The Love Challenge | Trinity Talks Podcast

Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's episode

of Trinity Talks. My name is Kyla. I'm Britton.

I'm still Bill. And we are here to wrap up our

Advent conversation. Christmas is coming, folks.

Oh, no. Yeah. I don't know if we feel ready for

that or not. Theoretically, we've had four weeks

to get ready. but I don't know. Spiritually.

Spiritually. Yes. Yes. And that is a very different

thing than logistically. Yes. Yes. Or commercially.

Or commercially. Yes. Yes. Yes. But we have lit

four Advent candles and all that is left on our

wreath is the Christ candle, which of course

doesn't get lit until Christmas Eve. And the

fourth candle in our Advent candles in the Advent

wreath is the candle of love, which is very nice,

I think. Yeah. Yeah. And it's also, I guess,

traditionally the Sunday where like one of the

readings would be Mary's Magnificat. Yeah. And

so like, I don't know. I feel like those things

go well together in my mind because Mary's like

talking about. like she's so mary the mother

of jesus and like obviously there's a lot of

love there between mother and child but then

mary's magnificat this like song about the coming

of jesus is all about like god's love coming

and like yeah changing things i think so that's

pretty cool receiving god's love responding to

god's love yeah yeah it's pretty cool stuff um

yeah so when you think about love um first before

we get into like what that is like I don't know.

What's like, do you have like a memory or like

a feeling or like a thing that comes to mind

when you're like, ah, that's love? Peppermint

heart candies. Okay. So it's a very specific

flavor. Yeah, I eat a lot of that during Valentine's

Day. And if I can get my hands on it outside

of that, then yeah. But that's like my visual

representation of love is peppermint heart candies.

Okay. But different from Valentine's Day love,

which would be cinnamon. flavored oh no sorry

it's cinnamon oh my goodness you're correcting

me yeah my flavors are so off That's wild. That's

disrespectful to the candy brand. Hopefully they're

not sponsoring it. I like peppermint. Peppermint

love candies. It's cinnamon. The little red hearts

you're talking about. Those are cinnamon. Not

peppermint. Maybe they exist. If they were peppermint,

I would like them better. I'm not a big fan of

cinnamon hearts. Oh, okay. Wow. Okay. Peppermint

hearts on the fourth Sunday of Advent next year.

Okay. Great. Love that. We're putting it out

there. Yes. Yeah. Okay. What about you, Bill?

Is there like a visceral like thing that's like,

this is love? Yeah. I think when I think of love,

I think of, I just think of moments of family

and not even great moments. Just like all four

of us driving in the car, you know, be driving,

we're going somewhere, we're going somewhere

as a family or I'm driving around dropping everyone

off different places or something. It's just

like family in action, family in motion, just

all together, safe. Yeah, you know that. I mean,

yeah, that's that's that's the deep, visceral

kind of feeling of just, you know, wanting to

take care of people and see people getting where

they're going, not only on the day of the drive,

but through life. Sure. And yeah, so that's that

sense of. A family when the the recognition of

it existing is a great thing. And the understanding

of its absence and its effects is the negative

thing. Sure. So if it's there, amazing. If it's

not, then we miss it. Yeah, it's traumatic. Yeah,

sure. Yeah. I think when I think about love sort

of similar, there's no like, ah, this big moment.

It's like, oh, no, like the little like cozy

moments, you know, and just like being with the

right people, like drinking a cup of tea. like

last night like sitting on the sofa with my partner

just like watching tv like just like chill you

know this is love yeah and it sounds lovely we

had an experience yesterday where um a friend

of mine uh their two senior uh folks were in

the area in my neighborhood so they came to to

my house and they just sat with my wife and i

and we just talked for like hours in trinidad

they call it a lime when you're just hanging

out there's no end time or anything it turned

into like a stop, turned into dinner. Uh, and

I made this meal that is like very Trinidadian

that I never made before. And I was able to give

it to them and they had it. And, and that when,

when they left, uh, I was just so overjoyed.

