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Humanity and Eternity

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  1. Heavenly Father,

  2. we know that no eye has seen,

  3. no ear has heard

  4. what you have planned

  5. for those who love you

  6. and yet you've given us

  7. such a rich treasure trove

  8. of information

  9. and just an access to your will

  10. through your word.

  11. We pray that you'd give us

  12. humble hearts to accept

  13. the things that are said in here,

  14. that you just open our eyes

  15. so that we could behold

  16. wondrous things from your word, Lord.

  17. We pray all this in Jesus' name.

  18. Amen.

  19. So like I said,

  20. the topic today is human destiny

  21. and I just thought I'd open

  22. with a very famous quote.

  23. So according to the

  24. Westminster Shorter Catechism,

  25. the first question, in fact,

  26. it begins with,

  27. what is the chief end of man?

  28. And the answer that they give

  29. is that the chief end of man

  30. is to glorify God

  31. and to enjoy him forever.

  32. Now, this speaks of the purpose

  33. for which mankind was created.

  34. And that denotes kind of the importance

  35. of the progress of the study here, right?

  36. So we talked about the synthetic nature

  37. of systematic theology.

  38. We have to talk about creation,

  39. sin, Christ, and redemption

  40. in order to understand our broader topic,

  41. which is the image of God in mankind.

  42. And now we're going to be treating

  43. of glorification

  44. and communion with God.

  45. Now, just a reminder,

  46. our broader thesis has been

  47. that humanity was created

  48. actually in God's image

  49. as God's very image itself.

  50. That is, it pertains to the whole person,

  51. both soul and body.

  52. You know, remember from Genesis 2-7

  53. that Adam was formed from the ground

  54. and then God breathed into him

  55. the breath of life.

  56. That's all-inclusive.

  57. It's holistic.

  58. And that means it includes

  59. every moral, relational, corporate,

  60. spiritual, somatic,

  61. as well as intellectual faculty.

  62. And that we also talked about

  63. last week a bit more

  64. how that means sin

  65. is also totally pervasive.

  66. And it's affected the entire human race.

  67. That we're, as it were, born sinners.

  68. We talked about that a little bit

  69. from Romans 5, 12-21.

  70. Sin entered in and despoiled

  71. the creation's relationship with God.

  72. In fact, you'll recall

  73. Genesis 3-8,

  74. remember God shows up in the garden

  75. walking to find Adam and Eve

  76. and have communion with them

  77. and what did they do?

  78. They hid.

  79. This violated that covenant

  80. that God had created with them

  81. in Genesis 2-16-17.

  82. And that meant that there needed

  83. to be a renewal of this image.

  84. A renewal that only Jesus Christ,

  85. who Colossians 1-15 says

  86. is the image of the invisible God,

  87. only he could affect.

  88. Thus, Christians by the Holy Spirit,

  89. according to Colossians 3-10,

  90. have put on the new self

  91. who is being renewed to a true knowledge

  92. according to the image

  93. of the one who created him.

  94. And that's a pledge that we have

  95. from Christ of restoration

  96. of both body and soul.

  97. In 1 Corinthians 15-49,

  98. it says,

  99. Just as we have borne the image

  100. of the earthy,

  101. we will also bear the image

  102. of the heavenly.

  103. Or Philippians 3, 20-21,

  104. For our citizenship is in heaven,

  105. from which we also eagerly await

  106. for a Savior,

  107. the Lord Jesus Christ,

  108. who will transform the body

  109. of our humble estate

  110. into conformity

  111. with the body of his earthly glory,

  112. by the exertion of the power

  113. that he has even to subject

  114. all things to himself.

  115. Now, this leaves us

  116. with the subject

  117. of the future state of humanity.

  118. And at this point,

  119. our study diverges

  120. between two paths.

  121. You'll recall last week

  122. we quoted Romans 6-23.

  123. It says,

  124. For the wages of sin is death,

  125. but the free gift of God

  126. is eternal life

  127. in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  128. And that's going to form

  129. a broad outline

  130. of our entire study

  131. for this morning.

  132. We're going to,

  133. on the one hand,

  134. talk about death

  135. and what it means

  136. to be dead,

  137. both in every possible

  138. and conceivable category,

  139. theologically speaking.

  140. And then we're going

  141. to be talking about life,

  142. on the other hand,

  143. and what true,

  144. eternal life means.

  145. But, of course,

  146. both of those have to do

  147. with one destiny,

  148. one human destiny,

  149. which is to glorify God.

  150. Romans 11-36

  151. says,

  152. For from him

  153. and through him

  154. and to him

  155. are all things to him

  156. be the glory

  157. forever and ever.

  158. Amen.

  159. The only question is,

  160. how?

  161. And once again,

  162. this takes us back

  163. to the garden.

  164. In Genesis 2-16-17,

  165. that covenant

  166. I mentioned earlier,

  167. it says,

  168. The Lord God

  169. commanded the man,

  170. saying,

  171. From any tree of the garden

  172. you may freely eat,

  173. but from the tree

  174. of the knowledge

  175. of good and evil

  176. you shall not eat,

  177. for in the day

  178. that you eat from it

  179. you will surely die.

  180. And you'll recall

  181. that we talked,

  182. that spoke of Adam

  183. as our representative.

  184. He did eat,

  185. and in fact,

  186. even though it didn't

  187. look like it,

  188. he did die.

  189. And that brings up

  190. the question,

  191. what is death?

  192. Death can be defined,

  193. biblically speaking,

  194. as a separation

  195. of something

  196. that has been

  197. constituted by God

  198. to be held in unity.

  199. And this is written

  200. about going quite a bit

  201. back into church history

  202. by Augustine,

  203. and before him

  204. a church father

  205. named Lactantius.

  206. And they talked about

  207. these different categories

  208. of death.

  209. And this particular category

  210. is spiritual death.

  211. This is a spiritual death

  212. that Adam separates

  213. immediately upon sin.

  214. As a separation

  215. of the soul from God.

  216. Genesis 3.8

  217. said that

  218. they heard the sound

  219. of the Lord God

  220. walking in the garden

  221. in the cool of the day.

  222. And the man and his wife

  223. hid himself

  224. from the presence

  225. of the Lord God

  226. among the trees

  227. of the garden.

  228. That was a break

  229. in the spiritual relationship.

  230. You know,

  231. the word there,

  232. to walk,

  233. that implies actually

  234. more of a presence

  235. and a communion

  236. with God

  237. that was broken

  238. when they hid from him.

  239. as 1 Corinthians 15.22

  240. says,

  241. in Adam

  242. all die.

  243. And note

  244. that that's

  245. not just

  246. a spiritual death,

  247. but that that

  248. has also

  249. affected

  250. a physical death.

  251. The curse

  252. of Genesis 3.19

  253. says,

  254. by the sweat

  255. of your face

  256. you will eat bread

  257. till you return

  258. to the ground

  259. because from it

  260. you were taken.

  261. For you are dust

  262. and to dust

  263. you shall return.

  264. Note that

  265. of course

  266. God should have

  267. killed them

  268. physically,

  269. spiritually,

  270. and as we're going

  271. to see eternally

  272. at that very moment.

  273. This is judicial

  274. language here.

