Sermon
No image or idol
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Transcript
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Father, your word is written, and Lord, you've given us minds and hearts to feel and to think,
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to rationalize. Lord, help us to come to your word in honesty. Help us to be true about ourselves
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so that we can come to you in truth. And Lord, would you give us grace this morning? In Jesus' name,
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Amen.
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Amen. So I'm guessing that probably a certain amount of people here, a good number of you have
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grown up in an Anglican setting. And if you're familiar with the Anglican setting, for you,
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seeing images like this of Jesus is fine. But for some people who are newer to the Anglican way,
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if you're like me, you walked in this church and you saw these images and you're wondering what is
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going on. Like, isn't that what the second commandment forbids us to do? And so what I did,
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I saw that, but I just, you know, I said, you know what, I'll just stick it through. They teach the
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Bible here. So like, I don't know, it's evangelical. They believe the Bible. So I'll just stay here for
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a few other weeks, but there's something about these images. So with the text that we're going
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to look at today, we're going to have some indication as to what we should do with these
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images. Should we repent as a church for having images like that, or is it okay? So if you have
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your Bibles with you, you can turn to Deuteronomy chapter 5, and we'll read from verse, I'll start at
Deuteronomy 5 chapter mention
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verse 8. So this is the second commandment, and this is the second week of our series for the
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10 commandments. So the second commandment starts in verse 8. You shall not make for yourself a
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carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or that is on the earth beneath or
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that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them. For I, the Lord,
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your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and
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fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me
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and keep my commandments. So this is the commandment, that we shouldn't make a carved image, and the
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implication here is that it's a carved image of God. So as Christians, we believe that Jesus is God,
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and here we have an image that was created by human hands and that we set up every week.
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Is that a sin against the second commandment? Is that what the second commandment forbids?
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Well, in the Protestant tradition, we believe that the Word of God is at the center of worship,
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and let's just kind of take a look at verses 1 all the way through verse 7, and we'll see the
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importance of God's Word, or actually 1 to 5. So, and Moses summoned all Israel and said to them,
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Hear, O Israel. So there's the Word. God is speaking through his servant Moses, and the first word comes
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to them saying, Hear, hear, O Israel, the statutes and the rules that I speak,
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that I speak in your hearing today, and you shall learn to do them and be careful to do them.
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The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. Not with our fathers did the Lord make this covenant,
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but with us, who are all of us here alive today. The Lord spoke with you face to face at the mountain.
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And here, face to face, it's not saying literally face to face. God was not literally face to face,
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but God was in their presence, and it was in an intimate setting, face to face at the mountain,
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out of the midst of the fire. And out of the midst of the fire is talking in terms of,
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it's a language to communicate that God's presence was consuming like a fire.
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While I stood between the Lord and you at that time to declare to you the word of the Lord,
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for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up into the mountain.
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So, here we have in the opening verses of the chapter, the emphasis is on the Word of God.
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Do we hear God's Word? And when we hear God's Word that God declared, that God spoke,
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what is going to happen? Are we going to obey? And this theme is something that we see all the way,
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starting with Adam in the garden, Adam and Eve hearing God's Word and disobeying God's Word.
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And then we see later on with Abraham. Abraham heard the word of the Lord, he trusted in the Lord,
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and his faith in God's Word was counted to him as righteousness. Now we have Israel hearing God's
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Word, establishing a new covenant, and the fulfillment is found in Jesus, who is the Word of God.
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God become flesh. So, here's the theme is really, really important of the Word of God,
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and that's what is central in our Protestant understanding of worship, because it seems like
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that's what the Bible is making central. So, the question remains, are we sinning corporately every
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week by limiting and containing Jesus in these images? Is that what the church has done for so many
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years in history? Well, let's take a look at the second commandment again, just at the very beginning.
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It says, you shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything,
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and anything going on, saying anything that is of a creature nature.
