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  1. All right, good morning everyone.

  2. Hope you had a good Thanksgiving.

  3. And we are back to our class on gender and sexuality and dealing with a challenging topic

  4. this morning.

  5. So just to set the background, if you haven't been in this class, we have considered God's

  6. design for our bodies and for us being male and female and for how we relate to each other

  7. and for what God's design is for gender and sexuality in the context of the Christian story,

  8. right?

  9. That we're created by God, yet we're fallen and corrupted by sin and Christ has come to

  10. redeem us.

  11. And we live in between, so we live sort of in between three parts of the, well, in all

  12. parts of the story, right, because we are made by God and that's still true that we're

  13. made in his image.

  14. And yet we are still, we still experience the effects of sin and the indwelling sin, even

  15. as believers.

  16. But Christ has forgiven us and set us free and begun to sanctify us, begun to make us more

  17. like Christ, and yet we look forward to that hope of glory.

  18. And so this whole class is how do we live, how do we face the challenging realities of

  19. this complicated, confusing, sometimes dark world?

  20. So we have considered homosexuality, we've considered transgender identity.

  21. Today we will address pornography, and next week we will address sexual abuse and assault.

  22. These are not easy topics to teach on.

  23. This was not an easy lesson to prepare.

  24. But I think it's important for the church to address for several reasons.

  25. We, you know, I think the topics we've previously addressed, the church needs to speak to the

  26. questions that we spoke to earlier in November about homosexuality and transgender identity,

  27. or sort of rejecting one's God-given maleness or femaleness because, partly because, those sins

  28. are increasingly celebrated in our society.

  29. And even though they are rejecting God's good and beautiful design for us.

  30. But pornography is a far more prevalent phenomenon.

  31. The percentages are far larger.

  32. And I think if the church only addresses things like homosexuality and transgender identity and

  33. remain silent about pornography or about sexual abuse and assault, I think people could rightly

  34. look at the church and say, aren't you being a little hypocritical here?

  35. Because aren't there more of your members who are addicted to pornography or engaging in

  36. pornography than engaging in the previous two topics?

  37. So, but even more, even more than sort of avoiding the charge of hypocrisy, I think we need to

  38. care for one another, right?

  39. And we need to talk about hard topics that affect us.

  40. Many believers are engaged in, tempted by, exploited by, or otherwise harmed by this sin.

  41. But, I want, as we go through this lesson, I want to keep in mind what Paul says in Ephesians 5.

  42. He says, take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.

  43. And then, in the next verse, he says, for it is shameful even to speak of the things that

  44. they do in secret.

  45. So, Paul says two things.

  46. We're to expose that is sort of clearly point out and frankly warn against the pervasiveness

  47. of pornography and its harmful effects.

  48. And at the same time, we want to avoid sort of speaking of the things that people do in

  49. secret, right?

  50. Giving unnecessary details that would stir up ungodly curiosity or ungodly imaginations or

  51. shame.

  52. So, before I go on, let me pray for us that the Lord would help us to do these things.

  53. Father, we thank you for this morning and we thank you for how you speak to us in your

  54. word and how you are frank and truthful and honest with us.

  55. We thank you, Lord, for how your word calls a spade a spade and calls sin what it is.

  56. And yet, we thank you for the hope that we have in Christ.

  57. We thank you for the hope of forgiveness, the promise of forgiveness of our sins, the hope

  58. of being released from the power of sin through the power of the Holy Spirit coming to dwell

  59. in us.

  60. We thank you, Lord, for the hope of healing from our brokenness that we look forward to

  61. experiencing in full when we see you face to face, but that we can experience in part

  62. now.

  63. We pray that you'd help us as we look at this challenging topic.

  64. Lord, we pray that you would help us to be edified and equipped by this lesson.

  65. In Jesus' name we pray.

  66. Amen.

  67. Okay, so I want to look at this under a few headings.

  68. First, what is pornography?

  69. And where does the Bible speak to it, right?

  70. The Bible obviously doesn't use the word pornography.

  71. But first, what is it?

  72. Second, a little bit about the history of it and sort of current pervasiveness of it.

  73. Third, the effects of pornography.

  74. And fourth, sort of more practically, what does mercy and hope and healing look like through

  75. Christ for different groups of people who are affected by it in different ways.

  76. So defining pornography, legal scholars have sort of debated this.

  77. There was a famous Supreme Court ruling where the Supreme Court justice said, I don't really

  78. have a definition for it, but I know it when I see it.

  79. Okay, fair enough.

  80. But I think there actually is a helpful definition from a Christian standpoint.

  81. Right.

  82. Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners

  83. in order to display them deliberately to third parties.

  84. And I think that definition is helpful because it reminds us of God's design for sexual intimacy,

  85. that it be shared and delighted in by husband and wife within the safety and exclusivity of

  86. the marriage covenant.

  87. So if you look at Song of Songs, the imagery of Song of Songs confirms that in some of the

  88. imagery that's used of the husband and wife's bodies, right?

  89. They're represented as a locked garden, a walled city, or my own vineyard not to be shared with

  90. others, right?

  91. So those are some images that Song of Songs uses for sort of godly sexual intimacy between

  92. husband and wife.

  93. And it's sort of in this safe, secure, contained, covenantal relationship not to be put on display

  94. before others.

  95. So I think by removing sexual acts from their proper context and putting them on display

  96. before the world, pornography inherently violates God's good design for marriage and sexuality.

  97. So I think it's not only sort of the subjective effects of pornography that are problematic,

  98. like pornography, you know, sometimes Christians start with pornography saying pornography stirs

  99. up lust, that's why it's wrong.

  100. True, that's very true.

  101. But I think inherently in sort of taking sexual intimacy out of that safe and secure context

  102. of a covenantal marriage, that's already violating God's good design.

  103. Even regardless of the effects it has on other people, right?

  104. And then those effects sort of carry that violation even further.

  105. So it says it offends against chastity because it perverts the intimate giving of spouses

  106. to each other.

  107. It injures the dignity of its participants since each one becomes an object of base pleasure

  108. and illicit profit for others.

  109. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world.

  110. We'll look at more of that in some of the part three in the effects of pornography.

  111. Now, let me take a moment to speak to the issue of masturbation because that normally goes

  112. along with pornography.

  113. Again, the practice of masturbation or self-simulation promotes an inherently self-centered approach

  114. to sexual gratification, which again, what's God's design for sexual pleasure and sexual

  115. union?

  116. Well, it involves two people and involves a husband and wife who are biologically different

  117. from one another, right?

  118. And yet are being united together as a picture of the union of Christ and his people being

  119. united together forever, right?

  120. That's God's design.

  121. But masturbation doesn't train or prepare anyone to exercise sexual self-control or to prioritize

  122. love for one's spouse even above one's own desires.

  123. It doesn't promote a vision of sexual gratification that involves another person and that involves

  124. sort of loving and prioritizing and valuing another person who is different than yourself,

  125. right?

  126. So again, there's something where there's not one biblical verse that you can quote that

  127. says, do not, thou shalt not masturbate.

