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The Atonement - Adult SS - Lesson 1: The Need for Atonement

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  1. Here we go. So Leviticus 6, if anyone sins and commits a breach of faith against the Lord, the priest shall make atonement for him before the Lord and he shall be forgiven.

  2. So the word atonement, it's a biblical word, so that's why we're using this term.

  3. But second of all, atonement is a helpful word to use because it tells us what the cross is all about.

  4. At, what's going on on the cross? Because the word atonement means at-one-ment, right?

  5. So that's how you can remember it. It means at-one-ment. It means making at one.

  6. So you can just break it up if you want to remember that.

  7. The cross, the atonement, is all about making sinners one with God.

  8. And so the atonement, what we're going to be thinking about this term, this is at the very heart of the gospel.

  9. This is, you can have this in your mind, this is the absolute essential core of our faith.

  10. So look what the Apostle Paul says about the atonement, about the cross, 1 Corinthians 2.

  11. So do you see what Paul is saying here? Christ crucified, the atonement, that is the essential thing that Paul preached.

  12. The atonement, all that we're thinking about this series, this is the irreducible heart of the gospel message.

  13. Now, we also need to realise the gospel includes more than the atonement, but it's never less than the atonement.

  14. What we're thinking about, this is the heart of the gospel.

  15. And so this term, my intention is for us to really dive in and think about, deeply, about the cross, about what Christ was doing on there.

  16. And so my intention for us is just to get a better appreciation and love for the atonement.

  17. And so I want us to have a deeper understanding of the cross.

  18. I want us to think about things like, why do we need the atonement?

  19. Why the cross?

  20. What exactly was Jesus doing on the cross?

  21. What was he experiencing on that day?

  22. Who was he dying for?

  23. And if Jesus was forsaken by God, as he says on the cross, how does all that relate to the Trinity?

  24. So all these things I want us to get into, we're going to be starting a little bit shallower today, and then we're going to slowly get deeper and deeper.

  25. And so some of this, particularly some of the early things, might be familiar to you.

  26. If so, if these things are familiar, I hope we can just get a clearer and deeper understanding of things you're familiar with.

  27. But hopefully, as we kind of get deeper into the waters, there'll be new things that we'll discover.

  28. And so just get a better appreciation of the cross.

  29. But today, I want us to start slightly in the shallow end as we wade into this pool.

  30. I want us to see why we need the atonement.

  31. Why the cross?

  32. Why the cross and death and blood?

  33. Why all of this is necessary?

  34. Why do we need the atonement?

  35. But to see that, we need to realise, first of all, there is a problem.

  36. Because if the atonement means being at one with God, remember, at one-ment, then that presumes a problem.

  37. It presumes something is broken, doesn't it?

  38. It presupposes there is not at one-ment in this world.

  39. The atonement says something about us and humanity and the world.

  40. It says there is a deep need of being at one.

  41. And that is because in our sin, there is something broken.

  42. We have broken everything.

  43. And this is the first point I want us to see today.

  44. You can follow along on your handout.

  45. We have broken everything.

  46. So as we set out to understand the atonement and what it means, what it involves, all that was happening on the cross,

  47. a helpful starting point is to see the need for the atonement.

  48. And to do that, we need to go back to the beginning.

  49. We need to see how God intended this world and humanity to be.

  50. So let's think about creation.

  51. So what happened in the beginning?

  52. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

  53. In the beginning, God created the world.

  54. That's all creation.

  55. I'll call it the world.

  56. So God created the heavens and the earth, everything.

  57. And he made humanity a part of that creation.

  58. He made humanity a part of that creation.

  59. But not merely just a part of it.

  60. So when God created humanity, we aren't just like he created rocks.

  61. And just like rocks, he created humans.

  62. Or just like he created ants or tigers.

  63. He also created humans.

  64. No, God has made us above all that.

  65. God has made us with a special responsibility toward him.

  66. And what is that responsibility?

  67. So God created us, but he created us special and with a responsibility toward him.

  68. And what is that responsibility?

  69. Genesis 1.

  70. Let us make man in our image after our likeness.

  71. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth.

