Beyond Sunday, God's Word at the Centre

Welcome to be on Sunday an extension of the preaching

ministry here at Leamington EMC. I am pastor.

Wait, I'm not pastor. I'm Jonah.

I'm just Jonah. I'm joined here as always by

Joe, just Joe or Joseph, whatever you want to call him.

Joe, how you doing today? Very well, thank you.

How are? You I'm good.

My mouth is on like sort of on fire.

I just ate some chicken wings. Not, not chicken wings, chicken

breast that was doused in some wing sauce that I made using

some sauce from a church member that gave us some like, oh, man,

it was so good. But right now I'm experiencing

some minor pain in in the mouth region from that sauce.

But anyway, yeah, that's how I'm doing.

Well, you preached a sermon on Nehemiah Chapter 8 on Sunday

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after your long vacation. Yeah, and the name of it was

God's Word at the century. Yeah, we have a Canadian

spelling of that word. I actually, when I was

preparing, I, I wrote it the other way and I'm my whole, the

whole time I'm wondering like my, my word processor is like I

got it underlined in red. And I'm like, because I always

knew that like there's different spellings of the word depending

on how you use it. Like not just like American

versus Canadian, but also like depending how you use it.

But so I sort of looked it up and like in Canada, technically

the correct spelling is CENCRE. Which is super weird.

It's this Walmart Super Sentry. So we always say that when we

drive our like sentry. Does it actually?

I've never does. It actually is actually spelled

that way. Oh, OK, interesting.

But no, it is interesting my my software because I'm an

American. My Bible software is set up

where it doesn't correct it if I type it in English, but if I

export it to Word, which my computer setup in Canada with

the Canadian keyboard, it says it's misspelled.

So anyway, God's Word is at the center.

We say center even though it's spelled weird.

Nehemiah chapter 8. So why don't you give us a

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rundown of your sermon and then we'll chat about it a little

bit. Yeah, yeah.

So really this chapter really was focused on on all of that.

It was focused on God's Word being at the center of his

people here. The people had you know, we've,

we've been going through the book and Nehemiah comes back and

he has a vision from God to rebuild the wall.

And so he comes back and, and of all the things that we we've

seen so far right, like Nehemiah's devotion to God, his

commitment to prayer, he comes back and they begin to rebuild

the wall. And you know, they have

opposition from outside opposition from inside, but they

completed in 52 days sort of miraculously.

And you know, as you preached last week about now, they're

beginning to reinstate like the servants and the Levites and the

singers and the priests and all these things so that they can

get back to the proper worship and, and proper following of all

of God's commands. And, and now the beginning of

the 7th month, they begin to celebrate the, the Feast of

Booths. And so now they're sort of like

bringing God's word back, which it, which it is kind of like, I

mean, they finished this this wall in record time, right?

52 days, which they said all their enemies were fearful

because they could clearly see that God was behind it.

And is it just a coincidence that it was finished like days

before the beginning of this feast?

You know? No, not at all.

It was exactly like the Lord's timing, you know.

And so, yeah. So now Ezra comes and reads the

law. And so really my my points in

the sermon were, yeah, basically the flow of the passages.

Ezra reads the law, the people begin to understand it, you

know, they weep, and then they begin to obey it, right.

And so God's word comes back to leading and guiding his people.

And so that was the focus of my sermon, God's word at the

center, how God shapes his people.

And my points were my first point was God's word unifies us

when we hear the word, when we worship the word, when we

understand the word. And that's exactly what happened

in this passage. As Ezra read the word, the

people listened and then they worshipped and then the leaders

actually went out to make sure they understood.

And, and in all of these ways, these people were unified

because they were gathering together, but recognizing that

what unites us is God's Word. And then the second thing,

second point was God's Word transforms us.

And then I used this illustration of the piercing

comfort of God's Word, which one of our professors you know,

Doctor Pierre? Yeah, Doctor.

Jeremy Pierre and he was our counseling professor and this is

like the piercing comfort of God's word and the one handed

you see here with the Israelites.

It pierced them because it like exposed their sin and exposed

the fact that God had been faithful, but they had been

unfaithful and it made them feel guilty like the conviction of

God's word. But then.

Go. Sorry, you never reminded me.

Yeah, I got to cut you off. You reminded me.

It is connected to this. But when Doctor Pierre he he

really emphasized the fact that all ministry is a ministry of

the word. And that was one thing that that

stood out to me. And I think it when he was

talking about this, the piercing comfort of the word, he was

talking about like all ministry is a ministry of the word, which

is goes hand in hand with what your message was.

Anyway, I'll let you proceed with giving us the.

Run no, and that's and that, but that is so helpful.

Like every ministry is a ministry of the word, like and

that actually was helpful to me this morning.

Like someone texted me and, and just shared something and, and

as I was praying for them, like a scripture came to my mind.

And so I'm like, I'm just going to text them that scripture

because. And then I just thought to

myself, I should be more intentional to do that, right?

It's not my advice that's going to help them.

It's not my wisdom that's going to help them.

It's God's word that's going to help them.

And so when we were praying for people and scriptures come to

our mind, I think sometimes we think they already know that

verse or they already know that. Like, I don't need to, but

still, it's still a ministry of God's Word.

And we're just like the Israelites.

We're really dull, you know, We forget very quickly.

Well, it reminds me of the reading plan that we're in right

now. And you go to, I think today's

reading was Exodus 34, where the Lord gives Moses his name,

right? Yep.