Maybe joyous candle I'm referencing, but like

there was this. like this feeling of kinship

that I had with them. And it was, yeah, there

was some, we couldn't pinpoint it. We were trying

to figure out why is it this house feels more

bubbly since they left. And I think it was just

that sharing together that time, which is over

Christmas, we do, right? We spend so much time

with family and friends and just getting a bit

of that in our home was. was joyous for people

that acts of service is a, is a, is an expression

of love. So it's, yeah, it's no surprise that

when you're had the opportunity to, to show your

love to your friends and family, that it felt

good. It felt beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I

think like love. It naturally sort of sort of

comes hand in hand with Christmas, at least for

for a lot of folks, not for everybody, for sure.

But, yeah, there is as we think about getting

closer to this Christmas season, as we think

about getting together with friends and family

and that like relaxed time. Like, yeah, love

is is what comes to mind there. So then we think

about these different aspects of love is when

we think about love in like a biblical sense,

is it? sort of the same as some of these things

that we've just been describing? Are there some

differences between like how we are talking about

love and the way that the Bible talks about love?

Yeah, I think like if I come back to my example,

like something about that felt like there was

this bubbliness. It's like a feeling. I'm confident

as the evening wore on, it probably faded a little

bit and I got tired and went to sleep and I forgot

about it. But I think love in the Bible is like

agape. And agape love is like a principled love.

It doesn't sway with the seasons or with emotion,

but it's there. It's steady. It's consistent.

And I think that's the kind of love that God's

calling us into, not necessarily one that moves

with our emotions. Those things are a part of

our life, but it's something consistent and solid

and principled. Yeah. So it's like, I think it

can be like some of those feelings sometimes

do accompany like a biblical love, but it's also,

you're right. Like something that's a little

more sort of solid. Yeah. I guess. Yeah. I think

our expression of love, uh, is a facet of, of

God's love. Um, the, uh, it's, uh, like Brett

was saying, it's not as, uh, you know, it may

not be as, as permanent or as consistent or as,

you know um uh always um uh they are accessible

as as human love but it is uh it is our It's

our expression. It's God's love flowing through

us. So God's love is the perfect love. And in

the Advent season where that love is God sending

Jesus as the gift to the world at Christmas,

there's no greater love than that. God for so

loved the world that He gave His only begotten

Son, right? That is the kind of... full and perfect

love that, um, um, that God makes available to

us. Uh, and then there's the, and then there's

our expression of that, that love, which is,

which is, you know, our, it's our human love,

but it's, but it's a, it's a divine love that

flows through us. And I think that's different.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like the, the source of that

love is God first, not us first. Yeah. And there's

a, there's a trans transformative element to

that too, that, uh, that we're God's love flowing

through us. Uh, it, it, uh, changes, uh, what

we do and how we act. Um, and, uh, and, and also,

you know, changes us from the inside out. Yeah.

Or at least it can't. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. For

sure. yeah i think the other thing that i think

about like god's love and then like ideally our

love is that like god's love just doesn't have

a limit um and it doesn't have a limit on any

one person it's not like okay if you do this

this this and be like god will stop loving you

or like after this amount of time god will stop

loving you but also God's love doesn't have a

limit on like, it's like width on like how many

people it sort of extends to. And so then if

our job is like followers of Christ, it's like

live that kind of love. Then like our love doesn't

get to have limits either, which is hard and

scary. Hard? Yeah. I think that's why it's principled,

right? So like the two greatest commandments

is to love God and to love your neighbor. And

I think what... what God is what's what's happening

there is like you know sometimes your neighbors

are not great yeah or there may be people you

like have uh like problems with there could be

deep conflict that is happening there and what

God is asking you to extend in loving your neighbor

is not something that's moving with emotion because

emotion can move if I'm in conflict like when

I was a kid and I was in conflict with my siblings,

like, oh my gosh, like we didn't, I don't want

to talk to this person. But love for what that

means for me to love them is to know like, even

in. I'm not loving you because of what you've

done. Right. Just as God is not loving us because

of anything that we've done. Sure. God is loving

us because God is love. And for us, it's to remember

that, to remember that when we as humans were

not lovable, God loved us in the same way we

are supposed to love others. Right. With that

same type of expression. Yeah. Yeah. That's good.

I was going to say something similar to that

by saying, you know, that. Advent love is God

sending Christ to us. And it transforms us. And

then the next part of that is acts of service.