  72. And over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.

  73. So do you see, we are not just mere animals.

  74. We've been given the responsibility and privilege to image God.

  75. That is a part of who we are.

  76. We are to reflect what he is like.

  77. That's what an image is.

  78. An image reflects what he is like.

  79. We are to reflect God's righteousness and holiness and his rule here on earth.

  80. And so we are moral creatures.

  81. We are accountable to God.

  82. And so we are not here neutrally here on earth.

  83. We are not here kind of left up to our own devices, our own direction, our own standards.

  84. No, we're accountable to God.

  85. And so we are creatures who must obey God.

  86. And so God has given us a law to obey.

  87. If we are to obey God, what do we obey?

  88. We obey a law.

  89. We are to listen to all that he says and love God and depend on him and glorify him all by obeying him.

  90. And for Adam or for us, the half that looks like the Ten Commandments.

  91. That is the sum of God's law.

  92. And that would have been the case for Adam as well.

  93. But Adam kind of had a central command that kind of took all those Ten Commandments and focused it on one commandment.

  94. It took the form of a specific command, Genesis 2.

  95. And the Lord God commanded the man saying,

  96. You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat.

  97. For in that day that you eat of it, you shall surely die.

  98. So Adam had a law that he was to obey.

  99. And this is a part of the design of humanity.

  100. We are made to obey God.

  101. And it's in this state of obedience.

  102. It's in this state that God is pleased with us.

  103. He's happy with his creation when he sees this.

  104. That's why when he makes humanity on the sixth day, what does he say at the end of that day?

  105. It is very good.

  106. He sees this unstained, obedient humanity and he says, this is very good.

  107. He's pleased with it.

  108. And so we are made to be in a good, peaceful, right relationship with God.

  109. We're not meant to be neutral in God's eyes.

  110. God is not meant to be indifferent to us.

  111. No, we're made to be right with God.

  112. And not only that, we are made to be with God.

  113. Because what did God do with humanity in the garden?

  114. Genesis 3.

  115. God walked in the garden with Adam and Eve.

  116. This is a part of how humanity is designed.

  117. We are designed to be with God, actually with God.

  118. For him to live with us and for us to know him and love him and have communion with him.

  119. And enjoy this peaceful, right relationship with him.

  120. So not only do we have responsibility toward God, but God has designed as well for him to be with us.

  121. We are made to be with God.

  122. To have this close communion with him.

  123. And so what is this dynamic between God and man meant to be like?

  124. Well, there's meant to be peace with God.

  125. Peace between us and a peace-filled world.

  126. There's meant to be joy in this dynamic.

  127. God is meant to be our delight.

  128. And God is meant to be pleased with this world.

  129. And there's meant to be life.

  130. So God is the source of life.

  131. And we're meant to be with him and enjoy that life and be nourished by him.

  132. And this whole world is meant to be filled with life.

  133. And there's meant to be communion with God.

  134. This means knowing God and loving him and having him in our lives as our God.

  135. All this is to say is that we are meant to be at one with God.

  136. We are meant to be at one.

  137. So man is meant to be at one with God.

  138. God is meant to be at one with man.

  139. And there's meant to be one whole at one world.

  140. But this isn't the way the world stayed.

  141. In sin, what should be one became broken in every possible way.

  142. And what did God say was the consequence of disobedience?

  143. Genesis 2.

  144. For in the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die.

  145. But because we have sinned and we've broken God's law.

  146. And sin is lawlessness.

  147. Sin is breaking God's law.

  148. Because of all that, our status has now changed before God.

