Sermon
Luther's changing attitude on the Church
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Paul asked if I would give a couple of historical lectures today. He sort of left the topics open to me.
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! What I want to talk on is in the first lecture, I'm going to speak about Martin Luther, but rather than just do a sort of standard, you know, this was Martin Luther and this was the kind of stuff he did, I want to look particularly, I want to trace his biography, particularly relative to how his understanding of the church changes.
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So, hopefully this lecture will tie in a little bit with yesterday. It will give some historical examples, if you like, of the kind of things that I was pointing towards yesterday.
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In the second lecture, I want to give a, it's a lecture I've given a couple of times before, but I want to talk about B.B. Warfield.
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Some biographs, some reflections on B.B. Warfield's life and theological contribution.
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But first then, Martin Luther. I've called the title, I titled this lecture, Seven Marks of a Healthy Church.
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Really as a whack against Mark Deber.
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At least, Luther remembers that prayer is a mark of the church.
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Just as a facetious jab there.
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I think it was Paul Levy who said to me, he said, I wondered if Mark Deber woke up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat,
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realising there were actually ten marks of the church and he had forgotten completely to mention prayer,
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but the books had already gone to the press and it was too late.
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Anyway, seven marks of a healthy church because in Luther's great treatise of 1538-1539,
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on the councils of the church, he gives his most thorough exposition of the nature of the church and church authority.
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One of the peculiarities of, well, not Luther, but of knowledge about Luther,
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is that we tend, on the whole, to focus on Luther in early, mid-career.
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It's the Luther between sort of 1516 and 1525, or maybe 1529, the Marburg Colloquy,
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that has tended to capture the popular imagination about Luther.
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One of the problems with looking at Luther, just through that lens, however,
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is that Luther is a work in progress.
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He dies in 1546, and there's quite a lot that goes on in the 1520s and 1530s
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that causes him not to change his mind on things that he said earlier,
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but certainly to supplement and to add to what he has said earlier.
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And I really want today to trace, broad strokes, his early career, through that mid-career phase
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and up to the late 1530s, in order to show how Luther's own thinking on the church changed.
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A couple of preliminary comments first.
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Just a few comments about the Reformation as a whole.
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I think this probably goes without saying in this company, but I'm going to say it anyway.
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The Reformation was, of course, not a rejection of church tradition.
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No Reformer rejected church tradition.
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The Anabaptists rejected church tradition.
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The Sassinians, of a slightly later date, rejected church tradition.
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The Reformation did not reject church tradition.
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What the Reformation sought to do was to correct or to norm church tradition
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in light of the scripture.
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It would never have crossed Calvin's mind to get rid of all that had gone before
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and build the church from the ground up.
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He assumes that the church has been right on a whole swathe of things
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for the previous 1500 years.
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His interest is in norming that tradition by the standards of scripture.
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Reminds, of course, that the Reformation is not a clean break with the past.
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Martin Luther no more comes out of nowhere than anybody else does.
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Certainly there is a dramatic break, institutional break, at the time of the Reformation.
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But intellectually, we can see that Luther's roots, his intellectual roots,
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lie in the late medieval period.
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And much of the scholarly work of the last 60, 70 years of the Reformation
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has been involved in tracing out the points of dependence and continuity
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between Luther and the Catholic teachers he had at the University of Erfurt and beyond.
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And that brings me to a point that is sometimes missed about Martin Luther,
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but is crucial, I think, to understanding him on a number of levels.
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And that is, Luther comes onto the scene in the early 16th century at a time
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and there is great eschatological expectation among numerous churchmen
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that the world is coming to an end.
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Late Middle Ages is a difficult time.
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We're at plague of the 14th century that wipes out, is it, a third of Europe's population.
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Casts a long, dark shadow over Europe.
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And by the time we get to the end of the 15th, beginning of the 16th century,
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we have various of end-time figures popping up.
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Savonarola in Florence would be an obvious example.
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Martin Luther is another.
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Martin Luther thinks he's living at the end of time.
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1521, after the Diet of Worms, popular tracts start to identify Martin Luther
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with figures in the Book of Revelation, both good figures and bad figures.
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And Luther, while he never takes the identifications himself,
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he never distances himself.
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One of the good ones, anyway.
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That there is a sense in Luther that things are coming to an end.
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And that's very important for understanding the development of his theology.
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As I'm sorry, it's very important for understanding his approach to the Jews as well.
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1523 is quite a remarkable treatise that Jesus Christ was born a Jew.
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Argues that Christians should really treat Jews very well
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in order to open the door for evangelism.
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1543, of course, just three years before his death,
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he writes his famous treatise on the Jews and their lives.
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A few years ago, I did a bit of research on Holocaust denial
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for a small book on historical method I was writing.
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And it amazed me how many Holocaust denial sites
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have links to Martin Luther's 1543 treatise on the Jews.
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Luther turns from being a philo-semite, we might say,
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to being an anti-semite, a slightly anachronistic terminology there.
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Why does he do that?
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Because in 1523, he thinks the world is coming to an end.
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The Reformation will carry on before it.
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The Jews will be converted and Christ will return.
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By 1543, it's patently obvious that isn't going to happen.
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And he's looking around for people to blame.
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And he blames the Turks.
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He blames the Anabaptists.
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He blames the Papists.
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And he blames the Jews.
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So Luther thinks he's living at the end of time.
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And that's important because that helps us to understand
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what looks in retrospect like rather naive confidence
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that Luther has in the early days of the Reformation.
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How long are we going for this morning, Paul?
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If you go to quarter to 11.
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Okay.
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Because I could talk for hours on Luther,
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so I really do need to remember myself.
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Luther's eschatological expectation will profoundly shape
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the early years of the Reformation.
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It gives him this tremendous confidence.
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When he returns to Wittenberg in 1520 and preaches a famous sermon,
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and riots broken out in Wittenberg in his absence,
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he returns and he preaches a famous sermon
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that brings the riot into an end.
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And he has this great statement in it where he says,
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you know, people ask me,
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why has the Reformation succeeded?
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And I say, I don't know.
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I've sat around in the pub with my friend,
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Philip and Amsdorf,
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drinking beer,
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and the Word of God was out there doing it all.
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Supremely confident statement
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about the power of the Word of God
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to carry all before him.
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As we shall see as we work through his biography.
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After 1525,
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things really start to change for Luther.
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And he begins to realise
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that the Word of God won't do it all,
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but actually you need to think more thoroughly
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at a grassroots level about Christian holiness,
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and at an institutional level,
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about structures,
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and what the Church looks like.
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Just as an aside,
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it interests me that the,
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I don't know if you followed some of the debates
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about holiness that are going on
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in the United States,
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and Luther's quoted a lot,
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and it is always the Luther before 1525.
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It is always the Luther before 1525.
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After 1525,
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you have a different Luther,
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because he realises there's more to it
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than just preaching the Gospel.
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Luther then,
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protest of 1517,
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is when he first hits the popular imagination.
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It's often thought of
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as the start of the Reformation.
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A myriad Victorian paintings
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and book illustrations
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have the scowling,
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angry,
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determined-looking Luther
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driving a nail
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into the castle door in Wittenberg,
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nailing up his 95 Theses,
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symbolically driving a stake
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through the heart of the Catholic Church,
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or a nail into the coffin
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of the Catholic Church.
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Of course,
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it wasn't that radical.
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What he was doing
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was simply advertising debate.
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And if you read the 95 Theses,
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by and large,
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you will probably find them
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relatively incomprehensible.
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They are deeply rooted
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in late medieval debates
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about penance
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and indulgences and merit.
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There is very little there
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that one would describe
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as distinctively Protestant
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other than it appears
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to be a protest
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of some kind.
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For some reason,
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frankly,
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this remains a mystery to me.
