Sermon
The Founders of New Haven and Their Spiritual Vision
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All right.
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All right.
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Well, it was on the 25th of April, 1638, the Sabbath,
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that a party of newly arrived pilgrims
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gathered beneath the spreading boughs of a giant oak,
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a spot which would later become the corner of College and George Street.
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No doubt you know it here in New Haven.
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Well, they blessed their God for his great mercies upon them hitherto
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and entreated his sustaining aid in the realizing of their great errand,
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as they called it.
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There were two ministers on board in their company.
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The first was John Davenport.
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There he is, a fellow in the black with a collar.
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However, he held forth in the morning upon the text,
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Jesus was led up of the Spirit into the wilderness.
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The second was Peter Pruden.
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His charge was the afternoon charge.
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And he held forth from the verse,
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the voice of one crying in the wilderness.
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Clearly, they were in agreement as to where they were.
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This was the wilderness for them.
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So, who were these first pilgrim settlers to New Haven?
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And what was their errand in the wilderness?
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What dreams were in their breasts
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which drove them to leave hearth and home,
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kith and kin,
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in their beloved old England,
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and endure the perils of the sea,
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the privations of a wilderness,
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from bitter winters and wild beasts
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to the potential hostility of the natives?
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Well, our first forefathers and mothers,
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for there were many brave women among them,
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who gathered under the shelter of that oak
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that Sabbath in 1638,
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in the beginnings of New Haven,
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were Puritans.
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And to understand their passions and their hopes,
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we must go back to old England
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and the period of Reformation
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in which they were bred.
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So, who were the Puritans?
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Well, in Europe,
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at the time of the Reformation,
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sovereigns of state
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were profoundly involved
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in the religions of their land.
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Indeed, without exception,
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religious beliefs and practice
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were governed and established
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by king, prince, and parliament.
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So, the story of the Reformation in England
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is not simply, what was that,
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not simply a tale of the spread of gospel.
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Would help me to have a little bit more...
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Is that all right?
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Just so I can see these notes.
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It's completely...
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But I could make this stuff up,
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but it'll have a better ring
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if I bother to read.
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So, the story of the Reformation in England
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is, thank you,
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is not simply a tale of the spread
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of gospel conviction
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as the scriptures,
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freshly translated by William Tyndale,
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made its impact among the people.
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It's also the story
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of kings and queens
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shaping creed and worship
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by means of law
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and edict
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that were police-enforced,
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in fact.
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So, here we go.
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Oh, there was John Davenport.
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There's another picture of him.
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Let me see if I...
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Nah, here we go.
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King Hal.
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And really,
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in that regard,
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the story begins
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with the much-married
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Henry VIII
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who first broke with Rome
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rejecting leadership
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of the Church of England,
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rejecting Rome's leadership
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of the Church of England,
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and substituting
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his own royal self
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as head of the Church.
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But in contrast to Luther,
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King Henry VIII
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had very little quibble
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with the teachings
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of Roman Catholicism.
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Indeed, he was awarded
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the title
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from the Pope himself,
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Fide Defensor,
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or Defender of the Faith,
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for his writings against Luther.
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And indeed,
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Fide Defensor
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still remains
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on the English coinage today.
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So, under King Henry VIII,
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the Church remained Catholic.
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It simply ceased
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to be Roman Catholic
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in that sense,
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as Thomas Hooker,
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later that Puritan
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of Connecticut,
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would put it.
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Henry's mistake
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was that he cut off
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the head of potpourri,
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but he left the body of it
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within his realm.
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Okay.
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So, during the brief reign
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of Henry's son,
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Edward VI,
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England moved closer
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to the Reformation churches
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on the continent.
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Archbishop of Canterbury,
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Thomas Cramner,
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established contacts
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with John Calvin
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and Luther's lieutenant,
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Philip Melanchthon,
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and brought over to England
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two of the principal
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Reformation leaders,
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Peter Martyr Vermilli
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and Martin Busser,
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to assume chief teaching posts
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at Oxford and Cambridge
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universities
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to train up
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the next generation
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of ministers
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for the Church of England.
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And their influence
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was profound.
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But,
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alas,
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short-lived
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for their Protestant-leaning
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royal patron,
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died young,
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and was succeeded
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by his half-sister,
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Mary.
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There she is.
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What an expression.
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Now,
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Mary was a vehement
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Roman Catholic
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and determined
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to reverse
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any Reformation gains
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in England.
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So,
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history would add
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to her name
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the epithet
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bloody,
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for in her brief
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reign of terror,
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1553 to 1558,
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she blackened
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the skies
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with the smoke
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from the burning flesh
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of unrecanting
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Protestants.
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There we go.
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300
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fed
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the flames.
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800
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fled the country
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to escape
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that fiery fate
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and to keep
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the cause alive
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in exile.
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And Fox's
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Book of Martyrs
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gains much
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of its material
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from those
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crying days.
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If
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Bloody Mary
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was convincingly
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cast as
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Jezebel
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by the godly,
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her successor
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and half-sister,
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Queen Elizabeth
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I,
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was
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hailed
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in her
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coronation
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among the
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Protestants
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in exile
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and in hiding
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as the
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new Deborah.
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Very,
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very hopeful.
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She restored
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the Reformed
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faith to the
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realm
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and staffed
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her church
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with the
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returning
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exiles.
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But these
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returning
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exiles
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had tasted
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the fruit
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of the best
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of the
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Reformation
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churches
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on the
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continent.
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Geneva,
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Zurich,
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Strasbourg,
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and Frankfurt.
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As one
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exile expressed
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his enthusiasm
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for the
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church in
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Geneva,
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he called
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it the
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most perfect
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school of
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Christ since
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the day of
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the Apostles.
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Thus,
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the Reformed
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churches on
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the continent
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shaped their
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hopes for
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the Church
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of England.
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But,
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these bright
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and blessed
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hopes were
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soon blighted.
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For headstrong
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Elizabeth,
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did not
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shy from
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exercising
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her role
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as head
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of the
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church,
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and determined
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that a
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via media,
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a middle
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way,
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would be the
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path the
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Church of
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England would
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tread,
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and tread
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in lock
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step,
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in utter
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and uncompromising
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conformity.
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Such was
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the Elizabethan
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settlement,
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and it
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proved exceedingly
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unsettling to
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many a
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Protestant,
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committed to
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thorough
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biblical
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reformation of
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the Church.
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For Elizabeth's
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efforts to
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accommodate,
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remember she
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lived in a
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realm in
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which there
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were many
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Protestants
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and many
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Catholics,
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it involved
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a strange
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hybrid
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compromise
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of
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Protestant
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doctrine.