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And the point of this is to say that we cannot hold God or contain God in this image, in an image of
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worship. And that's what we call a New Testament. In Greek, we have the word icon, and it's similar to
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what we have on your phones or on your computer. The icon of, say, Google or Facebook or something,
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you click on it, and then you have access to all of Google, all of Facebook, all of whatever icon
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you have on your computer. Now, is this what we have here? Do we come here and experience the
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fullness of Jesus by looking at these images and by engaging with these images? Just like in Exodus,
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we have the story of Israel making a carved image out of gold and saying, when Aaron said,
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this is your God, Israel, who delivered you out of Egypt, are we saying, church of the Messiah,
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this is your God who saved you from your sins? Or do we say, when we have the wooden cross set up
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here usually, do we say, this is the cross that you need to hold on to, you need to physically hold
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on to this cross because they will carry you all the way to heaven? Or do we say, when we have a
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worship experience with music, with song, that when we have the right instruments, the right voice
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singing, and we have the slides are changing perfectly on cue, and the lighting is just right,
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and that's when the Holy Spirit comes. The Holy Spirit is in the room. It's just, it's tangible.
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Is that what we're saying? The answer is no. That's not what we're saying. We don't believe
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that we can manipulate God, that we can play with God in such a way that we'll activate him,
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kind of like rubbing stones on a piece of wood and creating a fire. That's not what we're saying.
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But what we are saying is that these images here serve a different purpose, that we don't come here
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to engage with God, like with an idol, like the second commandment is prohibiting. But these images
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serve to tell a story. So they communicate a story that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary,
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he was crucified, and he was raised from the dead. They tell a story. They move us away from the
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pictures. They're not meant to be accurate in and of themselves, but they're meant to tell us of a
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story, of a story that the word encapsulates. And so even with words, we can create imagination.
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With words, we can tell stories. And this is what the images are doing as well. So here's the big
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question. Why does God command us to not make images of him? Why does he command us to not make
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images of him? I answered that a little bit already. But the first reason, which I believe, is that
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God reveals himself. When we create objects of something, it derives from our imagination.
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I recently had a conversation with a friend who, it was an acquaintance I haven't seen in a little
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while. And I mean, it was an acquaintance. We met a few times. We talked a bit, but that was a couple
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years ago. I just saw him last week. And he said, Jonathan, I thank you so much. Thank you so much
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for the blog post that you put on the internet and how like, yeah, you're engaging with culture and
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showing a really good Christian view on how to engage with that. And I said, oh, that's great.
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But it's not me. Like, I didn't write those. I don't do blogs. You're probably thinking of someone
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else. And then I was able to clarify with him verbally that, yeah, in fact, it was not me. It
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was another Jonathan. And I kind of looked like him, but it was not me. So with my words, I provided
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clarity. I revealed to him who I am and corrected him. And he was thankful. It was a bit awkward,
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but he was very thankful that we're able to continue. And he has a right perception of who
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I am. And that way we can engage in truth. So is it possible that we do that with God?
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Is it possible that we come to God with a perception that is not of God, that is of our own doing?
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Now, this is, I think, what the commandment is first trying to drive home. We have the first
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commandment, which we looked at last week. It talks about having God in our relationship,
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a unique relationship, that he is our God, we are his people, and we are to put him first in our lives,
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that God is to be preeminent in our lives. And now we come to the second commandment,
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which talks about having a right understanding of God, that God is transcendent. God in his nature
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is holy. He's uncreated. And so this is, in having a relationship with someone, you want to have
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a right understanding of them, a right knowing of them, if you're going to have a truthful relationship
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with them. When I first started my relationship, another relationship analogy, please bear with me,
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my girlfriend, now fiance, we had, we really liked one another. And we read a really helpful marriage
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book that said that what we really liked was our perception of one another, because we didn't
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actually get to know each other yet. We only knew a little bit of ourselves, of one another. And what
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we really liked was an image, a fantasy of the other person. And then as the more we get to know
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each other, the more we're able to clarify that this is who I am, this is who you are. And that way,
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we were able to have a true relationship where we actually get to know each other more and more.
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And as we know each other more and more, we're able to love each other more and more. And so this is,
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I think, the idea that God is trying to show here. Let's read verse four again. So
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just to get a real drive home, just to drive home the point that God has revealed himself. So
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chapter five, verse four, the Lord spoke with you face to face at the mountain, out of the midst of
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the fire, while I stood between the Lord and you at that time to declare to you the word of the Lord.
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So the Bible says that God has revealed himself. And with that revelation, when we come into a
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relationship with God, we need to continually test our perception of God so that we come into a right
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understanding. So Andrew, can I have my first point, please?