Moses asked to see his glory, but the Lord gives him his name.

And he says, he says the Lord, the Lord a merciful and

gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and

faithfulness, keeping steadfast love for 1000 for thousands,

forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin for those.

Anyway, he goes on saying he's a just God and all these different

ways. But that verse is repeated

throughout the Old Testament countless times.

We did an exercise in young adults this last week where we

took that verse and we just went and had, I had them look in

their reference Bible and start to find all the different

references to the different attributes that are listed there

that God gives. And you can, it's just almost

unlimited. Like how many you can come up

with each one. But at least a dozen times it's,

it's listed in some way, like some way, but at least four

times it's like listed identically.

But it's because we're hard headed.

We need to hear it over and over again.

And so like. We need to be reminded.

In your example, you give the verse because they need to be

reminded, even though they may know it, right?

Yeah, even though they may know that that verse, they may have

memorized they, but they may not be coming to mind.

And the Lord may be using you to bring it to mind.

Yeah. And that's the way he uses us in

our, in, you know, relationships too.

Absolutely. Well, no.

Now that you OK, now that you said that, OK, we're just going

to like maybe stay here for a minute, OK?

Because now that you said that, I really was thinking about that

this morning when I read that passage, like Moses had just

previously asked, like, show me your, show me your glory.

Like I want to see your glory and God's like, well, you can't

see my face, but I'll pass by you and you can see my back.

And so now in this, in this passage, when he, when he

reveals himself to him, how does he reveal himself?

Like he reveals himself with who he is, right?

Like you said, this description of who God is, it's like, it's

odd, right? Like if I were to say, like if

if you and I had never met face to face and you're like, and

you're like, hey, Joe, I want to see you like I wouldn't be like

Joe, you know, I wouldn't give you like a description of me.

I would show you a picture of me, right?

But the thing that that is so interesting about that, I don't

know why this illustration came to my mind, but I was like, Hey,

let's just imagine that I showed you a photo of just a random

person from India, let's say, and I showed you a photo of that

person. I would just say, tell me who

this person is. You would look at the photo and

you would begin to go, OK, well, let's say he's wearing a suit.

Well, he must, he must be in corporate, you know, he must

have a, some kind of job because he's wearing a suit.

His hair, his hair's really nice.

And so maybe he really cares about his appearance.

He's wearing an earring. So maybe he likes to have fun on

the weekend. I don't know, whatever.

Just you, you would begin to make judgments of him based on

his appearance, right. But now, if I were to say, hey,

tell, tell me about, tell me about Anthony fair.

You would not say one single thing about his appearance,

right? You wouldn't, you would start to

say, oh, Anthony, man, he is such a great guy.

He's he's very kind. He's very friendly.

Like, he's very compassionate. You know, he he doesn't, he

doesn't get mad very quickly. Yeah, he's, he's very committed

to this church. He's very committed to his wife

and his son. And like, notice how quickly

that changes, right? How everything is initially

based on appearance for someone that you wouldn't know.

But when you really know someone, it's you begin to talk

about their character and who they are.

I just thought that was so interesting that the Lord you

like, he describes his character and he's not so much concerned

about an image, right? He actually commands them.

Don't make an image of me, right?

I am who I am. Well, he gives.

He gives more than an image. Right, like.

He also gives us it. It shows us how we can like, we

can be like him. So it's more you can't look like

God, right, right. You, you can't, you can't

literally, you can't look like anyone else unless you're a

twin. And then then there's

differences still. But but you can, you can mimic

what he does. You can mimic being forgiving.

You can mimic the different attributes that he has.

And so he's saying, Hey, this is the way you're supposed to be

like I'm, I'm showing you who I am because I want you to copy

me. I want you to treat others the

way I look at you. And so I think, and we see that

too, the connection. We, we're spending way too much

time in Exodus, but we see that too when we're connected to how

Moses intercedes for the people on the mountain previously.

God is showing him like he's never more like he was never

more like God than he was in that moment.

And the fact that he, he showed grace and he in mercy and

compassion for the people, even though they were being like

turds, you know, sorry, we can't edit that out, even though

they're being just irresponsible to, to say it in the best way

possible. Moses was acting like God.

He's acting like, like God who's slow to anger.

And so, I don't know, there's just so many pictures.

Like God wants us to act like him, not, not look like him.

Yeah. And so anyway, that's all I've

got. There.

No. That's so good.

But we need the reminders. That's getting back to the point

you're making like like someone text you.

We need to know the Word of God is central because it does

repeat itself a lot for us to know and to be reminded over and

over again. Yeah.

And so like, like getting back to the point, that's where God's

Word, God's word transforms us, and that's by piercing.

But then after the piercing comes the comfort, right?

When we're, when we, when we are aware of our sin, we recognize

our sin like the Israelites did and they confessed it and they

were mourning and they were weeping.

But then, you know, Ezra and the leaders are like, don't mourn or

weep. This is a day of celebration.

Like, like the Lord's favor is on us because we're turning back

to him. Like don't mourn, don't weep,

like celebrate, rejoice. And so it like comforts us.

And, and that sort of pictures the gospel that, yeah, I mean,

God, the gospel is offensive. I mean, it hurts, right?

Because it exposes our sin. And we don't like our sin to be

exposed. We, we want to hide it.

We want to cover it up, but at the moment, like it exposes our

sin and it pierces our hearts and makes us feel guilt and

conviction and all those things. But then it comforts us with the

truth that we can have forgiveness, we can have

cleansing and washing and be totally blameless and spotless

through Christ when we trust and believe in Him.