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That's what
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the Protestants
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are going to
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really care about,
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they're going to
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really care about
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doctrines,
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let's give
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them the
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doctrine,
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but we'll
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give the
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Catholics the
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ritual,
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needs to
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appear like
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it used to
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be for
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them,
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so that's
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how we'll
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do this.
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So you
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combine in
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the Church
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of England
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services,
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Catholic
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ritual with
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Protestant
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doctrine.
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Well,
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in the
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minds of
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many of
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the
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Reformation
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folk,
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this royally
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sanctioned
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Church of
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England
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represented a
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very unhappy
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compound,
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a potpourri,
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if you will,
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of potpourri
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and gospel.
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Sorry.
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And as
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such,
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woefully
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inadequate for
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their
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consciences,
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were very
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ill-disposed
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to half
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measures in
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God's
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causes.
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How can
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we have
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half measures
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in God's
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causes?
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As one
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wrote to
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the Queen,
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the spelling
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is certainly
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unorthodox
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here, I'll
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try to read
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it well,
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your majesty
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hath so
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insufficiently
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heard,
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believed,
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and taken
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to heart
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what God
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hath commanded
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you,
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and so
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weakly and
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coldly obeyed
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and followed
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the same,
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that but
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halfly by
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your majesty
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hath God
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been honored,
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his church
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reformed and
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established,
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the people
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taught and
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comforted,
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his enemies
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rejected and
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subdued,
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and his
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lawbreakers
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punished.
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So what
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were some
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of these,
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what they
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called
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popish
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remnants
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that indeed
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needed to be
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purged in
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the minds
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of the
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Puritans?
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Well, they
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did not
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like the
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vestments,
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the clothing,
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the apparel
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that ministers
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were required
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to wear,
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for these
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carried over
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from Roman
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Catholic
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conviction,
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which modeled
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the attire
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of the
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priests on
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the Levitical
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priesthood.
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As appropriate,
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it was thought
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and it was
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urged for a
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priestly caste
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as they
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continued,
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like their
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Levitical
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forebearers,
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to offer
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sacrifice,
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that is,
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the sacrifice
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of the
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body of
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Christ in
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the mass.
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So you
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see how
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the apparel
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matched this
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doctrine that
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they had of
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the mass being
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a sacrifice
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of the body
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of Christ.
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And the
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Puritans
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thought,
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why reinforce
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in costume
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a doctrine
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we disbelieve?
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Yea,
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find abhorrent.
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Why would
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we do this?
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Then there
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were such
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vestiges as
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the observance
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of saint
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days,
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so many
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holidays or
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holy days,
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singing,
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signing the
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cross in
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baptism and
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addressing
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questions to
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the infant.
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Well,
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thought the
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Puritans,
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this was
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simply
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superstition
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at best
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and perhaps
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incompatible
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with scriptural
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worship,
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at least not
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according to
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scripture.
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As John
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Field wrote
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of the
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Book of
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Common Prayer,
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that was the
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required text and
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rubric for
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worship,
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it be an
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imperfect book
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called and
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picked out of
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the popish
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dunghill,
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the mass
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book,
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full of all
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abominations,
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for some of
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the contents
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therein be
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such as are
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against the
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very word
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of God.
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puritan.
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So it was
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this passion
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to purify
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the worship
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of the
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church that
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gained the
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reforming party,
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the epithet,
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for it was
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originally spoken
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in derision by
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their opponents,
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Puritan,
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would roll off
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the tongue in
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contempt,
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Puritan,
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you're trying to
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purify the
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church.
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And indeed
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they were,
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as Bishop
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John Jewell
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wrote,
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Now that the
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full light of
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the gospel
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has shone
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upon us,
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the very
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vestiges of
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error must,
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as far as
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possible,
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be removed.
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Now notice,
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as far as
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possible.
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For the
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sovereign still
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dictated in
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the matter,
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as it was a
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national church.
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So appeal
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had to be
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directed to
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the sovereign
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her royal
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self,
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or efforts
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made through
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the parliament
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to change
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what you were
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going to do
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in the church.
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And the
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agonizing
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question for
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Protestants,
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especially the
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ministers in
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the Church of
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England at the
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time,
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was how much
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compromise
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they could
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live with
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in good
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conscience.
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And this
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was very
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agonizing for
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them.
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When their
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pleas for
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change were
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unavailing,
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what do
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you do?
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Must the,
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as they
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called the
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popish dung,
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be removed
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completely,
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as opposed to
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according to
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the sovereign's
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good pleasure
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and good
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measure?
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And must it
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be removed
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immediately,
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and not simply
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at the
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sovereign's
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leisure?
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These were
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the grand
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issues.
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This burning
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question was
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answered variously
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among the
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godly.
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Some urged
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reformation,
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without
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tarrying for
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any,
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without waiting
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for anyone.
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They gave
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up on the
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magistrate in
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the state
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church,
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separating
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themselves from
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them.
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These were
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called the
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separatists,
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or Robert
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Brown was of
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this view,
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so sometimes
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the separatists
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were called
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Brownists.
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The separatists
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denied that the
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Church of
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England was a
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true church
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at all.
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It was
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apostate.
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And they
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gathered their
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own congregations.
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Among those
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separatist
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congregations would
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be the first
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Plymouth colony,
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1620.
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They were a
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separatist
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congregation.
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So others,
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while eye to
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eye with the
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separatists in
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terms of virtually
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all matters of
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doctrine, they
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agreed on all
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of that, they
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agreed that the
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English church
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was contaminated
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and in need of
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reform, but
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thought, well,
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it's still a
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true church.
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It's just a
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corrupted one.
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So that was the
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difference between
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the separatists.
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No, no, no,
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it's not even a
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true church.
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It's so
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compromised.
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Versus many of
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the Puritans
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that said, well,
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it's corrupted,
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but they still
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count as the
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people of God.
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A church in
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which one
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could remain
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laboring hopefully
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for reform.
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This boat might
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be going down,
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but let's still
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try to bale
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water and make
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it as good as
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possible.
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And of this
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latter persuasion
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that the church
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is just corrupted,
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not hopeless,
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of this latter
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persuasion was a
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gifted and rising
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minister in
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London.
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There he is.
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There he is.
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John Davenport.
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Church of St.
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Stephen's there
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in London.
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1597 to 1670.
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He was a
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stirring and
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scriptural preacher,
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well beloved in
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his growing
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congregation to
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whom he bravely
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ministered through
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the terrible plague
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of 1625 when
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35,000 in
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London were
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carried off by
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the pestilence.
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He stayed at
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his post,
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didn't head up
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to Scotland
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where it was
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so cold that
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not even insects
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can live.