Like Britt was alluding to. It can't just be

a feeling. It can't just be that love inside

us. It needs to flow out of us. And I was thinking

of an analogy for this. The perfect vessel versus

the broken vessel in terms of containing God's

love in us. And I think we as humans are broken

people. And I think a lot of us, in order to

feel comfortable receiving love, feel like we

need to be the perfect vessel that will hold

God's love and contain it. And I don't think

that's how God's love works. I think God's love

is supposed to flow through us. I think it's

almost like the design is as a broken vessel,

as God's love is being poured into us, is seeping,

is pouring out in the cracks all over the place,

all over everything else. And as opposed to the

perfect vessel that we think we're supposed to

be, where we go, okay, God, I got enough love.

I'm full. You can go away now. I'm great. Just

saw me all by myself. I'm like, I'm content.

There you go. And the, but it's, but it's, but

in the broken vessel, you know, God is pouring

his love and it's, and it just pours out onto

all the other people around you, which I think

that's the point. Sure. And then you're just

going, you know, keep pouring God. It's coming.

It's spilling everywhere. I'm not, I'm not full

yet. Keep going. Keep pouring. Right. And we're

part of that flowing of God's love into the world.

So the call to action. was a super a huge part

of the advent love and god's gift and yeah and

and what we're meant to do with with the with

that love and that sacrifice that christ has

done for us yeah the other thing like i sometimes

think about like the order that the candles are

placed in i'm wondering you know who decided

this and why and whatever but like love seems

like a really good place to end it not not that

like it's over but like to sort of put in this

part of the sequence because to me i think about

like okay hope is where we sort of started like

yeah we need that first and like christmas is

still a long way off so we need some time for

hope and then like okay peace is like yeah like

peace is the thing we're all hoping for and then

joy it's just like you know a little levity in

the middle and love as like i think of love as

like the primary reason for Jesus coming, right?

Like all of the other reasons that Jesus has

come kind of fit under the like category of love.

Um, and sometimes I think that we think of like,

Jesus came to like die on the cross and this

is true, but I don't think it's the only reason

Jesus came. Right. And like that moment on the

cross summarizes love, but like love, is present

in like all of jesus's life i think right like

in the way that he interacts with other people

in the fact that like the son of god was like

i'm gonna become a person now who like has limits

and like will be hungry and like experience life

like that i think of as a kind of act of love

like yeah just like all of jesus Yeah. Well,

I mean, certainly you've got hope. Yeah. You've

got joy. You've got peace. Yeah. But I've heard

from a very reliable source that all you need

is love. Yes. This is true. The Beatles, the

Beatles Bible. Yes. All you need is love. Yeah.

So then, okay. When you guys think about like

the life of Jesus and this idea of love, like,

How did like, just like reflect on that? Like

what is, how does Jesus's life like reveal God's

love to us? Hmm. Are there ways that, yeah. Like,

so like I said, I think the first thing that

I think of is like Jesus's interactions with

other people. Yeah. Just like first and foremost,

they're like always based in a spirit of like

love. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely see like the way

that I think from the moment. Christ was born

to the moment he died and was resurrected. The

people he was surrounded by give us a picture

of what salvation will look like and what the

body looks like. I think that he was. He was

there with his parents, but he was in a stable

with a bunch of animals. Very humble, but also

was visited by the wealthy and by the poorest

of the poor, by those who were wise and by those

who society would consider simple or unintelligent.

everyone was in that mix. And I think that narrative

continues or continued, uh, and it continues

and it's, uh, and so, yeah, I think that's, I

think that's one way. Um, cause I think what

love pushes us to do is for us to one, um, be

humble. Uh, two, I think for many of us be uncomfortable.

Uh, sometimes it's cause it could be hard to

love. Um, I've, I've worked in some conditions

where, you know, there's people who are, who

I don't want to love because they've, they've

said mean things to me or, uh, they have a prejudice

or discriminatory views of me. And, but I love

them anyway. Um, because I know that that's what,

that's what Christ has done. not just as an example,

but has done to me. Um, so yeah, I think I can

go on and on and on and on and on, but yeah,

I think the people that God surrounded him, that

Jesus surrounded himself with, uh, were a true

example of what that love looks like in action.