  128. But if you think about what is it, it is, again, sort of stepping outside of God's design

  129. sort of by removing sexual intimacy from the relationship of a husband and wife whose bodies,

  130. lives, and resources all belong to each other.

  131. And it's sort of isolating it and putting it in this sort of secret and self-centered place.

  132. So how does the New Testament speak to these things?

  133. Well, the New Testament warns consistently, clearly, and strongly against stirring up lust

  134. and engaging in impurity.

  135. So we see that in Jesus' teaching in the Sermon on the Mount.

  136. Everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

  137. Lustful intent is the ESV translation.

  138. The idea there is that one could be tempted.

  139. Temptation is not sin.

  140. But lustful intent is sort of carrying, sort of, you know, staying there or taking that a step further, right?

  141. It's sort of engaging in that lust instead of sort of resisting it and fixing our eyes on Christ.

  142. Paul's teaching sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you.

  143. Paul frequently lists impurity or sensuality along with sexual immorality in several places in his letters.

  144. Sexual immorality primarily refers to sexual acts with another person.

  145. But impurity and sensuality refer to a wider range of thoughts, attitudes, and behaviors

  146. and would include engaging in pornography or masturbation.

  147. So that's sort of the big picture of what it is and sort of how the Bible speaks to it generally.

  148. Now, a little bit about the history and pervasiveness of current pervasiveness of pornography.

  149. The English word pornography is derived from the Greek word pornea, which is translated sexual immorality.

  150. That's the word Paul uses.

  151. And graphe, which is to write down or to depict something.

  152. And it's not an exclusively modern phenomenon.

  153. Sexually explicit paintings, sculptures, and writings were produced in all kinds of ancient societies thousands of years ago.

  154. So in ancient Rome, around the time the New Testament was written, when Paul was writing his letter to the Romans,

  155. these sort of erotic depictions were prominently displayed in pagan temples on the streets.

  156. They were literally like advertisements indicating the way to the prostitution district.

  157. Sort of graphic billboards, as you might think.

  158. In the public baths, often sort of as a form of comic entertainment.

  159. And in homes, right?

  160. Sometimes as a decoration or good luck charms.

  161. You'd walk into somebody's house, and you might see this sort of pretty graphic picture, painting, or whatever.

  162. So ours is not the first society where sexually explicit material seems to be almost everywhere.

  163. The world of the New Testament, Rome, Corinth especially, Paul was writing to people in societies, in some ways like our own, right?

  164. Who were sort of, it's all around you.

  165. It's in the water.

  166. I think the major difference today is the internet.

  167. Before the internet, yes, magazines, but the internet has made pornography more easily, widely, and privately accessible than ever before.

  168. And just some statistics here.

  169. If you're not familiar with these statistics, they can be pretty staggering.

  170. 30% of data transferred on the internet is pornography.

  171. Pornography sites get more visits each month than Amazon, Netflix, and Twitter combined.

  172. Consumers spend $260 million each day on online pornography, even though there is so much that is available for free that you would think,

  173. why would anyone pay for it?

  174. But huge amounts of money.

  175. Are spent.

  176. And the amount of users is increasing from 2006 to 2016.

  177. It went from about 58 million Americans visiting porn sites each month to 107 million.

  178. And there's only 285 million Americans.

  179. I put age 10 and above.

  180. So that's a solid 40%.

  181. Is that right?

  182. Yes.

  183. Women are increasingly consumers of pornography as well.

  184. Approximately 80% of the consumers of Fifty Shades of Grey were women.

  185. According to Covenant Eyes, 64% of Christian men and 15% of Christian women admit to watching pornography at least once a month.

  186. Now, there are lots of surveys out there.

  187. You'll find different statistics.

  188. Some might be minimizing.

  189. Some might be over-inflating.

  190. I, I, I, I, I, I, the, the, anyway, this, this statistic is somewhere in the middle.

  191. Um, the percentages tend to be higher with, among younger people.

  192. Um, but it's pretty pervasive.

  193. Um, so, uh, how do we interpret that?

  194. Well, the Apostle Paul wrote in Romans 1, uh, I think a sobering passage that is relevant to this and, and, and other things.

  195. So, he wrote, claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

  196. All right, now Paul's talking about ancient forms of idolatry, but does it not apply to images resembling mortal man?

  197. And then, what does it say?

  198. Um, therefore God gave them up in the lust of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,

  199. because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the creator.

  200. So, Romans 1 would indicate that the increasing pervasiveness of pornography, as well as all the other sexual sins that we've discussed in this class,

  201. is a sobering sign of God's wrath against our society.

  202. That is God giving us over to our own corrupt inclinations and their destructive consequences,

  203. because we've chosen to worship ourselves and other created things.

  204. That's a sobering reality if we take that seriously.

  205. I don't think we take that seriously enough.

  206. The effects of pornography.

  207. I want to talk, sort of, how does pornography sort of affect our relationships in particular?

  208. Um, uh, the effects of pornography are increasingly recognized even by people outside the church.

  209. Um, this section I've taken from an article by a Christian counselor, uh, and he, that I thought was quite insightful.

  210. He describes six relational attitudes that pornography commonly fosters, especially in habitual users.

  211. And each of these qualities is also confirmed by scientific studies.

  212. Uh, many of these, uh, there's a, there's, um, uh, a website called Fight the New Drug, uh, which basically talks about, um,

  213. and the new drug is pornography, um, that's talking about.

  214. Um, and it has a lot of, sort of, scientific and research-based information about, um, the effects of pornography.

  215. And so, uh, here are six, um, uh, sort of attitudes that pornography fosters, uh, according, uh, both according to this Christian counselor

  216. and according to, uh, some of these scientific studies.

  217. Uh, first, um, a, a desire to control, right?

  218. Again, uh, pornography does not foster, uh, sort of an actual relationship with another person who will talk back to you,

  219. um, uh, uh, or, or sort of have a, have a back-and-forth conversation.

  220. Pornography is a non-mutual relationship alone with imagery.

  221. There's no one else to satisfy, no one else to consider.

  222. You get to control the entire scene.

  223. And this fosters or creates an innate selfishness and an unconscious desire for absolute control over intimate relationship.

  224. Uh, a scientific study found that pornography use correlated with narcissism, right?

  225. Uh, narcissism or sort of, uh, uh, extreme self-centeredness.

  226. Um, uh, second, um, objectification.

  227. Um, you know, this is something that's been discussed, uh, that many people discuss, uh, uh, pornography objectifies women in particular.

  228. Um, but, uh, right, the, the, the pattern of sort of, uh, well, I'll just read the quote.

  229. The addict over the years is looking at thousands upon thousands of images.

  230. The unknown bodies have no names or stories and have become means to an end.

  231. After they no longer serve a purpose, they are cheaply discarded.

  232. This causes people to chronically jump from relationship to relationship, just like clicking from image to image,

  233. looking for perfection and completion in a person.

  234. Um, and, uh, in some surveys, uh, many, many people sort of begin with, um, what are seen as sort of, uh, soft core images or less, or maybe less, less, uh, uh, well, it's people go from, um, uh, maybe more normal.

