Sermon
Christian Vocation: Antoine Claiborne, nonprofit/construction
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Transcript
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because we couldn't get the screen to work.
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Well, good morning everyone. Thanks for coming out this morning.
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The title of my presentation is going to be
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Competent Person Training, How to Serve the Human Community.
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And kind of this part that I was going to talk about
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is being competent in your work and things of that nature.
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And if I would have did some proper planning this morning,
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I would have figured out that the stuff wasn't working and we would get here.
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But I'm a construction manager.
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We think on our feet and we just kind of keep things moving.
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So in every good endeavor,
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Tim Keller gets into this section called
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Work as Ministry of Competence.
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And he starts that off this way.
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One of the main ways you love others in your work
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is through the ministry of competence.
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If God's purpose for your job is that you serve the human community,
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then the way to serve God best is to do the job
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as well as it can be done.
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So this section really, really struck me.
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And I feel like it really sums up
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how God has called me to serve in this job.
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And Keller in this section,
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he puts it a little bit differently than we would define,
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like competent person in construction.
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We kind of use that as it relates to like safety
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and having somebody with like the authority
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and the skill to identify like unsafe things on site
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and the ability to change those things.
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But Keller defines it a little bit differently
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as he talks about doing work well
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and having this mindset of being competent in your work
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is something to satisfy you
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in a way to love others through your work.
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And in my role, I don't always have the time to be on site
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and supervise every nail that's driven.
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But I do have the ability to kind of set the toll
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in the way that we build our homes
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and the way we treat our volunteers
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and the way we serve our homeowners.
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And a little while ago,
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Hurricane Michael happened in Florida.
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And then this article came out in the Washington Post.
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There's this picture of these five houses
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in the middle of this picture still standing
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and the rest of the neighborhood
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is kind of demolished by the storm
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and they've stuffed with heavy damage.
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But the five houses in the middle of this picture
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are five habitat homes that were built.
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You kind of see these five metal roofs
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in the middle of this kind of scene
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that you're going to kind of see
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when the handouts get here
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of these five houses still standing
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suffered only minor damage.
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I know a lot of people,
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when you put the word affordable in things,
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they think that it's cheap,
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but that's not really the way we operate a habitat.
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Cheap doesn't really factor into
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what we call affordable housing and affordable homes.
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And those kind of go around.
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You kind of see that picture as well.
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And just kind of reading this book
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and thinking about work and the way I work,
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kind of a bit of my origin.
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I started working at eight.
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I was put on the riding lawnmower.
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And I was mooring about six acres of grass a week
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at that point.
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So starting at a very young age,
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getting out and working and growing up on a farm.
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I guess some of my aspirations were going up.
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Maybe I saw a movie once,
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like in elementary school,
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I said I wanted to be a stockbroker
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because I wanted to make a lot of money.
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And then I started kind of drawing a bit in middle school.
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I wanted to be an artist or architect
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and going into high school
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and being kind of mechanically inclined,
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wanting to be either like an engineer
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or a custom car builder,
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those type of things.
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I really didn't consider construction
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until I got to college,
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which at that time is where I met Christ.
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And I was also considering full-time ministry as well.
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And even along that process,
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kind of picking up some other jobs,
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I worked in the brake manufacturing plant one summer.
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I detailed boats another summer.
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I worked at Target for a couple years
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when I was in college,
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waking up at 3.30 in the morning
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to go stock shelves there
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and then go into class.
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So just from that young age of like working
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and always having a job,
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I think it's kind of affected the way
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I kind of approach work now
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and the effort and ethic I put into that as well.
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So yeah, so when I got to college,
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I started to seriously consider construction.
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I went there thinking I was going to be a civil engineer
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or some type of engineer,
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got put on the wait list,
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had time on my hands to kind of think about
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what I wanted to do,
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what major I wanted to end up in.
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And as I talked to my advisor,
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she introduced me to the building construction program there.
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And as I just started to look through the courses,
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it seemed to kind of line up to
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where I wanted to be in life.