And so, yeah, I just thought that was such a beautiful

picture. And then our, the Third Point

was God's word grows us. So the first one was God's word

unifies us. Second one was God's word

transforms us. And the third one is that God's

word grows us. And as we study God's Word

together and as we obey God's Word together, cause here we saw

the Israelites, you know, we all saw these heads of leaders,

they're coming, the heads of the houses are coming together with

the Levites, with Ezra, and they're studying God's Word

together and they're obeying it. And that's where God was able to

grow them as a people. And they rejoiced as they were

obedient to his Word. So good, so good, really good 3

point sermon couple like I had written down.

I don't know if you said this specifically like word for word,

but one quote that I wrote down was the Bible isn't meant to be

mastered, but to be mastering you.

And I don't know if you had more to say about that or if that was

something you got from someone else.

It was something I got, something.

I did mention that in the sermon.

I couldn't remember. I did give away credit and it

wasn't original with me. I had some.

We were taught that very explicitly in seminary, right?

You don't always have to quote exactly who you're who you're

giving things from, because sometimes that can be a little

overwhelming at times in a sermon, but you need to give

away credit when it's not at. Least say you didn't.

You didn't come up with it. Right.

And so I did say I'd seen that in a, in a social media clip.

And yeah, I just, that struck me because I feel like sometimes

it, it is true that a lot of times maybe we go to God's word

and maybe unintentionally, but, but some of we go to God's word.

It's like an answer book or like we're trying to proof text.

It's like where I'm trying to get something to win an argument

or whatever, you know, and it, it was really helpful for me to

go, OK, God's word, like these texts are not meant to be

mastered. Like, like I become a master at

like using these texts to win arguments or whatever.

They're meant to master you like God's word, a God's spirit

working through his word is to control you so that you obey God

and long to obey him and subject yourself to God in his word.

That was just such a helpful, such a helpful illustration.

For sure. Yeah, I really, I really

appreciated it because often you're right, we often go to it

as like this self help book. And that leads me to like the

next question in your Third Point.

I wrote this down. Maybe you asked this question

again. I didn't write down like I need

to quote quotes around what I'm quoting from you.

But you said you said or I said something like I thought about

this or you said it specifically, I don't know

which. Why is God's word so important?

Did you say that? Oh yes, I did.

I thought it was my closing. Yeah.

So what? What is it like if you can like

you have more time now, What is it that's more like?

Why is it so important? Why does it have to be the

center of everything? Yeah, well, so where I went was,

you know, God again, it it tied into our our church Bible

reading plan where God just saved his people.

He saved them out of Egypt. You know, these 10 miraculous

signs, He delivered them out of the hand of their enemies, out

of slavery and he saves them. He calls them to be his people.

And then he tells them, you know, in Exodus chapter 19, he

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says, you saw how I delivered you out of slavery.

You saw how I bore you on eagles wings.

Now if you will be faithful to my covenant, you will be my

treasured possession. You know my holy people like a

royal priesthood and a nation, a holy nation, all these things.

And it's like that hinges on their obedience, right?

And what does what does their obedience mean?

It means that they trust and they believe in God, right?

They have faith in him because his word is telling them

something about who he is. And so all of these rules as we

get into God explaining and, and showing like, OK, here's the

structure, here's the system of worship.

I'm giving you a Tabernacle, a table for bread, a lampstand, a

towel, you know, all these different things that that are

supposed to be in here, these priestly garments.

And it sounds like a whole bunch of like rules.

And it's overwhelming when you read like this is how you make

it and all the different parts, right?

It gets a little tedious at times as we're reading it, but

it tells you that like, and then God says like, make it exactly

like this. And he even goes back to like

what I, the way I showed you on the mountain, right?

Like the, the replica that I gave you and showed you like,

just like that. Don't deviate from it.

Make it exactly the way I tell you why so that God can dwell in

their midst. And that's really the

overarching theme of Scripture. God dwelled with Adam and Eve in

the garden, but they sinned and so they got kicked out of the

garden. They got kicked out of God's

presence. And this sets the tone for the

rest of the Bible. Our sin separates us from God,

but God is so loving, so gracious, so kind that he he is

longing to restore what was lost, that relationship, that

connection. And so in the Tabernacle, we see

it God trying to restore it in the in the temple when once it's

like a fixed location. And then we see like that next

level of fulfillment is when Christ comes and now his spirit

dwells in US. And so the reason God's word is

so important is because we are now the temple.

You know, we make up God's dwelling place like God's Spirit

dwells in US. And so we need to be holy

because God is holy. So we need to obey and follow

God's word. We need to make it a part of our

everyday lives, but we're living it.

You already alluded to this already, not yet sort of like

situation that we're living in. We're, we're living in an

already realized, it's like God's revelation is sort of

already realized in Christ. There's that first layer of

layer of fulfillment that that Christ has now brought in this

new covenant whereby his Spirit dwells in us.

But there it's not yet fully realized because we're not

perfect yet. And we don't dwell in God's

presence without sin. And that's where we're looking

forward to Revelation 21, where the new heavens and the new

earth come down out of heaven and we're with God in

perfection, you know? Yep, that's your, that's your,

your big theological word for the day that Joe just laid out

for you in a very plain way, which is great.

This is like inaugurated eschatology.

So it's already here, it's been, it started, but it hasn't yet

been fulfilled or completed. And so inaugurated, like we

inaugurate presidents, they're inauguration, they're beginning.