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This tract is
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translated and printed
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and becomes a bestseller.
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It seems that the time
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is just right
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for people to have
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some kind of protest
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about the Church.
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It doesn't matter
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that people don't understand it.
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It captures the popular imagination.
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It appears to be saying
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rude things about the Pope.
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It seizes the popular imagination
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in electoral Saxony
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and beyond.
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It's actually not that radical,
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as I said.
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He's, in some ways,
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if you go and pin up a notice
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on the Church Notice Board here,
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saying that you're going to be
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debating something
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on a certain day.
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What Luther's doing
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is not a whole lot
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more radical than that.
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And I think he has
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every reason
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to believe
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that the Pope
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will be on his side
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when he says things
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if indulgences do
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what you say,
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then surely the Pope
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would let everybody
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out of purgatory.
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I think what Luther's saying
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is,
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if the Pope knew
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what Texel was saying
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in this indulgence,
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he'd close him down.
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Texel can't possibly be right
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because the Pope
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wouldn't let this happen.
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So Luther's protest
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for 1517
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is not such a radical protest.
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It's really a demand
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for clarification
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on the practice
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of the sale of indulgences
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that is taking place
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across the Holy Roman Empire.
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at that particular point
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in time.
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And of course,
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Texel is not allowed
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to go into electoral saxony
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to sell indulgences
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because Frederick the Wise,
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Luther's princely protector,
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has his own
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set of relics.
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An enviable collection
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of relics.
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Luther and Frederick the Wise
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never meet, actually.
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If you've seen the movie,
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the movie's pretty good.
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It kaleidoscopes,
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it compresses a bit
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of the history.
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But there is that
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Hollywood moment
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at the end.
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If you've seen the movie
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when Luther's
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and Frederick the Wise
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meet in the relic room
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in the castle
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in Wittenberg,
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and Frederick the Wise
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is sort of saying,
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you know,
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I've had this wonderful
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collection and you've
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rendered it worthless.
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Never happened.
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Frederick the Wise
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never meets Luther.
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They must have passed
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in the streets at times.
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Frederick the Wise,
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a very clever politician,
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he always maintained
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distance,
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so that if ever
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it went wrong,
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Frederick the Wise
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would be able to say,
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nothing to do with me,
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and walk away
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from the situation.
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The relationship
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between them
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was mediated by
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a man called
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Spalatin.
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If you go into
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the chapel of the
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castle church
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in Wittenberg,
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it's interesting,
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Zwingli is up in the
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stained glass windows
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as well,
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I'm not sure that
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Luther would have
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approved of that,
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but Spalatin is there,
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and who was Spalatin?
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Spalatin was the man
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who made it all possible
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by connecting Luther
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and Frederick the Wise,
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but allowing for
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political distance
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between them.
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Luther's protest,
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though,
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brings him to
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attention,
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certainly within
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electoral and
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ducal Saxony.
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More radical,
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of course,
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is what takes place
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in April 1518.
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Luther goes to
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a regular chapter
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meeting
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of the Saxon
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chapter of the
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Augustinian order
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to which he belongs.
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He goes to the
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city of Heidelberg
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and presides there
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over a disputation
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where he has
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prepared a series
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of theses that
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are actually debated
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by a man called
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Leonard Bayer.
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And it's the
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Heidelberg disputation
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of 1518 that I
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think really marks
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in some ways the
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proper beginning of
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the theological
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reformation.
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It either starts in
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September 1517
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when Luther has a
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disputation on
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scholastic theology
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or April 1518
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when Luther engages
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at Heidelberg
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and articulates his
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notion of the
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theologian,
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of the cross
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and the theologian
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of glory,
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arguing that there
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are two ways of
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doing theology.
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We could boil it
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down into very
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simple terms and
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say either theology
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is done by making
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God in the image
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of man or it's
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done by understanding
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that man is in the
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image of God.
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Either we take our
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cue from the world
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around and we
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assume that what we
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do is we simply
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expand that and
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that human notion
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of power,
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extend it to the
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nth degree and
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that's something
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akin or analogous
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and divine power
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or we look at
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the cross and
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see how God has
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revealed his power
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to be,
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power through
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weakness.
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It's real 1st
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Corinthians kind
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of stuff.
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We also see at
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Heidelberg an
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increasing emphasis
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upon humility
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as the key.
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Late medieval
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theologians of the
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tradition to which
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Luther belonged
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were always looking
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at what is that
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thing that one has
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to do in order to
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access the grace of
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God.
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And what is the
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requirement if you
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like triggering
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God's arrangement
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with human beings
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that will bring you
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into that first
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initial state of
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grace.
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And Luther really by
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March of 1518 has
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come to identify,
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April of 1518 has
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come to identify
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that with humility.
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Absolute despair of
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oneself before God.
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Will very quickly of
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course morph into
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his later understanding
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of faith.
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Scholars debate about
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when Luther makes
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his breakthrough on
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justification by faith.
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Some date it as
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early as 1515.
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Some push it to
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1521, 1522.
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I think we're all
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slightly misled by
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comments Luther
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makes in 1545 in
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the so-called
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autobiographical
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fragment when he
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talks about this
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moment where
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everything snapped
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into focus relative
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to Romans 1.17.
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probably it never
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happened that way.
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And certainly I
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think we can trace
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a more steady
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development in
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Luther's thinking
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that brings him
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to his mature
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understanding of
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justification by
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faith.
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One of the
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important things
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though about
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Luther coming to
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understand humility
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as that which
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if you like
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triggers the grace
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of God, that's
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which brings one
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into a state of
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grace, is the
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impact this has on
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his understanding
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of the sacraments.
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Catholic Church,
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even today this is
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the case, the
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Catholic Church's
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authority is primarily
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a sacramental
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authority.
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It's rooted in the
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administration of
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the sacraments.
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Late medieval
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theologians really
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weakened that
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dramatically by making
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the first condition
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for salvation, if you
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like, a non-sacramental
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one.
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How does humility
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fit with the
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sacraments?
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Well it doesn't
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really.
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despairing of
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oneself before
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God.
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That doesn't
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really fit with
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the sacraments.
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Of course as
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Luther's theology
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matures and he
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starts to talk in
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terms of justification
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by grace through
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faith.
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Sacraments again,
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their position,
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their role is
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fundamentally
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restructured.
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What is taking
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place in Heidelberg,
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though Luther
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himself I think
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doesn't fully
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appreciate this at
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the time, he
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sees actually
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knocking away the
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foundations of
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authority in the
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medieval church.
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What gets Luther
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into trouble in
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the Reformation is
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not justification by
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faith directly, if
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you like, it's the
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implications that his
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emerging understanding
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of salvation has for
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late medieval
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Catholicism.
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And if you read a
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book that was
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published last year by
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the Roman Catholic
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historian Brad
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Gregory called The
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Unintended
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Reformation, it's an
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amazing book, it's
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this sort of brilliant
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mix of amazing
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learning and
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scholarship and
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I think an
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utterly wrong
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headed thesis.
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But one of the
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things that comes
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through in that
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book is how much
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conservative Catholics
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today hate late
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medieval Catholicism
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because they see a
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clear connection
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between late medieval
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Catholicism and
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Luther.
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And what is that
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connection?
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Late medieval
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Catholicism is
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eroding the
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importance of the
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sacraments for
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salvation.
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And they see
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Luther as, if you
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like, the end
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term of that
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development.
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So Luther's
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articulating a
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theology of
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Heidelberg then
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that is implicitly
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corroding, eroding,
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chipping away at the
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authority of the
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church.
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This becomes explicit
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in 1519.
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The early years of the
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Reformation, as is
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always the way,
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education institutions,
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individual scholars,
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are all jockeying
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for position, are
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all trying to put
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one over on each
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other.