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So to understand God apart from his revelation in his word written is to not understand him.
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It is a good and fearful thing that God has revealed himself.
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Now, you might be thinking here, maybe you're not a Christian and maybe you are a Christian,
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but you're not too sure about this whole revelation thing. And you might be wondering,
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don't all religions start with someone inventing a deity and calling it God? Like, isn't that how
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religions start? Like, isn't that how Christianity started? Like, just somebody who decided to make a
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story and that is where, that is what religion is and that's what all religions are. Like, isn't that,
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isn't Christianity just the retelling of pagan stories through history that, and just to try to
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explain the inexplicable? So the question, are all religions the same? Well, no, they're not. But
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the reason why people make that claim is because, and there is some truth to that, is that yes, they
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usually start with one person making a claim about God, but that's not the case with Christianity.
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And no, they're not the same. No, the religions are not the same because they're not all about
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explaining the inexplicable. See, religions and worldviews have things superficially in common.
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So in the surface of things, they look alike. Usually religions and worldviews will tend to provide
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for us a framework on, on how we ought to live. They'll give us instructions on how to be a better
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person, for instance. But where they differ completely is either in the reality that they are part of,
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of history, if it's experiential. But most importantly is how do we get to that, to do the
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right things? How do we get to follow that religion? Is it because we see that it's a good thing,
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that it would be better for us to do because we would become better persons? We might become more
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successful. We'll make friends by doing it. Or is it because this God whom we worship interrupted
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human history, while he has created it, comes into history, reveals himself, and to not believe him
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is to deny reality? Is that really what it's about? So here's the thing. Christianity is not a religion
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that tries to give answers for the unknown. It's a reliable account of history, and it's even a
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biography of the true and living God dealing with humanity. So this leads us to the fact that having a
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right information about God is important because so far we've come to understand that God created
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all things, we live in this world, and God has revealed himself. And so to have a right relationship
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with God, we need to have a right knowledge of God. Just last week I had a conversation with one of my
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brothers. He's a pilot, and he's been a pilot for a long time, and he's known a lot of pilots who've
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unfortunately lost their lives in flying airplanes. And he said what happened was that these pilots,
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they would follow their radars, and the radar would only be so accurate to tell them that there's a
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mountain coming ahead, but it wasn't accurate enough to tell how high the mountain was. So a lot of these
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pilots were flying into clouds and hit right in the mountain and died. And so the reason I'm sharing
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this is because having the right information about something can have some pretty serious consequences,
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or not having the right information of something can have some pretty serious ramifications. And so we
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want to have a right knowledge of God. So if I were to summarize in one statement the idea that to have
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a right information of God is to seek to know his essence, his nature, and that they are different
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than creation. They are different than the created order. And the second commandment is telling us that
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we cannot think of God, Yahweh, the Lord God of Israel, in terms of Egyptian and Canaanite worship,
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which is what is primarily trying to address here, that we cannot think in those terms, where God is
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one with and part of creation, and he is not a creature like a fish or a bird or any animal.
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He's different from them, and he cannot be represented by such images.
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So, why is this relevant to me and you? Why does all of this matter? Why does God's character matter?
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Well, let's look at verse 9. Continue here at verse 9. It says,
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You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God.
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So, it's saying here that we should not bow down to these images and serve them. And what it's really
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picking up on is that human beings are creatures of worship, that if we don't have a tangible revelation
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of the true and living God, we'll turn to other things and we'll worship. And we'll worship when that
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thing fails, we'll worship something else. And we'll keep going and worshiping and worshiping,
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because it's part of us. And what, if I were to define worship just in a very simple statement,
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I would say that worship is a service to and an intimate identification with the object of our
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affection. So, we tend to seek something that is greater in life, something that is more powerful in
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life. We tend to say words like, thank goodness. Well, who's goodness? Who's that? But for some
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reason, we're thankful to something greater. We're thankful to something that might have provided
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goodness. And in some ways, if you're familiar with your Bible, in the book of Acts, there's the
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altar to the unknown God. And that's basically what it is. Thank goodness for this. And I say it. I'm not
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saying that it's a bad thing to say, but I'm just kind of pointing something out. So, here it says,
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verse 9, you shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God.