  275. And he had

  276. a legal right

  277. as the supreme judge

  278. to kill them.

  279. However,

  280. he also had

  281. within the right

  282. of the judge

  283. what's called

  284. a temporal judicial

  285. relaxation.

  286. He had the right

  287. to relax the law

  288. to effect

  289. a greater purpose.

  290. Of course,

  291. the law was going

  292. to be fulfilled

  293. and this is pointed

  294. ahead to

  295. by this

  296. animal skin

  297. sacrifice

  298. as we see

  299. in Genesis 3.21

  300. where God kills

  301. the animal

  302. to clothe Adam

  303. and Eve.

  304. And that speaks

  305. of the greater

  306. purpose that God

  307. had in view.

  308. A promised provision

  309. in the seat

  310. of the woman

  311. from Genesis

  312. that he promised

  313. in Genesis 3.15.

  314. As Romans 5.12

  315. said,

  316. however,

  317. death spread

  318. to all men

  319. because all

  320. sinned

  321. in Adam's

  322. one transgression.

  323. And that's

  324. demonstrable

  325. in that litany

  326. of repetition

  327. in Genesis 5

  328. that says

  329. and he died

  330. and he died

  331. and he died

  332. in that genealogy.

  333. That speaks

  334. of the separation

  335. of the body

  336. from the soul.

  337. And that's

  338. most empirically

  339. demonstrable fact.

  340. All human beings

  341. die.

  342. Therefore,

  343. we're all sinners.

  344. By the way,

  345. this eminence

  346. to the body

  347. and the idea

  348. that the body

  349. itself is a part

  350. of the image

  351. of God

  352. that's affected

  353. by sin,

  354. affected by death,

  355. that's why

  356. we give eminence

  357. as Christians

  358. to the human body

  359. after death.

  360. Augustine,

  361. Calvin,

  362. Bavink,

  363. and lately

  364. Al Mohler

  365. actually have all

  366. talked about this.

  367. Al Mohler in particular

  368. in relation

  369. to this idea

  370. of the incineration

  371. of the body

  372. of the king

  373. of Thailand

  374. it was a couple

  375. weeks ago

  376. to free his soul

  377. from his body.

  378. He noted the difference

  379. between that worldview

  380. and the Christian worldview,

  381. noting the peculiarity

  382. of the dignity

  383. given to the human body

  384. after death.

  385. It's still in God's image

  386. and that's why

  387. Christian tradition

  388. has treated the body

  389. with a dignity

  390. after death.

  391. Note also

  392. Ecclesiastes 12.7

  393. it says this,

  394. Then the dust

  395. will return

  396. to the earth

  397. as it was

  398. and the spirit

  399. will return

  400. to the God

  401. who gave it.

  402. And that speaks

  403. more so

  404. of the presence

  405. of the soul

  406. in the afterlife

  407. either in torture

  408. in hell

  409. or life in heaven

  410. which we'll talk about.

  411. But that brings up

  412. the subject

  413. of the intermediary state.

  414. Luke 16.19-31

  415. as well as

  416. 1 Corinthians 5.1-8

  417. talk about

  418. the fact

  419. that the soul

  420. continues to exist

  421. in the afterlife

  422. in one of these states

  423. or another.

  424. In fact,

  425. it seems to even bear

  426. some sort of

  427. body-like form

  428. and that gets back

  429. to the idea

  430. of the essential nature

  431. of the body.

  432. You'll recall

  433. in Matthew 17.3

  434. as well as

  435. depictions of the future

  436. in Revelation 6.9-11

  437. that there seem

  438. to be humans

  439. walking around

  440. with some

  441. recognizable

  442. physical form.

  443. We don't exactly

  444. know what that's

  445. going to look like.

  446. It seems to be

  447. a kind of

  448. temporary

  449. provisional body

  450. that's been given

  451. to us

  452. that isn't the same

  453. as our bodies

  454. here on earth.

  455. But after our bodies

  456. have been separated

  457. from our souls

  458. after our death,

  459. it seems as though

  460. we're going to be able

  461. to interact

  462. with the environment

  463. in some sort of

  464. way like this

  465. and that we'll be

  466. in a way

  467. like the angels

  468. and how they're able

  469. to take on

  470. some sort of

  471. corporeal manifestation

  472. that's accidental.

  473. It's only temporary.

  474. Either way,

  475. it's unavoidable

  476. that we're going to

  477. at some point

  478. face death

  479. physically

  480. as well as eternally.

  481. Hebrews 10.21

  482. says,

  483. it is appointed

  484. for men to die once

  485. then comes judgment.

  486. That brings up

  487. that third

  488. and final category

  489. of death

  490. which is eternal death

  491. or it's also known

  492. as the second death

  493. which brings us

  494. straight to the

  495. great white throne judgment.

  496. So turn with me

  497. to Revelation

  498. Revelation 20.

  499. I'm going to be reading

  500. Revelation 20

    Revelation 20:11–15

  501. verses 11 to 15.

  502. Then I saw

  503. a great white throne

  504. and him who sat

  505. on it

  506. from his presence

  507. earth and heaven

  508. fled away

  509. and no place

  510. was found for them.

  511. And I saw the dead

  512. the great

  513. and the small

  514. standing before

  515. the throne

  516. and books were open

  517. and another book

  518. was open

  519. which is the book

  520. of life

  521. and the dead

  522. were judged

  523. from the things

  524. which were written

  525. in the books

  526. according to their deeds

  527. and the sea

  528. gave up the dead

  529. which were in it

  530. and death

  531. and Hades

  532. gave up the dead

  533. which were in them

  534. and they were judged

  535. every one of them

  536. according to their deeds.

  537. Then death

  538. and Hades

  539. were thrown

  540. into the lake

  541. of fire.

  542. This is the second death

  543. the lake of fire

  544. and if anyone's name

  545. was not found

  546. written in the book

  547. of life

  548. he was thrown

  549. into the lake

  550. of fire.

  551. Now note here

  552. in this text

  553. which of course

  554. we can't get into

  555. in great detail

  556. but it's speaking

  557. of the resurrection

  558. not only of believers

  559. which is I think

  560. what we generally

  561. think about

  562. but also

  563. non-believers as well

  564. of everyone

  565. everyone in humanity

  566. as a psychosomatic

  567. a unity

  568. made in the image

  569. of God.

  570. That is

  571. when it talks

  572. furthermore

  573. about death

  574. in this passage

  575. it's talking

  576. about the second death

  577. as a great separation

  578. not just of the soul

  579. from God

  580. but of both body

  581. and soul

  582. from God

  583. forever.

  584. 1 Thessalonians 1

  585. 9 says

  586. these will pay

  587. the penalty

  588. of eternal destruction

  589. away from the presence

  590. of the Lord

  591. and from the glory

  592. of his power.

  593. And there's a

  594. chilling reality here

  595. in the

  596. what's called

  597. damnation

  598. eternal damnation

  599. separation

  600. of body

  601. and soul

  602. from God

  603. it's speaking

  604. of the

  605. continuation

  606. of the image

  607. of God

  608. even in hell

  609. and that's important.