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So his great
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compassion also
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came to the
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fore in his
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leadership in
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raising a
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collection for
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the relief of
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refugees.
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This was very
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close to his
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heart.
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The persecuted
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Protestant
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brethren of the
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Palatinate who
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were displaced and
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distressed through
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religious wars.
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There.
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His zeal for
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further reform of
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the English
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church prompted
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an effort to
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raise funds also
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to buy up
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pulpits and
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lectureships.
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So what you
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could do is you
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could buy the
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right from the
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bishop to decide
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who the minister
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was going to be.
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So you could buy
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up the pulpit.
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And they would
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just raise money
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to do this.
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It was called
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the Fia Feast.
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So you could
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fill the pulpits
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with godly
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reformed preaching.
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Well both of
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these enterprises
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ran foul of
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William Laud.
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This is where
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Raul you're
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supposed to
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hiss.
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There we go.
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Okay.
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There we go.
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The bane of
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Puritans who
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became Archbishop
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of Canterbury in
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an English church
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which under
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James I and
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then Charles I
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was self-consciously
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moving farther and
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farther from
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Puritan hopes.
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Indeed self-consciously
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anti-reformation.
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Now to this
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point Davenport
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was still able
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to claim
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conformity to
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the Church of
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England requirements
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as distasteful as
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they were to
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him.
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He still wore
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the costume.
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He still made
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the sign of the
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cross and
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baptism.
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He still knelt
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at the communion
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rail to the
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host and these
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things that he
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disliked greatly.
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He considered
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these matters
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relatively
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unimportant,
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relatively minor,
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irksome
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gravamina they
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called it,
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at least relative
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to the preaching
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of the gospel
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that we can do
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which conformity
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allowed them to
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continue to do
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and from in his
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case a prominent
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London hope.
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So that was a
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paradox.
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Can you feel this?
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If we just conform
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on some of these
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things we'll still
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be able to keep
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preaching and people
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are coming to
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Christ.
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So how much can
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we bend our
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consciences on this?
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And this is where
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we're going to
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do it.
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But all the
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while Davenport
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is turning these
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matters over in
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his mind and
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keeping hundreds
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of pages of
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notes which
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reflect the
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evolution of
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his convictions
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under the
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heading,
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the grounds
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whereupon the
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safety of
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conformity is
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built together
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with the
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sandiness of
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them.
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The sandiness
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of them.
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His conviction
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about conformity
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was slowly
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shifting.
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But the
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decisive turning
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point for
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Davenport came
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in a crucial
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meeting.
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Two of the
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great lights
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among the
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Puritan party
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were John
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Cotton,
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the first,
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John Cotton,
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and Thomas
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Hooker.
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They had
-
weighed up
-
matters and
-
concluded that
-
the state and
-
prospects of the
-
church in England
-
were too dire
-
and resolved to
-
start afresh in
-
New England.
-
Well, before
-
they embarked,
-
Hooker and
-
Cotton,
-
Davenport,
-
distraught that
-
such champions
-
of the truth be
-
lost to the
-
gospel cause in
-
England, he
-
hoped to
-
reclaim these
-
esteemed
-
brethren, so
-
met for them to
-
plead with them
-
to stay.
-
But by their
-
conference, he
-
did not persuade
-
Cotton and
-
Hooker to
-
remain, it
-
rather shook
-
Davenport's
-
conviction about
-
conforming, and
-
soon he would
-
follow them into
-
their errand
-
across the sea.
-
So what was it
-
that Cotton told
-
Davenport that
-
persuaded him to
-
follow in this
-
pilgrimage?
-
Well, we have a
-
letter of John
-
Cotton in which he
-
gives the reasons
-
for his and Mr.
-
Hooker's removal
-
to New England.
-
And he writes,
-
this is Cotton,
-
John Cotton,
-
it hath been no
-
small inducement
-
to us to
-
choose rather to
-
remove hither,
-
this to New
-
England, rather
-
than to stay
-
there, Old
-
England, that we
-
might enjoy the
-
liberty not of
-
some ordinances
-
of God, but of
-
all, and all
-
in purity.
-
Sure, in
-
England,
-
congregations enjoy
-
the means of
-
salvation, and
-
may it be
-
continued and
-
enlarged to
-
you, yet, I
-
go on quoting
-
Cotton, seeing
-
Christ hath
-
instituted no
-
ordinance in
-
vain, but all
-
to the offering
-
of the body of
-
Christ, the
-
people of God,
-
and we know
-
that our souls
-
stand in need
-
of all of
-
these ordinances
-
to the utmost.
-
We durst not so
-
far be lacking
-
to the grace of
-
Christ as to
-
the necessity of
-
our own, and to
-
the necessity of
-
our own souls as
-
to set down
-
somewhere else,
-
New England,
-
under the shadow
-
of some ordinances
-
in Old England,
-
when by two
-
months travail,
-
we might come to
-
enjoy liberty of
-
all.
-
Okay.
-
Did you catch
-
that?
-
For here is the
-
essence of the
-
matter.
-
He was saying,
-
it's not enough,
-
Davenport would
-
agree, it is not
-
enough that we
-
enjoy the blessing
-
of God merely in
-
some of what God
-
has given us in
-
his directives for
-
our worship.
-
He has given
-
us, God has
-
given us no
-
directives pointlessly.
-
We have to
-
follow all of
-
them, and
-
follow all of
-
them very
-
carefully.
-
Our souls
-
stand in need
-
of, and
-
you remember,
-
you heard the
-
phrase, all to
-
the utmost.
-
All to the
-
utmost.
-
This is
-
Puritanism.
-
All that God
-
has given us is
-
our obligation and
-
our blessing.
-
Let us not let
-
one of his
-
commandments, even
-
the supposed
-
least, fall to
-
the ground.
-
Let us give all
-
diligence to
-
follow fully, all
-
to the utmost.
-
All to the
-
utmost.
-
Well, this was the
-
vision that made
-
the pilgrims, or
-
Puritans, pilgrims,
-
go on pilgrimage,
-
go on pilgrim
-
wayfair, that
-
burned in the
-
breast of John
-
Davenport and his
-
little band of
-
settlers who
-
gathered under
-
that oak, that
-
first Sabbath in
-
1638.
-
The first letter
-
we have from
-
Davenport's pen
-
perfectly echoes
-
the language of
-
cotton and
-
hooker.
-
Davenport writes,
-
the Lord our God
-
hath here bestowed
-
upon us the
-
greatest outward
-
privilege under
-
the sun, to
-
have and enjoy
-
all his
-
ordinances
-
purely dispensed
-
in a church
-
gathered and
-
constituted according
-
to God's own
-
mind in all
-
things.
-
So that was
-
their ambition.