  235. All kinds of images that people might think and then go to increasingly violent or increasingly deviant, um, forms of pornography.

  236. Uh, it's sort of, it's a, it's a hunger that's not satisfied.

  237. Um, uh, so that's, that's, that's a common pattern.

  238. Uh, third, uh, third thing, um, that pornography use fosters is sort of a, a, uh, speed or, or very rapid, uh, pace.

  239. Um, the rapid pace of relationships comes to resemble the quick climax of intensity around pornography.

  240. Uh, the, not, the thrill of not getting exposed, uh, an urgency for consummation, ultimately an abrupt and inevitable ending normally with shame attached.

  241. And so, um, again, there's studies that say people who have consumed a significant amount of pornography are more likely to start having sex sooner with more partners to engage in riskier kinds of sex that put them at greater risk of getting infections and to have actually contracted a sexually transmitted infection.

  242. Fourth quality, hunger.

  243. Um, this is sort of, uh, uh, sort of a frantic need that must be filled by the other.

  244. Um, and, uh, this category shows itself in codependent relationships where both parties become enmeshed.

  245. Uh, the hunger drives them to consume rather than delight in the other.

  246. Um, and, and again, often sort of relationships that, that are very emotionally intense and sort of highly, um, uh, uh, physically and emotionally intimate from the beginning don't last very long.

  247. Right?

  248. And so it sort of leads to these, these patterns, um, and, uh, pornography sort of, uh, fosters, um, sort of pushes us in that direction.

  249. Um, one of the, uh, studies, so there was a meta-analysis of 22 studies from seven different countries that concluded that pornography use was associated with verbal and physical sexual aggression, uh, in the United States.

  250. In the United States and internationally among males and females and in cross-sectional and basically across the board.

  251. Um, uh, uh, that, uh, uh, pornography sort of fosters, um, verbal or physical, uh, aggression, um, and violence.

  252. Fifth, isolation.

  253. Um, we learn our sexuality behind closed doors and in the dim light of the computer screen our sexuality remains hidden even from ourselves.

  254. We come to protect this isolation as some type of sacred space and even the thought of inviting another human in feels threatening and disruptive.

  255. The isolation fuels the secret life and separates us from the loving relationships that we most need.

  256. And so interestingly, though, um, some studies indicate that pornography use fosters sort of early, you know, earlier, more intense, um, and more, you know, more kinds of sexual relationships.

  257. In other cases, people find that they lack sexual desire for any other human being at all.

  258. Um, and aren't even attracted to their husband, wife, or partner, uh, anymore.

  259. Um, though they can still respond to porn.

  260. Um, uh, again, it sort of twists, twists us in all these kinds of ways.

  261. Uh, last, fantasy.

  262. Right?

  263. Fantasy is an escape from what is real.

  264. Whether it be difficult emotions such as stress, anxiety, or depression, or just the pain that genuine relationship inevitably brings, fantasy relieves those struggles for a moment.

  265. While healthy relationships live in the truth, pornography helps bolster a life of fantasy that is difficult to undo.

  266. Fantasy brings relief, but does not bring restoration.

  267. Uh, and there's research on the brain.

  268. Uh, pornography stimulates the same areas of the brain as addictive drugs, making the brain release the same chemicals.

  269. And just like drugs, porn triggers pathways in the brain that cause craving, leading users back for more and more extreme hits to get highs.

  270. These are only some of the, sort of, I focus on some of the effects of pornography on relationships.

  271. Um, there are many other effects.

  272. Uh, pornography use has contributed to many marital crises.

  273. It's a factor in the majority of divorces in the United States today.

  274. Uh, the industry also exploits children and women, subjecting them to violence, harassment, degradation, and sexually transmitted infections.

  275. Um, which are much higher among, uh, rates of which are much higher among, uh, pornographic actors.

  276. So, um, this is heavy stuff.

  277. But, what does, how does Christ offer us mercy, healing, and hope?

  278. Let me, uh, speak to sort of three broad categories of people.

  279. Um, and there are many, uh, subcategories here.

  280. But, broadly, if you are tempted by, or engaged in, or addicted to pornography,

  281. let me challenge you, uh, with some encouragements and next steps.

  282. First, don't try to fight this battle on your own.

  283. Get help from brothers or sisters in Christ.

  284. Um, you are certainly not alone.

  285. And, uh, don't, don't, don't, you know, in general, whenever we're fighting, you know, significant spiritual battles,

  286. uh, you know, Paul uses the image of the armor of God, right?

  287. Clothe yourself with the armor of God, right?

  288. A seal of faith, belt of truth, breastplate of righteousness.

  289. And we think of the, you know, okay, I need to put on the armor of God today and sort of go into the spiritual battle.

  290. But what was Paul's image?

  291. Paul's image was the Roman army.

  292. And you know how they marched into battle?

  293. Side by side with their shields right next to each other.

  294. And they would be a wall.

  295. And they'd have their shields in front.

  296. And then the guys in back would have their shields on top.

  297. So they'd have a wall and a ceiling protecting them all.

  298. And they'd be marching into battle side by side.

  299. That's what Paul's talking about when he talks about put on the full armor of God.

  300. He doesn't just, he doesn't only mean pray every morning and when, before you begin your day.

  301. But he means be walking side by side with your fellow believers to fight whatever spiritual battles you're fighting.

  302. So practically put filtering or accountability software on your computer or on smartphone if you haven't done that already.

  303. None of those are foolproof.

  304. But they can be helpful because it's one more thing that will sort of maybe hinder you from running down the road and going down a bad way.

  305. Right?

  306. Get accountability from people who will both encourage and challenge you.

  307. And this is a challenge.

  308. I would want to challenge you.

  309. Beware of getting accountability only from people who struggle and fall just like you do.

  310. Sometimes, especially young guys who are struggling with pornography,

  311. share their struggle with another young guy who's also struggling with pornography

  312. and not struggling so much as failing.

  313. And so you have someone who understands you and maybe who's going to be compassionate.

  314. But sometimes, you've actually got somebody who is too compassionate.

  315. And they're not going to kick your butt enough.

  316. And sometimes, you need to go to somebody who's maybe older than you or who maybe doesn't struggle with it,

  317. but who's a mature and wise Christian and who's going to be like,

  318. status quo ain't going to be good for the long run.

  319. We've got to make a dent in this.

  320. Right?

  321. We've got to figure out what we need to do by the power of Christ.

  322. Right?

  323. The best kind of accountability embodies the steadfast love of God the Father,

  324. the unwavering call to holiness in Christ,

  325. and the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit to lead us along that road.

  326. Because this sin is so pervasive, it should not be an off-limits topic in the Christian community generally.

  327. Partly why I'm teaching this session.

  328. Because we need to put the issue on the table

  329. and not have it be a topic that's like, oh, well, hush, hush.

  330. Okay, if you struggle with it, then you can tell me, but I'm not going to ever ask you.

  331. If you have a close Christian friendship with another person of the same sex,

  332. you know, it's not an unreasonable question to ask.