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And now you're thinking in your seats, I don't have to worry about that. I don't have to worry about
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bowing down to an image or serving an image. That's an ancient thing. These people were not
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intelligent enough to know the difference. Well, here's what it's trying to say. When it's talking
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about bowing down, we need to understand the principle behind that. When we bow down, we show
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honor, we show respect, we show allegiance to a king. We say, my liege, and we bow. And in doing that,
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we show that this is something that is of great importance. And so, whether it's the true and living
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God or if it's other things, this is what it's trying to draw here. And then when it talks about
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serving, it's talking about worship. Worship that demonstrates our love. So, when we love something,
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we want to dedicate ourselves to it. If it's a good cause, if it's a political party, if it's a
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cultural norm, we want to invest ourselves in it. And that is what worship is getting to.
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And so, whether it is politics or good causes or culture, as Canadians, we love to invest ourselves
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and to identify with these things. And those are things that the Bible is trying to show here,
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that we are worshipers and we serve, we bow down to these things, and we let them influence us and
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change us in a way that will serve their purpose.
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So, here it says that God is jealous. In verse 9,
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you shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God.
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Why is he jealous? Well, these things are not God. Our political party, whether it's the old
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political party or the one that was right now, however we feel about them, they're not God.
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Our culture does not define what is right and wrong. God defines what is right and wrong.
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And these are images that we have in our culture that we try to attribute deity to.
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So, now, Andrew, can I have my second point?
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We are image bearers of God, image bearers who chose selfishness over a glorious relationship
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with our loving creator.
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So, this is the second reason, I would believe, that God commands us to not make carved images of him.
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When we read, we'll go back to verse 8, and we'll read the words here that are really important,
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that are resonating, something that was spoken of before.
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So, verse 8,
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you shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, and so on.
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So, the two words here, image and likeness, are seen in juxtaposition in Genesis chapter 1,
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verse 27,
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when God says,
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let us make man in our image,
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after our likeness,
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and let them have dominion over all the earth.
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See, in Genesis 1,
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it is God who created man.
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God created man in his image,
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in his likeness.
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Now, after the fall,
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it is man who tries to create God
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in his image.
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He tries to create God in his likeness.
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And this is what this commandment is trying to say.
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Look, this is an error.
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You can't do that.
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God is self-sustaining.
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He's self-sufficient,
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self-existent from all eternity.
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And we are mere creatures.
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How can we think that we can
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arrive at a conclusion,
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we can create God
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and contain him
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and put him in such an image?
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So we see a reversal of roles
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in the mind of human beings.
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And what this does,
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let's just read that again.
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We are image bearers of God,
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image bearers who chose selfishness
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over a glorious relationship with our creator.
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What I'm trying to communicate here
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is that we,
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in our sinfulness,
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in our sinful inclinations,
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to create a subversion image of God,
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is that we want to cut off
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any type of accountability with God
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by pretending that God is sculpted
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by human imagination and human hands.
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But the truth is that human beings like God
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are not statues that are static
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and have no moral responsibility.
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We are dynamic,
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and our actions have moral ramifications.
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So here we see,
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at the height of human sin
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and arrogance and pride
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is a willful ignorance
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of God's existence and person.
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Andrew, can we have the second point?
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Our imagination is a sacred,
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God-given gift
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that we must shepherd.
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Either we imagine rightly about God
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and thereby cultivate humility,
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or we imagine falsely about God
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and foster pride.
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Our imagination is a mechanism
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that God has given us
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so that we can see something
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that is not present tangibly.
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So he gives us this imagination
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so that we can create wonderful things
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like art, like music,
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like do scientific experiments,
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that we can tell stories,
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that we can do poetry,
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all to help demonstrate
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his character and his purpose
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and his goodness
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to all of creation.
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And so we need to use our imaginations
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to ponder about God
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and ponder about his goodness
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and render back,
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give thanks and worship God
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with our imaginations.
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But the problem is that
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we use our imaginations
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to ponder how we can gain power,
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how we can gain success,
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how we can scheme our way
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up the ladder.
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And in doing that,
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we often betray
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our fellow human beings.
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So we create another image of God,
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a worship idol,
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to pretend that we are not image bearers
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and let ourselves off the hook
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when we sin.
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Andrew, can we have the next point?
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With our nature bent towards sin,
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we deflect responsibility
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and moral accountability.