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And then also around that time is
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I met four guys who introduced me to Christ
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and seeing them live out their salvation
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also changed the way,
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started to change my worldview
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and changed the way I started to think about work
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during that time.
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So over the course of my college career,
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like becoming a Christian
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and learning more about service
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and how that impacts our lives
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and the people around us
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and going to a college whose motto is
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ut prosum that I may serve.
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So all those factors kind of feel like
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I've been being pushed along this journey
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into a life where I'm serving people
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through this nonprofit.
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So probably around my senior year,
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I really need to start considering some things,
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looking at a few other nonprofits,
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looking at Habitat.
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I had a friend on the Gulf Coast
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who was doing AmeriCorps year
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after Katrina with another nonprofit.
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He's like, hey, you should check out this program.
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Like around that time,
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things weren't so well for the construction industry,
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2009, 2010.
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There weren't a lot of jobs out there.
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And I think that's another thing
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God kind of used to force me into this path.
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But I was still considering
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for-profit opportunities.
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There was a few companies I was talking to.
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And I was pretty deep into talks
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with this one company
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that I thought I was going to be working for.
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And kind of through the interview process,
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I kind of emailed them saying like,
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it wasn't the right fit.
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It wasn't going to work out.
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And at that point,
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I really hadn't applied for anything else.
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So I was just kind of being a bum,
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working at Target,
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hanging out in Blacksburg with my friends.
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But yeah, through that,
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God still remained faithful.
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I applied for this AmeriCorps position
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to come up here and work with Habitat.
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Came up in July.
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I think I emailed Greg or something like that.
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And we kind of met.
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I met a few other people around the church at that time.
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And then a few months later,
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when I was moving up here,
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I was called Greg.
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I was like, I don't have a place to stay.
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And luckily, Susan and Ivor had an extra room
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that they so graciously let me stay there
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until I found a place.
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So that's how I kind of got to New Haven,
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got involved with Habitat,
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got involved with Trinity.
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So kind of seeing like all these things
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kind of come together
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to bring me to where I'm at today.
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So I'm a construction manager.
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What is that?
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What do we do?
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This definition,
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organizing, scheduling, mobilizing,
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and directing equipment, materials,
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and personnel in performance
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of a construction contract.
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And that word contract
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is very big in construction.
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All things hinge upon that word
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and everything that exists in it.
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But that's a talk for another time.
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So what I'm doing on an everyday basis
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is organizing, scheduling,
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mobilizing, and directing.
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How those things play out, organizing.
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Do I have plans?
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Do I have permits?
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Do I have subs, materials?
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Do I have those things lined up for the project?
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Scheduling.
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What do I need to do?
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What do I need?
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Do I need?
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When do I need this tub?
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When do I need the electrician to show up?
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When do I need the plumber to show up?
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When do I need the roof on the house?
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Trying to coordinate all those things
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and get those together.
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Mobilizing the site
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is when is the portage on showing up?
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That's always the first question
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that everybody asks,
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especially my excavator,
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since he's the first one on site.
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Temporary power,
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getting all those things set up
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so the guys can work
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and not listen to the generator run all day.
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And directing,
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delegating tasks,
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coordinating volunteers,
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all those things
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that kind of go into my job.
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And I'll kind of elaborate
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on some of that
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as we kind of move along.
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So the thing,
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I guess,
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the main thing with construction
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is we're just trying to,
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construction management,
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we're trying to make the project
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run smoothly from start to finish.
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In our world,
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we call that mitigating risks,
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trying to think of everything
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that can go wrong
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and mitigate those things
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so the project can go smoothly.
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And then that kind of next slide
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with Bob the Builder
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in the middle there in that house,
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that's kind of a representation
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of kind of how my mind works.
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Like I have to take
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all these hundreds of tasks
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and materials and things
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and I have to boil that down
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into one cohesive project
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in the end.
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which takes quite a bit of work.
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I think on an average project,
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I probably manage
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about 3,000 man hours
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worth of work.
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And we probably have
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anywhere from probably
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50 to 80 volunteers
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out a week
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on a regular basis.
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Some of the bigger days,
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I've had 18 or 20 people out.