  333. How are you doing in, you know, sexual purity?

  334. Or, you know, whether you're single, whether you're married.

  335. We should be asking each other about sexual integrity in general and pornography in particular.

  336. You know, again, not sort of exclusively focusing on this issue.

  337. I mean, to, and ignoring other issues.

  338. We can also ask each other, how are you, you know,

  339. how are you seeking to, you know, use your money and resources to glorify God, right?

  340. That's another topic we don't like to talk about.

  341. We don't like to talk about money either, right?

  342. But Paul warns, again, sexual immorality and greed.

  343. And he says they're idolatrous, right?

  344. So, again, how do we encourage one another and help each other?

  345. For some people, this has become not just a sort of a struggle and a temptation that is occasionally fallen into,

  346. but more an addiction.

  347. And there are various resources.

  348. There are sex addiction recovery groups.

  349. There are Christian support groups in the local area.

  350. There are specialized Christian counseling resources.

  351. If you are not sure what would, what, if you're not sure what you need,

  352. and if you've tried sort of accountability with just brothers and sisters in Christ,

  353. and that is not, and you're like, man, I need more than this.

  354. I need help.

  355. Like, I think this is just, it's deep and it's bigger than I can handle.

  356. Come talk to one of the pastors.

  357. And we can, you know, connect you with somebody or sort of help you figure out maybe what a next step might be for you.

  358. Make it your primary goal to pursue Christ rather than making your primary goal to resist porn.

  359. The first includes the second.

  360. The second doesn't necessarily include the first.

  361. But Christ is infinitely more satisfying than porn,

  362. and his grace is sufficient for each day and for every trial we face.

  363. You need to not just ask yourself, what do I need to resist?

  364. But you also need to ask yourself, what do I need to embrace?

  365. Right?

  366. What do I need to pursue positively?

  367. Whether that's, you know, growing in your prayer life and in your time in the Word,

  368. whether that's pursuing Christian friendship,

  369. whether that's moving out of your studio apartment and looking for a group of other Christians

  370. who you can live in an apartment with.

  371. That can be a very practical thing.

  372. Whatever, you know, make it your primary goal to pursue Christ

  373. and look at his greatness.

  374. I think, right, so we shouldn't be looking at our,

  375. we shouldn't spend more time gazing at our sin

  376. than we're spending gazing upon the face of Christ.

  377. Right?

  378. And when we look at our sin, and yes, we need to look at our sin

  379. and see it for all its ugliness,

  380. and that's what we've done partly in the first part of this lesson,

  381. but we need to look at the glory of Christ

  382. because he is matchless and he is majestic and he's awesome

  383. and he's far more captivating.

  384. So how can you actively be fixing your eyes on Christ?

  385. Next, just practical things.

  386. Be truthful with your spouse or your girlfriend or boyfriend if you're dating

  387. about your sin and or struggle in this area.

  388. It may be painful and terrifying to willingly bring this into the light now,

  389. but it will be worse if you wait until later or if it comes to light unintentionally.

  390. Also, marriage does not automatically fix a single person's pornography habit.

  391. Okay?

  392. That is sometimes a reason people say,

  393. well, I'm not going to tell my girlfriend

  394. because when we get married, this will be fixed.

  395. Bad thinking.

  396. Right?

  397. There are many seasons of marriage that call for sexual self-control

  398. and sexual satisfaction within marriage,

  399. again, only happens in the context of intentionally, comprehensively,

  400. and self-sacrificially loving another person,

  401. which is exactly the opposite of what pornography and masturbation are training you to do.

  402. So, bring it into the light now,

  403. and in the context of doing these other things,

  404. to seek the help of Christ.

  405. Don't, along that line,

  406. don't make your spouse or your boyfriend or girlfriend

  407. the only person who knows about it.

  408. That is putting way too much of a burden on them.

  409. They are not, they should not be your only accountability partner.

  410. That's foolish.

  411. And unloving.

  412. You need to seek some other accountability

  413. with other Christians of the same sex

  414. that will help you and be a blessing

  415. to your wife or husband or boyfriend or girlfriend.

  416. A deeper thing.

  417. These are lots of things.

  418. You may not be able to do these all at once.

  419. Start with some of them,

  420. but I'm trying to give you a lot of things

  421. that maybe you haven't thought of.

  422. Because some of you have probably tried some of these things,

  423. but I want to challenge you to,

  424. that there are other things,

  425. and sometimes people are like,

  426. I've tried everything I can do,

  427. and it isn't working,

  428. and I'm stuck.

  429. And I think sometimes,

  430. okay, you've tried everything you can see,

  431. but there's probably some deeper things

  432. and broader things.

  433. Hopefully this might give you some ideas.

  434. All right.

  435. Examine the underlying motives

  436. and broader life patterns

  437. that drive you toward pornography

  438. rather than focusing only on behavior modification.

  439. So this is a longer, deeper thing.

  440. But this is often a longer process

  441. because we don't always know why we do what we do.

  442. Right?

  443. I don't even know what I'm feeling

  444. at most moments in my life

  445. because I'm a guy.

  446. Okay?

  447. My wife always knows what she's feeling

  448. at every moment of the day.

  449. She said,

  450. it's just like having a physical body.

  451. Of course I know what I'm feeling.

  452. It's like I know that,

  453. and she might know what I'm feeling.

  454. Exactly right.

  455. So she's very helpful to me.

  456. But I need to be intentional about saying,

  457. why am I feeling frustrated or angry or tired?

  458. Do I just need to sleep?

  459. Or is something really bothering me

  460. that I haven't brought to the surface

  461. and I need to deal with that?

  462. But examining our underlying motives,

  463. what drives me towards this?

  464. So one way to begin this process

  465. would be consider those six qualities

  466. in the article.

  467. Do any of those ring a bell?

  468. Right?

  469. Sorry for control.

  470. Objectifying others.

  471. Sort of impatience.

  472. Wanting everything to go very fast

  473. and quickly

  474. and not liking any uncertainty

  475. or slowness.

  476. Sort of a frantic need

  477. for another person

  478. or isolation

  479. or fantasizing.

  480. Right?

  481. Now, some of those might

  482. ring more true

  483. in one person's life

  484. than another.

  485. Right?

  486. I'm not saying everybody's experiencing

  487. all six.

  488. But then,

  489. say, okay,

  490. one or two of those

  491. really seem to hit home for me.

  492. What's going on there?

  493. Like,

  494. I'm fantasizing a lot.

  495. How can I be turning to Christ

  496. when I'm tempted to fantasize?

  497. Or,

  498. how can I be engaging

  499. in Christian community

  500. when I'm tempted to isolate?

  501. You know,

  502. Psalm 103.6 says,

  503. God satisfies our desires

  504. with good things.

  505. So,

  506. what are the good things

  507. that God has provided

  508. for our legitimate desires

  509. to either be satisfied

  510. or just to be

  511. put on the altar

  512. before the Lord?

  513. And to say,

  514. God,

  515. I have some unfulfilled desires

  516. and

  517. there isn't any

  518. righteous way for me

  519. to have those

  520. met right now.

