text?

  1136. If you could put up the next point, Rebecca.

  1137. Rebecca, I believe that I am the potter and God is the clay.

  1138. But God's grace calls me into the real world,

  1139. where God is the potter and I am the clay.

  1140. This is a profoundly countercultural thought.

  1141. Most psychology wants to teach us that,

  1142. I mean, you know, there's whole systems of thought,

  1143. that God is just a concept that we manipulate,

  1144. or the powerful manipulate, or the weak manipulate.

  1145. It's in Nietzsche's thought, it was in Freud,

  1146. it was in behaviorism, it's in Marxism,

  1147. it's in basically most contemporary mainline churches' religion,

  1148. is that God is like a clay and we're the potter,

  1149. and we can manipulate these images and we can do whatever it is.

  1150. In the Anglican Church of Canada,

  1151. when it talks in the Book of Alternative Services,

  1152. in 1985 it describes, what is it that says the Bible,

  1153. is a repository of our symbols

  1154. that we use to talk about God.

  1155. And it says to something deep within us

  1156. that we want God to be the clay,

  1157. because you know what, I'm the potter.

  1158. I believe that I am the potter and God is the clay,

  1159. but God's grace calls me into the real world,

  1160. where God is the potter and I am the clay.

  1161. Next point.

  1162. Remember I said that my early crisis of faith

  1163. was around the whole problem of free will and determinism,

  1164. and one of the things that I eventually came to,

  1165. I didn't go to this text,

  1166. but I came to understand that first of all,

  1167. the guys who were challenging me,

  1168. that they weren't being intellectually honest.

  1169. It's an important thing for those of you

  1170. who are engaged in evangelism,

  1171. is that whatever objection a person has to the Christian faith,

  1172. that objection isn't just an objection to the Christian faith,

  1173. it's a problem for all philosophy.

  1174. And when I put the thing back on them,

  1175. they just got grumpy with me,

  1176. and they called me names.

  1177. But the fact of the matter is,

  1178. is that their argument that everything has a cause and effect,

  1179. and whatever I think I have about free will

  1180. is just a matter of cause and effect,

  1181. I said, well, that counts for your thought too.

  1182. Why are you exempt from that?

  1183. That's when they started calling me names,

  1184. telling me they were smarter than me and all that,

  1185. but they just all meant as they didn't have an answer.

  1186. But I started to realize this truth.

  1187. Only the loving, all-powerful, and sovereign God

  1188. can be the ground and guarantor of human freedom

  1189. in an ordered creation.

  1190. I know it's a big thought.

  1191. I just, those of you who are in university,

  1192. or those of you who are struggling with intellectual things,

  1193. this is a deep part of the Christian worldview.

  1194. It's why it is that it's within the Christian worldview

  1195. that science developed.

  1196. It's why it is that in the Christian,

  1197. it's only the Christian world,

  1198. every other system of thought

  1199. is going to lead you to a sense

  1200. that you must be determined and you have no free will.

  1201. And it's only in the Bible that we understand

  1202. that there are lots of things that overwhelm our free will,

  1203. that we have viruses, there's Alzheimer's,

  1204. there's things that cause dementia.

  1205. There are huge forces,

  1206. and the Bible doesn't say that we have free will

  1207. and every single thing,

  1208. but it says we have significant free will

  1209. and that God made us for freedom.

  1210. He made us for love.

  1211. That in fact, at the heart of the Christian faith

  1212. is that from all eternity,

  1213. the Father has loved the Son

  1214. and the Son has loved the Father.

  1215. And that out of love of the Father from the Son

  1216. and the Son from the Father,

  1217. that out of that abundance of love,

  1218. that all creation came into being.

  1219. And that even when the creation fell,

  1220. out of the abundance of love,

  1221. a complete, self-sufficient, unending,

  1222. eternal, unstopping, unfailingly love,

  1223. that out of this,

  1224. that the Son willingly set aside

  1225. his glory and honor and divine prerogatives

  1226. and came to live amongst us

  1227. so that he could do for us

  1228. what we could not do for ourselves

  1229. when we decided that we would be like God

  1230. and therefore bent ourselves

  1231. and became addicted to the desire

  1232. to be like God

  1233. and to see God as the clay

  1234. and us as the potter.

  1235. And we who could not save ourselves

  1236. or help ourselves,

  1237. Jesus came and died upon the cross,

  1238. taking upon himself

  1239. our desire to be eternally separate from God.

  1240. And he took all of that upon himself

  1241. and he offered us

  1242. when we put our faith and trust in him,

  1243. a faith and trust in him

  1244. that comes because God first called me

  1245. and there's nothing choice about me,

  1246. but God called me

  1247. and I put my faith and trust in Jesus

  1248. and he is the one

  1249. who makes me right with himself

  1250. and I now no longer am a vessel for destruction,

  1251. which is what I want,

  1252. but when I put my faith and trust in Jesus,

  1253. calling out to God for mercy

  1254. to do what only he can do,

  1255. he makes me a vessel of mercy

  1256. to reflect his glory.