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So it's quite a job some days.
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So what is construction?
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There's many different avenues
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that I can fall into.
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It could be transportation,
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petroleum, buildings,
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power plants,
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water management,
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manufacturing,
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sewer and waste,
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telecom.
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All these things
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are different parts
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of construction
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and where you can fall
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as a construction manager.
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construction in America
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employs about
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10 million people.
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There's a lot of different sectors.
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There's a lot of different
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places you can fall
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and as construction managers,
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we make up about
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6% of that fill.
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And as a habitat
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construction manager,
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there's maybe
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five or six of us
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in the whole state.
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So the group of people
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that do what I do
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gets even smaller
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as you kind of
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dig deeper into it.
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And non-profits,
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coming across a lot of people,
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a lot of people have
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a lot of different ideas
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of what non-profits do
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or what non-profits
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look like.
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I'll put a definition
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there for you.
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Pretty much,
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non-profits,
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they're dedicated
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to a mission.
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All the revenue
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and all the money
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comes in,
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we usually try
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and push out
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into the programs
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or the missions
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that we're aiming towards.
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So trying to keep
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staff overhead low,
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trying to keep
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all that other
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miscellaneous stuff low
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so we can put
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all the money
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that people are donating
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towards these programs,
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into these programs,
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so that we're
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supporting that
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mission and vision.
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And the fact
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that I've learned
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through kind of
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doing some research
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on this,
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non-profits
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employ 11 million people,
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which is higher
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than construction
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these days,
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which I found surprising.
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And Habitat,
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the specific non-profit
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that I work for,
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we're an international
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organization
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in over 70 countries
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and there's 400 affiliates
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around the United States,
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each focusing
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on its own
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geographical area.
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and that's mainly
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to kind of get
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the people
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in that community,
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the businesses
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in that community
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to feel like
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they're investing
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in their community.
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So we have
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several sponsor groups,
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one called Sleeping Giant,
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which is businesses,
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churches,
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and individuals
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from the Cheshire,
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North Haven,
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Hamden area
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that raise
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$50,000,
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$50,000 or $60,000
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for us per house.
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There's another one
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on the shoreline
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called Raise the Roof.
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They raise around
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the same amount
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and that's Madison,
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Branford,
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and all those towns
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out that way.
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They kind of come together
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to support
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and raise a house
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and I guess
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raise money
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for the house.
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And we also have
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some bigger sponsors
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as well
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like Yoling Haven Hospital
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who donates property.
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They donate $75,000
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per house
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and we've had
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a pretty good run
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with them
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as being one
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of our sponsors.
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And since Habitat
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was formed
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in 1976,
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we've served
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around 13 million people
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and not all that
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is home building.
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There's other programs
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that Habitat does
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to get behind people
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and get behind
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having people
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have decent housing
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through microfinancing
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in certain countries
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and haven't really
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dug much into that.
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I'm not sure
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how that looks
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but helping people
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with financing,
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financial education.
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We do disaster response,
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neighborhood revitalization
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which involves
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small projects
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and fixer uppers
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at different people's houses,
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a brush with kindness program
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where they were
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painting people's houses
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from time to time
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and all these things
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are kind of catered
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to the community
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where that Habitat chapter is.
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So they're specifically
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like pinpointing
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the needs of that community
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and going about
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learning how to serve those.
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So Habitat in New Haven.
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We haven't done
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any microfinancing
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or neighborhood revitalization.
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We stick to purely home building.
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Over the past decade
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most of our construction
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has been new construction.
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A couple rehabs in there
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but we've been buying
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vacant lots from the city
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at a pretty good price
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and building new homes
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from the ground up.
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been around since 1986.
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Over 100 homes.
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Like I said before,
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50 to 80 volunteers a week
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and this year
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we're on track
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to do about four homes
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because we do
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a rehab in there
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of an 1830s captain's house
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that we had to do
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some extensive work on
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which only has
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three foundation walls
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right now.
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But yeah,
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we're getting there
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on that one.
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So our motto is
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a hand up
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not a handout.
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We look to partner.