  149. So we're made to be right with God.

  150. We're meant to have peace with him and have this at one relationship.

  151. But now we are guilty before God.

  152. And therefore, because we're guilty, we now owe something to God.

  153. There's a payment needing to be made to God.

  154. And that payment, what is it?

  155. It's our lives.

  156. You shall surely die.

  157. You could say, because we didn't obey God, and we don't in our sin.

  158. Because we didn't obey God, we are now guilty before God.

  159. And so there is now a debt placed above our heads.

  160. There's now a debt placed above our heads.

  161. Humanity is now in a guilty sin debt to God.

  162. God, in his justice and righteousness, demands something from us in our guilt.

  163. And we owe him something.

  164. What is it?

  165. Our lives.

  166. And that's how being guilty works.

  167. So think about just breaking the law in our country, right?

  168. When we break the law in this country, we become guilty, don't we?

  169. And justice demands something from us.

  170. We have to pay something in some way.

  171. So if you use your phone while driving, you become guilty of that.

  172. And then you owe something.

  173. You have to pay £200, and you get six points on your license.

  174. Okay?

  175. When you're guilty, you become in debt £200.

  176. Or if you commit murder, the price you pay for that, it's 30 years in prison or more.

  177. So when you become guilty of murder, you become in debt, 30 years of your life in debt.

  178. That's what you have to pay.

  179. Well, if you break God's law, if you sin, you must pay with your life.

  180. Humanity has become in debt with our lives, our souls, our blood.

  181. And this is how scripture speaks.

  182. So have a look at Ezekiel 18.

  183. The soul who sins shall die.

  184. There's a justice kind of embedded into this world where the soul who sins must die.

  185. That is the payment.

  186. And look how Jesus teaches us to pray in Matthew 6.

  187. Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

  188. Jesus speaks of sin as a debt.

  189. When we sin, we owe something.

  190. And Colossians 2 speaks of that as well.

  191. It speaks of the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands.

  192. There is a debt over sinful humanity.

  193. But it's not just our physical lives, a few years here on earth that we have to give up.

  194. No.

  195. This death means eternal death.

  196. And this is what the whole teaching of hell is all about.

  197. The price you pay for sinning against an infinitely holy and righteous God.

  198. That price, it's an infinite death.

  199. Infinite suffering.

  200. That is what must be owed.

  201. And so this debt that hangs over a sinful humanity, this is huge.

  202. This debt hanging over us is the debt of hell.

  203. And humanity is trapped under this debt.

  204. It follows us everywhere.

  205. We can't escape it.

  206. So it's like if you commit a crime, you're trapped under that debt, aren't you?

  207. If you commit murder, even if you run away, that debt still hangs over you.

  208. And so justice and the police and the courts, they won't let that go.

  209. That debt is constantly over you.

  210. And so that is the same with us.

  211. We are now trapped in sin and guilt and debt.

  212. And we can't escape.

  213. And so not only that, our status has changed before God.

  214. This isn't the way God designed it to be.

  215. Our status wasn't intended to be like this.

  216. But now our status has changed.

  217. We are now in debt before God.

  218. And so also God's view toward us has changed.

  219. And I want you to see how.

  220. I want you to break into groups.

  221. Look at the little breakout section in that box.

  222. And just look at these verses and answer the following questions.

  223. It should be fairly simple.

  224. And you'll probably get it after two verses.

  225. But just look at them all.

  226. Get an appreciation of what scripture has to say.

  227. Go.

  228. I'll give you a couple of minutes for that.

  229. Thank you.

  230. You're a lot of interest.

  231. in any interest.