-
But their ambition
-
was not merely to
-
gather and to
-
constitute a church
-
according to God's
-
mind in all
-
things.
-
Every aspect of
-
society was to
-
reflect the mind
-
of God as
-
revealed in
-
scriptures.
-
The design of
-
this plantation
-
is religion,
-
openly proclaimed
-
Davenport as he
-
arrived.
-
And none of
-
his followers,
-
fellow settlers,
-
dissented on this
-
matter.
-
There was utter
-
agreement.
-
At the close of
-
the first day,
-
a day of fasting
-
and prayer,
-
they all solemnly
-
subscribed to a
-
plantation covenant.
-
So this is the
-
beginning of New
-
Haven,
-
plantation covenant.
-
Quote,
-
that in matters
-
that concern the
-
gathering and
-
ordering of a
-
church,
-
so likewise in
-
all public
-
offices which
-
concern the
-
civic order,
-
we would all
-
of us be
-
ordered by those
-
rules which the
-
scriptures hold
-
forth to us.
-
It's incredibly
-
comprehensive.
-
Indeed, none
-
but what the
-
scriptures directed.
-
Quote,
-
the word of God
-
shall be the
-
only rule to
-
be attended
-
unto in the
-
ordering of the
-
affairs of the
-
government of this
-
plantation.
-
So we don't want
-
to just look
-
through a book of
-
aphorisms or
-
Bartlett's quotes
-
of wisdom.
-
No, just the
-
Bible.
-
That's it.
-
That's all we're
-
going to look on.
-
We'll do this.
-
Davenport was
-
convinced that
-
what they
-
established right
-
at the beginning
-
would be critical.
-
For in his sad
-
experience in
-
England and from
-
wider observations,
-
he maintained that
-
once Reformation
-
is brought about,
-
it is rarely
-
afterwards carried
-
on even one
-
step further
-
than the first
-
Reformers achieved
-
in their first
-
endeavors.
-
As he put it,
-
quote,
-
as easily might
-
the Ark,
-
Noah's Ark,
-
as easily might
-
the Ark have
-
been removed from
-
the mountain of
-
Ararat,
-
where it first
-
grounded as a
-
people get any
-
ground in
-
Reformation after
-
and beyond the
-
first remove of
-
the Reformers.
-
So, if their
-
first shot had to
-
count, they
-
would make it
-
count.
-
And accordingly,
-
and again in
-
Davenport's word,
-
we must drive
-
things in their
-
first essay, or
-
first attempt, as
-
near to the
-
precept and
-
pattern of
-
Scripture as
-
they can be
-
driven.
-
That's what we
-
want to do.
-
They would
-
endeavor in the
-
words of Cotton
-
Mather, quote,
-
a yet stricter
-
conformity to
-
the word of
-
God in
-
settling of
-
all matters,
-
both civil and
-
sacred, than
-
had yet been
-
seen exemplified
-
in any other
-
part of the
-
world.
-
It's remarkable,
-
remarkable
-
distinctive here
-
of New Haven,
-
New Haven
-
Colony.
-
Even the
-
layout, the
-
nine squares,
-
you'll kind of
-
recognize that.
-
This is the
-
original, even
-
the layout of
-
the town,
-
drew upon
-
scriptural
-
models.
-
How do we
-
plan this
-
thing?
-
Well, what
-
sort of
-
biblical
-
directives do
-
we have?
-
Well, how
-
about the
-
way the
-
tribes of
-
Israel went
-
through the
-
wilderness,
-
gathered around
-
the central
-
tabernacle?
-
So the
-
meeting house
-
will be right
-
in the center,
-
and we'll put
-
everything around
-
that.
-
Oh, good.
-
Well, where
-
will we put
-
Theophilus
-
Eaton's house?
-
Where will we
-
build his
-
house?
-
Well, where
-
was Moses'
-
tent in
-
relation to
-
the tabernacle?
-
Well, it was
-
on the east
-
side of the
-
tabernacle.
-
We'll build
-
Theophilus Eaton
-
the governor's
-
house there.
-
How about
-
John Davenport,
-
the minister?
-
Well, where
-
did Aaron
-
have his
-
tent?
-
We'll build
-
Davenport's
-
house there.
-
You see?
-
I mean, they're
-
really working
-
this thing.
-
They are really
-
working it.
-
The meeting
-
house, of
-
course, in
-
the center.
-
What was
-
it like?
-
Well, for
-
one thing, it
-
was cold.
-
They spent a
-
lot of time in
-
that meeting
-
house.
-
Church was
-
the people,
-
as you know,
-
the meeting
-
house.
-
Really cold.
-
The women
-
would bring
-
no heating
-
at all.
-
The women
-
would bring
-
in warming
-
pans.
-
It was kind
-
of like an
-
old-fashioned
-
iron where
-
you put
-
coals in
-
it and you
-
slip it
-
under your
-
feet.
-
The men
-
thought this
-
was beneath
-
them.
-
We don't
-
need warming
-
pans.
-
So what
-
they would
-
do so
-
their feet
-
wouldn't
-
freeze is
-
they would
-
bring in
-
their hunting
-
dogs and
-
they would
-
train them
-
to sit
-
down at
-
their feet
-
to just
-
warm them
-
with all
-
the fluff.
-
In
-
consequence,
-
it's
-
hilarious,
-
do you
-
realize one
-
of the
-
actual
-
official
-
diaconal
-
posts in
-
the first
-
church there
-
in New
-
Haven was
-
called the
-
dog whipper.
-
They actually
-
had a deacon
-
devoted to
-
taking care of
-
all the
-
dogs that
-
were in
-
the
-
sanctuary
-
because dogs
-
were welcome
-
in the
-
church,
-
in the
-
meeting
-
house.
-
How else
-
were you
-
going to
-
warm your
-
feet if
-
you were
-
a man
-
other than
-
hunting dogs?
-
So,
-
yeah,
-
the dog
-
whipper.
-
Though my
-
favorite
-
diaconal
-
post was
-
one was
-
designated
-
the wielder
-
of the
-
tickle
-
wand.
-
A tickle
-
wand?
-
Just to
-
make sure
-
that no
-
one missed
-
a potential
-
edification if
-
they started
-
to doze
-
off.
-
There was
-
someone that
-
had basically
-
a long
-
pool cue.
-
It had
-
mercifully a
-
feather at
-
one end,
-
but less
-
so a
-
thorn at
-
the other
-
end.
-
So you
-
would first
-
try to
-
tickle them
-
in the
-
earlobe,
-
and if
-
they
-
couldn't
-
wake
-
them up,
-
you'd
-
pick that
-
and get
-
them.
-
Make sure
-
they didn't
-
miss
-
edification.