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Our main goal
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is to partner
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with these families
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not to just build
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a house for them
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but to partner with them.
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So we do that
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through the 400 hours
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worth of sweat equity
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that they do.
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They come out,
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they work on projects
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on houses leading up
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to theirs
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and on their house.
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So they're like
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connecting with the
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other homeowners
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and other volunteers
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and you're kind of
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building all these
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relationships
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through that process
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and kind of seeing
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them kind of grow
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and their construction
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knowledge
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and they're kind of
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out there framing
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their house,
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they're tiling their
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floors,
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they're painting the walls,
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they're kind of doing
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all these things
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along the process
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as well.
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And they also have
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a mortgage.
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It's zero interest
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over 25 years
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so it's a pretty
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good mortgage
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I'd say.
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And all that money
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from that mortgage
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kind of goes back
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into the program
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and building more
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homes as well.
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Any questions
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at this point?
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How much does
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the average house
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cost?
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Our average house
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is about $95,000.
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And that's a
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three bedroom?
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Three bedroom,
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bath and a half,
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full basement.
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Yeah.
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Anybody else?
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So after that
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overview of
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kind of what
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construction management
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is and
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what it
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looks like
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for Habitat
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here in New Haven,
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I'll just
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come back to
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this section
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from Tim Keller.
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thinking about
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what does it
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mean to
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be competent
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in your work?
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What does it
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mean to
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work well
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and to
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serve others?
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So
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I'll read
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this section
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one more time.
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It says,
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One of the main
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ways you love
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others in your
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work
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is through
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the ministry
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of competence.
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If God's
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purpose for your
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job is to
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serve the human
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community,
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then the way
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to serve God
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best is to
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do the job
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well as it
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can be done.
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And
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thinking about
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examples of
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that,
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we have a lot
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of figures
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in the Bible
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of people
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who served
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and worked
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well.
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And I
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think we
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tend to put
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them on
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pedestals and
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kind of
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idolize that.
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But these
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were real
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people doing
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real work.
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people
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and the
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first example
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that came
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to mind
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when I
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thought about
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that was
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Joseph.
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So we'll
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go to
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Genesis
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41.
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So in
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Genesis 41,
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this is where
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Joseph interprets
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Pharaoh's
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dream.
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He tells
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him about
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the years
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of plenty
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and the
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years of
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famine.
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And then
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Pharaoh kind
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of sets
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them up to
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kind of
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handle all
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of this.
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So if I
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could get
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maybe a
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couple people
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to read
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this.
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We'll read
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verses 41
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through the
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end of the
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chapter.
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Somebody maybe
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wants to start
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reading and
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kind of
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somebody else
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picks up
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after that.
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Somebody can
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read the
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whole thing.
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I can start.
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Cool.
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Let's
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read all
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of it.
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Cool.
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41.
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And Pharaoh
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said to
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Joseph,
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See, I
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have set
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you over
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all the
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land of
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Egypt.
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And Pharaoh
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took his
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signet ring
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from his
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hand and
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put it on
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Joseph's
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hand.
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And put a
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gold chain
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up.
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They made
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him ride
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in his
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second chariot.
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And they
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called out
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for him,
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bowed
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to knee.
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Thus he
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set him
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over all
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the land of
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Egypt.
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Moreover,
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Pharaoh
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said to
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Joseph,
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I am
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Pharaoh,
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and without
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your
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consent,
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no one
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shall
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lift up
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hand or
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put it
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all the
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land of
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Egypt.
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And Pharaoh
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called
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Joseph's
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name
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Zephaniah.
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And he
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gave him
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in marriage
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a son,
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the daughter
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of
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a priest
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of
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mom.
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So
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Joseph
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went out
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over all
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the land
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of Egypt.
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Joseph
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was 30
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years old
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when he
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entered the
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service of
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Pharaoh,
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king of
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Egypt.
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And Joseph
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went out
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from the
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presence of
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Pharaoh and
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went through
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all the
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land of
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Egypt.
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During the
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seven plentiful
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years,
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the earth
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produced
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abundantly.