  232. Thank you.

  233. Thank you.

  234. Thank you.

  235. Thank you.

  236. Thank you.

  237. Thank you.

  238. Thank you.

  239. Okay, let's bring it together.

  240. I'm going to pick on some people.

  241. Ben, you look like you're having a good discussion.

  242. How does God feel about guilty humanity and sin?

  243. What were some of the conclusions?

  244. He says he is indignant and angry.

  245. Indignant.

  246. What does it mean, Paul?

  247. Yeah.

  248. When you're angry with the people, you're justified in anger.

  249. Okay.

  250. God is justified in his anger because we've sinned against him, so he's righteously angry.

  251. Yeah, exactly.

  252. God is now angry with us, with a guilty humanity.

  253. And do you notice, have a look at John 3, verse 6.

    John 3:6

  254. Who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

  255. So the word remains, it implies that this is now the default.

  256. Okay.

  257. By nature, we are children of God's wrath.

  258. Wrath means anger, right?

  259. His wrath is now set against humanity and sin.

  260. So we were made to be right with God.

  261. Peace, friendship, unity.

  262. But now, we are not right with God.

  263. And so, I'll keep that for now.

  264. We're not right with God.

  265. And so, God is angry with this world.

  266. We don't have the peace and life and joy and communion with God.

  267. But there is now, on God's part, toward us, wrath.

  268. God is angry with this world.

  269. He has a disposition of wrath, anger toward guilty sinners.

  270. And so, do you see in Numbers 14?

  271. This is describing who God is, his nature.

  272. And it says, he does not let the guilty just go scot-free.

  273. He can't.

  274. He's too just, too righteous.

  275. And so, this anger, this wrath, this is a righteous anger toward the guilty.

  276. This isn't God just losing control and just flying off the handle and being angry.

  277. No.

  278. This is a righteous anger from a judge who has perfect justice in him.

  279. And this is a righteous anger against sinners who have broken a holy law against an infinitely holy God.

  280. And we've spat in God's face.

  281. And so, he is, he's wrathful.

  282. And so, just at this point, I want us to just to never forget how severe our sin is.

  283. And so, what has happened to the relationship between God and man?

  284. I hope you can tell just by these verses.

  285. We have been separated from God.

  286. We can't be in his presence.

  287. What happened in the Garden of Eden?

  288. We were cast out of the Garden.

  289. And it was blocked off with an angel with a flaming sword.

  290. Shut off.

  291. If you wanted to try and get back in, you can only die, right?

  292. A sword is there.

  293. We can't have communion with him or know him or enjoy him.

  294. In sin, we are now enemies with God.

  295. And so, there is a debt on us.

  296. There is anger on God's part wrath.

  297. And so, the relationship between us is broken.

  298. It's fractured.

  299. We are no longer at one with God.

  300. And this broken relationship, it means we have broken everything.

  301. So, we now live in a cursed world that is also broken.

  302. This world isn't at one.

  303. So, there is now broken nature.

  304. Floods and hurricanes and disease.

  305. Broken bodies that feel pain and wear away and break and suffer and die.

  306. And broken relationships.

  307. We've now become separated from each other in this world.

  308. We were meant to be a united humanity.

  309. But now we've become separated.

  310. We're against each other.

  311. That there are now feuds and falling out.

  312. And violence and wars.

  313. This is what's going on in Venezuela.

  314. Right?

  315. It's all from this.

  316. And so, from our sin, we have broken everything.

  317. From this.

  318. This is the source of it.

  319. From this comes the breaking of the whole world.

  320. And so, what is meant to be a united creation, at one with God, it has become...

  321. Well, let's just neaten up a bit.

  322. It's become this.

  323. It's just a bit of a neater version of this.

  324. Okay?

  325. It has become this.

  326. Wrath on God's part.

  327. Debt.

  328. A huge sin debt on ours.

  329. And a broken relationship.

  330. Right?

  331. It's not this nice, united God and man.

  332. No.

  333. It is a one-way direction of wrath.

  334. And this, this is the problem of the world right now.

  335. This is the heart of why everything is the way that it is.