And then eschatology means just the end.

Yeah, the eschaton. So on that note, we did have

some feedback. Someone, a very astute listener

to your sermon, made a connection to the festival of

Booths, which you talked about in well, it's we talked about

the Feast of Booths because it came up in the text, which is

great, the festival of Tabernacles.

It's also known as right instituted by Moses and

Leviticus. And then this listener made a

connection to the book of Zechariah 14, which is an

apocalyptic chapter of prophecy pointing forward into

eschatology into something that hasn't happened yet.

I don't I don't think it's happened yet.

Anyway, it's pointing forward. His question was like, like,

first of all, they're they're obviously related because of the

festival that's happening. But what's really going on

there, Joe? Well, I have to start by saying

it's I, I, I had not, you know, made that connection or not seen

that. But yeah, as I, I, I did a

little bit of research and and obviously, I mean, just a little

bit, right? This this would require.

If you wanted a, you know, a really in depth or thoughtful

answer, I yeah it. Seems like Zechariah 14 is

pointing to the very end. Like whenever whenever Christ is

coming like looking like you think Revelation.

I think when I was reading it, I think automatically.

I'm thinking this thing looks like familiar.

Right, 'cause you, 'cause you, you.

And as you read it like, you know, because again, we, we, we

talk a lot about things being fulfilled in Christ, you know,

and that's, we're always trying to point to Christ in our

sermons and especially when we read the Old Testament.

We need to go, OK, well, how is this fulfilled in Christ?

And so as I was reading it, I was starting to think like,

well, was this fulfilled in Christ?

But then there are some things in there that you go, OK, well,

this, this doesn't seem to have been fulfilled in Christ.

Like it seems to be pointing beyond that, right.

Yeah. And so like you said, it does

seem to be. Pointing forward well the point

is it seems fulfilled in Christ, but not completed not yet.

So that's the thing so like fulfilled and that the fact that

that that's the inaugurated eschatology that you have to

like for us for, for our theological like framework like

that already not yet mentality is firmly rooted in my mind.

I don't know about you, but it is like something that is firmly

there for me. Right, yeah.

And so and so Zechariah 14, I guess just to lay it sort of out

it he Zechariah predicts this, there's going to be a time when,

when God's people are gathered together and they are going to

celebrate, they're they're going to together, celebrate this

Feast of booths again, this Feast of Tabernacles.

And so I think the question, the question was like, is that a

literal interpretation, right? Like what or or what is the

importance of like? Why would we celebrate that,

that festival in particular? Jesus has already come right,

Right. And so the little bit of the

research that I did, you know, I found somebody's perspective

that I thought that I thought was kind of helpful on this.

He kind of just talks about again, how the New Testament,

the New Testament writers understood that all of the Old

Testament was fulfilled in Christ.

And, and Jesus says specifically to the the Samaritan woman at

the well that worship is, is no longer restricted to a certain

place or certain times or certain seasons.

It's about the heart. And and then when we think

about, you know, the the end of time, we think of the

fulfillment of the fact that, well, what, what, what all the

Scripture is pointing to is the in gathering of of all people.

It was now like again, God always intended His people to

ship to be a light among the nations, but the New Testament

realizes that where the Gentiles are folded in as God's people

through faith in Christ. So when Christ comes, the

inauguration is instituting the new people of God.

That's the way I view it anyway. Yeah.

Instituting the new people of God at that, at that moment,

yeah, which is I think what you're describing.

Yeah, and in Ephesians, Paul talks about that.

He talks about like the dividing wall of hostility is gone.

That that there, there was two people.

There's no longer Jews, Greeks, Gentiles, Scythians, male,

female. There's no longer all these

distinctions. We're one in Christ.

We're we're one through him. And so this, this guy that was

writing this article that that at least from when I read it, it

makes sense to me. And this is this I guess would

be at at this point in time with a very little bit of research

that I've done would be what I what I would.

Be like 4 hours, you know so. Sorry, I would see what

Zachariah is saying is he's saying, yeah, they're going to

celebrate the Feast of Booths again, but and, and to what

extent it will be fulfilled, I don't know, but at least it will

it what it means is this in gathering Cause again, that's

what the Feast of Booths was that everybody.

Came to Jerusalem? Yep.

They set up tents, Yep. And they all dwelled together.

Yep. For what reason?

To worship the Lord, right? To listen to the law of the bed.

And and to it, it was a reminder.

It was it was like the bringing in of the first fruits of the

harvest, right. And so it was like, and that's

the that's fulfilled at the end of the age when God's people are

like harvested. You know, this person references

Revelation chapter 14 where it's like, here's the harvest.

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He's going to swing his sickle out on the earth and he's going

to gather all of God's people together.

And that's like, that is the first fruits of these people

that are gathered together to the Lord.

And so I guess to what extent it will literally be fulfilled or

not, I don't know. But I think that's like I was

saying to you before we started the podcast, like what Zechariah

can't do because he doesn't know is he can't go, OK, well, we're

not actually literally going to set up booths for seven days in

the wilderness. That's not what we're going to

do because of Jesus and all these things that are going to

happen. He can't say that because he

doesn't know that, and so he's just saying what's been revealed

to him. He doesn't know how it's going

to be fulfilled, and so this is how he's prophesying it.

Well, Peter said right? Did you read the Peter passage?

No, I didn't, but he did. Yeah.

You know, he sort of does talk about that, that this is what

the old prophets, the Old Testament prophets did.