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And a figure,
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John Eck, challenges
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Luther and Luther's
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colleague, a man
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called Andreas
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Bodenstein von
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Karlstadt, who is
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arguably equal, if
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not senior to
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Luther at this point
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at Wittenberg,
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challenges them to
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debate at the
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University of
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Leipzig.
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It's the Leipzig
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disputation.
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And I think the
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Leipzig disputation
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in 1519 is the
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moment at which the
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real issue becomes
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obvious, both to the
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Lutherans and to the
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Catholic Church.
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At Leipzig,
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Huss is, not
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Huss, Eck is a
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very, very clever
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debater and very
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quickly zeros in on
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the issue of
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authority.
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And Eck is actually
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a better debater than
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Luther and tricks
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him into making a
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number of mistakes.
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most significantly,
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well, Luther,
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Luther preaches
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before the debate
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takes place.
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And he preaches on
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the power of the
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keys, Matthew 16.
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And Eck goes to
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hear him.
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And as Eck leaves
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the church, in fact,
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it may have been a
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lecture, it may have
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been a lecture
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theatre, they may
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have had to move it
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because so many
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showed up.
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As Eck leaves the
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service that day,
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he says in a loud
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voice to those
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gathered around him,
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that sermon was
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completely bohemian.
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What Eck is doing is
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setting up his
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strategy for the
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subsequent debates.
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Bohemian to us,
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we think bohemian,
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we think of the rock
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group Queen, I guess,
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Bohemian Rhapsody.
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We think of people
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who, you know, we
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think of nightlife in
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London, sort of weird,
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way out, trendy, cool
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kind of people.
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Yeah, a bit like my
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brother down in the
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front row here.
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In 1519, bohemian in
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this context only means
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one thing.
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It means John Huss.
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A hundred years
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previously, John
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Huss, a Czech
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reformer, had, in
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fact, much of Huss's
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story is actually
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important to the
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Luther story.
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Huss travelled to the
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Council of Constance,
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which had been called
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to try to sort out the
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crisis in the papacy,
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got three popes, got
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to try to establish
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which one the
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legitimate one is.
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Huss travelled under
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safe conduct from
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Prague to the
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Council of Constance.
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His safe conduct is
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removed and Huss is
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tried for heresy and
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burned at the stake.
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Key thing is, he's
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been tried for heresy,
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found guilty and
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burned at the stake.
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If you can tie Luther
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in with Huss, then it's
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game over.
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He's a heretic and he
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should pay the ultimate
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price.
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So Eck is setting up his
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strategy for the
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following day.
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And in the debate with
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Luther, he very quickly
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starts to push Luther to
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say, you know, you're
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agreeing with Huss, you're
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agreeing with Huss, you're
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agreeing with Huss.
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And at some point, Luther
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almost in exasperation
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says, you know, many of
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the articles that were
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condemned at the Council
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of Constance are actually
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thoroughly orthodox and
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consistent with the
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position of Augustine.
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Bad move.
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Because what you're
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essentially saying there
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is, I'm identifying
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myself with a heretic.
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More than that, of course,
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you know, you have, Eck is
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able to say, so, so, Luther,
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you think the papacy is
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erring?
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You think councils erring?
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What's left, man?
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What kind of authority is
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left?
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You've taken away the
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papacy, you've taken away
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conciliarism, what's left?
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What does the nature of
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authority look like to you?
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So the Leipzig
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disputation brings clear to
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the fore the implications,
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the implicit things that
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have been going on all
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the time.
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From the moment Luther
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nails his 95 Theses to the
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Castle in Wittburg, he
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doesn't know it, but he's
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actually challenging the
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church's authority.
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That becomes more explicit
-
at Heidelberg, and it
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becomes absolutely explicit
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in the Leipzig
-
disputation.
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We then come to the great
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year of 1520 for Martin
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Luther.
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1520 is the year in which
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I think in some ways Luther
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is never more optimistic
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than he is in 1520.
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He's survived thus far.
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That in itself is quite an
-
achievement.
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It's becoming clear to him
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that he thought the Pope
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would answer to his rallying
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cry and reform the church.
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It's becoming clear that
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that's not going to happen.
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And I think it's also
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becoming clear to him that
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his vision of reform is
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somewhat different from
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some of the other visions
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of reform out there.
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There are a lot of people
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in the beginning of the
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16th century who want to
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reform the church.
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Many of them think the
-
problem is a bureaucratic
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one.
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Clean up the bureaucracy,
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clean up the moral sleaze in
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the church and everything
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will be okay.
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Luther's reformation is
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heading in a very different
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direction.
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That the fundamental
-
reformation has to be a
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theological or a doctrinal
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one.
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And 1520 is the year of
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the three great treaties.
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If you've never read
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Luther then 1520 is a good
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place to start.
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It's much more accessible
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in many ways than 1517.
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Much more accessible even
-
than the Heidelberg
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disputation.
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Luther writes three great
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treaties among numerous
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other things in this year.
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The freedom of the Christian
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man, the Babylonian
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captivity of the church,
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and the appeal to the
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German nobility.
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Freedom of the Christian
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man is essentially his
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reconstruction of Christian
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ethics in the light of his
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developing new understanding
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of justification by grace
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through faith.
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Good works are necessary,
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but they flow as a response
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to God's action in Christ.
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Knowing that God has freed us
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through Christ from the need
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to work for our own
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justification, we can work
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for our neighbour freely.
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The freedom of the Christian
-
man, if you like, is freedom
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from the curse of the law,
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and freedom to be a slave to
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our neighbour, to give of
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ourselves to our neighbour.
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Babylonian captivity of the
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church is his reconstruction
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of the sacramental system
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of the Catholic church.
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The Catholic church has
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seven sacraments, Luther
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reduces them.
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Well, the treatise is
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somewhat ambiguous.
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The treatise itself says
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that penance is a sacrament,
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and in the conclusion he
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says, you know, I'm not
-
sure that penance is a
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sacrament after all.
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So, he reduces it either
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to three or to two
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sacraments, depending
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which part of the treatise
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you prioritise.
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But Luther gets rid of
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marriage, holy orders,
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final unction, and
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confirmation as sacraments,
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retains the Mass,
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retains baptism,
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and possibly retains
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penance.
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Reconstructs the meaning
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of baptism and the Mass,
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though.
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Baptism ceases to be a
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washing or a healing,
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and comes to be death
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and resurrection.
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It's connected with
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Luther's new understanding
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of sin.
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Sin isn't a wound,
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sin isn't a weakness,
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sin is the status of
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death.
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If you're dead, you don't
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need to be healed.
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You don't need to be
-
cleaned, you need to be
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resurrected.
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You need to bring your
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understanding of baptism
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into line with your
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understanding of sin.
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And often, as
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evangelicals, we can
-
tend to forget that
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Luther's pathway to
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justification by faith
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is intimately connected
-
to his reflections on
-
baptism.
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It's actually quite a
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sacramental pathway
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when you trace it out.
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He changes his
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understanding of the
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Lord's Supper from being,
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well, interestingly enough,
-
his criticism of
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transubstantiation is not
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that the body and blood
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of Christ are present.
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His criticism of
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transubstantiation is that
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the bread and wine are
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absent.
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Luther wants both.
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You have the bread and
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wine, and you have the
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body and blood of Christ.
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Later, he will talk about
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the body and blood of
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Christ in, with, and under
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the elements of bread and
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wine.
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And penance is really,
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penance is effectively,
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it's sort of, almost,
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you might say, kind of
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cancelling now.
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It's sort of speaking the
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gospel, the law and the
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gospel to each other,
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almost on a one-to-one
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basis.