  336. Humanity is in a guilty sin debt before a holy, angry God.

  337. And the world has become separated from him.

  338. This is the problem of our friends and colleagues and neighbours and the whole world.

  339. And yes, there are lots of other problems that we face in this world.

  340. We're miserable.

  341. We lack meaning.

  342. Our hearts are all messed up.

  343. There are wars and suffering.

  344. But actually, all these other problems stem from this.

  345. This is the heart of it.

  346. We are no longer right with God.

  347. And when you separate yourself from the God of life, of course, all these other problems are going to flow from it.

  348. But the heart of the issue is how we stand before God.

  349. We are not at one with him.

  350. And every other culture and religion out there knows that this world is broken.

  351. Everyone knows something isn't right.

  352. Everyone's trying to find a solution to this.

  353. But none of these solutions are working.

  354. Because they don't realise that this is the problem.

  355. This is the source of it.

  356. It's all actually about being not at one with God.

  357. And so what is the greatest need of the world right now?

  358. We need this brokenness between God and man to be resolved.

  359. We need to be at one.

  360. That is to say we need atonement.

  361. And this is the second point to see today.

  362. We need atonement at one-ment.

  363. So let's see what we have so far.

  364. You can think there are three aspects to this problem.

  365. The first, first of all, you can see one problem.

  366. There is debt.

  367. Our debts need to be paid.

  368. The price of death needs to be given to God.

  369. Or in other words, we need redemption.

  370. now the word redemption might be familiar to us as christians we hear it but let's think about

  371. what redemption really means redemption means to ransom okay a redemption is a ransom so think

  372. about the films think about die hard doesn't have a ransom in it think of an action film with a

  373. ransom right so someone is kidnapped uh rush hour there we go rush hour um someone is kidnapped

  374. and the kidnappers might put a ransom price on their heads you know pay us one million pounds

  375. and then the hostage can go free and if you pay that million pounds so that million pounds that's

  376. the ransom cost and if you pay that money that hostage is ransomed they are redeemed

  377. that is a redemption okay well in a similar way we need the price on our heads

  378. the price of death the curse of law breaking we need that to be paid for us remember we are trapped

  379. hostages to our sin and guilt and debt and so we need redemption

  380. redemption and this is what jesus says the atonement is all about so so look at mark 10

  381. for even the son of man came not to be served but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many

  382. and you can read the word ransom here is redemption okay in it's sometimes translated redemption okay

  383. we need redemption but also that there's another aspect to this central problem um god's wrath

  384. needs to be satisfied

  385. god's wrath it needs to be appeased pacified stopped or in other words we need propitiation

  386. okay i think i'm sorry right propitiation now this is a funny word we don't often hear it a lot but

  387. but propitiation it basically means god's wrath is satisfied pacified ended okay this is how john

  388. speaks of the atonement in one john four in this is love not that we have loved god but that he loved

  389. us and sent his son to be the propitiation for our sins

  390. he sent his son to be the one that appeases god's wrath if we're to escape death escape punishment

  391. we need this wrath to go that this cannot remain there and so we need propitiation

  392. and thirdly that there's a third aspect

  393. to this problem

  394. our relationship needs to be restored we need to be brought back to god

  395. in other words we need

  396. reconciliation

  397. reconciliation

  398. and that's how the apostle paul speaks of christ's work so look at 2 corinthians 5

  399. in christ god was reconciling the world to himself

  400. and this is relational language isn't it reconciling so if two friends have fallen out

  401. that they're not speaking but then someone brings them together and they have a meeting and they work

  402. things out and they become friends again what do we say about the relationship those two people we say