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And he
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gathered up
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all the
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food of
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the three
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seven years
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which
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turned in
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Egypt and
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put the
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fruit in
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the cities.
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He put in
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every city
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the fruit
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and the
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fruit of
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the
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mountains.
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And Joseph
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stored up
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grain in
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great abundance
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like the sand
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of the sea
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until he ceased
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to measure it
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for it could
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not be
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measured.
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Before the
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year of famine
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came,
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two sons
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were born
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to Joseph.
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Asaneth,
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the daughter
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of Potipha,
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priest of
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An,
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bore them
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to him.
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Joseph called
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the name of
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the firstborn
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Manasseh.
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For even
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poor, he
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said,
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God has made
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me forget all
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my hardship
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in all my
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father's house.
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The name of the
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second he called
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Ephraim.
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God has made me
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fruitful in the
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land of my
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affliction.
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The seven
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years of
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plenty that
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occurred in
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the land of
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Egypt came
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to an end.
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And the
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seven years
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of famine
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began to
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come.
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As Joseph
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had said,
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there was
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famine in
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all lands.
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In all the
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land of
-
Egypt,
-
there was
-
bread.
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When all
-
the land
-
of Egypt
-
was famished,
-
the people
-
cried to
-
Pharaoh for
-
bread.
-
Pharaoh said
-
to all the
-
Egyptians,
-
go to
-
Joseph.
-
What he
-
says to
-
you,
-
do.
-
So when
-
the famine
-
had spread
-
over all
-
the land,
-
Joseph
-
opened up
-
all the
-
storehouses
-
and sold
-
the Egyptians.
-
For the
-
famine was
-
severe in
-
the land
-
of Egypt.
-
Moreover,
-
all the
-
earth came
-
to
-
Joseph
-
to
-
buy
-
rain,
-
because
-
the
-
famine
-
was
-
severe
-
over
-
all
-
of
-
Egypt.
-
So here,
-
what do we
-
see as
-
Joseph's
-
work?
-
He's an
-
administrator,
-
basically,
-
right?
-
I guess
-
today you
-
call him
-
bureaucrat.
-
In some
-
sense,
-
yeah.
-
He's like
-
measuring
-
grain,
-
but he
-
couldn't do
-
it anymore.
-
Storing it
-
competently.
-
Yeah.
-
Making
-
the spoil.
-
manager.
-
Yeah,
-
he was a
-
bit of a
-
project
-
manager here.
-
He has a
-
lot of
-
authority,
-
but he
-
has a lot
-
of
-
responsibility.
-
Yeah.
-
Yeah,
-
so as
-
we look
-
at this,
-
as we
-
see,
-
like,
-
Joseph
-
interpreting
-
Pharaoh's
-
dream,
-
like,
-
that was
-
only part
-
of the
-
work that
-
God sent
-
him there
-
to do.
-
And as
-
we see
-
him after
-
that,
-
like,
-
he gets
-
all that
-
responsibility.
-
He has
-
to administrate
-
and manage
-
all these
-
things.
-
We see
-
him,
-
he has
-
to organize,
-
he has
-
to schedule,
-
he has
-
to mobilize,
-
he has
-
to direct,
-
he has
-
to do
-
all these
-
things to
-
make this
-
happen.
-
Like,
-
he's,
-
it says
-
like several
-
times here,
-
he's like
-
over all
-
Israel.
-
So,
-
so not
-
only did
-
God send
-
him there
-
and put him
-
before Pharaoh
-
for this
-
dream,
-
but for
-
the people
-
as well.
-
Because when
-
he comes
-
to that
-
verse
-
55,
-
when all
-
of Egypt
-
was
-
famished,
-
the people
-
cried to
-
Pharaoh for
-
bread,
-
and Pharaoh
-
said to
-
all of
-
Egypt,
-
go to
-
Joseph,
-
what he
-
says to
-
you,
-
do.
-
So we
-
see here,
-
and Tim
-
Keller says
-
in this
-
section about
-
competence,
-
it's a form
-
of love.