  521. But,

  522. I want to lay them

  523. before you

  524. and offer them to you

  525. as a sacrifice

  526. and look at the sacrifice

  527. that you made for me

  528. on the cross

  529. and be empowered by that

  530. and

  531. draw near to you

  532. in

  533. my suffering

  534. and in my longing.

  535. His article also lists

  536. sort of corresponding virtues

  537. instead of control,

  538. freedom,

  539. instead of objectification,

  540. honor,

  541. instead of

  542. speed,

  543. patience,

  544. instead of hunger,

  545. desire,

  546. instead of

  547. isolation,

  548. communion,

  549. instead of

  550. fantasizing authenticity.

  551. So,

  552. I think that's

  553. helpful food for thought.

  554. Or,

  555. another

  556. way to begin this process,

  557. so,

  558. in Tim Chester's book,

  559. he talks about

  560. the most common reasons

  561. why people

  562. watch pornography.

  563. And I won't be able

  564. to remember them

  565. off the top of my head,

  566. but their

  567. boredom,

  568. frustration,

  569. depression,

  570. anxiety,

  571. you know,

  572. there's various reasons.

  573. And sort of asking,

  574. like,

  575. what is it for me

  576. that sort of

  577. drives me there?

  578. For some people,

  579. it's being angry,

  580. you know,

  581. for,

  582. there was

  583. one example

  584. where,

  585. for one guy,

  586. it was like,

  587. he was angry at God

  588. because he was 30-something

  589. and he wasn't married.

  590. And he really wanted

  591. to be married

  592. and he felt like

  593. God had done him wrong

  594. by not giving him a spouse.

  595. And so,

  596. when he really started

  597. dwelling on that,

  598. that's what brought him

  599. over there.

  600. And so,

  601. he didn't just need

  602. to focus on controlling

  603. his lust,

  604. he needed to deal with

  605. why am I,

  606. why do I feel like

  607. I'm entitled to something

  608. that God hasn't given me?

  609. And how do I need

  610. to change my thinking

  611. and reject that lie

  612. and embrace the truth

  613. that,

  614. first of all,

  615. God doesn't owe me anything

  616. and,

  617. second of all,

  618. you know,

  619. in Christ he's given me

  620. all that I need.

  621. Anyway,

  622. so,

  623. sometimes there's

  624. deeper things going on.

  625. These are good conversation

  626. topics to pursue

  627. with someone

  628. who knows you well

  629. or a wise older Christian.

  630. Also,

  631. pray for real people.

  632. Here's something practical

  633. to do

  634. that is not about yourself.

  635. Pray for real people

  636. who are directly harmed

  637. in the production

  638. of pornography.

  639. Children whose bodies

  640. are exploited,

  641. women who are pressured

  642. into violent

  643. and degrading acts

  644. or who have come

  645. to believe

  646. that such acts

  647. are just fine,

  648. normal and healthy.

  649. Producers and advertisers

  650. whose livelihoods

  651. are enmeshed

  652. in wickedness.

  653. Learn about the connection

  654. of the pornography industry

  655. to global sex trafficking.

  656. There is a connection.

  657. Consider how you can help

  658. people who are seeking

  659. to recover

  660. from the damage

  661. that has been inflicted

  662. on them.

  663. If you make a habit

  664. of praying

  665. for people every day,

  666. that might also

  667. have a beneficial effect

  668. when you're tempted

  669. to sort of

  670. be part of

  671. an exploitative industry.

  672. Right?

  673. That's another angle.

  674. There's books we can read.

  675. All right.

  676. Let me speak briefly

  677. to those who have been

  678. hurt by your spouse's

  679. pornography use.

  680. And let me begin

  681. by saying the last thing

  682. in this list is

  683. the pastors and elders

  684. recognize that these

  685. situations are often

  686. complex and a general

  687. statement of this kind

  688. cannot address

  689. every specific circumstance.

  690. However,

  691. we are always available

  692. for counsel and prayer.

  693. Just a few things.

  694. You have been deeply

  695. hurt and wronged.

  696. You may feel betrayed,

  697. deceived,

  698. or even traumatized.

  699. You may experience

  700. emotional,

  701. physical,

  702. and or psychological

  703. effects.

  704. All of those things

  705. are normal.

  706. Anger at your spouse

  707. is natural.

  708. It is often warranted,

  709. and it may persist

  710. for quite some time.

  711. A wise mentor

  712. or trustworthy counselor

  713. can help you process

  714. strong emotions

  715. and pursue a path

  716. of wisdom

  717. and resist temptations

  718. to either trivialize

  719. the problem

  720. or to harbor

  721. a bitter and vengeful

  722. spirit.

  723. Christ can heal

  724. your wounds.

  725. He knows the feeling

  726. of betrayal,

  727. but healing

  728. often takes time,

  729. particularly where

  730. it's gone on

  731. for a long time

  732. and it's involved

  733. deception.

  734. Healing often takes

  735. years rather than

  736. months or days.

  737. God wants to heal

  738. your marriage,

  739. however your spouse

  740. may or may not

  741. want to seek help.

  742. The encouragement

  743. and trusting hope

  744. of a spouse

  745. can be a great

  746. source of strength

  747. for one who is

  748. struggling to be pure.

  749. If your spouse

  750. is in denial

  751. or rejects help,

  752. the church is here

  753. for you and there

  754. are also support

  755. groups and counselors

  756. for spouses

  757. of addicted persons.

  758. Finally,

  759. for parents of

  760. children and youth,

  761. if you don't teach

  762. your kids about porn,

  763. the porn producers

  764. will teach your kids

  765. about porn for you.

  766. According to a study

  767. published in 2017

  768. by the American

  769. Psychological Association,

  770. the average age of boys

  771. first exposure

  772. to pornography

  773. was 13.

  774. Other studies

  775. have concluded

  776. the average age

  777. is as low as 11.

  778. And that means

  779. that half of children

  780. are exposed,

  781. or a large number

  782. of children

  783. are exposed

  784. even younger

  785. than the average.

  786. 60% of the young men

  787. in the APA study

  788. said that their

  789. first exposure

  790. was accidental

  791. or forced.

  792. Only 33% said

  793. that they were

  794. intentionally seeking

  795. it out.

  796. So just because

  797. your child

  798. is not seeking it out

  799. does not mean

  800. that they are not

  801. vulnerable to it.

  802. And I think

  803. this applies

  804. to every topic

  805. we have discussed.

  806. If you don't

  807. discuss it

  808. with your children,

  809. then the world

  810. will find plenty

  811. of ways

  812. to carry on

  813. that conversation

  814. with your children

  815. independently.

  816. And that's not,

  817. let's not do that.

  818. Some resources,

  819. be careful

  820. if you go online

  821. and search for

  822. resources about pornography.

  823. pornography.

  824. The pornography

  825. companies are shrewd

  826. and they notice.

  827. And they like

  828. to strategically

  829. place ads

  830. and draw people in.

  831. So just beware of that.

  832. There are some

  833. resources I've listed here

  834. which I want to

  835. open it up for questions.