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You know, you come across
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a friend sinning, it's
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your responsibility to
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rebuke him for his sin,
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and then he repents to
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speak to him words of
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comfort through the
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gospel.
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So the sacramental system
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is reconfigured.
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And finally, the appeal
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to the German nobility.
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It's becoming obvious
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the church authorities
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aren't going to reform
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themselves.
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So to whom does one
-
look for a reformation
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at this point?
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To the princes.
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It's a brilliant
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political move.
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You know, no prince is
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going to object to
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having more power,
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and potentially more
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money.
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So it's a, you know,
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it's a pretty easy
-
sale to the princes.
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It's one of the
-
reasons why it's so
-
difficult for Mary,
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the first of England,
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to get Catholicism
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back to England.
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You know, when Edward
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VI, the young boy
-
king, died, his
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older sister, Mary I,
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was a very reactionary
-
Catholic, succeeded
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to the throne.
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Amidst cheers, you know,
-
the English people are
-
just so glad that
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Catholicism has come
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back, because the
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Protestants, they
-
seem, are so corrupt.
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Mary does two brilliant
-
things for the
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Protestants.
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One, she burns them.
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That doesn't sound too
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brilliant, but actually,
-
what it does is it
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creates public sympathy
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for Protestantism that
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was never there before.
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It allows Protestantism
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to rehabilitate itself
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in the public eyes.
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And secondly, the other
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thing she can't do is
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that I think she
-
underestimates how much
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money the Catholic
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nobility have made out
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of the English
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Reformation.
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When Henry VIII
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appropriates church land
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and sells it, who's
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making money?
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Who's getting land
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cheap?
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The nobility.
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The nobility, are they
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Protestant or Catholic?
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They're predominantly
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Catholic.
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And so, the Catholic
-
nobility of England, I
-
think, are heavily
-
invested in the
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Protestantisation of
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England.
-
I mean, there's nothing
-
like money to really
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appeal where somebody,
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you know, theological
-
conviction, making money,
-
it's always a bit of a,
-
an even balance, isn't
-
it?
-
Appeal to the German
-
nobility, then.
-
The appeal to the
-
German nobility
-
essentially says to the
-
nobles, take back what
-
is rightfully yours.
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The church has expanded
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its sphere of power into
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what we would now call
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the secular realm.
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And it is time for you
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to take back that power.
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And so, if you like,
-
there could be a sort of
-
negative reform of the
-
church by stripping it
-
of its worldly and
-
earthly pretensions.
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Underlying all of these
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three books is Luther's
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great confidence that
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just preaching the word
-
of God will bring about
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the Reformation in
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Germany.
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We just, we're at the
-
end of time, we preach
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the word, the word goes
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out, it does not return
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empty, all will fall
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before it.
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Think of that line in
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A Mighty Fortress,
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one little word shall
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fell him.
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Great confidence in the
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preaching of the word
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rooted against the
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background of this
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eschatological hope,
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this expectation which
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is, you know, not
-
unprecedented in the
-
late medieval period and
-
another one of those
-
things that makes
-
Luther in some ways a
-
man of the middle ages
-
rather than a man of
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the early modern age.
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It never gets better than
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1520.
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The end of 1520, the
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papal bull of excommunication,
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ex-Sergé Domine, arrives
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in Wittenberg.
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Sixty days after its
-
arrival, the faculty and
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the high hedions of
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Wittenberg process into the
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Terram Square and they have
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a mass bonfire.
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By and large, the
-
Lutherans didn't burn books
-
to suppress them.
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It's a bad move.
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Burning books to suppress
-
them just makes them more
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interesting.
-
It would be like banning,
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ban the Rolling Stones
-
from the radio in the
-
60s and you guarantee
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they get to number one.
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But there is a book
-
burning this day and the
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books that are burned are,
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it's the papal bull is
-
burned.
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And that's the one in
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some ways that often
-
captures our imagination.
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Luther's received the
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papal bull and he throws
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it in the fire.
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How cool is that?
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But just as significant is
-
the burning of the books
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of canon law.
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In some ways the burning
-
of the books of canon law
-
is more powerful as a
-
gesture because it's not
-
only saying we defy your
-
authority on the issue
-
of Luther.
-
Burning of the books of
-
canon law says we defy
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your authority.
-
End of story.
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Everything that represents
-
who and what you are,
-
we're throwing on the
-
bonfire today and getting
-
rid of it.
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1520 then is in some
-
ways Luther's most
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glorious year.
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It never gets better than
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1520.
-
Luther is never more
-
optimistic I think than he
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is in 1520.
-
We then come to a series
-
of crises that will change
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Luther's thinking forever.
-
First crisis is the crisis
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of late 1521-1522.
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Bit of a back story.
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Luther has been summoned to
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the Diet of Worms.
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It's a bit of a legal
-
problem because once you're
-
excommunicated you have no
-
legal status and there is
-
some debate.
-
It reminds me of a sort of
-
classic OPC kind of debate
-
takes place in Rome.
-
How do you summons Luther to
-
an imperial diet when he's
-
already been excommunicated?
-
Is there any procedural way
-
we can do this?
-
And finally they decide
-
well probably there isn't
-
but we're going to do it
-
anyway.
-
So they summons Luther to
-
meet before the emperor
-
at the Diet of Worms.
-
And it's a magnificent
-
moment.
-
Here you have this man
-
who three years earlier
-
four years earlier he was
-
just an unknown professional
-
academic and pastor in
-
Wittenberg.
-
Now he's the most famous
-
man in Europe.
-
And he's taken place and he
-
has to stand before the
-
emperor and answer for his
-
opinions.
-
You can only imagine how
-
terrified he must have been.
-
Famously of course on the
-
first day when Luther is
-
asked are these your books
-
and do you recount them?
-
Luther says I need time to
-
think about my answer.
-
You know as if he wasn't
-
expecting that question.
-
Scholars have always
-
debated why does he delay?
-
Is it part of some sneaky
-
strategy to wrong foot the
-
opposition?
-
Or is it just that he was
-
scared?
-
Possible that he was just
-
scared and at that moment
-
his nerves started to go and
-
he needed time to gather his
-
thoughts.
-
Worms, the Diet of Worms
-
really ends fairly inconclusively.
-
And as Luther is riding away
-
from Worms, he's kidnapped.
-
Frederick the Wise sends out a
-
sort of a SWAT team if you
-
like to seize Luther on his
-
way back to Wittenberg and
-
whisk him up to the Wartburg
-
castle which stands high over
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the town of Eisenach.
-
If you ever do a Reformation
-
tour, Eisenach is one of those
-
great two for one towns.
-
You've got the castle on the
-
hill and then down in the town,
-
who was born in Eisenach?
-
Which other famous person was
-
born in Eisenach?
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Johann Sebastian Bach.
-
You've got the Bach birth
-
house and the great museum
-
there.
-
So it's a wonderful place to
-
go on a sort of tourist visit.
-
You get two for one.
-
Luther is closeted away in this
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castle up on the hill.
-
He lives under the pseudonym of
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Sir George.
-
He does do some little expeditions
-
out into the hinterland at
-
points.
-
There's a famous story of a
-
group of students arriving in a
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pub late one night and they
-
notice in the corner there's a
-
knight sitting there with a big
-
sword and bushy beard and this
-
knight is reading the Psalms in
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Hebrew.
-
And that's not a normal scene in
-
a medieval German tavern.
-
So the students go there on their
-
way to Wittenberg to start their
-
theological studies and they go
-
over and sit with this knight and
-
this knight expands the Psalms in
-
Hebrew to them showing them how
-
Christ is in the Psalms.
-
And at the end of the evening when
-
they get up together the knight's
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going they find that the knight has
-
paid their bill.
-
I mean that's the nicest part of
-
the story in some ways.