-
It seemed
-
that they
-
liked
-
edification.
-
I remember
-
reading through
-
these
-
manuscripts of
-
some of
-
the first
-
sermons
-
that were
-
preached
-
there,
-
and I
-
see this
-
little
-
notation.
-
At the
-
end of
-
the thing,
-
someone
-
had written
-
it and
-
said,
-
they begged
-
for another
-
glass.
-
I thought,
-
what does
-
that mean?
-
Just really
-
good refreshments?
-
Is it good
-
ale?
-
I need
-
another glass
-
of ale?
-
And then I
-
went to
-
this old
-
Puritan
-
meeting house,
-
and at the
-
lectern,
-
there was a
-
big iron
-
arm,
-
and I
-
discovered
-
it had
-
held
-
originally,
-
they would
-
have hour
-
glasses.
-
So when
-
the preacher
-
would come,
-
Davenport
-
would turn
-
over the
-
hour glass,
-
and he
-
would preach
-
to them
-
for an
-
hour.
-
And if
-
particularly
-
the spirit
-
was moving
-
and people
-
were feeling
-
that the
-
gospel was
-
evangelizing
-
their hearts
-
and changing
-
them,
-
they would
-
beg for
-
another glass.
-
In other
-
words,
-
turn that
-
thing over
-
and keep
-
preaching to
-
us.
-
The spirit
-
is afoot
-
here.
-
That's
-
mixing
-
metaphors.
-
The spirit
-
is at work
-
here.
-
So they
-
would beg
-
for another
-
glass.
-
So that's
-
the church.
-
Civil
-
code.
-
Oh,
-
another
-
fun thing.
-
all the
-
children
-
had to
-
sit in
-
the back
-
row
-
interleaved
-
with the
-
young men
-
in full
-
arms.
-
They thought
-
in case
-
there would
-
be a
-
Native
-
American
-
raid,
-
so you
-
would always
-
attend,
-
if you
-
were a
-
young man,
-
you would
-
have to
-
attend
-
church
-
in your
-
full
-
arms,
-
sword and
-
everything.
-
And they
-
thought,
-
oh,
-
this is
-
handy.
-
We'll
-
have the
-
little
-
uproarious
-
kids sit
-
between
-
fully
-
armed
-
people to
-
make sure
-
that they
-
stayed
-
quiet.
-
So,
-
there's
-
another
-
provision
-
that they
-
had.
-
The
-
civil
-
code.
-
Well,
-
they
-
determined
-
that they
-
would adopt
-
the laws
-
of Moses.
-
Despite
-
the fact
-
that they
-
were
-
English,
-
they did
-
not bring
-
over English
-
common
-
law.
-
Sometimes
-
when I
-
mention this
-
to groups
-
a little bit
-
less sympathetic
-
perhaps than
-
this one,
-
I hear this
-
audible shriek,
-
how barbaric,
-
the laws
-
of the
-
Bible.
-
And so
-
I quickly
-
then ask,
-
remind them
-
that the
-
period
-
alternative
-
would have
-
been English
-
common
-
law.
-
And English
-
common
-
law prescribed
-
over 150
-
offenses that
-
were capital
-
offenses.
-
You pick up
-
sticks on the
-
Lord's land
-
and they'll
-
kill you.
-
And then I
-
say,
-
well,
-
how many
-
capital
-
offenses do
-
you think
-
the Mosaic
-
law has?
-
Thousands!
-
No,
-
11.
-
11.
-
So really
-
this was the
-
height of
-
legal progressivism
-
to take over
-
the Old
-
Testament
-
laws.
-
Well,
-
how did
-
this practically
-
work out?
-
Well,
-
when someone
-
did something
-
wrong,
-
the appointed
-
governor,
-
in the first
-
instance it was
-
Theophilus
-
Eaton,
-
he'd call
-
him over
-
and they
-
would open
-
their Bibles
-
together
-
and look
-
in the Bible
-
and he
-
would admonish
-
the offender
-
from the
-
scriptures
-
and then
-
if there
-
needed to
-
be a
-
repentance
-
or if there
-
was a
-
punishment,
-
he would
-
prescribe that
-
from the
-
scriptures.
-
And if he,
-
the governor,
-
Theophilus Eaton,
-
had any hesitation,
-
he would
-
consult
-
Greg,
-
Matt,
-
or Nick.
-
Well,
-
in this case,
-
Davenport,
-
consult Davenport
-
as to how to
-
read the scriptures
-
on these matters
-
and then they
-
would settle
-
the matter.
-
Modern studies
-
have been
-
extremely
-
impressed
-
at how
-
hospitable
-
this court
-
was,
-
particularly
-
to women.
-
Their
-
testimony
-
was credited
-
in
-
sexual abuse
-
charges
-
every time.
-
Very
-
impressive,
-
very impressive.
-
The image
-
that we
-
often have
-
of
-
over-criminalizing,
-
an over-criminalizing
-
law,
-
images of
-
stalks or
-
whippings or
-
that sort of
-
thing,
-
it just doesn't
-
bear out.
-
In the
-
first decade,
-
and we have
-
complete records,
-
in the first
-
decade,
-
there were
-
six cases
-
of fornication.
-
Then
-
seven
-
in the
-
second
-
decade,
-
three of
-
bestiality
-
in the second
-
decade,
-
only two
-
convictions,
-
three cases,
-
no cases
-
of adultery.
-
That was
-
criminal.
-
No cases
-
of adultery.
-
Very little
-
crime.
-
Very little
-
crime.
-
That's
-
right.
-
Who
-
was
-
entrusted
-
with running
-
of the
-
state?
-
Well,
-
only the
-
members of
-
the church
-
in good
-
standing
-
could hold
-
official
-
state
-
offices.
-
churches.
-
It was
-
thought
-
that only
-
they
-
would have
-
the
-
certain
-
assured
-
integrity
-
to perform
-
that role
-
blamelessly.
-
Indeed,
-
only church
-
members were
-
given voting
-
rights in
-
matters of
-
the state.
-
So,
-
just to give
-
you a sense,
-
the first
-
decade,
-
64%
-
of the
-
New Haven
-
men were
-
church members.
-
We have
-
that.
-
So,
-
you know,
-
it would
-
have been
-
about two
-
thirds there.
-
Now,
-
this
-
arrangement
-
was actually
-
not a
-
power grab
-
of the
-
elect.
-
When they
-
came in
-
under
-
Davenport,
-
they asked
-
the question
-
who should
-
be able to
-
have offices
-
and they
-
voted.
-
And the
-
vote was
-
absolutely
-
unanimous.