Yeah. Yeah. I think there, ultimately it's the,

um, the sacrificial. uh, redemptive love of Christ

on the cross. I mean, that's the, that is, um,

uh, you know, everything, Jesus' life and ministry

builds up to that. Uh, and so that is the, that

is the ultimate expression of, uh, of God's love

for us. Um, but I think, uh, I think like Britt

has said is that, you know, the, we, um, uh,

we experience, uh, or know, uh, love in a lot

of the, day -to -day examples of Jesus' life

and ministry, of caring for others, of looking,

of, you know, recognize and lifting up the least

of these, you know, healing their sins as opposed

to their physical ailments, recognizing that

it was, you know, their spirit and their heart

that needed healing first, and then the bodily

healing came second, right? So just demonstrating

or experiencing that love on a day -to -day basis

with his closest friends and with people that

he ministered to. They're all great examples.

Yeah. And I think that loving... The people who

are hard to love is like, that also shows up

in Jesus's life. Like he, he loves the outsiders,

but he also in like one of the stories that I

think about is when there's this rich young ruler

who like comes to Jesus and he's like, Jesus,

I really want to follow you. And Jesus is like,

okay, so sell everything you have, give it to

the poor and then come follow me. And the young

man is like, I can't do that. And he walks away.

what the gospels then say is like jesus looked

at him and loved him and like even though this

man couldn't make that hard choice even though

he didn't ultimately turn around and follow jesus

jesus looked at him and loved him right and yeah

so it's like not about the choices that we make

or don't make it's god just loves yeah it just

is yeah yeah yeah and loving and like the understanding

like while i know the person I'm in relationship

with might not be in the place that I, or I believe

that God wants them to go. Sure. I love them

anyway. Yeah. And pray for them and love them

into what God is calling them into knowing that

God is doing a good work and that God can, we

don't know the end of the story for the rich

young ruler. Right. Yeah. But God loved him anyway.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think like, so then as

we think about that, like it's, it's, one thing

to sort of look at, okay, what did this look

like in Jesus's life? But like, what does it

look like for us to love the people who are hard

to love? Um, and like, especially, I think it's

one thing to sort of like love the people who

are hard to love that. Like we don't need to

interact with regularly and be like, ah, I love

you. I'm going to like show compassion, like

think the best towards you. And then, okay. So

that's like one type of person. And then there's

the other type of person who's like, I, interact

with you on a regular basis and this is clearly

a hostile relationship right like how do i love

that person like what does that look like interesting

well i think uh first and foremost by necessity

i think we need to uh figure out how to love

our friends and family of course we're around

them all the time yes and the um and that might

sound strange to say but i but i think i mean

But when love is not just a feeling, but it's

a discipline, right? It is like some of the other

themes of Advent. We're saying that it is a gift

of God, but it's also something that we can grow

and develop in ourselves. And so sometimes, sometimes

we need help to love the closest ones around

us. And I think there's, there's another layer

of relationships that a circle that goes out

beyond there, which might be coworkers and, and,

you know, people in the community and things

like that, that some, some we like, some we don't

like, but we're called to, we're called to love.

So what does it look like to, to love them? So

we kind of figured that out. And then I think

there's I think there is another group of people

that we might not necessarily associate with

on a day -to -day basis unless we're involved

in community programs and stuff, and that's the

homeless and the hungry. And as the Bible says,

the poor and the naked and the sick. And so I

think that is also a group of people in our community,

in our society, that we need to think about,

oh, how do we show? How do we express our love?

How do we express God's love through us to that

particular people group? Is that about making

a donation? Is that about showing up? Is that

about helping as a group? Is that about helping

as an individual, like volunteering with a group

of people or volunteering on your own someplace?

What does that look like? I think we're called,

I think God calls us all to express love for

the least of these among us. So our question

is, what does that look like for us? What does

that look like for me to do that? That answer

is going to be different for different people.

But I think it needs to have... our the our expression

of god's love needs to have an element of that

sure or it's not god's love in its fullness it's

yeah it's something that's both like very practical

and yeah extends to each of these circles as

you were just saying it's a it's a selfless love

it's a practical love and it responds to uh the

needs of others in the community yeah yeah for

sure for sure yeah yeah I won't be too critical,

but like, not critical of you, but I'm just thinking

about love and I'm thinking about like, it's

very easy for us to. say, within our local communities

that we're loving. But most of the people within

our circles are people that are like us. We tend

to be attracted to people that are, you know,

like similar things, probably have similar cultural

backgrounds and similar socioeconomic backgrounds.