  610. Bruce DeMarist

  611. who's a famous

  612. theologian

  613. today

  614. contemporary

  615. says this

  616. hell represents

  617. sinners ultimate

  618. separation

  619. from the life

  620. of God.

  621. Hell's ultimate

  622. agony

  623. is that

  624. image bearers

  625. should have missed

  626. the lofty purpose

  627. for which they were created.

  628. in fact

  629. it's Francis

  630. Turretin

  631. who has this

  632. chilling quote

  633. they are said

  634. to live forever

  635. that they may

  636. die forever.

  637. It's a living

  638. death

  639. and

  640. in Romans

  641. 9 22

  642. in fact

  643. it says

  644. that

  645. in this state

  646. in the ultimate

  647. state here

  648. within God's

  649. destiny and purposes

  650. people are going

  651. to be augmented

  652. and fitted

  653. in their final

  654. bodily forms

  655. as vessels

  656. of wrath

  657. prepared

  658. for destruction.

  659. They're in a way

  660. glorifying God

  661. and receiving wrath

  662. which is a difficult

  663. theological truth

  664. and it's

  665. in fact

  666. a terrifying reality

  667. a fully sensible

  668. experience

  669. both body

  670. and soul

  671. Isaiah 66

  672. 24

  673. for their worm

  674. will not die

  675. and their fire

  676. will not be quenched

  677. and they will be

  678. in abhorrence

  679. to all mankind.

  680. In fact

  681. it was Lactantius

  682. who wrote about this

  683. and he says this

  684. quote

  685. because they have

  686. committed sins

  687. with their bodies

  688. they will again

  689. be clothed

  690. with flesh

  691. so that they may

  692. bear the sin

  693. suffering

  694. in their bodies.

  695. That speaks

  696. of a

  697. retributive justice

  698. of direct

  699. equity

  700. between

  701. what people

  702. have committed

  703. in this life

  704. as sins

  705. and

  706. the eternal

  707. punishment

  708. they're going

  709. to be perfectly

  710. fitted to receive

  711. in all eternity.

  712. In fact

  713. it was Augustine

  714. who talked about

  715. the agony

  716. of the soul

  717. and the body

  718. and this eternal

  719. kind of inability

  720. to function

  721. properly

  722. when reunited

  723. it's a disharmony

  724. that they can

  725. never ever

  726. get back

  727. that they'll

  728. always strive for

  729. and never make

  730. progress.