  1257. Only the loving,

  1258. all-powerful,

  1259. and sovereign God

  1260. can be the ground

  1261. and guarantor of human freedom

  1262. in an ordered creation.

  1263. Just seven and eight,

  1264. we'll do them really quick.

  1265. Seven,

  1266. this isn't to shut us up.

  1267. The potter and the clay thing,

  1268. that's not to shut you and me up.

  1269. Remember I said that it's,

  1270. you know,

  1271. earlier on that God's grace

  1272. calls me into the real world?

  1273. God's word silences my boasting

  1274. so he can have a conversation with me.

  1275. You know,

  1276. some of you have maybe gone to a supper meeting

  1277. or something,

  1278. you sat beside somebody,

  1279. all they do is boast.

  1280. Like how many of you like going to Facebook pages

  1281. where all they ever do

  1282. is talk about how wonderful their kids are

  1283. and how they're always successful

  1284. and they're always winning awards

  1285. and they're going from strength to strength?

  1286. How many of you say,

  1287. I want to check that page out

  1288. because they boast all the time?

  1289. I love going to that.

  1290. Okay?

  1291. Nobody does that.

  1292. God's silence is our boasting

  1293. so we can have an honest conversation

  1294. with us,

  1295. our need for mercy.

  1296. The final point,

  1297. by grace alone,

  1298. through faith alone,

  1299. in Christ crucified alone,

  1300. God has made me into a vessel of mercy

  1301. prepared for his glory.

  1302. By grace alone,

  1303. through faith alone,

  1304. through faith alone,

  1305. in Christ crucified alone,

  1306. God has made me into a vessel of mercy

  1307. prepared for his glory.

  1308. Listen to what it says again.

  1309. In order to make known

  1310. the riches of his glory

  1311. for vessels of mercy,

  1312. which he has prepared beforehand

  1313. for glory.

  1314. Friend,

  1315. some of you might say,

  1316. God would never call me.

  1317. He's called you.

  1318. God could never do anything

  1319. out of my terrible,

  1320. crappy lump of clay.

  1321. He can do anything.

  1322. I don't care how God,

  1323. no matter how terrible you think you are

  1324. as a bunch of clay,

  1325. even if you think you're old,

  1326. wrinkled,

  1327. cracked,

  1328. broken,

  1329. disgusted,

  1330. whatever it is.

  1331. This is the wonderful thing

  1332. about the text.

  1333. God can take any lump of clay

  1334. and make it into a vessel

  1335. of mercy for his glory.

  1336. It doesn't matter

  1337. if you're 90 years old

  1338. or if you're a young person.

  1339. It doesn't matter

  1340. what your IQ is

  1341. or what your income is

  1342. or your educational attainments.

  1343. God can make you

  1344. into a vessel of mercy

  1345. for his glory.

  1346. He's calling you.

  1347. He does not tell you

  1348. these things in this text

  1349. to shut you up,

  1350. but to say,

  1351. Lord, have mercy.

  1352. You are the potter.

  1353. I am the clay.

  1354. I call out to you.

  1355. Make me a vessel of mercy

  1356. for your glory.

  1357. Please stand.

  1358. Father,

  1359. you know how deeply addicted

  1360. we are to believing

  1361. that we are the potter

  1362. and you are the clay.

  1363. Father,

  1364. you know that that's something

  1365. deep within us.

  1366. We thank and praise you,

  1367. Father,

  1368. that you have redeemed us

  1369. in Jesus,

  1370. even though we still

  1371. struggle with this.

  1372. Father,

  1373. we ask that you help us

  1374. to struggle with it more.

  1375. Help us, Father,

  1376. to be able to repent

  1377. at an ever deeper level

  1378. of this attitude

  1379. of our heart and our mind

  1380. that you are clay

  1381. and we are potter.

  1382. Father,

  1383. may your Holy Spirit

  1384. bring us ever deeper

  1385. into Jesus

  1386. in the mystery of redemption,

  1387. the mystery of what

  1388. you accomplished for us

  1389. on the cross,

  1390. that we might let go

  1391. and relax

  1392. and understand

  1393. that you are the potter

  1394. and we are the clay.

  1395. And we thank and praise you,

  1396. Father,

  1397. that you call us.

  1398. We thank and praise you,

  1399. Father,

  1400. that when you call us,

  1401. you make us right

  1402. with yourself

  1403. and that you are at work

  1404. within us

  1405. in the circumstances

  1406. of our lives

  1407. to make us

  1408. ever more plainly

  1409. and ever more clearly

  1410. into all eternity

  1411. a vessel of mercy

  1412. prepared for glory.

  1413. Father,

  1414. we thank you

  1415. for this great

  1416. and precious promise

  1417. and make us

  1418. disciples of Jesus

  1419. gripped by this gospel

  1420. living for your glory.

  1421. And we ask this

  1422. in Jesus' name.

  1423. Amen.

  1424. Amen.

  1425. Thank you.