-
Joseph had
-
to love
-
his people,
-
love the
-
people of
-
Egypt enough
-
to think
-
about their
-
well-being,
-
not only
-
in the
-
years of
-
plenty,
-
where they
-
could have
-
ate up
-
all the
-
grain they
-
had,
-
they could
-
have
-
neglected
-
storing as
-
much as
-
they needed,
-
but through
-
that,
-
through his
-
competent
-
work,
-
he was
-
able to
-
save for
-
them for
-
these next
-
seven years
-
that are
-
going to be
-
very hard,
-
and we
-
see here
-
at the
-
end of
-
that,
-
because the
-
famine was
-
severe over
-
all the
-
earth,
-
all these
-
people started
-
coming,
-
and all
-
these people
-
were taken
-
care of,
-
because Joseph,
-
he was
-
competent in
-
the work he
-
did.
-
It was
-
more,
-
and in
-
the book,
-
in this
-
section,
-
there's
-
this example
-
of this
-
pilot who
-
has to
-
land this
-
badly
-
damaged
-
plane,
-
and in
-
that we
-
can really
-
kind of
-
grasp,
-
like,
-
oh,
-
he needs
-
to be
-
confident,
-
he needs
-
to think
-
about these
-
things to
-
land this
-
plane,
-
and to
-
make sure
-
these people
-
get down
-
safely,
-
that's like
-
this
-
immediate
-
impending
-
doom,
-
but we
-
see Joseph
-
as more
-
of a
-
longer view
-
of things,
-
14 years
-
of him
-
having to
-
plan and
-
care for
-
and think
-
about the
-
needs of
-
the people
-
around here.
-
So with
-
that,
-
as I think
-
about how
-
that applies
-
to me,
-
how am I
-
competent at
-
my job,
-
how am I
-
displaying this
-
ministry of
-
competence,
-
how am I
-
being faithful
-
in the
-
small things
-
of my
-
work,
-
and how
-
am I
-
doing those
-
things on
-
a larger
-
scale as
-
well to
-
make sure
-
and ensure
-
that we're
-
building the
-
best home
-
that we
-
can,
-
we're
-
serving our
-
families
-
in the
-
best way
-
that we
-
can.
-
And one
-
of those
-
comes through
-
our mission
-
statement,
-
decent and
-
affordable
-
housing,
-
making sure
-
our housings
-
are sized
-
properly for
-
our families,
-
like not
-
some big
-
monstrosity,
-
not something
-
too small
-
and cramped,
-
but this
-
three-bedroom
-
bathroom
-
half-house
-
seems to
-
have worked
-
for us
-
over this
-
past decade
-
or so,
-
and it's
-
allowed us
-
to house a
-
lot of
-
families.
-
Since I've
-
been there,
-
I've built
-
over 20
-
or 30
-
homes in
-
the last
-
seven or
-
so years.
-
to think
-
about the
-
type of
-
materials
-
that we
-
use in
-
our home
-
and thinking
-
about our
-
homeowners
-
and how
-
will they
-
maintain
-
those things,
-
how will
-
they be
-
able to
-
take care
-
of their
-
homes.
-
A lot
-
of our
-
homeowners
-
who qualify
-
for the
-
program,
-
their income
-
is 50
-
to 80
-
percent of
-
the area
-
meeting
-
income,
-
so they're
-
not at the
-
top of the
-
income
-
spectrum,
-
but they're
-
not at the
-
lowest level
-
either.
-
They're
-
usually in a
-
point where
-
they need
-
some help
-
afford
-
a home
-
and that's
-
where we
-
come in
-
with this
-
zero
-
interest
-
mortgage.
-
Also,
-
our
-
volunteers
-
plan it
-
as well.
-
All the
-
free labor
-
that we
-
get goes
-
into keeping
-
those homes
-
down and
-
allows us
-
to build
-
in places
-
around New
-
Haven where
-
a for-profit
-
builder would
-
lose their
-
shirt on
-
a lot of
-
these houses
-
and redeveloping
-
a lot of
-
these vacant
-
lots that
-
have been
-
around New
-
Haven.
-
We also
-
do that
-
through
-
energy
-
efficiency.