-
Even those
-
that were not
-
church members
-
at the time
-
actually voted,
-
no,
-
no,
-
no,
-
we only
-
want church
-
members in
-
good standing.
-
To govern
-
us.
-
We trust
-
them.
-
They have
-
integrity.
-
They have
-
to.
-
It's a
-
high bar
-
to become
-
a church
-
member around
-
here.
-
I didn't
-
make it.
-
So,
-
yeah,
-
I want to
-
have that
-
there.
-
There's
-
integrity
-
for you.
-
So,
-
that's what
-
they decided.
-
That's what
-
they decided.
-
And who
-
was admitted
-
as a church
-
member?
-
This,
-
the purity
-
of the
-
church,
-
was Davenport's
-
one of his
-
greatest
-
concernments,
-
as he put
-
it.
-
The first
-
church was
-
gathered
-
August 22nd,
-
1639,
-
right after
-
they arrived,
-
twelve men
-
of heartfelt
-
faith and
-
blameless
-
deportment
-
were chosen
-
as the
-
nucleus,
-
and they
-
in turn
-
would admit
-
others at
-
their
-
scripture-governed
-
discretion.
-
So,
-
to join
-
the church,
-
one was
-
given a
-
rigorous
-
doctrinal
-
examination.
-
Basically,
-
had they
-
grasped the
-
gospel?
-
had they
-
grasped
-
what
-
flesh and
-
blood
-
could not
-
reveal?
-
And then,
-
in corroboration,
-
had the
-
gospel grasped
-
them?
-
Was there
-
indication of
-
gospel fruit
-
in their
-
lives?
-
Attesting to
-
a gospel
-
root in
-
their hearts?
-
inheritance.
-
If this
-
proved a
-
credible
-
account,
-
that is,
-
as they
-
put it,
-
with
-
regeneration
-
visibly
-
manifested
-
to the
-
charitable
-
discernment
-
of the
-
church.
-
It has
-
to be some
-
manifestation
-
that you
-
are
-
regenerated,
-
charitably
-
assessed
-
by the
-
church,
-
by the
-
others,
-
then they
-
would be
-
called upon
-
to enter
-
into
-
covenant,
-
a church
-
covenant,
-
to forswear
-
all former
-
pollutions,
-
to make
-
Jesus Christ
-
your only
-
priest and
-
atonement,
-
your only,
-
these are all
-
quotes from
-
thereof,
-
your only
-
guide and
-
king,
-
and walk
-
before him
-
in all
-
subjection to
-
all his
-
holy ordinance
-
according to
-
the rule of
-
the gospel,
-
and to walk
-
together with
-
his church
-
and the
-
members
-
thereof,
-
in brotherly
-
and sisterly
-
love,
-
and mutual
-
edification
-
and succor
-
according to
-
God.
-
So to
-
this,
-
covenant
-
members were
-
held strictly
-
accountable.
-
You went
-
on to the,
-
if you signed
-
on to the
-
covenant,
-
you would be
-
held accountable.
-
In this
-
mutual
-
accountability,
-
they seem
-
to have
-
had no,
-
to be no
-
respecter of
-
persons,
-
even the
-
wife of
-
governor
-
Theophilus
-
Eaton,
-
we have,
-
one of the
-
early
-
censures.
-
She was
-
excommunicated.
-
So that
-
meant she
-
had to
-
sit just
-
outside the
-
meeting hall
-
so you
-
could hear
-
the sermon
-
still because
-
that would
-
help you
-
to grow,
-
but you
-
had to
-
sit outside
-
the meeting
-
hall.
-
Well,
-
New Haven
-
Colony
-
quickly gained
-
the reputation,
-
even within
-
Puritan New
-
England,
-
for being
-
zealous for
-
the purity
-
of the
-
church,
-
admitting
-
only genuine
-
believers,
-
the regenerate,
-
and excluding
-
all of the
-
faithless.
-
As
-
judgment
-
was fallible,
-
it needs
-
to be
-
charitable,
-
as Davenport
-
said,
-
with due
-
moderation
-
and gentleness.
-
Cotton
-
Mather
-
of Boston
-
wrote of
-
Davenport
-
in the
-
New Haven
-
Church,
-
quote,
-
he used
-
more than
-
ordinary
-
exactness
-
in trying
-
those that
-
were admitted
-
under communion
-
of the
-
church.
-
Indeed,
-
so very
-
thoroughly,
-
I had
-
almost said
-
severely,
-
strictly,
-
were the
-
terms of
-
his
-
communion,
-
and so
-
much,
-
I had
-
well nigh
-
said,
-
over much,
-
were the
-
golden
-
snuffers of
-
the sanctuary
-
employed by
-
him in the
-
exercise of
-
discipline toward
-
those that
-
were admitted,
-
that he did
-
all that was
-
possible to
-
render the
-
renowned
-
church of
-
New Haven
-
like the
-
New Jerusalem.
-
That was
-
their aim.
-
John
-
Davenport
-
was hopeful
-
of a pure
-
church as he
-
believed in
-
what was
-
called the
-
Middle
-
Advent,
-
a time
-
before
-
Christ's
-
physical
-
return of
-
great spirit
-
outpouring,
-
enabling a
-
great measure
-
of holiness
-
that anticipated
-
the heavenly
-
New Jerusalem.
-
So this was
-
their eschatology.
-
There will be
-
a great outpouring
-
of the Holy
-
Spirit,
-
so we ought
-
to really be
-
able to do
-
this.
-
We ought to
-
be able to
-
do this
-
well.
-
That worked
-
out for them.
-
Good point.
-
How did that
-
work out for
-
them?
-
He was
-
disappointed
-
at the end
-
of his life.
-
Surprise,
-
surprise.
-
This Middle
-
Advent hope
-
near the end
-
of Davenport's
-
life became
-
subject to
-
no small
-
discouragement.
-
The next
-
generation of
-
churchgoers
-
across New
-
England did
-
not seem to
-
be widely
-
exercising the
-
Spirit's
-
regenerating
-
power.
-
Having been
-
baptized as
-
infants in
-
the majority
-
of New
-
England
-
churches,
-
including
-
New Haven,
-
the hope
-
was with
-
maturity under
-
the preaching
-
of the
-
gospel,
-
these infants
-
that had
-
been baptized
-
would have
-
come to
-
saving faith
-
and own
-
the covenant,
-
a covenant
-
that they had
-
been made
-
part of by
-
birth to
-
regenerate
-
parents.
-
That's how
-
they did
-
this back
-
in the
-
day.
-
But, as
-
it turned
-
out, many
-
of these
-
baptized
-
children,
-
when grown,
-
did not
-
experience
-
regenerating
-
grace.