-
And then some months later at
-
Wittenberg they're waiting their
-
first class with Martin Luther who
-
walks through the door but the man
-
they recognize as this knight they
-
met in this tavern.
-
So Luther does some quiet incognito
-
visits to Saxony.
-
Saxony while he is sequestered at the
-
castle.
-
But this is where the Wittenberg
-
Reformation takes a turn for the
-
worst.
-
The leadership of Wittenberg falls to
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Karstadt who we've met.
-
Philip Melanchthon the brilliant young
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Greek scholar who becomes professor of
-
Greek at Wittenberg age 21 if you can
-
imagine that.
-
And a man called Conrad Zwilling.
-
And not Melanchthon but Karstadt and
-
Zwilling really want to push the
-
Reformation in a radical direction and
-
so they stir up iconoclastic riots.
-
Luther returns to Wittenberg in December
-
1521 just to see what's going on and
-
it's bad.
-
There's rioting.
-
And then finally in 1522 Frederick the
-
Wise brings Luther back and it's this
-
point he preaches that sermon where he
-
talks about sitting in the pub and
-
drinking beer.
-
1522 is actually the point I think in
-
Luther's career where he's most
-
vulnerable.
-
We tend to think of diet of worms.
-
Actually I think it's the riots of
-
1522.
-
Because if Luther can't bring the people
-
back under control Frederick the Wise
-
will certainly pull his support from it.
-
Frederick the Wise will have to engage in
-
what we call military intervention and
-
Luther will be finished.
-
And Luther by sheer force of
-
personality is able to bring the riots
-
under control.
-
But what this does is it brings to
-
Luther's attention that preaching the
-
word may not be enough.
-
That bad stuff is starting to happen in
-
the Reformation.
-
It becomes intensified in 1525.
-
1525 is a fascinating year in Luther's
-
life.
-
He engages in his brutal polemic with
-
Erasmus over the perspicuity of
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scripture and the bondage of the will.
-
He marries Catherine von Bora.
-
If you go to Wittenberg you go to the
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he was given by Frederick the Wise he
-
was given the
-
the old monastery as a gift as a
-
wedding gift and because being a
-
reformer doesn't bring in much money
-
Luther and his wife would have
-
students to lodge at the house and
-
at the doorway there's these two
-
little chairs
-
cut in stone and the door of the
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Augustinian the former Augustinian
-
monastery.
-
And that was a birthday present that
-
Katie bought for Luther because she
-
didn't think they spent enough time
-
talking to each other.
-
So she bought this door frame this
-
stone door frame with these two
-
chairs so that on sunny days they
-
could spend time sitting on either
-
side of the door and talking to each
-
other.
-
And if you go inside upstairs there's a
-
room where the same thing occurs in a
-
window as well.
-
And so if it was raining outside they
-
could go up and they could actually
-
spend some time sitting and talking
-
together.
-
So the marriage is very sweet.
-
It's a PR disaster at the time
-
though because Luther gets married at
-
the height of what historians call
-
the Peasants' Rebellion or the
-
Peasants' War.
-
Really from the beginning of the
-
16th century a series of peasant
-
rebellions, peasant unrest have been
-
sort of popping up over the Holy
-
Roman Empire.
-
And they come to a sort of climax in
-
1525, a major explosion of unrest.
-
And the imperial armies made up of
-
Protestants and Catholics march against
-
the peasants to put them down.
-
Many of these peasants are using the
-
rhetoric of Luther to justify their
-
cause.
-
Luther's freedom rhetoric strikes a
-
deep chord with the peasants.
-
And they're claiming to be with
-
Luther.
-
Luther first of all is sympathetic to
-
some of their claims, some of their
-
calls, but ultimately has to radically
-
distance himself from them because it's
-
like 1522 all over again.
-
If the Reformation becomes identified
-
with revolution, social revolution, the
-
nobility, do we want social stability or
-
do we want Protestantism?
-
We've got to go for social stability.
-
The nobles will cut Luther adrift.
-
So Luther comes out swinging against the
-
peasants and again it sets in his mind the
-
idea that maybe the preaching of the word is
-
not going to be enough after all.
-
1529, just very briefly of course, he falls
-
out with Holger Zwingli over the Lord's
-
Supper.
-
That's often very difficult for us to think
-
why is Luther prepared to break over the
-
Lord's Supper?
-
Why is he prepared to break Protestantism
-
over the Lord's Supper?
-
Why does he say to Zwingli we're of a
-
different spirit on this issue?
-
Persists strongly in Lutheranism.
-
At the end of the 16th century, Theodore
-
Beza, Calvin's successor at Geneva, is
-
involved in an ecumenical dialogue with the
-
Lutherans and at the end he offers the
-
Lutheran theologian the hand of Christian
-
fellowship.
-
And the Lutheran theologian says, I won't
-
shake your hand out of Christian fellowship,
-
but I will shake it out of civic fellowship.
-
In other words, you're not a Christian.
-
Runs very deep.
-
Disillusioning to Luther that Protestantism
-
has split, even though really he is, I
-
think he has to take the lion's share of
-
the blame for that.
-
And then in 1530, Philip Melanchthon,
-
Luther's right-hand man, puts together the
-
Augsburg Confession.
-
If you have the Book of Concord, the
-
Lutheran confessional documents, the
-
Augsburg Confession is sort of the
-
centerpiece of Lutheran confessional
-
identity.
-
It's written by Philip Melanchthon in 1530
-
in an attempt to provide a Protestant
-
confessional basis for the Holy Roman
-
Empire.
-
And the emperor refuses to subscribe it.
-
And only a handful of the princes
-
subscribe the confession.
-
And it's at that point that Luther, I
-
think, realizes it's done.
-
We're never going to see a united
-
Protestant Europe under the banner of
-
the Reformation.
-
Interestingly enough, at that point,
-
Luther actually shifts his view of
-
rebellion.
-
Everybody knows that Luther teaches, you
-
know, that you should always submit to
-
the civil authorities.
-
Well, actually, the later Luther is
-
slightly different.
-
After 1530, Luther thinks that the
-
electors, the princes in the empire,
-
can resist the emperor.
-
Because, of course, it's the electors who
-
elect the emperor, and therefore power
-
kind of flows from them to the emperor
-
before the emperor has it, and therefore
-
they're able to resist him.
-
It's very convenient for Luther, of course,
-
because it means that the elector of
-
Saxony can maintain Lutheranism in
-
opposition to imperial policy.
-
So, there's that that kicks in.
-
And then also, in the late 1520s,
-
Melanchthon and Luther head up a
-
visitation of, you know, what's going on
-
in Saxony relative to Protestant churches.
-
Let's find out what life's like on the
-
ground.
-
And they are horrified by what they
-
discover.
-
Not only have we got these political
-
crises that are shattering Luther's
-
confidence in the mere, simple
-
preaching of the gospel to effect
-
big political change,
-
at grassroots level, they find that
-
preaching of the gospel, people are
-
using it as an excuse to do whatever
-
they want.
-
And Luther, of course, at that point,
-
puts together some catechisms.
-
We've got to start getting people
-
taught properly.
-
We've got to realize that it isn't
-
just enough to preach the gospel.
-
The law has to be preached
-
appropriately as well.
-
And that's why I say, you know, in
-
the debates about Luther and holiness
-
and justification, you've got to take
-
the later Luther into account as well.
-
The Reformation is a work in progress.
-
These men are opening up new
-
theological territory, which will
-
generate its own new problems and
-
require a response.
-
An example, perhaps closer to home for
-
us is the Westminster Assembly's
-
teaching on assurance of faith.
-
Some people get worried that Calvin
-
seems to identify faith and
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assurance by the time you get to
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Westminster, so they're making a
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distinction that one can have true
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faith but not be assured for
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periods of time.