-
When I
-
came on
-
we were
-
doing a
-
bit of
-
that,
-
but over
-
the past
-
few years
-
we've been
-
able to
-
beef up
-
our energy
-
efficiency,
-
apply for
-
our Energy
-
Star
-
certification,
-
so giving
-
our homeowners
-
a home that
-
they can afford
-
utility-wise as
-
well.
-
We had one
-
homeowner,
-
I want to
-
say this
-
was four
-
years ago,
-
during the
-
winter,
-
one winter
-
he was
-
paying $800
-
a month in
-
utilities,
-
which he
-
was living
-
in some
-
apartment that
-
was very
-
drafty,
-
terrible
-
landlord,
-
ridiculous rent
-
as well,
-
that's where
-
all their
-
money was
-
going.
-
So once
-
he moved
-
into his
-
home,
-
we got
-
that down
-
to under
-
$200 or
-
so,
-
it was him
-
and his
-
wife,
-
and three
-
kids,
-
and since
-
then he's
-
been able
-
to take
-
some of
-
that money
-
that he's
-
been saving,
-
he's been
-
sending things
-
back to his
-
home country.
-
He's either
-
from Sierra
-
Leone or
-
the Ivory
-
Coast,
-
he's a part
-
of a group
-
that came
-
over the
-
early 90s,
-
around that
-
time,
-
so think
-
like blood
-
diamonds and
-
all that
-
stuff,
-
so him
-
and a
-
few of
-
his friends
-
have been
-
able to
-
get into
-
habitat
-
homes,
-
and we
-
have been
-
able to
-
serve them
-
in that
-
way,
-
and that's
-
allowed them
-
to serve
-
their family
-
and friends
-
that they've
-
left back
-
home as
-
well.
-
And kind
-
of talked
-
about site
-
selection,
-
like where
-
we build.
-
We have
-
homeowners who
-
come from
-
some of
-
these
-
neighborhoods,
-
they have
-
family in
-
these
-
neighborhoods,
-
and they
-
want to
-
kind of stay
-
there and
-
build there
-
and continue
-
to live
-
there,
-
so I'm
-
thinking about
-
that through
-
the way we
-
select our
-
sites and
-
where we
-
build and
-
how many
-
houses we're
-
able to
-
build in
-
the area.
-
There's one
-
neighborhood where
-
we built
-
eight houses
-
on one
-
street,
-
so it
-
kind of
-
helped turn
-
those things
-
around,
-
having those
-
homeowners there
-
who are
-
invested in
-
their homes
-
and able to
-
kind of relate
-
to one
-
another,
-
keep their
-
yards clean,
-
and that
-
kind of reflects
-
on the other
-
neighbors as
-
well.
-
when we
-
move into
-
the neighborhood
-
you see
-
them kind
-
of painting
-
their houses
-
or planting
-
flowers in
-
the front
-
yard because
-
they see
-
this nice
-
house next
-
to them and
-
they don't
-
want to be
-
outdone.
-
What I
-
referred to
-
earlier,
-
the piece
-
about resilient
-
building in
-
those houses
-
after Hurricane
-
Michael,
-
we were able
-
to kind of
-
get in on a
-
pallet program
-
with this
-
about three
-
years ago
-
with the
-
Institute for
-
Business and
-
Home Safety
-
and Travelers
-
Insurance to
-
build these,
-
I guess this
-
program is
-
called Fortify
-
to build
-
homes that
-
are like
-
high wind and
-
hurricane
-
resistant.
-
So learning
-
from that
-
program and
-
kind of taking
-
some of those
-
techniques and
-
putting them
-
in our home
-
and kind of
-
help them to
-
resist these
-
storms and
-
weather conditions
-
a lot better
-
and add that
-
value for our
-
home,
-
knowing they're
-
going to have
-
a home that
-
lasts as
-
well.
-
Question back
-
there?
-
Yeah,
-
I was going to
-
say you
-
talk about
-
making the
-
neighborhood
-
homes,
-
I've done
-
construction
-
on the
-
family.