  836. I'm not going to

  837. read through these

  838. but there's

  839. several resources

  840. for sort of

  841. generally for men,

  842. for women,

  843. for spouses,

  844. some science-based

  845. resources,

  846. some Christian-based

  847. resources.

  848. The book at the end

  849. is a good way

  850. to introduce

  851. these topics

  852. to your children.

  853. Good pictures,

  854. bad pictures.

  855. There's some other books.

  856. There's some books

  857. on the book,

  858. Saul,

  859. that are children's books

  860. that sort of

  861. introduce God's design

  862. for our bodies

  863. in very positive ways

  864. but also talk about

  865. sort of protecting

  866. our bodies

  867. and minds.

  868. So you can look

  869. through those

  870. and those can be

  871. helpful ways

  872. to introduce

  873. the topic

  874. to young children

  875. without getting

  876. unnecessarily graphic

  877. or sort of

  878. giving inappropriate

  879. and unhelpful

  880. level of detail.

  881. All right.

  882. Let me open it up

  883. for questions

  884. or comments.

  885. Yes.

  886. I was wondering

  887. if you were looking

  888. at me or behind me.

  889. So this is 64%

  890. admit, right?

  891. So that means

  892. the number's much higher

  893. because most people,

  894. you would think

  895. most people don't

  896. want to admit

  897. to this problem, right?

  898. Yeah,

  899. so the survey numbers

  900. are hard.

  901. I mean,

  902. now that survey

  903. is conducted

  904. by Covenant Eyes

  905. which is one of the

  906. companies that offers

  907. accountability software

  908. so you might also say,

  909. well,

  910. they probably have

  911. more people in their orbit

  912. who are actively,

  913. you know,

  914. dealing with pornography.

  915. But the statistic is

  916. admit to watching it

  917. once a month,

  918. at least once a month.

  919. So if it's less

  920. than once a month,

  921. then you're not counted

  922. in that list, right?

  923. So the number of men

  924. who have watched pornography

  925. at one time or another

  926. is above 90%.

  927. It's not 100%,

  928. but it is very high.

  929. So,

  930. what are we doing?

  931. What are we doing?

  932. Like,

  933. what are we teaching

  934. parents of young boys?

  935. What are we,

  936. like as a church,

  937. as a body of Christ,

  938. what are we doing

  939. for discipleship?

  940. This is something

  941. that we've been talking

  942. about a lot at home.

  943. Like,

  944. when a child

  945. is baptized,

  946. where's their mentor?

  947. Who's assigned

  948. to that child?

  949. What are we doing

  950. collectively

  951. as a church

  952. in America?

  953. I mean,

  954. I know it's

  955. an international problem,

  956. but what are we doing

  957. to prevent that number?

  958. That's a horrible number.

  959. Yeah.

  960. And for a young,

  961. single woman

  962. to know that basically

  963. any of my options

  964. of dating someone

  965. is someone

  966. who has a problem

  967. with this,

  968. you know?

  969. Like,

  970. that's a scary thought

  971. for myself.

  972. So what can we do

  973. as women,

  974. what can we do

  975. as a body of Christ

  976. to knock that number

  977. out of the park?

  978. Yeah.

  979. Yeah.

  980. Well,

  981. that's a good question.

  982. And,

  983. yeah,

  984. that's a good question.

  985. That's why we're

  986. having this class.

  987. Matt.

  988. I think

  989. this course

  990. has been

  991. absolutely tremendous.

  992. The biggest criticism

  993. I would have

  994. so far

  995. is that

  996. under parents

  997. you have so little.

  998. And

  999. I think

  1000. this is a huge issue

  1001. that

  1002. we need to

  1003. work through together

  1004. because there,

  1005. we may not have

  1006. a,

  1007. maybe there weren't

  1008. a lot of things

  1009. online,

  1010. you know,

  1011. or in books

  1012. for you to get

  1013. on this

  1014. because we haven't

  1015. wrestled with it too.

  1016. Yes.

  1017. Yeah.

  1018. So I,

  1019. a couple weeks ago

  1020. I addressed sort of

  1021. parents,

  1022. the importance of parents

  1023. teaching children

  1024. about sexuality

  1025. and gender

  1026. more broadly.

  1027. So I gave

  1028. some more detail

  1029. in that lesson.

  1030. I think

  1031. I would

  1032. also,

  1033. I mean,

  1034. I think that,

  1035. again,

  1036. this class is meant

  1037. to open,

  1038. this class is meant

  1039. to be the beginning

  1040. of conversations.

  1041. It is not meant

  1042. to be the last word

  1043. on everything.

  1044. So

  1045. take the opportunity

  1046. to

  1047. discuss that.

  1048. Again,

  1049. we've tried to put

  1050. some resources

  1051. on the book stall.

  1052. I should check

  1053. if good pictures,

  1054. bad pictures

  1055. is over there.

  1056. I'm not 100% sure

  1057. but we can get it

  1058. if we

  1059. need to.

  1060. Yeah.

  1061. I mean,

  1062. having,

  1063. having grandchildren

  1064. now and how

  1065. they raised our kids,

  1066. we didn't do it

  1067. perfectly and we were

  1068. probably seen as

  1069. very strict parents.

  1070. There were no

  1071. computers allowed

  1072. in their room.

  1073. There were no TVs

  1074. allowed in their room.

  1075. I mean,

  1076. yes,

  1077. we didn't deal

  1078. with the smartphone

  1079. issue but even

  1080. our kids weren't

  1081. allowed smartphones

  1082. until they were

  1083. in college.

  1084. So,

  1085. you know,

  1086. I mean,

  1087. we were very

  1088. strict and

  1089. what we watched.

  1090. We were very

  1091. vigilant on what

  1092. movies we allowed.

  1093. We did not

  1094. allow our kids

  1095. to go to our

  1096. rated movies.

  1097. We,

  1098. we didn't.

  1099. There's a whole

  1100. tip now of,

  1101. I mean,

  1102. you used to see

  1103. if a video store

  1104. opened up,

  1105. an adult video

  1106. or an adult toy

  1107. store,

  1108. there would be

  1109. protests outside

  1110. of it from a local

  1111. church or it was

  1112. too close to a school.

  1113. You don't see that

  1114. on the news anymore.

  1115. So,

  1116. but,

  1117. it's also correlated

  1118. with families

  1119. not going to

  1120. church anymore.

  1121. Families not

  1122. professing to be

  1123. Christians,

  1124. not even trying.

  1125. And,

  1126. well,

  1127. it's okay,

  1128. we'll handle it,

  1129. we'll talk about it

  1130. when it comes up.

  1131. So,

  1132. I mean,

  1133. even as much as

  1134. we do need to

  1135. parent as a church

  1136. and teach parents

  1137. how to deal with

  1138. this,

  1139. but we also need

  1140. to get people

  1141. back to Christ.

  1142. Yeah,

  1143. yeah.

  1144. Because if they

  1145. don't have it,

  1146. they don't see a

  1147. problem.

  1148. Yeah.

  1149. And even your

  1150. statistic in there

  1151. on Fifty Shades

  1152. of Grey

  1153. is a perfect

  1154. example of

  1155. women,

  1156. especially,

  1157. who have just

  1158. decided it's

  1159. okay,

  1160. it's not

  1161. harmful.