  731. Luke 16

  732. 23 says

  733. rich man

  734. in

  735. Hades

  736. it says this

  737. in Hades

  738. he lifted up

  739. his eyes

  740. being in

  741. torment

  742. and saw

  743. Abraham

  744. far away

  745. and Lazarus

  746. in his bosom

  747. and that speaks

  748. of the sight

  749. of the blessedness

  750. of the saints

  751. the idea

  752. that they can

  753. actually possibly

  754. even see

  755. into heaven

  756. see into

  757. the glories

  758. of heaven

  759. that they're

  760. missing out

  761. on

  762. but they'll

  763. have an

  764. eternal

  765. inability

  766. to reach

  767. it

  768. that is to

  769. say in

  770. summary

  771. this eternal

  772. state of the

  773. second death

  774. the eternal death

  775. speaks of

  776. the fact that

  777. we're going to

  778. be resurrected

  779. in body and

  780. soul

  781. those who

  782. are damned

  783. and they're

  784. going to have

  785. the image of

  786. God

  787. fitted perfectly

  788. to receive

  789. not communion

  790. with God

  791. but his wrath

  792. and eternal

  793. separation

  794. from him

  795. forever

  796. now

  797. that was

  798. the first

  799. point

  800. speaking of

  801. the three

  802. states of

  803. death

  804. spiritual

  805. death

  806. physical

  807. death

  808. and then

  809. eternal

  810. death

  811. and so

  812. we're going

  813. to turn

  814. to the

  815. second

  816. point

  817. which provides

  818. much more

  819. of a

  820. contrast

  821. which is

  822. eternal

  823. life

  824. in Christ

  825. eternal

  826. life

  827. in Christ

  828. and that

  829. speaks by

  830. the way

  831. of a

  832. quality

  833. not

  834. necessarily

  835. of duration

  836. John

  837. 17

  838. 3

  839. says this

  840. this is

  841. eternal

  842. life

  843. that they

  844. may know

  845. you

  846. the only

  847. true

  848. God

  849. and Jesus

  850. Christ

  851. whom you

  852. have sent

  853. or in the

  854. words of

  855. 1 Corinthians

  856. 15

  857. 49

  858. which we

  859. looked at

  860. last week

  861. will be

  862. bearing the

  863. image of

  864. the heavenly

  865. in fact

  866. later on

  867. in that

  868. passage

  869. it says

  870. in verse

  871. 52

  872. that in

  873. a moment

  874. in the

  875. twinkling

  876. of an

  877. eye

  878. at the

  879. last

  880. trumpet

  881. the trumpet

  882. will sound

  883. and the

  884. dead

  885. will be

  886. raised

  887. imperishable

  888. and we

  889. will be

  890. changed

  891. so there's

  892. a quality

  893. that's

  894. imparted

  895. there

  896. that is

  897. in that

  898. passage

  899. where it

  900. speaks of

  901. us being

  902. changed

  903. and we're

  904. going to

  905. be changed

  906. into conformity

  907. with Christ

  908. 1 John

  909. 3

  910. 2

  911. we will

  912. be like

  913. him

  914. for we

  915. shall

  916. see him

  917. as he

  918. is

  919. or again

  920. as I

  921. quoted

  922. earlier

  923. Philippians

  924. 3

  925. 20

  926. to 21

  927. for our

  928. citizenship

  929. is in

  930. heaven

  931. from which

  932. we also

  933. eagerly

  934. await for

  935. a savior

  936. the Lord

  937. Jesus

  938. Christ

  939. who will

  940. transform

  941. the body

  942. of our

  943. humble estate

  944. into conformity

  945. of the body

  946. of his glory

  947. by the exertion

  948. of his power

  949. that he has

  950. even to

  951. subject all

  952. things to

  953. himself

  954. so you know

  955. I think it's

  956. helpful sometimes

  957. to just stop

  958. and ask

  959. why does

  960. the Bible

  961. focus so

  962. much on

  963. the physical

  964. resurrected

  965. body of

  966. Christ

  967. according to

  968. Luke 22

  969. 39

  970. he's

  971. speaking to

  972. the disciples

  973. he says

  974. see my

  975. hands and

  976. feet

  977. that it

  978. is I

  979. myself

  980. touch me

  981. and see

  982. for a

  983. spirit does

  984. not have

  985. flesh and

  986. bones

  987. as you

  988. see that

  989. I

  990. have

  991. that is

  992. to say

  993. he's

  994. saying there

  995. that it's

  996. the very

  997. same

  998. body

  999. that he

  1000. died

  1001. in

  1002. when Calvin

  1003. speaks of

  1004. Christ's

  1005. resurrection

  1006. as the

  1007. pledge of

  1008. our coming

  1009. resurrection

  1010. in this

  1011. mirror the

  1012. living image

  1013. of resurrection

  1014. is visible

  1015. to us

  1016. that is to

  1017. say when we

  1018. see Jesus

  1019. Christ

  1020. when he's

  1021. walking around

  1022. with his

  1023. body and

  1024. he's saying

  1025. I have

  1026. those piercings

  1027. through my

  1028. body

  1029. that that's

  1030. a vouchsafe

  1031. for the

  1032. very bodies

  1033. that you're

  1034. going to

  1035. have in

  1036. resurrection

  1037. and that

  1038. you can

  1039. have confidence

  1040. that as

  1041. Job says

  1042. that I

  1043. will see

  1044. God with

  1045. my eyes

  1046. and not

  1047. another

  1048. Job 19

  1049. 27

  1050. these are

  1051. newly

  1052. resurrected

  1053. bodies

  1054. they're pure

  1055. without

  1056. corruption

  1057. of sin

  1058. that's why

  1059. the passage

  1060. we read

  1061. earlier refers

  1062. to them as

  1063. heavenly

  1064. or spiritual

  1065. and here

  1066. I have to

  1067. commend the

  1068. work of

  1069. Francis

  1070. Turids

  1071. who I

  1072. quoted

  1073. earlier

  1074. who just

  1075. has this

  1076. beautifully

  1077. beatific

  1078. vision

  1079. of the

  1080. heavenly

  1081. state

  1082. and I

  1083. appreciate

  1084. with him

  1085. he's very

  1086. biblical

  1087. in his

  1088. approaches

  1089. he never

  1090. makes a

  1091. statement

  1092. without

  1093. first saying

  1094. what's

  1095. the biblical

  1096. passage

  1097. that's going

  1098. to furnish

  1099. this text

  1100. for us

  1101. he says

  1102. this

  1103. all defects

  1104. will be removed

  1105. from the

  1106. bodies to

  1107. which they

  1108. have been

  1109. exposed

  1110. in this

  1111. mortality

  1112. but their

  1113. essence

  1114. will not

  1115. be

  1116. good

  1117. that is

  1118. to say

  1119. there's a

  1120. renewed

  1121. image of

  1122. God

  1123. a platform

  1124. for communication

  1125. with God

  1126. immediately

  1127. in his

  1128. presence

  1129. forever

  1130. and in fact

  1131. that speaks

  1132. furthermore

  1133. to the

  1134. idea that

  1135. there's a

  1136. spiritual

  1137. sight that

  1138. we'll have

  1139. of God

  1140. that somehow

  1141. will be

  1142. transformed

  1143. and have

  1144. an imparted

  1145. ability

  1146. to directly

  1147. see God

  1148. revelation

  1149. 21

  1150. 22

  1151. to 23

  1152. I saw

  1153. no temple

  1154. in it

  1155. that's the

  1156. new heavens

  1157. and new

  1158. earth

  1159. for the

  1160. Lord

  1161. God

  1162. the

  1163. almighty

  1164. and the

  1165. lamb

  1166. are

  1167. its

  1168. temple

  1169. and the

  1170. city

  1171. has no

  1172. need

  1173. of the

  1174. sun

  1175. or moon

  1176. to shine

  1177. on it

  1178. for the

  1179. glory

  1180. of God

  1181. has

  1182. illuminated

  1183. it

  1184. and the

  1185. lamp

  1186. is the

  1187. lamb

  1188. that's a

  1189. stunning

  1190. passage

  1191. and speaking