They spoke concerning the salvation and grace that are

ours in Christ Jesus and, you know, the glory that is to

follow, right. So it's like they prophesied

what they knew to prophesied, but they didn't understand how

it was going to be and. It sort of shadowed, right?

So it's under, under like a cloud.

They didn't completely understand it.

Here's what the Lord has revealed to me now this is what

you need. Like that's, that's the beauty

of what the Lord, the Lord reveals what we need at the time

and no more because he wants us to trust him.

If he told us exactly how it was all going to play out, he's

given us a pretty good game plan.

But if he told us exactly, like step by step by step, then we

would be so prone to not, not think of him.

Yeah. Not to rely on him and trust

him. Yeah.

I don't know. There's something, there's

something that stands out to me in Zechariah 14.

I need to study it more, like way more.

But if something stands out to me like the, the, there's a

separation, the people who come the festival to the festival

shelters or the festival of the Tabernacles.

And then there are people who don't celebrate it, who are

punished. And so like, there's this

dividing of the people of God and then those who are not of

God. And so I think that's something

to draw out to. I think, I think our listener's

interpretation is, is a good one.

I don't, I don't know. I don't know if it's right.

I can't say if it's right or wrong.

I think there's room for, there's just there's room for

like opposing views here because we there is, it's talking about

a topic. We don't have all the.

Answers for Well, I think we would.

We would all. Agree on the Old Testament

scholar by no means. Right.

And we would all agree that it's scripture and for sure Zachariah

is prophesying something, it is going to be fulfilled.

Like we would all agree on that. Maybe how it is fulfilled

exactly? I don't know.

We don't know exactly, but I do I do think this perspective of

well, it is going to be fulfilled in Christ, right?

Like like this, this feast symbolizes a reality that is yet

to come where people are gathered in as a first fruits to

the glory of God. And I think so.

I think it's foreshadowing the salvation of of people,

salvation of souls. More than Israel.

Yeah, more than Israel. So that that's the biggest thing

to like, it's thankfully like there's more, more than Israel

that's that's offered to salvation.

Because I wouldn't be there. You wouldn't be there, right.

So, yeah, it's really, I, I really appreciate the, the

thoughtfulness of the question. Yeah.

Because what it does, what what you're seeing is what you're

seeing someone who's taking biblical theology seriously and

they're taking what we've been teaching seriously.

And like in that the Bible is telling one cohesive story

absolutely from the beginning to the end.

And, and it's just a really encouraging thing to see.

But even though they're harder sometimes to these, these topics

are harder to discuss because there's no like cut and dry

answer, right. And so biggest thing is what we

always say we can we agree in the most important things and in

everything else we show charity, yeah.

And love towards each other. Yeah.

So I think that was good. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. And as far as like, I guess, I

guess just drawing back, drawing back to the sermon and I guess,

you know, there was one, there was one aspect I think of of

that I really wanted to draw in on that I didn't, that I didn't

really have time for or I guess didn't make time for is probably

the better way to say that because you choose to leave

things out or leave certain things.

Yeah, We make choices. It's just like any kind of any

kind of thing you're doing. Like if you're, if you're

preparing a Thanksgiving feast, like at some point you run out

of time and so you got to make choices.

Do I, do I serve the pecan pie or the pumpkin pie?

Yeah. Or if I have time to do both,

that's great. But so we get, we got, we got a

pumpkin pie on Sunday. Now we're going to get the

pecan, right? Exactly.

Pecan's my favorite anyway, sorry.

Well, if you get together for lunch and dinner, you can have

one at lunch and and 1:00. At how many people you think are

going to say Jonah, you say pecan.

Wrong. I I mean some say pecan, pecan.

I mix the two together and say pecan.

There, there you go. Sorry, mix it together.

But yeah, I guess 1 aspect that I that that I wanted to hone in

on and I is like this, this, this pruning of God's word,

like, like why is it so important to be in God's Word?

And it's, and it's because of what we were already alluding to

before when we were talking about the Israelites and Exodus

and all these things. It's like they have such short

memories. Like we read, we read their

story. And if we're honest, we can't,

like, we go, OK, yeah, we're like Israel, but then we read it

and we're like, nobody's that dumb, you know, like.

I know. Yeah.

For. Sure, like you've been out of

you've literally walked through the Red Sea and you've been like

out of past the Red Sea for five seconds and you're complaining

about being thirsty. Like who is that dull?

Right. And it's the answer is us.

We we are all that dull. How James even says it, He says

like one minute, you know, there's there's praise coming

out of your mouth and the next minute there's like anger and

hostility and resentment and it's like brothers and sisters,

this should not be. And it just reminds me of how

quick we are, right? Like when we praising in the

car, listen to worship song, somebody cuts us off and the

next second we're cursing, right?

Like we are just like the Israelites.

But I think that's why it's so important to be in God's word,

because the world, the flesh, the our flesh, the devil, all

these things are working against us, right?

Trying to trying to turn us away from God, trying to find

satisfaction and fulfillment in the world, trying to find

fulfillment in the things of this life.

And those weeds begin to creep in our hearts of being the creep

and take over our life. And it takes the pruning of

God's Word. I got this from our professor

again. I was reading some of the notes

that I had from our class. The Pru takes the pruning of

God's Word to constantly be pulling those things back.

And the truth is it's like it doesn't just take one reading of

God's Word and it's like, oh, now you're good forever.