  403. that they have been reconciled

  404. reconciliation is when two parties are brought back together

  405. well god and man needs to be reconciled

  406. and these three things here

  407. these these are the three

  408. uh aspects of the problem

  409. and so these three elements of what we need

  410. this is what we mean by atonement

  411. okay

  412. this

  413. this

  414. all these things together

  415. this is atonement

  416. these are the three aspects of the atonement you could say

  417. uh this is these three things are what is involved in atonement

  418. and this is the great need of the world

  419. we need redemption from our sin

  420. we need god's wrath to be propitiated

  421. and we need to be reconciled with god

  422. this is atonement okay

  423. and you can probably already tell

  424. these things are related

  425. right

  426. these aren't just three kind of like floating

  427. aspects of a problem

  428. no they're all kind of interconnected and related

  429. so our wrath

  430. god's wrath against us

  431. it means we're not reconciled

  432. doesn't it right

  433. so wrath

  434. it creates that

  435. it is a

  436. it is an aspect of that division right

  437. we're divided because there's wrath

  438. and we have a debt

  439. which uh

  440. which means

  441. we're not right with god

  442. so there's division

  443. and that debt

  444. is

  445. god's wrath

  446. god's

  447. the the debt

  448. that we must receive

  449. also the punishment

  450. that we must receive

  451. is god's wrath

  452. right

  453. death

  454. it

  455. it's the wrath of god

  456. okay

  457. so all these things are kind of interconnected and related

  458. but but they're

  459. they they emphasize

  460. different aspects

  461. of what is needed in the atonement

  462. all of this is involved

  463. but they're just different aspects

  464. and so

  465. the atonement

  466. this

  467. this is the heart of what we need

  468. this is the heart of what the world needs

  469. and so

  470. no wonder

  471. when it comes to christ's work of salvation

  472. the atonement

  473. the cross

  474. it's no wonder that

  475. the cross lies at the heart of that work

  476. paul made known

  477. christ and him crucified

  478. this is the heart of the gospel

  479. because this is the

  480. the heart of what we need

  481. we need

  482. atonement

  483. and so

  484. what we have here

  485. we have now set up

  486. the need

  487. and the categories

  488. of what is involved

  489. in in in the atonement

  490. and next week

  491. i want us to see

  492. how christ's death

  493. actually achieves all this

  494. okay

  495. so if this is the need

  496. these are the categories

  497. how does christ's death

  498. actually achieve this

  499. how does the cross

  500. actually bring

  501. about atonement for us

  502. so we're going to look at that

  503. next week

  504. but for now

  505. this is

  506. this is the background

  507. um

  508. that gives meaning

  509. to the cross

  510. and so

  511. i'm going to leave

  512. in a bit of a cliffhanger

  513. today

  514. because we're going to get

  515. on to the cross

  516. next week

  517. but to finish

  518. i want us to ask

  519. okay

  520. this is what is needed

  521. but is this

  522. necessary

  523. okay

  524. it's needed

  525. but is it

  526. necessary

  527. can't god

  528. can't god

  529. solve

  530. the problem

  531. of sin

  532. some other way

  533. right

  534. so uh

  535. look at this quote

  536. from richard dawkins

  537. he wants

  538. to ask something

  539. uh

  540. uh

  541. pretty much like this

  542. he said

  543. if god

  544. wanted to forgive

  545. our sins

  546. why didn't he just

  547. forgive them

  548. why did he have to

  549. have his son

  550. tortured

  551. or

  552. we can phrase

  553. that question

  554. um

  555. in terms of these

  556. categories

  557. that we have here

  558. right

  559. why do we need

  560. redemption

  561. why can't god

  562. just ignore

  563. the debt

  564. why do we need

  565. propitiation

  566. can't god

  567. just stop

  568. being angry

  569. at sinners

  570. was there

  571. some other

  572. way

  573. god

  574. could deal

  575. with the

  576. problem

  577. of sin

  578. what was the

  579. atonement

  580. was it just

  581. a good

  582. solution

  583. to the

  584. problem

  585. of the

  586. world

  587. or is the

  588. atonement

  589. a necessary

  590. solution