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People say, this is disturbing.
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Maybe it's a retrogression to late
-
medieval Catholicism.
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I think, no.
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It's the result of a hundred years of
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pastoral reflection like that
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Protestant preaching does in the pew.
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These men are aware that it's not quite
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as simple as the first generation of
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reformers thought it was.
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And that's not a criticism of the
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first generation of reformers.
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They're doing something new and they
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don't know what the long-term impact
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of it's going to be.
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They're not going to see their imbalances
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until they've worked out someone.
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So by the time we get to the 1530s,
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Luther is really, I think, beginning to
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think, it's not enough just to preach
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the gospel.
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It's not enough.
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We need to give ethical guidelines for
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behaviour.
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We need to think about structure in the
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church.
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And that leads me, and this will be a
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fairly brief summary now, to the
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Treatise of 1538-1539 on the councils
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of the church.
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Luther, like all reformers, has to
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wrestle with what is the identity of
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the church.
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Once you've got rid of what we call
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sacramental apostolic succession,
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how do you identify the true church?
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Where do you look around and find the
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true church?
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And Luther comes up with seven marks.
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And there's just one or two of them
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that I want to sort of zero in on.
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The most fundamental mark for Luther,
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as it was for all reformers, was the
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word.
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The apostolicity of the church was
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established by the conformity of the
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teaching of the church with apostolic
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teaching.
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So when the reformers confessed their
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belief in one holy catholic and
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apostolic church, they were not thinking
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of a succession of laying on of hands
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that somehow gets traced back to Peter
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in the first century.
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They were thinking of those who taught
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as those before them had taught, going
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all the way back to the apostles.
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And the word remains the most fundamental
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mark of the church for Protestantism.
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There can be no sacramental practice
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without a preaching of the word.
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It's why, it doesn't work here, it
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doesn't work in my church, but if you're
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in a church that was really designed,
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properly, if I could put it that way,
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you have the pulpit and then you have
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the table underneath it.
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Making a clear point, a symbolic point,
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if you like, that the pulpit, the word,
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stands above the sacraments.
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Sacraments are important, they're there
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at the front, but they're clearly
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subordinated to the word.
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Such that one cannot practice the
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sacraments without first preaching
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the word.
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The sacramental significance is grasped
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by faith and that requires the preaching
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of the word.
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Just as an aside, I read a great book
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recently called When Church Became
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Theatre.
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Not really into architecture, but this
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book is a study of American church
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architecture in the 19th century.
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And how the Second Great Awakening
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really led people to start designing
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churches that were like theatres.
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And it opened my eyes, so yes, churches
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today, they design like sort of conference
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halls and rock concert arenas.
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And that's not incidental.
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And it says something about how one
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visualises the church.
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In the Reformation, St. Giles Cathedral,
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Edinburgh, I suspect the word is not as
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central at St. Giles these days as it
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should be.
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Some of you will have more direct
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experience of that, I'm sure.
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But one of the great things is you go in
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there and all roads lead to the pulpit.
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The pulpit's in the centre, at least
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geographically, if not metaphysically,
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anymore.
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The word is central.
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Baptism too, the initiation rite,
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that has to be there as a mark of the
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church.
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The Lord's Supper for Luther.
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The office of the keys.
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It's a church discipline.
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Luther says that's one of the seven
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non-negotiables of the church.
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The office of the keys is there.
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And then he comes to something that
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really one would not find in the early
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Luther.
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And I think it shows how his thinking
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has shifted.
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The calling and ordination of ministers.
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It's interesting in 1520 when Luther
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sort of asks, you know, why do we,
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why do we have a, you know, minister?
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Luther's sort of shoulder shrugging.
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Well, you know, if we didn't have one
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guy to do it, it would just be total chaos.
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It's a pure, pragmatic, practical move.
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By 1539, he's saying,
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ordination, you've got to make sure that
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the right, competent men are set aside
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to do the task.
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If you like, go back to my first lecture
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yesterday.
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Luther is grasping that point that Paul is
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making in the pastoral epistles.
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Paul doesn't say to Timothy, oh, just read
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the Bible on a Sunday and keep preaching it
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and everything will be okay.
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He doesn't say that.
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He says, appoint men.
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You know, make sure the right men are in
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charge and run in the show.
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That's where Luther is in 1539.
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Luther's starting to think very structurally
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about the church at this point.
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Even though Protestantism roots its
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authority ultimately in the word of God.
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That does not mean, you know, the
-
sufficiency of scripture does not mean
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if you like, that scripture is sufficient
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for all things.
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You still need a structure.
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Then, of course, he improves on Mark
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Deva by saying that prayer, praise and
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thanksgiving are an important mark of
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the church.
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By the way, I have to say, I'm not saying
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anything here that I haven't said to
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Mark's face and wound him up and down.
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He refuses to back down.
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He gave me some waffle about it.
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Well, of course, I didn't mean that they
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were the only nine marks of the church.
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They were just the ones I wanted to
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focus on.
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I was like, yeah, yeah.
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If that helps you sleep at night.
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And then finally, the cross.
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And I think this is where Luther is
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most magnificent in some ways.
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The church, the true church, will suffer.
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And that, I think, is a very useful
-
lesson for us today.
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I know that religious freedom plays
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out differently in the United States
-
than it does here.
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But everybody, I think, in the West
-
is starting to feel the cold blast of
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legal changes that are beginning to
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squeeze the church.
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I read something recently in America
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about somebody saying, you know,
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freedom of speech is not really an
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absolute right.
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That's kind of interesting.
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I've seen law shifting where freedom
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of religion is becoming to be understood
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as, well, the freedom to own your own
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building and do what you want within the
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bounds of your building and not
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anywhere else.
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My church last year did, we did an
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outreach in a park, a local park,
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and we got permission to do it.
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It was a pretty low-key and offensive
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thing.
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I just read The Lion, the Witch and the
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Wardrobe, and we handed out tracts
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afterwards, and I got a note from the
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church secretary yesterday saying that
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we contacted the township for permission
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to do it this year.
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We got a letter back from the township
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saying that they'll be in touch with us
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in a couple of weeks because they're
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reviewing and revising their policy on
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the use of public parks.
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You know, you can just guess the way
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that's going down.
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That's not much suffering, of course,
-
compared to what Luther said.
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But for Luther, the final mark of the
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church is the cross.
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Not only is the cross of Christ, if you
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like, the axiom on which theology is
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built for Luther, not only is it the
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critical thing that all theology has to
-
be refracted through the cross, that has
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a practical experiential aspect as well.
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If you're doing theology right, if you're
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doing church right, then one can expect
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to suffer for it, for that cross-shaped
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theology to manifest itself in the life,
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not only of individual believers, but also
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of the church as a whole.
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So that then is a brief trolley bus tour,
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if you like, of Luther's thinking on the
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church, and the main point is, Luther in
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some ways is a bit like a sort of modern,
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non-ecclesiastical, evangelical in his
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early days.
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All we've got to do is preach the gospel,
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and everything will fall into place.
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By 1539, no, no.
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Actually, we need to prepare.
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Think of Thomas Chalmers, you know, from
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1530 onwards, what's Thomas Chalmers doing
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in Scotland?
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He's preparing.
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Preparation, preparation, preparation.
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Organization, organization, organization.
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We need to remember as a church, as churches,
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it's not just, it isn't even primarily
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those who preach the gospel who win, if
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you like, it's those who preach the gospel
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and organize effectively.
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Lesson Luther learned the hard way.
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Brings me up to time, I'll throw it open for
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questions, comments, pushback.
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Anything else you want me to say about
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Luther?
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I know the answer, I'll try to give it.
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Thank you very much, Kyra, for that.
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Any questions?
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Mark?
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I wrote it back.