Same thing with an apple tree. Or if you have a garden, it's

like, you know, it's like you don't just pull the weeds once

and then you don't have to worry about it the rest of the year.

It's like you got to be on top of it all year, the whole year,

the whole season so that you make sure those weeds don't

creep in and take over. And I feel like that's so true

in our lives. It's like that's why we got to

be in God's word every day. Because every day I'm tempted to

find satisfaction in Facebook. Every day I'm tempted to get a

better phone, to buy a nicer car to to go to the golf course.

And maybe today I'll shoot my best score ever.

Like every day I'm battling those things, finding

fulfillment in the things of this life.

And every day God is saying taste and see that the Lord is

good. Be reminded that like God is all

you need. You don't need the stuff of this

world. And I, I say that because you

sent you sent a sermon last week from a from, from Doctor Cook,

one of our our previous pastor. And he was talking about the

life of David. And you know this he, he read

that passage. Oh, taste and see that the Lord

is good. And as we're coming up to Lent,

I just thought I might use that verse as my, as my verse for

Lent, as I, you know, try to give up some things and maybe

try to put in other practices in my life.

And I just thought like, you know, in a season where where,

you know, usually people, it's, it's food related, right?

Like I'm going to cut certain foods out of my life or I'm

going to cut bad habits out of my life.

I thought that's a really good verse to hang onto, to say, you

know, rather than, you know, running to sweets as my comfort

or rather than wanting to whatever it is, right, It's like

I'm going to taste and see that the Lord is.

Good. Yeah.

That sermon was really helpful to me because he's talking about

David eating the bread of the presents.

So that's whenever it is. David's in the on the run from

Saul and he's starving. He's got his men there.

And then they go and eat the consecrated bread, the bread of

the presents and, you know, breaks the law, whatever.

But then like, he, he acts like a crazy person.

And Doctor Cook was so like, like quick, he was quick to

point out that like David was the anointed 1.

He didn't have to act like a crazy person, right?

He, he's the, he's the anointed king, even though he hasn't, you

know, assumed the throne yet. But he, he forgot God.

Like he Doctor Cook made the made the point that in the in

the text in Samuel that that there's no mention of God in the

text in the story, in the narrative.

But then in the Psalm when David is recalling it, he says God so

many times he has had the time, the time to like the separation

from the event to be able to like really, man, I don't really

need to do. And just like you said, he's

trying to find salvation outside of God is what he was trying to

do be saved from the situation. And and we don't have to do that

like we have God's word and so taste and see that the Lord is

good. The Lord is going to take care

of you. He's going to satisfy your needs

and your wants and your desires. Yeah.

There's just such a good sermon. Yeah.

Anyway, I'll, I'll, maybe I'll link that in the show notes,

too, because, yeah, Doctor Cook's so good.

But that was just a really good lesson to learn.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

And I think that's why, again, just why we just have to be

disciplined to be in God's Word all the time so that He can, He

can be pruning away our flesh, pruning away the desires of this

life, and just helping us to find our satisfaction, our joy

in Him. Any other?

Well, do you have any thoughts on?

Hang on, let me find it. OK.

Verse three, he said. The first three, I'll just say

I'll just read it. And he read from it.

Facing the square before the Watergate from early morning

until midday, in the presence of the men and the women and those

who could understand. All the ears of all the people

were attentive to the book of the law.

Do you do you have anything to say about those who could

understand? Yeah, I, I, I didn't study this

a whole lot. I know Doctor Betson, his

commentary sort of pointed to the fact that like, well, it

mean this would have included like foreigners, this would have

included children, like anybody. And, and he sort of pointed to

the fact that, and, and I know a lot of our people would sort of

relate, sort of connect with this because they come from

backgrounds where children were sort of excluded from certain

parts of worship. And sort of Doctor Betts was

making the point that like there shouldn't be that separation of

like, well, kid, this is not for kids, right?

This it's like anybody who can understand should be in God's

word and should be hearing God's word and studying God's word,

right? And so I think that's an

important element to like you, you don't exclude, you don't

exclude people from from the hearing of God's Word, right?

Yeah, I was just like drawing an application.

Like obviously we don't, we're not like what the people some

people call like a family integrated church, right.

Like we don't, we have Sunday school first for kids.

We have, we have areas for kids to go.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean we don't want them in the service.

Right. So like if you have a conviction

of bringing your children into the service, by all means.

Yeah, do it. Come to the first service

though, because you'll have more room.

Well, I know people that do that.

You're absolutely. But we also want to make make it

clear, like I don't think we're being disobedient to this by not

by not saying, because what we're doing, and you mentioned

this in our in the sermon is what we're doing in the kids

environments is we're giving them the word of God.

Yeah. We're not like neglecting that.

It's not like coming over here and having a tea party.

Yeah. They're, they're, they're

listening to a Bible story. Yeah.

They're going through the entire Bible in, in the course of three

years. Yeah.

And they're, they're listening to a teacher give the Bible

story. They're doing like activities

that are related to the story and all the different things.

So I think it's important to note there's different ways to

do church. There's different ways that we

can set it up. We don't have the space for all

of our families in our church, for one thing, right?

That's a sort of practical reality.

But if you like baby, baby's crying.

Do they bother you, Joe, when you're preaching?

Oh, I Not at all. Me neither.

It's like it's sort of funny you.

Always apologize. I'm like, I didn't even hear

your baby crying. This last Sunday, I, I, I sort

of like noticed that people were looking at a certain direction

and then I sort of caught on to like, oh, there is, there is a,

a child that was like, and then I sort of noticed, but like I

didn't even notice to that point.