-
Oh, they
-
faithfully
-
attended and
-
lived moral
-
lives, but
-
they did not
-
have the new
-
birth.
-
Accordingly,
-
even though
-
members of
-
the church,
-
they could
-
not take the
-
Lord's Supper
-
because they
-
had no
-
evidence in
-
the judgment
-
of charity
-
of regeneration.
-
Thus, they
-
were unregenerate
-
members of
-
the church of
-
New Haven.
-
And these
-
unregenerate
-
members of the
-
church also
-
married,
-
naturally,
-
and had
-
children
-
themselves.
-
themselves.
-
The question
-
then arose,
-
do we
-
baptize the
-
children of
-
unregenerate
-
parents like
-
we do of
-
regenerate
-
parents?
-
we ever
-
only thought
-
it appropriate
-
to baptize
-
children of
-
the visible
-
saints, the
-
elect, those
-
who we knew
-
were regenerate,
-
thought Davenport.
-
We only ever
-
thought it
-
appropriate to
-
baptize those
-
children.
-
But should we
-
not also let
-
this next
-
generation of
-
children be
-
baptized?
-
Their parents
-
want them to
-
be baptized?
-
baptized?
-
Wouldn't it
-
be better to
-
bring them
-
into the
-
church?
-
Many of the
-
New England
-
churches said
-
yes.
-
And the
-
provision was
-
called the
-
halfway covenant.
-
But John
-
Davenport,
-
New Haven,
-
set himself
-
like Flint
-
against the
-
halfway covenant.
-
In his
-
mind,
-
bringing into
-
the church
-
church,
-
those who
-
were not
-
even children
-
of the
-
godly,
-
they're not
-
children of
-
the godly,
-
would surely
-
water down
-
the purity
-
of the
-
church.
-
Rather than
-
loosen the
-
requirements for
-
membership,
-
we should
-
urge people
-
to repent
-
and believe
-
the gospel
-
and be
-
converted.
-
converted.
-
Well,
-
of course,
-
John
-
Davenport
-
was right
-
about how
-
bringing
-
into the
-
church the
-
unregenerate
-
would compromise
-
its purity.
-
but had not
-
the camel
-
already gotten
-
its nose
-
in the tent
-
by ever
-
admitting
-
the
-
unregenerate
-
into membership
-
which is done
-
when you
-
baptize infants
-
in the first
-
place.
-
Whether
-
children of
-
the godly
-
regenerate
-
or not.
-
So the
-
problem was
-
even
-
the New
-
Haven
-
Church,
-
zealous
-
for purity,
-
had two
-
ways to
-
enter the
-
covenant.
-
By saving
-
faith,
-
new birth,
-
but also
-
by natural
-
birth,
-
simply being
-
born to
-
regenerate
-
parents or
-
church members.
-
Two ways
-
into the
-
covenant.
-
John
-
Davenport
-
was worried,
-
rightly,
-
that the
-
halfway
-
covenant
-
would widen
-
the door
-
for once
-
born folk
-
into the
-
church.
-
The
-
connection
-
to
-
regeneration
-
is not
-
simply
-
parents now,
-
but
-
grandparents.
-
And perhaps
-
what?
-
Ancestors?
-
Or just
-
hereditary?
-
Is that the
-
way it's
-
going to
-
go?
-
Says
-
Davenport?
-
Really?
-
Are we
-
going to
-
do this
-
in New
-
England?
-
But of
-
course the
-
door had
-
already been
-
opened by
-
infant
-
baptism
-
itself,
-
which is
-
membership
-
in church
-
by hereditary.
-
By hereditary.
-
So these
-
poor Puritans
-
had their
-
knickers all
-
in a twist,
-
it seems to
-
me,
-
trying to
-
resolve this
-
conundrum.
-
The problem,
-
of course,
-
was infant
-
baptism
-
itself,
-
admitting
-
into the
-
church by
-
infant
-
baptism,
-
the
-
unsaved.
-
what was
-
the
-
covenant
-
status
-
of these
-
baptized,
-
unsaved
-
members?
-
What
-
covenant
-
were they
-
in?
-
Not the
-
new
-
covenant,
-
for one
-
is in the
-
new covenant
-
only by
-
spiritual
-
relation to
-
Christ by
-
faith.
-
But what
-
other covenant
-
is there in
-
operation?
-
it was all
-
hopelessly
-
confused.
-
Ironically,
-
and delightfully,
-
supporters of
-
the halfway
-
covenant told
-
John Davenport
-
that his
-
arguments against
-
the halfway
-
covenant
-
actually undercut
-
infant baptism
-
itself,
-
and supported,
-
get ready for
-
this,
-
the Baptist
-
cause.
-
Oh!
-
John Davenport
-
would not
-
pass laws
-
against the
-
Baptists.
-
He was
-
tolerant of
-
them in
-
New Haven.
-
I like to
-
think he was
-
on his way.
-
At least we
-
know he's a
-
Baptist now.
-
No, I
-
didn't say
-
that.
-
I didn't say
-
that.
-
I didn't say
-
that.
-
It was
-
true.
-
It was the
-
unscriptural
-
practice of
-
infant baptism
-
which was the
-
fatal flaw in
-
the realization
-
of John
-
Davenport's
-
great concernment
-
for a pure
-
church.
-
It would be
-
left for the
-
Baptists to
-
take up John
-
Davenport's
-
scriptural
-
vision of a
-
pure church
-
and show a
-
more excellent
-
way.
-
Well, and so
-
we part with
-
this witness,
-
a polished
-
shaft in the
-
hands of
-
Christ.
-
Whoops, that
-
was the end.
-
So, maybe
-
one final
-
lesson.
-
A life
-
lived unto
-
God is
-
worth any
-
every
-
unsettlement.
-
That's one
-
of the things
-
that this
-
story of the
-
first colonist
-
tells me.
-
If you
-
were to
-
respond to
-
the call
-
of God
-
upon your
-
life,
-
what
-
unsettlement
-
might it
-
cause?
-
Any upheaval?
-
Back in
-
old England,
-
they were
-
urged to
-
settle down
-
at ease
-
in the
-
Elizabethan
-
settlement.
-
But they
-
felt it
-
would require
-
of them
-
that they
-
trim the
-
edges of
-
a wholehearted
-
response to
-
God's call.
-
And they
-
were convinced
-
that in the
-
call of God
-
upon their
-
lives, they
-
dare not
-
respond in
-
any way
-
less than
-
in all
-
things to
-
the utmost.
-
And so
-
theirs was
-
an unsettled
-
life in
-
terms of
-
outward
-
matters.
-
Relatively
-
trivial matters
-
of outward
-
sustenance,
-
but supremely
-
settled in
-
terms of
-
their deepest
-
core conviction
-
that the
-
pearl of
-
great price
-
was worth
-
any cost
-
to obtain.