  591. to the

  592. problem

  593. of the

  594. world

  595. well i

  596. want us

  597. to see

  598. that the

  599. atonement

  600. is absolutely

  601. necessary

  602. and the

  603. reason is

  604. because of

  605. who god

  606. is

  607. so look

  608. again at

  609. numbers 14

  610. the lord

  611. is slow

  612. to anger

  613. and abounding

  614. in steadfast

  615. love

  616. forgiving

  617. iniquity

  618. and transgression

  619. but he

  620. will by no

  621. means clear

  622. the guilty

  623. visiting the

  624. iniquity of

  625. the fathers

  626. on the

  627. children to

  628. the third

  629. and the

  630. fourth

  631. generation

  632. god

  633. cannot

  634. just

  635. ignore

  636. the

  637. guilty

  638. he can't

  639. let the

  640. guilty

  641. go scot

  642. free

  643. and why

  644. well it's

  645. to do

  646. with who

  647. he is

  648. his character

  649. deuteronomy

  650. 32

  651. god is

  652. the rock

  653. his work

  654. is perfect

  655. for all

  656. his ways

  657. are justice

  658. a god

  659. of faithfulness

  660. and without

  661. iniquity

  662. just

  663. and upright

  664. is he

  665. so do you

  666. see what god

  667. is like

  668. he's just

  669. god is the

  670. god of

  671. perfect

  672. justice

  673. and so

  674. in short

  675. god is

  676. too holy

  677. and too

  678. righteous

  679. and too

  680. just

  681. to simply

  682. ignore sin

  683. and sweep

  684. it under

  685. the rug

  686. and we

  687. would think

  688. that way

  689. too as

  690. well

  691. so if

  692. there is

  693. an evil

  694. in this

  695. world

  696. a theft

  697. a burglary

  698. and a judge

  699. knew about

  700. it

  701. but the

  702. judge just

  703. let it

  704. go

  705. we would

  706. say

  707. that is

  708. unjust

  709. that's

  710. wrong

  711. that isn't

  712. right

  713. that is

  714. a fault

  715. in the

  716. judge

  717. well

  718. in the

  719. scales

  720. of god's

  721. justice

  722. it would

  723. be wrong

  724. for god

  725. to know

  726. about sin

  727. know about

  728. our law

  729. breaking

  730. and just

  731. ignore it

  732. in fact

  733. god would

  734. cease to

  735. be holy

  736. if he just

  737. decided our

  738. sin doesn't

  739. matter anymore

  740. i can sweep

  741. that under

  742. the rug

  743. no to

  744. ignore

  745. sin

  746. it's to

  747. say it

  748. doesn't

  749. matter

  750. but god

  751. is too

  752. holy

  753. and too

  754. just to

  755. do that

  756. and so

  757. the debt

  758. of sin

  759. cannot just

  760. be ignored

  761. it must

  762. be redeemed

  763. in some

  764. way

  765. god's

  766. wrath

  767. can't just

  768. stop

  769. it needs

  770. to land

  771. somewhere

  772. and god

  773. can't just

  774. leave his

  775. enemies to

  776. run around

  777. and not

  778. be dealt

  779. with

  780. there needs

  781. to be

  782. reconciliation

  783. and so

  784. atonement

  785. is absolutely

  786. necessary for

  787. sinners to

  788. be saved

  789. so

  790. Dawkins

  791. question

  792. if god

  793. wanted to

  794. forgive our

  795. sins

  796. why didn't

  797. he just

  798. forgive them

  799. well he

  800. can forgive

  801. our sins

  802. wonderfully

  803. he can

  804. but forgiveness

  805. must come

  806. through

  807. atonement

  808. but a

  809. question

  810. remains

  811. if this

  812. debt

  813. can't just

  814. disappear

  815. and if

  816. this wrath

  817. can't just

  818. disappear

  819. and we

  820. can't pay

  821. that debt

  822. and we

  823. can't handle

  824. that wrath

  825. how

  826. how can

  827. we find

  828. atonement

  829. atonement

  830. well what

  831. we need

  832. is a

  833. sacrifice

  834. atonement

  835. can only

  836. happen

  837. by something

  838. or someone

  839. else

  840. being

  841. sacrificed

  842. as a

  843. substitute

  844. for us

  845. the debt

  846. needs to be

  847. paid somehow

  848. the wrath

  849. needs to land

  850. somewhere

  851. and so

  852. we need

  853. a sacrifice

  854. to step in

  855. for us

  856. and I

  857. wonder who

  858. that could

  859. be

  860. come again

  861. next week

  862. and we

  863. will think

  864. deeply

  865. about the

  866. cross

  867. I think

  868. we've got a bit

  869. of time

  870. yeah we've got

  871. one minute

  872. for questions