I know people ask me that and I'm like, sometimes I notice it,

but it's like I'm so focused on what I'm doing that it's like I,

I keep trucking along and. The thing is we're, we're

parents, right? And we, we know what it's like

to have kids, and we know that they're gonna be rambunctious

and they're not bothering anyone really.

But you. Yeah.

And so if you feel like you need to take them out, do that.

But don't feel like it's something that, like, everybody

around you, they might be sort of like, oh, whatever, you know,

can't focus in that moment. But the Lord's gonna.

The Lord's gonna give them and reveal them what they need in

the message, with or without your kid crying.

Yeah. So don't worry about it.

Yeah. Anyway.

But no, that is. That is a good thing to point

out though, because, yeah, I mean, there, there will be some

people. I mean, I know we have people on

both sides, both sides, right? People who do appreciate like,

hey, they want their kids to be in the service.

They want them to see that and, and they do, right.

So we have kids, we do have age graded ministries for children

up to grade 5 through grade 5. And so at that point they're

what, 10-11 years old. And so after that, then then

they would come into the service, right?

And so then we do fold them into like what we do in a Sunday

morning, right? And it's like you said, like I,

I do notice, like my kids will get more out of the Sunday

school than they will like sitting in the service, right?

I, I do know they get things out of the service, like if they sit

in, in the service, but we, I'm pretty diligent to ask our kids

what they're learning in Sunday school at lunch on Sundays.

And it's just incredible. Like, like, like the whole

story, like they're remembering like every bit and every part of

it, like the craft they did and, and the story and the

application of the story. And it's just, and so I, yeah,

I, I'm not like super hard on it.

Like I would never, never say like, oh, we'll never just have

kids in the service. I'm not that convictional about

it, but I'm convictional about kids getting the Bible.

For sure, yeah, 100% yeah. It's like we coach our teachers

in Sunday school to to read the story themselves or tell the

story themselves. And then we have we also have

the video that plays and shows the story with, you know, some

for the younger kids, it's like a a lady of ventriloquist so

does like a puppet. And then for the older ones,

it's like some pictures on the on the screen with someone

telling it and sort of like in more engaging way than right.

So they get it twice, at least twice in in the in the lesson,

which is helpful. But yeah, anyway, I just, I love

this, this versus where a lot of the people who think integrated

church should be like the, the only thing you do, the I think

the important thing is that God's word is at the center,

right? So that's the important thing we

need to remember. Well, and so before we move on

from that, I guess I'll just say like you oversee the children's

ministry and the Wednesday night ministry and, and what the kids

are learning. So thank you for your diligence

and your hard work on like having that conviction, right,

that we're going to be in God's word.

And you know, you guys, you guys working together with, with the

Sunday School Committee recently, like within the last

year worked on like how do we get a, the curriculum we've had

before was good, but then you guys work together to like,

well, how can we get more Bible in there or be more intentional?

And so you guys working together did an excellent job of like

coming up with a curriculum that gets our kids in the.

Word and everybody seems to really like it and that's good

yeah. Everybody that comes to teach

really likes. I think the kids do too.

So but yeah, it's it is a conviction of mine.

We have to make sure that we don't and it's not watered down.

They they don't skip things that are hard.

They, they just go for it. Yeah, which is good.

I mean, they do skip around, right?

Because they're they're kids. We're not reading.

We're not reading the end of judges.

OK, Don't be fearful of that. But yeah, it is a conviction.

And so, but yeah, then gracious, the Sunday School Committee and

all the different people who like takes an army of volunteers

to do it. They're all gracious to to say,

OK, this is what this is the vision.

This is what we're going to do. And so that's been, it's been

very good. So.

Yeah, and it keeps growing. But we knew want you to come to

the early service if you're listening to this, this will

just make a plug for the early service.

The early service is exactly the same, right?

Yep. No difference in music, no

difference in the sermon in the Sunday school.

If there's a difference in the sermon, it's very slight.

You might get a better sermon in the 1st on the first round

depending on who the preacher is.

That's actually really funny because I would have always

thought, OK, the second one, you've refined it a bit and so

it gets better and I and I feel like, hey, if you preach it

three or four or five times, I think that probably would be

true. It's like you'd eventually get

it so solidified in your mind that it would be better.

But I do find often times with the first one, the first one is

better than the best. You got all the energy, you're

ready to go. Yeah.

I found that like for most of the time, the first Rep is best.

The last sermon that I preached the.

I wish the second one was recorded, not the first, because

it was better anyway. Yeah, I think I find that like I

go off script more in the second one, like off manuscript more in

the second service when I'm preaching than I would in the

1st. And therefore you have.

Your thoughts aren't as connected as they should be.

You would you would think they would be more right, but I I

find the same thing. It's like I'm I'm although I

feel a little more free to go off script but that's when I I

miss things. I get ahead of myself and then I

think, oh, I got to go back now anyway.

I thought this was going to be the year of no manuscript.

Joe No. Not this year, not quite there.

What's your final thought for Nehemiah?

Eight, I think the final thought is I mean, obviously like, I

mean I talked a lot about the vision of our church to be like

word centered that in our preaching, in our teaching, in

our worship, in our Sunday morning gatherings, in our

Wednesday night gatherings, like in everything that we do, we

want to be word centered. And I think I would just that

that is a vision of our church. That's the direction that we're

headed. Like that's what we want.

We know that God's word changes people.