  1192. of the

  1193. immediate

  1194. what's

  1195. called

  1196. the

  1197. immediate

  1198. beatific

  1199. vision

  1200. of God

  1201. that we'll

  1202. have

  1203. and in

  1204. that

  1205. passage

  1206. church

  1207. speaks

  1208. later

  1209. of its

  1210. implications

  1211. to

  1212. participation

  1213. of the

  1214. very

  1215. divine

  1216. nature

  1217. of God

  1218. himself

  1219. writing

  1220. this

  1221. from this

  1222. will afterwards

  1223. flow a

  1224. perfect

  1225. likeness

  1226. of the

  1227. saints

  1228. to God

  1229. the

  1230. fulfillment

  1231. of their

  1232. desires

  1233. and of

  1234. their

  1235. perfect

  1236. happiness

  1237. to which

  1238. it

  1239. tends

  1240. and in

  1241. which

  1242. is

  1243. consecrated

  1244. this

  1245. is

  1246. nothing

  1247. else

  1248. than

  1249. a

  1250. certain

  1251. fusion

  1252. and

  1253. emanation

  1254. of the

  1255. deity

  1256. upon

  1257. the

  1258. souls

  1259. of the

  1260. saints

  1261. communicating

  1262. to them

  1263. the image

  1264. of all

  1265. his

  1266. perfections

  1267. as much

  1268. as they

  1269. can belong

  1270. unto a

  1271. creature

  1272. wow

  1273. but what's

  1274. he saying

  1275. well

  1276. there's

  1277. several other

  1278. classical theological

  1279. categories

  1280. so

  1281. whereas Adam

  1282. was what they

  1283. call he was

  1284. able not

  1285. to sin

  1286. yet he did

  1287. choose to

  1288. sin

  1289. and so he

  1290. died

  1291. afterwards

  1292. as sinners

  1293. as sinners

  1294. we're

  1295. not able

  1296. not to

  1297. sin

  1298. so

  1299. from our

  1300. hearts

  1301. being corrupted

  1302. in Adam

  1303. there is

  1304. no good

  1305. deed

  1306. that we're

  1307. able to

  1308. do

  1309. that can't

  1310. result

  1311. in sin

  1312. even our

  1313. righteous deeds

  1314. according to

  1315. Isaiah

  1316. are filthy

  1317. garments

  1318. before

  1319. God's

  1320. sight

  1321. however

  1322. in this

  1323. future state

  1324. what the

  1325. bible is

  1326. speaking of

  1327. here

  1328. with the

  1329. illumination

  1330. and the

  1331. filling of

  1332. the glory

  1333. of God

  1334. and what

  1335. Turretin is

  1336. speaking of

  1337. here

  1338. he's talking

  1339. about the

  1340. fact that

  1341. we will

  1342. not be

  1343. able to

  1344. sin

  1345. in the

  1346. future

  1347. and I'm

  1348. speaking of

  1349. moral necessity

  1350. we'll always

  1351. be present

  1352. with the

  1353. direct

  1354. revealed

  1355. glory

  1356. of God

  1357. you'll

  1358. recall

  1359. in fact

  1360. that idea

  1361. back in

  1362. the garden

  1363. of God

  1364. wanting to

  1365. walk

  1366. to be

  1367. in direct

  1368. communion

  1369. with Adam

  1370. and before

  1371. then was

  1372. when he

  1373. falls

  1374. right

  1375. so we

  1376. see in

  1377. fact

  1378. in

  1379. revelation

  1380. a

  1381. perfect

  1382. restoration

  1383. of the

  1384. Edenic

  1385. state

  1386. made

  1387. more

  1388. permanent

  1389. than had

  1390. been in

  1391. that first

  1392. state

  1393. again

  1394. I know

  1395. I've quoted

  1396. him a lot

  1397. already

  1398. but Turretin

  1399. says this

  1400. the saints

  1401. will find

  1402. in God

  1403. whatever is

  1404. necessary

  1405. for them

  1406. for as

  1407. he is

  1408. infinite

  1409. and the

  1410. inexhaustible

  1411. fountain

  1412. of all

  1413. blessings

  1414. he also

  1415. has

  1416. that

  1417. with which

  1418. he can

  1419. satisfy

  1420. the

  1421. necessities

  1422. and desires

  1423. of all

  1424. the same

  1425. one who

  1426. illuminates

  1427. feeds

  1428. heals

  1429. protects

  1430. enriches

  1431. and works

  1432. all things

  1433. in all

  1434. or in the

  1435. words of

  1436. scripture

  1437. itself

  1438. revelation

  1439. 22

  1440. 1-5

  1441. then he

  1442. showed me

  1443. a river

  1444. of the

  1445. water

  1446. of life

  1447. here is

  1448. crystal

  1449. coming from

  1450. the throne

  1451. of God

  1452. and of

  1453. the lamb

  1454. in the

  1455. middle

  1456. of its

  1457. street

  1458. on either

  1459. side of

  1460. the river

  1461. was the

  1462. tree

  1463. of life

  1464. bearing

  1465. 12 kinds

  1466. of fruit

  1467. yielding

  1468. its fruit

  1469. every month

  1470. and the

  1471. leaves

  1472. of the

  1473. tree

  1474. were for

  1475. the healing

  1476. of the

  1477. nations

  1478. there will

  1479. be no

  1480. longer

  1481. any curse

  1482. and the

  1483. throne

  1484. of God

  1485. and of

  1486. the lamb

  1487. will be

  1488. in it

  1489. and his

  1490. slaves

  1491. will serve

  1492. him

  1493. they will

  1494. see his

  1495. face

  1496. and his

  1497. name will

  1498. be on

  1499. their foreheads

  1500. and there

  1501. will no

  1502. longer

  1503. be any

  1504. night

  1505. and they

  1506. will not

  1507. have

  1508. need of

  1509. the light

  1510. of the

  1511. lamp

  1512. nor the

  1513. light

  1514. of the

  1515. sun

  1516. because

  1517. the

  1518. Lord

  1519. God

  1520. will

  1521. illumine

  1522. them

  1523. and they

  1524. will reign

  1525. forever

  1526. this is to say

  1527. this is a real

  1528. a very real

  1529. platform upon which

  1530. we can worship

  1531. God forever

  1532. into eternity

  1533. and note in particular

  1534. is another thing

  1535. Turretin wants to devote

  1536. a lot of time to

  1537. Edwards devotes a

  1538. considerable amount

  1539. of time to

  1540. in his writings as well

  1541. this isn't just a

  1542. static state

  1543. I think sometimes

  1544. we envision the

  1545. heavenly state

  1546. because of pop

  1547. culture and

  1548. whatever other

  1549. influences out

  1550. there as we're

  1551. just kind of

  1552. sitting on clouds

  1553. strumming harps

  1554. forever

  1555. you know you'll

  1556. see that imagery

  1557. Ironic Turretin

  1558. says well the

  1559. heavenly state is

  1560. going to be great

  1561. we're going to be

  1562. doing a lot of

  1563. things like

  1564. strumming harps

  1565. that's the opposite

  1566. of what I think

  1567. when I think that

  1568. we're doing a lot

  1569. of really great

  1570. things in heaven

  1571. forever and

  1572. ever and ever

  1573. but his point

  1574. was that we're

  1575. going to have

  1576. culture even in

  1577. heaven we're

  1578. going to have

  1579. development of

  1580. life we're

  1581. going to have

  1582. an exciting

  1583. rejuvenated

  1584. experience

  1585. there's a

  1586. dynamic and

  1587. eternal growth

  1588. in heaven

  1589. there's going to

  1590. be culture

  1591. fellowship

  1592. work

  1593. and we're

  1594. even going to

  1595. enjoy food and

  1596. drink that

  1597. passage that I

  1598. just read I

  1599. think most

  1600. probably that

  1601. speaking of the

  1602. fact that if

  1603. we take that

  1604. literally that

  1605. speaking of

  1606. actual fruit that

  1607. we're going to

  1608. have on this

  1609. tree and that

  1610. we're going to

  1611. be able to in

  1612. some way eat

  1613. in a way that

  1614. doesn't reflect

  1615. corruption which

  1616. is a fascinating

  1617. concept in fact

  1618. you even see

  1619. cities here one

  1620. of my former