-
Well, let
-
me end
-
there, and
-
I think we
-
probably have
-
five minutes
-
maybe, in
-
case there
-
are some
-
questions.
-
Yes?
-
It sounded
-
like Davenport
-
right at the
-
beginning when
-
he organized
-
the church
-
required evidence
-
of regeneration.
-
Yes?
-
Were there
-
people who
-
came, you
-
know, maybe
-
you don't, and
-
said, well, wait
-
a second, I was
-
baptized as an
-
infant, so I
-
am a member
-
of the church, so
-
I don't need
-
this examination.
-
No, nobody
-
brought that
-
up.
-
They all
-
agreed that
-
in order to
-
be able to
-
take communion,
-
in other words,
-
to be a
-
member in
-
good standing,
-
to be able to
-
take communion,
-
you had to
-
have evidence
-
of regeneration.
-
So that's the
-
way, so you
-
have to have
-
evidence of
-
regeneration.
-
In the
-
judgment of
-
charity.
-
In the
-
judgment of
-
charity.
-
Let's give
-
people the
-
benefit of the
-
doubt.
-
But yes?
-
Yes, so what
-
they would see
-
is, is there
-
any evidence in
-
your life that
-
you follow
-
Christ, that the
-
dominant influence
-
in your life is
-
Christ?
-
Do you ever
-
give up anything
-
for Christ?
-
Or do you
-
live for the
-
world, the
-
flesh, and the
-
devil?
-
people, is
-
there any
-
evidence that
-
for anything in
-
your life, I
-
will reject
-
this and not
-
walk down this
-
path because of
-
Christ, my
-
allegiance to
-
Christ?
-
So that sort of
-
thing.
-
So any of the
-
fruit of the
-
spirit would be
-
evidence of this
-
sort of thing.
-
So, yeah.
-
Who decided?
-
Well, the
-
elders.
-
So there were
-
twelve at the
-
time.
-
The elders in
-
the judgment.
-
So the elders
-
would make a
-
recommendation, but
-
the church would
-
decide that.
-
The congregation.
-
They were
-
congregationals.
-
So the church
-
had to actually
-
vote on that.
-
Yeah?
-
I think I heard
-
you, the statistics
-
was like 64%
-
were in good
-
standing.
-
So did those
-
others come all
-
that way thinking
-
that I want to
-
live that way,
-
I want to live
-
to this new
-
country, you
-
part of his
-
covenant plantation
-
and then did he
-
pass the test?
-
Yes.
-
Were they coming
-
because they're
-
like, oh yeah,
-
I can get my
-
land grabbed,
-
start business.
-
I mean, I'm just
-
curious about that.
-
So, yeah.
-
I mean, that's not
-
much better than
-
half.
-
Right.
-
It was two
-
thirds.
-
But yes, many of
-
them would have
-
come recognizing
-
I'm not yet
-
regenerate.
-
I hope to be.
-
And I think my
-
best prospects of
-
becoming regenerate,
-
faith comes by
-
hearing, hearing by
-
the word of God.
-
John Davenport is
-
a remarkable
-
preacher.
-
I will follow him
-
to the ends of
-
the earth because
-
I want to be
-
regenerate.
-
I'm not yet.
-
The spirit of God
-
has not softened
-
my heart, but I'm
-
hopeful.
-
I'm not regenerate
-
yet, but I'm
-
hopeful.
-
So they could have
-
been very, very
-
sincerely hoping to
-
become regenerate,
-
desiring it vehemently,
-
but the penny
-
hadn't dropped for
-
them yet.
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Hard to search the
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hearts.
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You know, are there
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some?
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If I was going
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to cross the
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ocean in the
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1600s, I'd have
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been believing
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in God, too.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And I would have
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dropped God as
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soon as I...
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You're right.
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Yes.
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John, is there
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anything in the
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writing of the
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readers of the
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time called
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self-doubt or
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about whether
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they're kind of
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close to
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division over the
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brother and
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people?
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And this is
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very close to
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division.
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Well, yeah, they
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felt like they
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were involved in
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each other's lives.
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They had small
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groups.
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They had small
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groups, kind of
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like we do.
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People were
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involved in each
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other's lives.
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The women were
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very involved.
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There was a lot
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of lay involvement.
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So this was a
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big part of your
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life.
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So people knew
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each other well.
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So yes, they
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thought that they
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could be involved
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in each other's
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lives.
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And were.
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That's a common
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group that you
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continue to know
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through it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And what you
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do is if you
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got too big,
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you'd have another
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little church and
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you'd be in
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Brantford.
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Then you'd be in
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Guilford.
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Then you'd be,
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you know, so
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you'd have other
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churches that were
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not so large that
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it was impossible.
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We're not talking
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mega churches here.
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So yes.
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Yeah, Mike.
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Just so I
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think you want to
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clarify, there was
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a whole more
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apology or a
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whole set way of
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how we would
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determine whether
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a person was
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regenerative.
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There were steps
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they had to
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follow.
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A lot of them
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actually laid it
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out.
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Yeah.
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So it wasn't so
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subjective as we
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might think it
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was.
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I don't agree with
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that morphology,
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but it was very
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much put, they all
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understood that
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there were the
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steps they had to
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go through with
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penance and
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so forth and all
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that.
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And if they didn't
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follow them
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exactly, usually
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the elders said,
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well, you've got to
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go back and get
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the steps right.
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That's right.
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So they had
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thought about this
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very carefully.
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And one of the
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things that you
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would experience,
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you would give an
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account and you'd
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say, you experience
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the terrors of the
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law or the
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thunders of Sinai.
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I feel myself to be
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completely undone, a
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sinner, and there's
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no hope in myself.
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I've come to the end
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of myself.
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So you would have
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to, you couldn't
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just say, hey, I'm
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just feeling really
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comfortable about my
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faith.
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You know, I just
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feel so consoled.
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No, you had to
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experience the
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terrors of Sinai and
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the law and your
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inability to fulfill
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it before you could.
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So there was a
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morphology, as Mike
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says, a whole sequence
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that they had
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down.
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They thought a lot
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about this.
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That's right.
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So it wasn't, they
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would have said, this
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is not subjective.
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This is the biblical
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account that we are
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following.
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So we are looking
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for precise things.
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So, yeah, it
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wasn't just, hey, I
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like this guy.
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No, no.
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Yeah.
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Team, we should
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probably head up
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because it's five
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minutes.
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Next week, Lord
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willing, we'll talk
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about the founding
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of Yale, the
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founding of Yale
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College and the
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vision there.
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Thank you.