Like those are the things that like usually tie

us together. Sure. So I often ask myself. uh

when I look around and I think about like who

who am I loving who who do I care for if I'm

just caring for folks that are just like me um

and there's we can have a whole conversation

on demographics and how people like find themselves

in physical spaces and all that because that

plays a role in it but I think there's lots of

opportunities where we intentionally leave out

or find convenient ways to not love people that

are not like us in various ways. And it's easy

to do that. It's easy for us to like, you know,

take the go transit. And as we make our way through

the lines, just like ignore the people that are

sitting there on the side. It's probably also

easy for us to ignore people that have different

like political views or ideologies and not extend

love to them. I think the question for us truly

is like, what is if love is not just this like

cute feeling? um, or a convenient habit, then

like, what does that principle love look like?

What does it mean for me to show up and love

people who I might deem hard to love? Um, or

yeah, what does that look like? And I think that's

a, it's an exercise that we're, as God reveals

himself to us, we will learn more about that

looks like. Um, yeah. So I, yeah, I don't have

like an exact, like an exact answer to like what

it, what it can look like, but I know what it,

I know what's challenging. Um, but I know what

it does for me when I start feeling like I just

want to like throw people away and I don't want

to extend love to them. Then I come back and

I'm like, okay, well, I remember when I was.

worse off than I am now or more challenging in

in my or critical of of individuals of myself

and all these things and God loved me anyway

and God used people to like those broken vessel

pieces use those broken parts to flow love through

me to me um so I think that's like as we remember

where we were and where we are I think that can

help us in just being just open to to loving

people in a principled way. Yeah. Like as I reflect

on like what both of you have sort of been saying,

like, I think about there's like, maybe not one

thing that we can say, okay, this is what love

looks like. But I think there's a series of questions

that we can ask ourselves, right? There's a like,

okay, so like, who are we loving? And like, who

are we maybe leaving out of that love? And we

can ask ourselves, okay, like, how am I loving

them? And am I loving them? in ways and at times

where it just like feels convenient and easy,

or am I still showing up when it feels hard or

when it feels costly? Right. And like, I think

the other thing is you were like thinking about

these circles of people and like starting with

friends and family. The thing that I reflected

on was like, sometimes we can think we are loving

our friends and family well, but they don't necessarily

feel well loved. And I can see that. And so,

maybe it's worth asking your close friends and

family, like the people that you live with, Hey,

do you feel loved? And like, I don't know, maybe

that's a weird question to ask just like that

out of the blue, but like find some way to like

bring that about and be like, Hey, like what

do I do that? Or what do I not do that? Like

makes you feel cared for that makes you feel

like you belong, whatever, however you want to

sort of word that. Right. Well, that's that's

why I think. Yeah. And that's why I think love

is both a gift and a discipline. Right. Yeah.

I think I think we are we are gifted. We are

made to to love. And the but I but I think it

also takes it also takes work. So I think I like

you're saying you have you have your friends

in your family and you express love to them.

And I think that is that is. That is part of

what's needed, but it's a very basic level of

expression of love. I think as you grow in your

understanding of faith and what love is and different

kinds of love, then you grow and you develop

to the point where you can not just... express

generic love but you can but you you then uh

understand that people receive love in different

ways right and that it's not just the that one

love that kind of love that that kind of makes

that works for everybody and and so you begin

again that's that's the work of of love in a

relationship is right is understanding how they

receive love and learning to show love in a way

that that they receive even understand it yeah

yeah yeah for sure for sure yeah yeah love is

something like i feel like we like talk about

it and we think i know what that is i know what

that feels like but like it's complicated yeah

and it's yeah yeah it's like it's something that

you said bill where it was like um In Christ

healing people, he healed their spiritual needs,

their spiritual, their sins, and then also their

physical needs. And I'm trying to connect how

I got this, but the thought that's coming to

me is like there's... God shows up in a particular

way that meets our moment and meets our specific

needs. So I'm not going to do the same thing

for every single person. I'm going to do what's

needed for that person in that time. And I think

Christ was the greatest example of that, right?