  1621. professors talked

  1622. about the fact

  1623. that creation

  1624. begins in the

  1625. garden and then

  1626. we have this

  1627. cultural mandate

  1628. from God to

  1629. grow and

  1630. multiply and

  1631. expand and

  1632. be stewards of

  1633. the earth right

  1634. and we look at

  1635. the end of

  1636. creation we look

  1637. at the new

  1638. heavens and the

  1639. new earth and

  1640. it's a city

  1641. a city that

  1642. is made with

  1643. these magnificent

  1644. walls and in

  1645. fact a new

  1646. Jerusalem

  1647. even more so

  1648. however than

  1649. that there is a

  1650. perpetual growth

  1651. a perpetual

  1652. spiritual growth

  1653. that comes with

  1654. being in

  1655. communion with

  1656. God forever

  1657. that is to say

  1658. in a sense we'll

  1659. be doing theology

  1660. forever which

  1661. I understand for

  1662. some might be a

  1663. tedious concept

  1664. but in this

  1665. sense it's a

  1666. enlivening concept

  1667. an invigorating

  1668. concept as I

  1669. quoted earlier

  1670. John 17 3

  1671. where Christ

  1672. says this is

  1673. eternal life

  1674. that they may

  1675. know you the

  1676. only true God

  1677. and Jesus Christ

  1678. whom you have

  1679. sent and later

  1680. in that high

  1681. priestly prayer

  1682. he says this

  1683. which I quoted

  1684. last week he's

  1685. praying on our

  1686. behalf and he's

  1687. asking the father

  1688. saying this

  1689. the glory you

  1690. have given me

  1691. I have given

  1692. to them that

  1693. they may be

  1694. one just as

  1695. we are one

  1696. I in them

  1697. and you in me

  1698. that they may

  1699. be perfected

  1700. in unity

  1701. what's he saying

  1702. here what he's

  1703. saying the

  1704. finite restored

  1705. image of God

  1706. is the very

  1707. condition for our

  1708. eternal participation

  1709. in the divine

  1710. in the divine

  1711. glory

  1712. yeah we'll get

  1713. we'll get to

  1714. that in a moment

  1715. won't we

  1716. let me just

  1717. quote Jonathan

  1718. Edwards on

  1719. this

  1720. Jonathan

  1721. Edwards says

  1722. speaking of

  1723. what he calls

  1724. an increasing

  1725. union and

  1726. conformity

  1727. through eternity

  1728. he cites

  1729. these verses

  1730. and then he

  1731. notes the

  1732. following

  1733. the image

  1734. is more and

  1735. more perfect

  1736. and so

  1737. the good

  1738. that is

  1739. in the

  1740. creature

  1741. comes forever

  1742. nearer and

  1743. nearer

  1744. to an

  1745. identity

  1746. with that

  1747. of God

  1748. and the

  1749. view therefore

  1750. of God

  1751. who has a

  1752. comprehensive

  1753. prospect

  1754. of the

  1755. increasing

  1756. unity

  1757. and conformity

  1758. through eternity

  1759. it must

  1760. be an

  1761. infinitely

  1762. strict

  1763. and perfect

  1764. nearness

  1765. conformity

  1766. and oneness

  1767. for it will

  1768. forever come

  1769. nearer and

  1770. nearer to that

  1771. strictness and

  1772. perfection of

  1773. union

  1774. which there is

  1775. between the

  1776. father and

  1777. the son

  1778. wow

  1779. that's a

  1780. glorious truth

  1781. I think what

  1782. he's trying to

  1783. say there is

  1784. that with our

  1785. renewed faculties

  1786. in the image

  1787. of God

  1788. with our

  1789. renewed platform

  1790. for being able

  1791. to partake

  1792. of the divine

  1793. nature

  1794. to be able

  1795. to commune

  1796. with God

  1797. to enjoy

  1798. his presence

  1799. that we're

  1800. actually going

  1801. to in some

  1802. way in the

  1803. eternal state

  1804. forever and

  1805. ever enter

  1806. into the

  1807. trinitarian

  1808. communion that

  1809. there is between

  1810. father and

  1811. son and in

  1812. fact because

  1813. we're finite

  1814. beings right

  1815. that's going

  1816. to be an

  1817. unending

  1818. exploration

  1819. and that's

  1820. wonderful

  1821. some people

  1822. really throw

  1823. around the

  1824. difficulty of

  1825. well we're

  1826. finite and

  1827. God's eternal

  1828. how is this

  1829. really going to

  1830. work in

  1831. eternity you

  1832. know well

  1833. it's because

  1834. we're finite

  1835. it's because

  1836. God created

  1837. us and

  1838. created us

  1839. with these

  1840. amazing faculties

  1841. that we'll

  1842. be able to

  1843. never exhaust

  1844. that communion

  1845. with him

  1846. forever and

  1847. ever and

  1848. ever

  1849. there's a

  1850. unending

  1851. growth that

  1852. is in

  1853. nearness to

  1854. and resemblance

  1855. of God

  1856. that will

  1857. never be

  1858. reached and

  1859. praise God

  1860. for that

  1861. as Paul

  1862. writes in

  1863. Romans 9

  1864. 23 will

  1865. truly be

  1866. vessels of

  1867. mercy which

  1868. he prepared

  1869. beforehand for

  1870. glory or

  1871. in the words

  1872. of Ephesians

  1873. 1 6 we'll

  1874. be able to

  1875. praise quote

  1876. to the praise

  1877. of the glory

  1878. of his

  1879. grace for

  1880. all eternity

  1881. so it's

  1882. that realm

  1883. of grace

  1884. that realm

  1885. of participation

  1886. in the

  1887. Lord that

  1888. constitutes

  1889. eternal life

  1890. and it's

  1891. as I said

  1892. it's a

  1893. quality

  1894. it's not

  1895. something that

  1896. is just

  1897. duration

  1898. but it's

  1899. because of

  1900. who we

  1901. will be

  1902. remade

  1903. into the

  1904. image of

  1905. God

  1906. that enables

  1907. us to

  1908. partake in

  1909. that heavenly

  1910. glory forever

  1911. and ever

  1912. as his

  1913. creatures

  1914. now I

  1915. thought I'd

  1916. give some

  1917. points of

  1918. application

  1919. I've been

  1920. doing that

  1921. at the

  1922. end of

  1923. these

  1924. sessions

  1925. and I

  1926. think the

  1927. most direct

  1928. one is to

  1929. simply praise

  1930. God

  1931. right

  1932. this is a

  1933. glorious

  1934. truth

  1935. and it's

  1936. humbling to

  1937. realize that

  1938. even though we

  1939. were dead in

  1940. our trespasses

  1941. and sins

  1942. that he

  1943. in his

  1944. grace

  1945. decided to

  1946. make us

  1947. partakers

  1948. of that

  1949. grace

  1950. through

  1951. Jesus

  1952. Christ

  1953. and that's

  1954. something

  1955. that we

  1956. can do

  1957. now

  1958. in fact

  1959. we can

  1960. actually

  1961. enter into

  1962. the same

  1963. praise that

  1964. we'll have

  1965. in the

  1966. eternal state

  1967. when we

  1968. praise God

  1969. and we

  1970. thank him

  1971. and we

  1972. live

  1973. thankful

  1974. and holy

  1975. lives

  1976. before him

  1977. and in

  1978. fact that

  1979. brings us

  1980. to a

  1981. second point

  1982. that Peter

  1983. will actually

  1984. bring up

  1985. in 2

  1986. Peter

  1987. 11

  1988. where he

  1989. says

  1990. what sort

  1991. of people

  1992. ought you

  1993. to be

  1994. in holiness

  1995. of conduct

  1996. and godliness

  1997. and he's

  1998. speaking there

  1999. in light of

  2000. the future

  2001. state

  2002. in light of

  2003. eschatology

  2004. and he's

  2005. saying

  2006. that considering

  2007. we have that

  2008. weight before us

  2009. of Christ's

  2010. imminence

  2011. and his return

  2012. and his coming

  2013. back

  2014. and we have