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And, Kyra, that last one, I'm very interested.
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When you all think the difficulty between
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Luther and the reform, it's that the reform
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wants you to reform everything out of the world.
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Luther needs to distract us from the church,
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because we sort that out ourselves.
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Can you expand on why that is?
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If Luther started to think this,
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why does the Lutheran Reformation so
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so different from the ancient
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of the church?
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Wow, that's, the question,
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everybody's probably heard it, because
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you're all closer to Matthew than I am,
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but the question is, why does the
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Lutheran Reformation look very different
-
to the reformed Reformation?
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You know, there are a whole host of
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reasons for that.
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One reason is to do with the
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personality of Luther.
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I don't think there's anybody in the
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reformed Reformation who has quite the
-
dominant influence that Luther has.
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So, for example, there's no doubt in my mind
-
that the Lord's Supper issue is a huge issue,
-
initially at least, because of Luther's
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autobiography.
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So much of his own development is wrapped up
-
with the Lord's Supper.
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So much of his reaction to Zwingli is
-
determined by the fact that he's heard
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these views before, in 1522, from Karstadt.
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And Karstadt was a rioting lunatic.
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And Zwingli may look polite, but it's like
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Sinn Féin IRA, if you like.
-
Everybody knows it's the same guys, basically.
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Zwingli looks polite, but man, he's
-
undermining the basis of the church and of
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society.
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So there's a strong personal impact.
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There's also a very different political
-
context.
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Luther's operating in really a, what is
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essentially a slowly modernizing, but
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basically medieval, feudal environment.
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Zwingli and the Reformed are by and large
-
operating in cities, where there's a
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certain level of popular representation
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within towns, where it's more feasible
-
in some ways for preachers to have a much
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more profound and transformative impact
-
on the culture around them.
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So that's an aspect to it.
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I think Luther doesn't, you know, with the
-
exception of Luther, most of the other
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Reformers come from a background in
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Renaissance Humanism.
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And Renaissance Humanism is a program of
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cultural change.
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And people like Zwingli become Reformers, I
-
think, because they realize that the
-
cultural change they want to achieve is
-
not possible simply on the basis of what
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Erasmus has taught them.
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They need something more radical.
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Luther is a medieval man.
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He's a man of the monastic cloister.
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He doesn't have this vision of cultural change
-
that Zwingli and even Calvin bring to their
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ministries.
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So there's a whole variety of reasons why
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Lutheranism and the Reformed look different
-
in the 16th, 17th century.
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Is that what you're getting at?
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Yeah, so it's technically the only issue of
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church structures, exactly.
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Okay, yeah.
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If Luther starts to realize that church structures
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need to be placed in order to preserve or
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to enable Reformation to be able to take.
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I guess my question is, when does it get
-
the end of the position of thinking, well,
-
then we need to reform church structures
-
for it to work, so in the same way as we
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reformed after it to work.
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I think that then you come to the difference,
-
the different ethos in the Lutheran.
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The Lutheran Reformation is much less
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iconoclastic in all senses of the word
-
than the Reformed regime.
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A great example would be that there's a
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strong conservative temper to Luther's
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Reformation.
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A good example would be the debates over
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the catechisms in the 15th century.
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The debate goes on in Lutheranism about,
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you know, should we still call the mass
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the mass?
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Or should we use different terminology?
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And it's a great debate because it's one
-
of those discussions where you think,
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well, both sides have got good arguments.
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And it's not obvious whether one is right
-
and the other is wrong.
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One side of the Lutheran church wants to say,
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you know, we have a new radical theology.
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We need a new vocabulary to express it.
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Luther is more on the side of, you know,
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we're disturbing people by what we're doing.
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The big change in the church,
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things coming into the vernacular,
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the shifts in the liturgical action
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of the mass.
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This is very disturbing for ordinary people.
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So we should keep in place
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as much as we possibly can
-
from the old regime.
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So people are minimally disturbed.
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What we do, if you like,
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is we subvert the old forms.
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We don't get rid of them.
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And that, I think, speaks to a conservative
-
temper in Luther.
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Where, when it comes to church structures,
-
you see this a bit in the Anglican
-
Reformation as well.
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Now, we don't see the details
-
of church government in the New Testament,
-
so we will adopt, adapt,
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transform the structures
-
that we already have.
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Because the structures,
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they're not bad.
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We just need to make sure
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it's the right way of manning them.
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So, and underlying that, of course,
-
ultimately, I think,
-
is a different view of
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what we call the regulative principle,
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I suppose.
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A different view of how and what
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scripture can and must regulate.
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So the Lutheran Reformation
-
is much more conservative.
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You go to Sweden and wander into
-
a Lutheran church in Sweden,
-
it could look more ornate
-
than the Catholic church
-
in this country.
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You know, they didn't get rid of images.
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They didn't get rid of
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the guilt-edged stuff.
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It's all retained.
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Luther had this strong,
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conservative element.
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He was in great fear of unrest,
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rioting, out-of-control,
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popular opinion.
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Does that?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So you heard it here,
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first, Swingley was a member
-
of the IRA.
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Any other questions?
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David.
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It's not very clear on Luther,
-
but your side-point
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about assurance
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in Westminster.
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A way that you
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explained that
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in terms of
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the divides were
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effectively coming
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in terms of
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a hundred years
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or Protestant
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and the speech.
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Yeah.
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Do you think,
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I couldn't tell from the way,
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but do you think
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there is actually
-
a difference between
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those Calvin and
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whether assurances
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of the essence
-
of faith or...
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That's a really good question
-
and I don't think
-
there's any consensus
-
on this.
-
I would say
-
there's a difference
-
in degree,
-
not in kind.
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I think if you look
-
at Calvin's sermons,
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I mean, you'll know
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this better than I do,
-
if you look at Calvin's sermons,
-
you find a more nuanced
-
view of faith
-
than you do
-
if you just read
-
the Institutes
-
and some of the commentaries.
-
So I would say
-
Calvin's statements
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on faith assurance,
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certain knowledge,
-
etc., etc.,
-
set in the context
-
of Calvin's
-
whole pastoral ministry
-
are not his last word
-
on it.
-
His own position
-
is more nuanced.
-
And then I think
-
you're getting down
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to debates of,
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well,
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are the Westminster Divines
-
more open to lack
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of assurance
-
on the whole
-
than Calvin is?
-
Is it more exceptional
-
for Calvin?
-
But I myself would say
-
part of the problem
-
is guys who write
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books on Calvin
-
and all they do
-
is read the Institutes
-
and essentially present
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with the Institutes
-
as Calvin's
-
complete theology,
-
which emphatically
-
is not.
-
I mean,
-
the Institutes
-
is very important,
-
but his preaching,
-
his commentaries,
-
his letters,
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his tracts,
-
all I think
-
have to be taken
-
into account
-
in order to understand
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how he saw
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Protestant preaching
-
impacting the laity.
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You know,
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Rene of France,
-
his correspondence
-
with Rene of France,
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this poor lady
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who's swinging backwards
-
and forwards
-
between Catholicism
-
and Protestantism
-
because of the persecution
-
that her husband
-
is heaping on her.
-
I'd want to look
-
at that correspondence
-
and take that
-
into account.
-
So,
-
it was a sweeping
-
aside.
-
I think the situation
-
is more nuanced.
-
Would you agree?
-
I mean,
-
you know Calvin
-
better than I do.
-
Well,
-
yes,
-
I don't actually think
-
there is a divide
-
between the
-
but it's just a way
-
that you put it
-
in terms of
-
the rest of it.
-
Yeah.
-
Yeah.
-
It was more a swipe
-
at the scholars
-
who don't take
-
into account
-
the concrete
-
pastoral context
-
in which this stuff
-
is being worked out
-
than it was
-
a definitive statement
-
on Calvin.