What we needed was a savior and we needed someone

to be our substitute. Uh, Christ could have just

said, well, I'm just going to sit back and I

know what they need, but I'm not going to do

it. But what he did was he came as a baby and,

and lived as a man and died on the cross to,

to pay for our sins. Um, so yeah, I think like

what, what love really looks like is it's one,

you have to be in relationship with people to

know what their needs are, to know what their

specific needs are and then, and then be that,

um, in that way. my caution though is like don't

like there's healthy ways to do that sure and

there's unhealthy ways to do that don't lose

yourself yeah so how can I show up in the way

that I am uh that meets your need in that unique

way um yeah yeah and I think like in the like

thinking about healthy ways and unhealthy ways

of doing that like sometimes the healthiest way

that like I can show you love is actually to

say Hey, Britain, I understand you have a need

right now. Here's somebody who can like actually

help you. Right. Like I don't have to be like

the fix it person. Right. I can be like, OK,

you need food. That doesn't mean I need to cook

for you. Sometimes it does. But it could mean,

hey, I'm going to help you get to the services

that will give you the food that you need. Right.

Or I'm going to volunteer at the services that

help you get the food that you need. Right. Like

it's yeah, it's all about balance and like finding.

each person's sort of role in that. I think.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's love. Love. It's pretty,

pretty cool thing. What's, what's love got to

do with it? Everything. It's the whole candle,

the whole point of Christmas. We're wrapping

it all up in love. Um, yeah, but not just like

a fluffy love. No. A love that like gets its

hands dirty. I think, I think that's, I think

that's a crux of maybe this whole thing is that

we're, is that the love that we're talking about,

and we didn't even joke about the fluffy love

at the beginning and get down to like the serious

love of God. But the, I think there is a, there

is a difference between that kind of. you know,

whatever else fluffy or the, the, or romantic

love or the, you know, whatever. And the, and,

and the kind of, of love that from God that we

have, or that we're meant to have for, for each

other, which. which I think translates into acts

of service and is an essential part of our faith

development, is receiving God's love and expressing

God's love in others in ways that are meaningful

to them and respond to their needs. Like we've

been talking about this whole time. Yeah. Yeah.

Love that shows up. Love that does the hard things.

That's right. It can't just be a feeling. It

needs to be present. It needs to be, it needs

to show up. There needs to be action, thoughtful,

caring, compassionate. Yeah. Yeah. I'll say the

first step then is you need to recognize that,

or we need to recognize that we, we must love

everyone. And I think that. If I can, like there's,

where was I? I was somewhere and someone told

me they loved me. And I like look back, I'm like,

I don't know if I would say that to you. Do I

say it back? I'm not sure. But, and reflecting

afterwards, like, no, I have, I don't have romantic

love for this person. We barely know each other,

but there is a love that I have for this individual.

And it's the love of Christ. And I think if we

can start seeing like everyone that we see. Yeah.

I love you. Yeah. I don't love I don't love you

because of what you did. Right. Or even who you

are. Well, actually, yeah, because you're a child

of God. Sure. But I love you because Christ loves

you. Right. And yeah, I think that's if I like

the shifting of our thoughts, like to say, like,

I love you. I love you. And it's not because

we spend all this time together because you got

me really great Christmas gifts. I like Nikes.

I like fruitcake. Okay. Okay. Good to know. Good

to know. My mom makes a really good fruitcake.

Oh, and you're going home. And I'm going home.

And you're coming back. I see fruitcake in my

future. But it's not because of all those things.

No, not at all. No. I love you anyway. Thank

you. It fluffs it up. It fluffs it up. Behind

that fluff. Love's still there. Yes. Yes. Love

and fruitcake. Yes. Yes. That's why Jesus came,

right? That's right. Yes. So as we come to the

end of this Advent journey, like I said, we started

with hope. This like we need a thing to look

forward to. And that thing is coming in Christ,

has come in Christ, is coming again. We hope

for peace. We get this like sense of like things

will be well. We have this gift of joy. Like

we get some delight in the midst of all of the

craziness of life. And then we focus in on love.

But like there is this moment of Christ coming

that. meets us in our deepest, darkest places

and says, love is there with you. And then calls

us out of those deep, dark places to extend that

love into the rest of the darkness. And like,

that's Christmas, folks. It's pretty, pretty

cool season. Love it. Yeah. Well, thank you for

tuning in to this week's episode of Trinity Talks.

Yeah, I pray that your Christmas season is a

season filled with love. whatever that looks

like for you, and that you are able to experience

that deep sense of hope, peace, joy, and love

that sits with us now and throughout the rest

of our lives. We'll see you again next week.