  2015. all eternity

  2016. before us

  2017. that should

  2018. impress upon us

  2019. the need

  2020. to want to be

  2021. holy

  2022. to want to be

  2023. like him

  2024. to want to

  2025. conduct ourselves

  2026. in resemblance

  2027. of him

  2028. and a third

  2029. point that I

  2030. would like

  2031. to bring

  2032. is that this

  2033. has a very

  2034. direct call

  2035. to repentance

  2036. I wasn't

  2037. simply giving

  2038. all that

  2039. talk about

  2040. what death

  2041. means just

  2042. for the sake

  2043. of being

  2044. morbid

  2045. that there

  2046. really is a

  2047. very valuable

  2048. ability that

  2049. we have to

  2050. call people

  2051. to repentance

  2052. as this

  2053. text here in

  2054. Revelation 22

  2055. says right

  2056. it ends

  2057. with that

  2058. call the

  2059. spirit and

  2060. the bride

  2061. say come

  2062. there's an

  2063. open invitation

  2064. to partake in

  2065. God's glory

  2066. forever and

  2067. ever to

  2068. repent and

  2069. to place your

  2070. hope and faith

  2071. in Jesus

  2072. Christ alone

  2073. for in him

  2074. alone comes

  2075. the knowledge

  2076. of God

  2077. and eternal

  2078. life

  2079. so let me

  2080. close in prayer

  2081. and then we'll

  2082. have some

  2083. questions and

  2084. answers

  2085. heavenly father

  2086. again

  2087. this is a

  2088. difficult

  2089. subject to

  2090. entreat

  2091. upon

  2092. this is

  2093. the very

  2094. threshold of

  2095. your glory

  2096. that we're

  2097. talking about

  2098. this is the

  2099. eternal state

  2100. and we know

  2101. that you're

  2102. limited

  2103. and we'll

  2104. never be able

  2105. to on earth

  2106. because of our

  2107. limitations

  2108. both sinful

  2109. and created

  2110. as we are

  2111. now we'll

  2112. never be able

  2113. to fully

  2114. comprehend that

  2115. but we're

  2116. thankful

  2117. Lord that

  2118. you've

  2119. enabled

  2120. through your

  2121. grace that we

  2122. can contemplate

  2123. that forever

  2124. and ever

  2125. and that we'll

  2126. be freed and

  2127. liberated in our

  2128. hearts and minds

  2129. to be able to

  2130. explore you

  2131. Lord

  2132. humble us before

  2133. you give us

  2134. renewed vigor

  2135. so that we can

  2136. live lives that

  2137. are exactly

  2138. this amazing

  2139. calling you've

  2140. given us

  2141. I'm sure you

  2142. don't have any

  2143. questions at all

  2144. about the

  2145. eternal state

  2146. or what any

  2147. of that

  2148. meant

  2149. I know

  2150. that it

  2151. was a

  2152. lot

  2153. go ahead

  2154. if you just

  2155. have any

  2156. questions

  2157. shoot a

  2158. hand up

  2159. Tyler I

  2160. see

  2161. why don't

  2162. you go

  2163. ahead

  2164. you can

  2165. have some

  2166. questions

  2167. first

  2168. yeah so we

  2169. were talking

  2170. about the

  2171. ability that

  2172. we will have

  2173. as creatures

  2174. to be able

  2175. to participate

  2176. in God's

  2177. glory to be

  2178. able to love

  2179. him

  2180. right so God

  2181. is a perfect

  2182. creature right

  2183. and he's able

  2184. to it's hard

  2185. for us to talk

  2186. to him it's hard

  2187. for us to be in

  2188. communion with him

  2189. to love him

  2190. rightly

  2191. everyone makes

  2192. mistakes

  2193. right only God

  2194. makes mistakes

  2195. and so only we

  2196. make mistakes

  2197. sorry only God

  2198. doesn't make

  2199. mistakes that's

  2200. what we call

  2201. bad theology

  2202. but right

  2203. so only we

  2204. make mistakes

  2205. but what

  2206. we're talking

  2207. about here is

  2208. that God has

  2209. created us so

  2210. that someday

  2211. we can love

  2212. him better

  2213. and we won't

  2214. make mistakes

  2215. and that's a

  2216. wonderful

  2217. truth that he's

  2218. promised us

  2219. in his word

  2220. so in 1st

  2221. Corinthians when

  2222. it says you

  2223. know we will

  2224. behold him

  2225. and we will

  2226. be transformed

  2227. from his life

  2228. one group

  2229. glory into

  2230. another

  2231. it says

  2232. something about

  2233. the beautiful

  2234. glory

  2235. and the

  2236. glory

  2237. and the

  2238. glory

  2239. and the

  2240. glory

  2241. I was

  2242. wondering

  2243. when we

  2244. have final

  2245. statement

  2246. we see him

  2247. face to face

  2248. ultimately

  2249. changed

  2250. between the

  2251. night

  2252. and have

  2253. you know

  2254. transformed

  2255. to the

  2256. glorious

  2257. state

  2258. how does

  2259. that work

  2260. when we

  2261. see something

  2262. become like

  2263. it

  2264. I've always

  2265. wondered

  2266. how does

  2267. that

  2268. underlaying

  2269. that passage

  2270. there's

  2271. several things

  2272. going on

  2273. there

  2274. it's probably

  2275. speaking

  2276. not just right

  2277. of a physical

  2278. sight

  2279. it's a

  2280. spiritual

  2281. beholding

  2282. that we'll

  2283. have

  2284. and there's

  2285. the idea

  2286. that

  2287. God's

  2288. glory

  2289. is so

  2290. effectual

  2291. in fact

  2292. it's talked

  2293. about in

  2294. 1 Corinthians

  2295. 3

  2296. you kind of

  2297. see it a little

  2298. bit there

  2299. if any man

  2300. builds on the

  2301. foundation

  2302. gold,

  2303. silver,

  2304. precious,

  2305. stone,

  2306. wood,

  2307. hay,

  2308. straw

  2309. each man's

  2310. work will

  2311. become evident

  2312. the day

  2313. will show

  2314. itself

  2315. because it

  2316. will be

  2317. revealed

  2318. with fire

  2319. the fire

  2320. will test

  2321. the quality

  2322. of each

  2323. man's

  2324. work

  2325. if each

  2326. man's

  2327. work

  2328. which he

  2329. is built

  2330. on it

  2331. remains

  2332. he will

  2333. receive a

  2334. reward

  2335. if any

  2336. man's

  2337. work is

  2338. burned up

  2339. he will

  2340. suffer

  2341. lost

  2342. but he

  2343. himself

  2344. will

  2345. be

  2346. saved

  2347. so

  2348. as

  2349. through

  2350. fire

  2351. and talked

  2352. about the

  2353. dwelling

  2354. of God

  2355. in people's

  2356. bodies

  2357. as the

  2358. holy

  2359. with the

  2360. holy

  2361. spirit

  2362. so it's

  2363. almost the

  2364. idea that

  2365. God's

  2366. glory

  2367. is so

  2368. powerful

  2369. and effectual

  2370. that when

  2371. it shows

  2372. up

  2373. and you

  2374. see it

  2375. immediately

  2376. everything

  2377. that isn't

  2378. pure and

  2379. holy before

  2380. him is

  2381. purged

  2382. away

  2383. it's done

  2384. away from

  2385. his presence

  2386. and all

  2387. that remains

  2388. is anything

  2389. that's in

  2390. likeness

  2391. with

  2392. himself

  2393. and it's

  2394. so theologians

  2395. throw around

  2396. exactly how

  2397. this works

  2398. they'll get

  2399. into the

  2400. really detailed

  2401. metaphysics of

  2402. it and I

  2403. would encourage

  2404. you to go

  2405. ahead and try

  2406. and find a

  2407. copy of

  2408. Turretin

  2409. I think he's

  2410. more biblical

  2411. about it and he

  2412. talks about it

  2413. in depth

  2414. in a very

  2415. scholastic form

  2416. but he gets

  2417. really into the

  2418. details of it

  2419. if you want to

  2420. really search

  2421. out what does

  2422. that mean

  2423. I think he's

  2424. written quite a