  1162. And the society

  1163. has embraced

  1164. that.

  1165. And I don't

  1166. know how many

  1167. of my secular

  1168. friends ask me,

  1169. so what do you

  1170. think of the book?

  1171. Because I read

  1172. like a book a week.

  1173. I'm an avid reader.

  1174. I'm like,

  1175. I refuse to read it.

  1176. Mm-hmm,

  1177. yep.

  1178. It's real life.

  1179. It's destructive.

  1180. It destroys people.

  1181. And they're like,

  1182. oh,

  1183. it's only a story.

  1184. And that's really

  1185. the base problem.

  1186. So I'll continue

  1187. to be a strict

  1188. parent and a

  1189. grandparent.

  1190. Yeah.

  1191. Because if I can

  1192. save my child

  1193. or my grandchild

  1194. from being harmed

  1195. like that,

  1196. I'll do what I

  1197. can.

  1198. Yeah.

  1199. Yeah.

  1200. I think,

  1201. yeah,

  1202. yeah.

  1203. No,

  1204. I think,

  1205. I mean,

  1206. I think there's

  1207. a broader issue

  1208. as parents

  1209. with how do

  1210. we sort of

  1211. govern our

  1212. children's access

  1213. technology,

  1214. right?

  1215. Like,

  1216. you know,

  1217. and,

  1218. I mean,

  1219. have,

  1220. you know,

  1221. do you,

  1222. have you,

  1223. you,

  1224. and there are

  1225. technologies out

  1226. there that you

  1227. can limit on a

  1228. phone or a

  1229. tablet,

  1230. like you,

  1231. you can limit

  1232. it to access

  1233. to certain

  1234. things.

  1235. I mean,

  1236. we don't,

  1237. you know,

  1238. we don't let

  1239. our,

  1240. you know,

  1241. if our kids

  1242. are watching

  1243. a movie,

  1244. it's in the

  1245. living room

  1246. or it's in,

  1247. you know,

  1248. we don't send

  1249. our kids up

  1250. to their room

  1251. with,

  1252. you know,

  1253. with,

  1254. with a phone

  1255. to play a

  1256. game,

  1257. right?

  1258. Like,

  1259. that's,

  1260. we don't offer

  1261. that that much

  1262. anyway.

  1263. But I think,

  1264. and I think

  1265. along with those,

  1266. I think along

  1267. with setting

  1268. wise boundaries,

  1269. it's also

  1270. sort of teaching,

  1271. I think we have

  1272. to start by

  1273. teaching our

  1274. kids what was

  1275. God's good

  1276. design in

  1277. making us male

  1278. and female,

  1279. in giving us

  1280. bodies,

  1281. and in

  1282. putting us

  1283. in this

  1284. world,

  1285. right?

  1286. Because just

  1287. setting boundaries

  1288. and trying to

  1289. say,

  1290. well,

  1291. I hope I

  1292. can protect

  1293. them from

  1294. encountering

  1295. this junk

  1296. out in the

  1297. world,

  1298. we have to

  1299. equip,

  1300. eventually children

  1301. are going to

  1302. grow up and

  1303. leave the house

  1304. and figure out

  1305. how they're going

  1306. to live their

  1307. lives.

  1308. So I think

  1309. we have to

  1310. begin by talking

  1311. about what is

  1312. God's good

  1313. design here?

  1314. What is beautiful

  1315. about God's

  1316. design?

  1317. Because when we

  1318. see what's

  1319. beautiful about

  1320. God's design,

  1321. then you see

  1322. how twisted

  1323. that the

  1324. world is.

  1325. And the

  1326. other things

  1327. don't become

  1328. quite so

  1329. attractive.

  1330. And also,

  1331. you know,

  1332. it's like,

  1333. you know,

  1334. when kids at

  1335. school start

  1336. talking about

  1337. these things,

  1338. oh,

  1339. well,

  1340. okay,

  1341. I know what

  1342. they're talking

  1343. about because

  1344. my dad

  1345. already talked

  1346. to me about

  1347. that,

  1348. right?

  1349. That's what I

  1350. want my kids

  1351. to,

  1352. you know,

  1353. that's,

  1354. we've already,

  1355. you know,

  1356. we've talked

  1357. to our kids

  1358. about all

  1359. these things.

  1360. So,

  1361. Laura?

  1362. Yeah,

  1363. this is something

  1364. that I think,

  1365. I think the

  1366. strict things

  1367. are great,

  1368. I mean,

  1369. our kids are

  1370. still very

  1371. young,

  1372. but just

  1373. from working

  1374. before with

  1375. kids and

  1376. you've like,

  1377. a mom,

  1378. you know,

  1379. like somebody

  1380. showed them

  1381. their kids

  1382. something,

  1383. you know,

  1384. like another

  1385. kid showed

  1386. them,

  1387. and someone

  1388. else saw

  1389. someone at

  1390. someone's

  1391. home by

  1392. accident.

  1393. Kids are

  1394. also going

  1395. to see it

  1396. no matter,

  1397. hopefully not,

  1398. but it's

  1399. very easy to

  1400. be seen no

  1401. matter how

  1402. strict we can

  1403. be.

  1404. So those

  1405. conversations

  1406. that if,

  1407. when,

  1408. or if this

  1409. happens,

  1410. like,

  1411. what to do

  1412. with that?

  1413. Right,

  1414. right.

  1415. If you see,

  1416. if you,

  1417. if,

  1418. you know,

  1419. if someone

  1420. shows you

  1421. something like

  1422. this,

  1423. come and talk

  1424. to,

  1425. you know,

  1426. mom or dad,

  1427. right?

  1428. Like,

  1429. that's important

  1430. to sort of

  1431. cultivate an

  1432. open channel

  1433. of communication

  1434. with all kinds

  1435. of things,

  1436. you know?

  1437. Not only,

  1438. you know,

  1439. not only

  1440. inappropriate

  1441. images,

  1442. but,

  1443. you know,

  1444. we want

  1445. our kids to,

  1446. we don't

  1447. cultivate our

  1448. kids talking

  1449. with us about

  1450. whatever they

  1451. may encounter

  1452. in the world

  1453. and,

  1454. and for us

  1455. to help them

  1456. grow in wisdom

  1457. and to protect

  1458. them from,

  1459. you know,

  1460. foolish,

  1461. and to not

  1462. foolishly expose

  1463. them unnecessarily

  1464. to things,

  1465. right?

  1466. So,

  1467. yeah.

  1468. Ivor.

  1469. When I was

  1470. working at

  1471. AT&T,

  1472. we had at

  1473. least five

  1474. guys who got

  1475. fired over

  1476. surfing,

  1477. at work.

  1478. Yeah.

  1479. And that's

  1480. usually when

  1481. people get

  1482. caught doing

  1483. something,

  1484. either at

  1485. work or

  1486. by their

  1487. spouses or

  1488. children in

  1489. some cases.

  1490. Yeah.

  1491. When they

  1492. seek help,

  1493. don't wait

  1494. for that.