And so we that's, that's sort of our expectation of people that

come in, right? And so we want every ministry

that we do to be word centered. And so that no matter what, no

matter what event you come to, no matter what ministry you come

to, it's like you're going to be fed the word of God.

And so I would just encourage people to for you in your life,

right? I sort of posed that question in

the first point that like, what are you doing to put God's word

at the center of your life? I sort of it's a good question.

It is a good question. And as I was thinking about it

this week, like I just sort of thought, I sort of thought about

like, like for us to be unified, we all need to be in the word

together, right? It's like if there's one person,

you know, who never reads the Bible, but like has opinions and

ideas about how things should go, it's like, how can we really

trust that person when they're not being shaped and molded and

pruned by God's word? Like, like we can't really be

confident that like, their will is God's will, right?

Because they're not subjecting themselves to God's word every

day. And so it's like we want to be a

people who all together are pursuing God in his word, you

know, feeding our love for the Lord to call back to like an

earlier in First Corinthians so that we're being shaped and

molded into his image so that we are all unified and heading in

the same direction. And so I guess just again, I

would just again promote D groups, which we often do in

this, in this podcast, but man, that's such a great way if, if

you need accountability, if you need help, if you want to grow

together with brothers and sisters in Christ, that is such

a great ministry where you're it's not complicated, it's not

difficult, it's not hard, it's very simple.

It follows our Bible reading plan and you just hold each

other accountable to read. You talk about what you're

learning, pray together, memorize the scripture together.

Like it's very simple, but it is so effective.

Yeah, yeah, it's and you don't have to have, you don't have to

have been in one already to, to start 1.

And so like if you're interested in it at all, just reach out to

me or Joe. We'll be glad to like get you

connected. Find 3 or 4 people of the same

gender as you. Like if you're a lady, find 3 or

4 ladies. If you're a guy, find 3 or 4 men

or like and and make it to all different age groups.

Like find people that are in all different walks of life.

Even though that made me more uncomfortable at first, I think

you'll find out that it's way more beneficial for you to have

that. And then just like get with us.

We, we have a starter guide that we can hand you and we can walk

with you for the first it it gives you the first four weeks

of meetings. Like it's it we, we can help you

get started. So yeah, very, very good.

D groups are the way to go. Yeah, I even built an app for

you anyway. Which is good.

It's getting better, but yeah, so things we like.

Did you have anything this week? Not that I can think of.

So we said something three weeks ago, maybe now, maybe it was

just two weeks. We talked about RC, Sprole said.

Everybody's a theologian. Was that with you or was that

with Carl and Ryan? I can't.

Remember, I remember that. I think it was with me.

Anyway, JT English and Jim Wilkin wrote a book that's they,

they stole it and they were completely ripped off RC Sprole,

but they give him credit in the book.

But like it's called You are a theologian.

It's very short, but it's very, very good and it basically just

like maps out like anybody that thinks about God in any way.

You are a theologian. It's just thinking and studying

God. So I would recommend that book

to anybody that's interested at all in like basic Christian

theology that's going to spell it out for you, give you like a

basic high level overview. It starts with the Trinity,

which is the hardest part sometimes for some people to

understand and comprehend. But anyway, I'll recommend that.

So good. Everyone's a theologian.

Yeah. I'll recommend both RC Sproles

and theirs just so you can have both.

Yeah, anyway. But they're very, very good.

So I wanna say I was just on a website the other day.

I know where you can get a copy of that for free.

I'll maybe look for it again and see if I can find that.

Maybe we can link that? Somewhere, yeah, for sure.

And then if you have Spotify Premium and you're the primary

user in your house, that's the rule that they have for Spotify

Premium for audiobooks. If you're Spotify, it's

currently available on Spotify Premium for audiobooks for just

included in the fee. Whatever you pay for that

anyway. Nice, that's good.

So nothing else. No, Sir.

OK. Will you open in prayer?

No, you didn't. You prayed before we started.

Will you close us in prayer? Sure.

All right. Thanks, Joe.

Laura, we are so grateful for your word.

We're so grateful that it teaches us of of your

faithfulness all through generations and that it teaches

us who you are. We are so grateful to find out

that that you are not a God who is angry and frustrated and and

unwilling to forgive. You are a just God who is going

to who is going is not going to clear the guilty.

You are going to to give justice.

But at the same time, Lord, you are so gracious and forgiving

and slow to anger, abounding in steadfast love for those who

love you and into the thousandth generation.

Lord, you are so good and your word teaches us about that and

we know that all of your word is fulfilled in Christ and, and we

have the promise that that he has come and ushered in this new

covenant whereby we can have a relationship with you.

We can be made right before you. We can have the hope that one

day we will be in your presence all through our faith in Christ.

Because through faith in Christ, our sins are forgiven, we are

washed clean, we are made new, we are given new life by the

power of your Spirit, Lord. And so we thank you for this

truth and we, we thank you for these realities.

And we pray that that through the power of your spirit,

through you changing our hearts, that we desire to be a people of

your word, that our greatest longing is to be satisfied in

your presence, to be shaped and molded and pruned by your word.

And we pray, Lord, that as we do that, that that you would unify

us as a church, that you would transform us through the

renewing of our minds, and that you would grow us into your body

so that we may fulfill your work, that we may build your

Kingdom as we seek to bring glory and honor to your name.

We ask this in Jesus name, Amen. Amen.

Well, thanks LEMC for listening. We hope to see you next week.

Have a great week.