  2425. bit about it

  2426. that I found

  2427. somewhat helpful

  2428. yeah

  2429. I could be

  2430. explain

  2431. yeah

  2432. you've talked

  2433. about it

  2434. being

  2435. essentially

  2436. this

  2437. psychosomatic

  2438. union

  2439. yes

  2440. right

  2441. I suppose

  2442. the question

  2443. is something

  2444. about

  2445. how

  2446. how do we

  2447. end up

  2448. the same

  2449. beings

  2450. after the

  2451. resurrection

  2452. as before

  2453. death

  2454. yeah

  2455. because it

  2456. seems

  2457. like

  2458. we spend

  2459. at least

  2460. some time

  2461. in the

  2462. intermediate

  2463. state

  2464. not being

  2465. the same

  2466. psychosomatic

  2467. union

  2468. right

  2469. oh I thought

  2470. you were going

  2471. to bring up

  2472. the cannibal

  2473. question

  2474. something I

  2475. wanted to

  2476. call the

  2477. cannibal

  2478. question

  2479. that's a

  2480. good one

  2481. yeah so

  2482. there is

  2483. the idea

  2484. that there's

  2485. some sort

  2486. of and again

  2487. well I'll

  2488. refer you to

  2489. John Cooper

  2490. he's written

  2491. a bit about

  2492. the intermediate

  2493. state and

  2494. the idea of

  2495. the holistic

  2496. psychosomatic

  2497. unity

  2498. and he has

  2499. a whole section

  2500. on the

  2501. intermediate

  2502. state that

  2503. he finds

  2504. fascinating

  2505. and he's

  2506. the one that

  2507. throws around

  2508. that God's

  2509. going to

  2510. give us

  2511. a provisional

  2512. body

  2513. but he

  2514. ends the

  2515. discussion by

  2516. saying

  2517. there's

  2518. something about

  2519. this state

  2520. that I

  2521. am not

  2522. sure

  2523. exactly how

  2524. this works

  2525. because

  2526. you know

  2527. the biblical

  2528. teaching

  2529. clearly says

  2530. our great

  2531. hope is that

  2532. we're going

  2533. to be

  2534. resurrected

  2535. in body

  2536. and soul

  2537. and we're

  2538. going to

  2539. be reunited

  2540. then

  2541. and it's

  2542. this amazing

  2543. renewal

  2544. but that also

  2545. Paul says

  2546. to be absent

  2547. from the body

  2548. is to be

  2549. present from

  2550. the Lord

  2551. and he

  2552. talks about

  2553. it as

  2554. this wonderful

  2555. state

  2556. where if

  2557. I die

  2558. I'm going

  2559. to be

  2560. in God's

  2561. presence

  2562. that's

  2563. wonderful

  2564. but then

  2565. you might

  2566. reply to

  2567. Paul

  2568. but we

  2569. don't have

  2570. our bodies

  2571. so how

  2572. can we

  2573. be experiencing

  2574. any of that

  2575. so I guess

  2576. I'm kind of

  2577. punting on that

  2578. one aren't I

  2579. because the

  2580. answer is

  2581. there's something

  2582. about that

  2583. glorified state

  2584. that we don't

  2585. quite know

  2586. yet

  2587. but we do

  2588. seem to

  2589. have a kind

  2590. of some

  2591. sort of

  2592. provisional

  2593. body I guess

  2594. that's what

  2595. I'll say

  2596. so that we

  2597. can at least

  2598. interact in

  2599. some way

  2600. yeah

  2601. yeah

  2602. yeah

  2603. if I'm

  2604. if what I

  2605. am

  2606. is this

  2607. particular

  2608. psychosomatic

  2609. then I am

  2610. not

  2611. the psychosomatic

  2612. being told by

  2613. my soul

  2614. in a different

  2615. body

  2616. yeah

  2617. yeah

  2618. but

  2619. if I'm just

  2620. my soul

  2621. the body

  2622. seems a whole

  2623. lot less

  2624. important

  2625. yeah

  2626. I mean

  2627. that's

  2628. something that

  2629. you'd have

  2630. to I guess

  2631. you'll just

  2632. have to ask

  2633. God when you

  2634. get to the

  2635. eternal state

  2636. how he works

  2637. that out

  2638. because the

  2639. idea is that

  2640. you're in

  2641. communion with

  2642. God and

  2643. you're held

  2644. by his

  2645. power somehow

  2646. and that's

  2647. that's the

  2648. only way that

  2649. I have to

  2650. answer that

  2651. that question

  2652. yeah

  2653. sorry Ben

  2654. I know that's

  2655. not intellectually

  2656. satisfying

  2657. but it's

  2658. it's

  2659. it's what

  2660. we've got

  2661. yeah

  2662. yeah

  2663. yeah

  2664. I'll be honest

  2665. about it

  2666. yeah

  2667. yes in the

  2668. back

  2669. we pray

  2670. oftentimes

  2671. so that

  2672. we can be

  2673. close to

  2674. God

  2675. to be

  2676. in the

  2677. earth

  2678. and to

  2679. basically

  2680. I guess

  2681. to be

  2682. in a

  2683. familiar place

  2684. with God

  2685. but I also

  2686. hear people

  2687. say that

  2688. the place

  2689. of the

  2690. gospel

  2691. will be

  2692. in them

  2693. is there

  2694. a difference

  2695. and is it

  2696. a danger

  2697. to have

  2698. pray for

  2699. one to be

  2700. close to

  2701. God

  2702. versus

  2703. to be

  2704. part of

  2705. you

  2706. yeah

  2707. I mean I

  2708. think underlying

  2709. that if I'm

  2710. understanding you

  2711. correctly

  2712. is the

  2713. understanding

  2714. when we pray

  2715. we're not

  2716. necessarily

  2717. calling God

  2718. down from

  2719. heaven

  2720. that when we

  2721. pray it's

  2722. more like

  2723. he's

  2724. it's us

  2725. humbling

  2726. ourselves

  2727. before him

  2728. and lifting

  2729. ourselves

  2730. up to him

  2731. so there's

  2732. not necessarily

  2733. a break

  2734. between

  2735. us

  2736. making

  2737. God do

  2738. something

  2739. different

  2740. when we

  2741. pray

  2742. but it's

  2743. more like

  2744. we're being

  2745. conformed

  2746. to him

  2747. greater

  2748. did that

  2749. did that

  2750. answer the

  2751. question

  2752. or

  2753. to a certain

  2754. extent

  2755. okay

  2756. I think

  2757. sometimes

  2758. fast

  2759. like

  2760. God

  2761. has to

  2762. and

  2763. say

  2764. oh

  2765. yes

  2766. there's

  2767. a

  2768. thing

  2769. there's

  2770. I can see somebody saying, you know, God is part of me now.

  2771. Oh, yes.

  2772. And all of a sudden, there's a, you know, I'm inspired.

  2773. I am part of God now.

  2774. And you're served as a God, not part of God.

  2775. Right, yeah.

  2776. So that goes back to a very basic distinction of the creator versus creature,

  2777. which is so fundamental to impress upon people.

  2778. Because people will assume that, won't they?

  2779. They'll assume, they'll think, you know, God can be part of me.

  2780. He can be part of who I want, who I wish, who I desire, you know.

  2781. Whereas that's in a way you could almost respond when people say that, right,

  2782. with Paul in Romans 1 when he says people have exchanged the image of God

  2783. for the image of themselves.

  2784. And in that way, they're almost kind of putting God in,

  2785. putting themselves in the place of God when they're saying something like that.

  2786. Whereas we're able to actually give a pretty good rebuff to that and say, you know,

  2787. well, the point, the goal of eternal life and blessedness is actually, like,

  2788. humble submission before him and loving him in who we are without ourselves becoming God

  2789. or not becoming God.

  2790. But we're able to love him and adore him and worship him forever,

  2791. which is a whole lot better because he's a whole lot more than we are.

  2792. Well, it's 9.45, so I think it's a good time to dismiss and matriculate upstairs.

  2793. Thank you so much for coming out to the Sunday School.