-
We had a
-
vinyl siding,
-
a window
-
door,
-
and gutters,
-
and roof
-
roof business.
-
We noticed
-
every time we
-
went to a
-
nice table
-
room,
-
we'd do a
-
house.
-
These three
-
or four
-
other people
-
come to us
-
and do
-
a house,
-
and that's
-
where we
-
got a lot
-
of our
-
work.
-
So doing
-
like that,
-
I remember
-
doing five
-
houses in
-
a row
-
off the
-
neighborhood,
-
you know,
-
when they
-
do good.
-
But you're
-
right about
-
that,
-
because people
-
start working,
-
someone puts
-
on the side
-
it's a
-
facial,
-
beautiful house
-
now,
-
and now
-
the neighbors
-
see that,
-
and they
-
start going
-
fixing something,
-
but we used
-
to laugh about
-
them,
-
and we were
-
like,
-
watch,
-
and that
-
used to
-
happen all
-
the time,
-
when things
-
were good,
-
in the early
-
80s.
-
Yeah,
-
I know.
-
Yeah,
-
so you
-
kind of,
-
yeah,
-
like one
-
new house
-
in the
-
neighborhood
-
could change
-
the whole
-
neighborhood.
-
Yeah.
-
Yeah,
-
yeah,
-
so,
-
kind of
-
thinking about
-
these ways
-
in which
-
that,
-
as a
-
construction
-
manager
-
and kind
-
of
-
leading
-
this
-
process,
-
I can
-
kind of
-
affect
-
the
-
direction
-
that we're
-
going,
-
and the
-
way that we
-
do this,
-
kind of
-
feeling like
-
Joseph as
-
well,
-
like I have
-
the ability
-
to kind
-
of steward
-
this,
-
and shepherd
-
this,
-
and care
-
for people,
-
not just
-
kind of
-
getting them
-
into the
-
home,
-
but trying
-
to think
-
about them
-
over the
-
life of
-
the home.
-
Well,
-
we have
-
an amazing
-
selection
-
committee,
-
it's made
-
up of
-
volunteers
-
as well,
-
so,
-
when we
-
have
-
property
-
that we
-
have
-
coming up,
-
we usually
-
have an
-
application
-
meeting,
-
the last
-
one,
-
it wasn't,
-
I think it
-
was last
-
summer or
-
spring,
-
there was
-
about 150
-
people that
-
came out to
-
that meeting,
-
80 or so
-
submitted
-
applications,
-
they narrowed
-
that down
-
to 18,
-
and they
-
selected seven
-
families out
-
of that group,
-
so they're
-
checking like
-
credit history,
-
work history,
-
like these
-
families,
-
like community
-
involvement,
-
and all those
-
things as
-
well,
-
they're trying
-
to make
-
sure that
-
they're in
-
a place
-
to actually
-
afford the
-
home and
-
afford the
-
mortgage,
-
as well as
-
be a positive
-
impact on
-
their community.
-
We had one
-
lady who,
-
she was an
-
older lady,
-
she was single,
-
and her goal
-
was to foster
-
kids,
-
so once she
-
moved in,
-
she was able
-
to foster a
-
few kids
-
while she
-
was living
-
there as
-
well,
-
but yeah,
-
it's a pretty
-
extensive process
-
that they go
-
through,
-
there's a first
-
application,
-
a second
-
application,
-
and then as
-
a part of
-
the application
-
process,
-
they come
-
out and
-
volunteer for
-
400 hours as
-
well.
-
I mean,
-
14 hours with
-
the application,
-
then they do
-
their 400
-
hours.
-
Are they
-
free to sell
-
their home
-
at some
-
point?
-
The equity
-
works out
-
up to a
-
certain point,
-
like some
-
of the equity
-
comes back
-
to Habitat
-
up until
-
whatever year
-
that's kind
-
of dictated
-
in their
-
closing documents,
-
but after
-
that,
-
they're kind
-
of free
-
and clear
-
too.
-
do a
-
state,
-
please.
-
Any other
-
questions?
-
All right,
-
thanks,
-
guys.
-
Thank you.
-
Thank you.
-
Thank you.