-
I wondered
-
if you could just
-
clarify
-
the swing
-
of Luther
-
from
-
philo-semitism
-
to anti-semitism.
-
It didn't seem
-
to me convincing
-
to have an explanation
-
that it was just
-
the end of the world
-
didn't come
-
or something.
-
It's a bit of
-
blame for the Jews.
-
Well,
-
I think your problem
-
actually,
-
well,
-
first of all,
-
the language of
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philo and anti-semitism
-
I think is problematic
-
because it's strongly racial.
-
And I am,
-
although I've been,
-
I read a book recently
-
that's making me
-
go back to this
-
and rethink it,
-
I'm pretty persuaded
-
that Luther's problem
-
with the Jews
-
is a religious one
-
not a racial one.
-
I'm not sure
-
that Luther really
-
has racial categories.
-
Compare Luther
-
to the Nuremberg laws
-
in Nazi Germany.
-
The Nuremberg laws
-
are very clear
-
that if you convert
-
to Christianity
-
it doesn't make
-
any difference
-
because the blood
-
is polluted.
-
I think for Luther
-
if a Jew converts
-
to Christianity
-
that's fine,
-
you know,
-
problem solved.
-
So there's a,
-
that's the first point
-
I would want to make.
-
Secondly,
-
I would say
-
we often come at
-
Luther 1543
-
from the wrong end.
-
It's not the treatise
-
of 1543
-
that's a surprise.
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Everybody hates Jews
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in the,
-
well,
-
not everybody,
-
most people hate Jews
-
in the 16th century.
-
There is a strong tradition
-
of anti-Jewish writing
-
in the late Middle Ages.
-
The 1543 treatise
-
that Luther writes
-
uses a lot of the clichés
-
of that tradition.
-
The blood libel,
-
you know,
-
the idea that Jews
-
are kidnapping Christian babies
-
and crucifying them.
-
That occurs.
-
So Luther's 1543 treatise
-
is very much part
-
of a much larger
-
and wider genre
-
of anti-Jewish writing.
-
He's jumping on the bandwagon.
-
Well,
-
he's part and parcel
-
of the cultural flow
-
of the times.
-
The problem for Luther
-
on the Jews
-
is 1523.
-
Why does he write
-
positively about the Jews
-
in 1523?
-
So the problem is not
-
why he's anti-Jewish
-
in 1543.
-
That's easy to explain.
-
That was the way
-
the culture was going.
-
The problem is,
-
why does he like
-
the Jews in 1523?
-
And that's where
-
the eschatological argument
-
comes in.
-
Because he expects
-
them to be converted
-
and the end of the world
-
to come.
-
And when that hope dies,
-
he reverts to time.
-
And then I would play
-
the classic historian's
-
ploy at this point.
-
That's speculation.
-
Give me a better
-
explanation for it
-
and I'll abandon it.
-
You know,
-
so that's...
-
So that's...
-
So that's...
-
Calvin,
-
are you?
-
I've not looked at
-
Calvin on the Jews
-
enough to know.
-
But certainly,
-
you see,
-
Luther is a late medieval man.
-
Calvin is a trained humanist.
-
He's a man of the modern world,
-
we would say.
-
Luther's entire education
-
operates within the boundaries
-
of late medieval Catholicism,
-
really.
-
So,
-
I would say,
-
Luther is the exceptional
-
reformer for a number
-
of reasons,
-
not least the fact that
-
he doesn't like Erasmus.
-
There's little time
-
for Erasmus.
-
He's not really influenced
-
by Erasmus
-
beyond the text
-
of the Greek New Testament.
-
But I'd have to go
-
and look at...
-
Have you looked at
-
Calvin on the Jews
-
at all, David?
-
A little bit, yeah.
-
Calvin's much more...
-
It's easier to refer
-
to Calvin as being
-
anti-Jewish
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rather than anti-Semitic.
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So he has a much more
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clearer theological position
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of why,
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particularly in Romans 9-11,
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why the way that Paul reads
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Old Testament Jews
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is not believing the gospel
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and so having Paul
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in favor of Calvin
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reads that
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in a way that's
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a lot more acceptable
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because he doesn't seem
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to slip into racist language.
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Luther is a bombast.
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I mean,
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Luther is a powerful rhetorician
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and it's both
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his strength at times
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and it completely
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undoes him at others.
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Peasants' war,
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dreadful writings
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against the peasants,
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against the Jews.
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You know,
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we should lock them
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in their synagogues
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and burn their synagogues down.
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That is A,
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powerful rhetoric at the time
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and B,
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from a post-Holocaust perspective,
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that's exactly
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what was done in some...
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It looks like a prophecy
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or a policy.
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But I think what Luther's...
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Luther's just being Luther
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and bombastic at that point.
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He doesn't expect
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anybody to do it.
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Well,
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unfortunately,
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our words live
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beyond the grave.
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I'd go over
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and argue
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that the reform
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come off better
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from the...
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And this is a question
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because there are
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the experience of much.
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The Jewish experience
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of dispersion
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and exile
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and that's a way
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that was the reformer
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of the person
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who didn't fight them
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so much.
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I saw a conservative
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and the Jews
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in a way that
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prevented them
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from using
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the language
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of the Jews.
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There is a superb book...
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Sorry.
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There's a superb book
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just being published
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maybe in the last year
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by...
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I think it's the Institute
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for Holocaust Studies
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in Washington.
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I can't remember
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the gentleman's name.
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His father-in-law
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is actually a Westminster grad
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and the gentleman
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is a...
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The scholar who wrote it
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is an RTS grad,
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a Form Theological Seminary grad,
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who did his PhD
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I think at King's College London.
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And it's called
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Demonising the Jews.
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And it's a fascinating study
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of the use of Luther's writings
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in Germany
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between
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1900 and 1945.
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It's a fascinating study
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of how Luther is appropriate.
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I think you'd...
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you would find
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a more sophisticated treatment
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of Luther and the Jews
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there than I can give you now.
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Thank you very much.
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It's...
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Send me an email
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if you lose the title
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or need to know
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the name of the author.
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I've got it on my bookshelf
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at home.
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It's a very, very good book.
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In fact, I did an article
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on the website
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Reformation 21
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just a week or two ago
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on part two
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of a sort of book
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on how to read Luther
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and I list the book there
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in the last section
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and say
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Luther on the Jews
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and I give
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three or four titles
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and that's one of them.
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It's really a very
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excellent treatment.
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Right.
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We need to wind it up there.
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Maybe, just thinking
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about the
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astrological connection,
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it's interesting
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in the 19th century
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when there was the explosion
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in missionary
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out of the UK
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there was an expectation
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both of the Lord's return
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the world was going
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to be evangelized
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and that went hand in hand
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with an increasing concern
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for evangelization
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of the Jews.
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Just an interesting...
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Yeah, the 19th century
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Scotland of course.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He's got McShane and company.
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I think we need to...
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Maybe we'll want
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a quick question.
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Bob or that
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by Christopher Brooks.
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Christopher Brooks.
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That's the name.
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Yeah.
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Thank you very much.
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Oh, right.
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Because he was based
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in London for a while.
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Go back to the US.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Christopher Brooks.
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It's an excellent book.
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And that's the book
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that's making me...
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He makes the argument
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that there is a racial component
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even to Luther.
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And I've got to think
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about that.
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I've really been
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an Oberman man
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until now
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but his arguments
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are not insubstantial.
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It's a very good book.
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Yeah, it's a very,
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very good book.
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Fortunately,
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I like Paul Althaus's
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writings on Luther.
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Paul Althaus doesn't
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come out too well.
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A bit too close
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to the Nazi party,
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unfortunately.
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Thank you very much,
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Carl.
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Paul, what...