  1495. Right.

  1496. Right.

  1497. Seek help.

  1498. Right.

  1499. Again,

  1500. it's that

  1501. pattern of

  1502. it's probably

  1503. didn't start

  1504. on the office

  1505. computer,

  1506. but it's,

  1507. it just

  1508. grows,

  1509. right?

  1510. So,

  1511. yeah.

  1512. be killing

  1513. sin or

  1514. it will

  1515. be killing

  1516. you,

  1517. right?

  1518. John Owen

  1519. said that

  1520. 300 years

  1521. ago.

  1522. So,

  1523. you know,

  1524. we're,

  1525. yeah,

  1526. right?

  1527. We're either

  1528. sort of

  1529. actively fighting

  1530. against it

  1531. or it will

  1532. gradually tend

  1533. to balloon,

  1534. right?

  1535. Because it's

  1536. not something

  1537. that is,

  1538. that sort of

  1539. gets satisfied.

  1540. what's your

  1541. definition of

  1542. pornography

  1543. at the

  1544. beginning of

  1545. removing sexual

  1546. acts from the

  1547. intimacy of

  1548. partners for

  1549. the,

  1550. being played

  1551. for other

  1552. people?

  1553. How would

  1554. you distinguish

  1555. pornography from

  1556. like Song of

  1557. Solomon where we

  1558. see sexuality

  1559. being portrayed

  1560. artistically?

  1561. Yeah,

  1562. yeah.

  1563. I mean,

  1564. I think when you

  1565. read Song of

  1566. Solomon,

  1567. there's,

  1568. there's a lot

  1569. of imagery

  1570. and,

  1571. how would I

  1572. describe that?

  1573. So,

  1574. it celebrates

  1575. God's good

  1576. and beautiful

  1577. design,

  1578. right?

  1579. So,

  1580. we're not

  1581. saying that

  1582. your body's

  1583. dirty and

  1584. you need to

  1585. hide it and

  1586. not talk about

  1587. it and

  1588. I guess when

  1589. you get married

  1590. then you can

  1591. figure out what

  1592. to do with it.

  1593. That's not,

  1594. that's not,

  1595. that's not good.

  1596. That's not,

  1597. that's not God's,

  1598. that's not God's

  1599. good and beautiful

  1600. design,

  1601. right?

  1602. So,

  1603. Song of Solomon

  1604. sort of talks

  1605. about love

  1606. and,

  1607. and a sexually

  1608. intimate relationship

  1609. but it,

  1610. it's also not

  1611. voyeuristic,

  1612. right?

  1613. It's not something

  1614. that is sort of

  1615. inciting lust,

  1616. you know,

  1617. it's,

  1618. it's not

  1619. stirring up

  1620. sort of an

  1621. ungodly

  1622. kind of

  1623. curiosity

  1624. or shame.

  1625. I mean,

  1626. the most

  1627. difficult thing

  1628. about Song

  1629. of Solomon

  1630. for most

  1631. of us

  1632. is like

  1633. all the

  1634. imagery

  1635. is from

  1636. the ancient

  1637. world

  1638. and we

  1639. can't figure

  1640. out what

  1641. to do

  1642. with it,

  1643. right?

  1644. So,

  1645. part of it

  1646. we have to

  1647. figure out

  1648. like,

  1649. you know,

  1650. okay,

  1651. what does

  1652. this actually

  1653. mean?

  1654. but,

  1655. but I think

  1656. broadly speaking

  1657. I think

  1658. Song of Solomon

  1659. affirms that

  1660. there's a

  1661. right place

  1662. to celebrate,

  1663. you know,

  1664. and even in

  1665. that case

  1666. sort of

  1667. depict in

  1668. poetry,

  1669. right,

  1670. the love

  1671. and intimacy

  1672. between a

  1673. male and

  1674. female,

  1675. but it's

  1676. not,

  1677. it's not

  1678. in a way

  1679. that sort

  1680. of promotes

  1681. like impurity

  1682. or sensuality

  1683. and in fact

  1684. at the end

  1685. of the Song

  1686. of Solomon

  1687. it's like,

  1688. I mean,

  1689. throughout the

  1690. Song of Solomon

  1691. it's like,

  1692. don't awaken

  1693. love until

  1694. it so desires,

  1695. right?

  1696. You know,

  1697. at chapter 8

  1698. it's all about

  1699. be a wall,

  1700. right?

  1701. Don't be a

  1702. door opening

  1703. and,

  1704. you know,

  1705. like to open

  1706. to everybody.

  1707. No,

  1708. be a wall

  1709. like until

  1710. you get

  1711. married,

  1712. right?

  1713. So,

  1714. even the end

  1715. of Song of Solomon

  1716. sort of gives

  1717. that warning

  1718. against,

  1719. you know,

  1720. and it sort

  1721. of compares

  1722. itself to,

  1723. you know,

  1724. Solomon has

  1725. all his wives

  1726. and concubines

  1727. but I have

  1728. my one,

  1729. right?

  1730. My one is

  1731. better than

  1732. all of those,

  1733. right?

  1734. So,

  1735. it's promoting

  1736. sort of godly

  1737. ideals,

  1738. right?

  1739. Monogamy,

  1740. marriage,

  1741. sort of tender

  1742. intimacy between

  1743. husband and

  1744. wife.

  1745. So,

  1746. I don't think

  1747. that's the right

  1748. place to start

  1749. with teaching

  1750. children.

  1751. I think

  1752. that's not,

  1753. you know,

  1754. there was

  1755. probably some

  1756. wisdom in the

  1757. Jewish rabbinical

  1758. tradition that

  1759. said,

  1760. you know,

  1761. don't read

  1762. Song of Songs

  1763. until you're

  1764. an adult.

  1765. I don't know,

  1766. I wouldn't,

  1767. I'm not gonna,

  1768. that's not a law,

  1769. but there's

  1770. probably some

  1771. wisdom in there,

  1772. but I think it

  1773. can teach us,

  1774. sort of,

  1775. I think it can

  1776. give us a

  1777. positive example

  1778. of that.

  1779. So,

  1780. all right,

  1781. let me close

  1782. the prayer

  1783. when we need

  1784. to head

  1785. upstairs.

  1786. Thank you,

  1787. Lord,

  1788. for this

  1789. morning,

  1790. and we

  1791. pray that

  1792. you would

  1793. help us

  1794. as a church,

  1795. help us

  1796. to,

  1797. in teaching

  1798. our children,

  1799. help us

  1800. in strengthening

  1801. one another

  1802. to pursue

  1803. a life of

  1804. holiness in

  1805. this area

  1806. that gives

  1807. honor and

  1808. praise to

  1809. you.

  1810. We thank

  1811. you for

  1812. the redemptive

  1813. work of

  1814. Jesus Christ,

  1815. and we pray

  1816. that you would

  1817. continue that

  1818. work in our

  1819. lives and in

  1820. our marriages

  1821. and in our

  1822. relationships with

  1823. one another

  1824. in the church.

  1825. In Jesus'

  1826. name,

  1827. amen.