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We hide behind the fig leaves
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of philosophy and modern thought,
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claiming innocence
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from our wrongdoings.
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Isn't it common that we just think
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we brush religion off
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or at least Christianity off?
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We say, oh, that's just an old book.
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That's just an old fairy tale.
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Well, and we just dismiss it, right?
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And in creating an image of God
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that's saying that God
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is smaller than he is,
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that God is maybe very, very loving,
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we tend to give ourselves
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the license to say,
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well, maybe the way
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that I treat my employees at work
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doesn't actually matter.
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I can do this and it'll be fine.
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Or maybe the way
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that we treat our sexuality
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in such a way
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we can say that actually
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God created me this way
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and he's fine with it.
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I can do what I want with it.
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And we reduce God
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in a smaller God
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so that we can hide ourselves
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behind the fig leaves
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of philosophy and modern thought.
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So here's the thing.
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Our pride feels safe
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when there is a God
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limited by our imagination.
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And worshiping it
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makes me look pious.
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We like to look like
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we're doing good things
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as Canadians.
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We like to look like
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when we give a good amount
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of money
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to a certain resource organization
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or we give our time.
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We tend to do this
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so that people will look at us
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and say,
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oh, look at him.
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Look at Jonathan.
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Look at the way
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that he serves his church.
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Look at the way
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that he serves his neighbors
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in his neighborhood.
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Or we look at
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different
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maybe missionaries
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who go to do missions.
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And it's maybe because,
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you know,
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look at me.
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Look at the way
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that I'm doing this.
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Or we try to work
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in a good environment
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to make lots of money
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really quickly
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and maybe even
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unethically
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so that,
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you know,
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we can help the church.
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We can help
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our family.
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And so here,
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this is what's important
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is that we have
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a right understanding
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of God,
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a right understanding
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that God is
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who he revealed himself
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to be.
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So let's look back.
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We'll read verses
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8 to 10,
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which is the whole
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second commandment.
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It says,
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You shall not make
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for yourself
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a carved image
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or any likeness
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of anything
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that is in heaven above
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or that is on the earth beneath
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or that is in the water
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under the earth.
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You shall not bow down
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to them or serve them.
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For I,
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the Lord your God,
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am a jealous God,
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visiting the iniquity
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of the fathers
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on the children
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to the third
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and fourth generation
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of those who hate me,
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but showing steadfast love
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to thousands of those
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who love me
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and keep my commandments.
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So, so far,
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we see that we can't
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contain God.
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We can't bind him
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in our attempts
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to control him.
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And it's also telling us
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that we are God's images
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in creation,
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that we're meant
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to reflect his character,
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that we are accountable
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in the actions
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that we do.
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And so,
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in being created
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in his image,
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we ought to reflect him
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in creation.
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And it's also talking
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about how God
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is jealous
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over human beings
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for our unique privilege
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as his image bearers
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who seek
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their own advancement.
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So, whether you're
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a Christian or not,
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we tend to think
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that God
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is either good
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and nice.
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You know,
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he's kind of
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the old grandpa
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God
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who will accept
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everything
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and
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he'll just be
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very nice
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to his grandchildren.
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He'll give them
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a lot of gifts.
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So, we tend to think
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of God
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either like that
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or we think
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of God
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as the
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merciless bear
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who's just hungry
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and wants to shed blood
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and who wants
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to destroy us
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off the face
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of the earth.
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But here's the question.
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Who does God
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say he is?
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Who does God
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say he is?
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Let's look back
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at verse 9.
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It says,
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For I, the Lord,
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your God,
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am a jealous God
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visiting the iniquity
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of the Father.
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So, here it's talking
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about God
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bringing judgment,
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holy judgment,
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a judgment
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that is set apart
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because there is
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a purpose
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that isn't met.
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There isn't love
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that's rendered
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back to God.
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People,
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in their pride,
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in our sinful nature,
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we tend to think
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badly about God
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and we don't want
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to have anything
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to do with God.
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So, God brings judgment
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to bring order
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back again
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in the hope
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that they will repent.
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And here's the second thing,
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but showing steadfast love
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to those who love me
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and keep my commandments.
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And so, God's love,
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God reveals that he's just
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in his judgment
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and now his love.
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He's steadfast in his love.
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His love endures forever.
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It's saying to a thousand
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generations,
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I believe,
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in the Exodus
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or here as well
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in verse 10,
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but showing steadfast
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love to thousands
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of those
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who love me
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and keep my commandments.
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And the word thousands
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is just trying
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to paint the picture
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that it's so much love
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and God wants
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to show
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his steadfast love
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to those
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who love him
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and keep his commandments.
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And he's jealous
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over them.
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He shows jealous love
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because there's
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an intimate relationship
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there
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that is supposed
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to be,
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that's supposed
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to happen
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with human beings
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and God.
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God.
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And so,
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here's the thing.
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When we think
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of God
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in these terms
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that he's both
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just
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and he's both
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loving,
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he judges
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and he shows
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grace and mercy,
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this tells us,
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at least in the ancient days,
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nowadays,
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it's hard to tell
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because I even struggle
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with that,
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to think of God
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as a God
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who shows mercy
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because I tend
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to think
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in an entitled way.
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To think,
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of course,
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he owes me love,
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he owes me grace,
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he owes me mercy.
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But here,
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it's so unique
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of God
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that he's
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a just judge
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and at the same time
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a loving,
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loving God.
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And we see
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the clearest picture
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of all this
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when God sent
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his son
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to die
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on our behalf,
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to die on the cross,
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when Jesus
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offered himself
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to be crucified
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at the hands
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of people
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who would reject God.
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So, let's just
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have our next slide,
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which is essentially
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the gospel.
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So, we are
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image bearers of God,
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image bearers
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who chose selfishness
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over a glorious
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relationship
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with our creator.
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Christ is the perfect
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image of God
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who chose to suffer
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and die
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at human hands
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and who was raised
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to eternal life
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to make things right
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between us
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and God.
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God.
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So, if this is
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actually the first time
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that you come
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to somebody
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sharing the gospel
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with you,
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that maybe this is
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the only explanation
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that you've had
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about the gospel,
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this is really
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what it's all about.
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It's God showing
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his love
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and showing
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his wrath,
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pouring it on Jesus,
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the wrath
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that sinful people
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like you and me
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should have
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borne ourselves.
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So, God shows
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his justice
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that he pours
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his anger
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against sin
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and our sinfulness
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on Jesus
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and he shows
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his steadfast love
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by sending Jesus
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so that his arms
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are wide open
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and he's asking
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you to trust in him.
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In the service
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so far,
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we've looked,
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we've said
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the words
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that God said
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in the Bible
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that he does not
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desire the death
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of the wicked
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or of the sinner
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but that they would
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turn from their
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wickedness
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and live.
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This is God's heart.
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This is God's revelation.
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I don't want to have
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anything to do
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with a God
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who's not like that.
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I'm too sinful.
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I need a God
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who shows mercy,
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who shows steadfast love.
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I don't want a God
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who flatters me,
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who makes me think
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better of myself
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than I actually am
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so that I
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hurt people
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that are around me.
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No, I need a God
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who deals
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rightly with sin
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and who deals
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mercifully
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with a sinner.
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And that's Jesus.
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And that's Jesus.
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So here's the thing.
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Everyone here
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has sin in their lives
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that separate us
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from God.
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And our only hope
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is to trust in Jesus
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and to confess
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our sins
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so to receive
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the pardon
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for our offenses
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and power
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by the Holy Spirit
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to live a new life.
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Please stand.
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Father,
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as much as we
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on a daily basis
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want to think
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of you differently,
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if it was for my will
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and Lord,
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I would make things differently.
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But Lord,
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you are the God
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who is holy.
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You're the God
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who's eternal.
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You're the God
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who knows
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and sees all things.
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You're the God
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who sees
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every thought
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in the imagination
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of my heart.
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And yet,
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God,
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you show love.
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You show mercy.
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You bring things
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to a right end.
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And Lord,
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this is the hope
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that we have in you,
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that you would make
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things right
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in the end.
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that it does not
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depend on us
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who made things wrong
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and now have to
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make things right.
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No,
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it's you,
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Lord,
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who's shown it to us.
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You've shown how
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you want us
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to be made right
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with you.
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And Lord,
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this is our hope
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that you will make
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things finally
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right with you.
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Lord,
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would you give us
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grace this day
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to continue our lives
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in light of this gospel.
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In Jesus' name,
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Amen.