Sermon
Women We Should Know and Honor: Selina Hastings, Countess of Huntingdon
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All right. Well, welcome, team. It's great to have you. This is what a fun inaugural experience.
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What a beautiful space. We're really grateful. I'm not quite sure how this is going to unfold.
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This is kind of experimental. The first service is going on. It usually goes on for about an hour or so.
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So I'm not going to speak at you for an hour. I promise you that.
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We'll just cover some material and then we can ask questions and then discuss some things.
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But if you need to get up, if you need to spread around, do whatever you need to do to stay comfortable.
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And remember, there's probably going to be another service after this, so I don't want to compromise that.
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So if you need to get up and you need to walk around, that won't bother me in the slightest.
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Do whatever you need to do to stay comfortable.
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And I thought we might begin by singing one of those hymns we've passed out.
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Which one did we pick, Elizabeth?
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Come Thou Fount.
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Okay. Come Thou Fount. I think I know that one.
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Great.
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So, all right.
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Let's do that.
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Come Thou Fount of every blessing.
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Tune my heart to sing Thy grace.
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Streams of mercy never ceasing.
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Call for songs of loudest praise.
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Teach me some melodious sonnet.
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Sung by flaming tongues above.
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Praise the name I've fixed upon it.
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Name of the redeeming love.
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The next one.
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Is there another verse?
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Yeah.
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I just don't know which one it is.
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God has blessed me.
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God has brought me to this place.
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And I know by Thy name.
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Me safely home by Thy good grace.
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Jesus sought me when a stranger.
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Wandering from the fold of God.
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He to rescue me from danger.
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Interposed His precious blood.
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O to grace.
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O to grace.
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O to grace.
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How great a debtor.
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Daily I'm constrained to be.
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Let Thy goodness like a fetter.
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Bind my wandering heart to Thee.
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Prone to wander.
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Prone to wander.
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Prone to wander.
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Lord, I feel it.
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Prone to leave the God I love.
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Here's my heart, Lord.
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Take and seal it.
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Seal it for Thy courts above.
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Love.
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Love.
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Wonderful.
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Thank you.
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Let's pray.
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Father, we are.
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We stand and wonder at the wonderful fount of blessing that you in your Trinitarian self are for your people.
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How you, Father, have loved us with an everlasting love.
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How you, Son, have purchased our redemption at the cost of your own blood.
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And how you, Spirit, have opened our eyes and convicted us of our need for a Savior.
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And then made that Savior, Christ, beautiful in our sight.
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That we might rejoice in Him in that great salvation.
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So, Lord, we ask you by your Spirit to be present among us.
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And do that good work of a counselor.
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Convicting us of where we need to change and come into conformity with Christ.
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And then working that very change in us by your good grace, Lord.
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So, thank you for this time and this opportunity and this wonderful facility that we have.
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May it be used of you to exalt Christ in so many ways.
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That as He is lifted up, you would draw many to yourself.
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In Jesus' name we ask it.
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Amen.
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All right, team.
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Well, we are starting a series on women.
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What kind of?
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Portraits from the family album of our family, the people of God.
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And in particular, we are going to look at some women.
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Women that we should know and honor.
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And I'm going to try to draw some women that maybe, maybe some of you might not even have heard of.
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And hopefully bringing out their stories a little bit.
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The idea came to me while I was meditating on 1 Corinthians 12, not long ago.
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Where Paul, you'll remember there, he talks about how we, as his people, are a body.
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And different ones function different ways, an eye, a nose, an ear, what have you.
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And he says, now in any typical culture, there are going to be some in the body who, in expressing their gifts and their talent and their roles,
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the culture is not going to quite look upon them with equal impressiveness or not valorize that particular thing.
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And that's just kind of the way it is.
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In Corinth, for example, they thought that impressive were those that were able to use rhetoric and so forth and the others that had other gifts.
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Well, that wasn't all that impressive.
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And Paul says, oh no, no, no, no, in the body of Christ, what we want to do is recognize the vital importance of every contribution.
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And if there's a cultural situation in which some aren't given as much honor or credit or appreciation,
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then what we want to do is we want to compensate with that as the people of God.
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So looking back, oftentimes it seems as though the women in our midst, who God has greatly used,
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get somewhat short shrift in the annals of history and appreciation.
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So we want to try to rectify that somewhat, if we can, in this series.
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So that's kind of the motivation of this.
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Plus, it's just fun.
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Everybody loves a good story.
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And I'm hoping that we've found some edifying ones.
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So that's where we're headed.
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In this first profile, we've called the woman whose scarves were all over the land.
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Or we might call it Selena's scattered scarves.
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So here we go.
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The historical context of our drama has been called the age of reason.
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An era enamored with the powers of the human mind to make its liberating way in the world.
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Liberating above all from the hobbling shackles of revelation and tradition.
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So they said.
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But in this age, reason had its hearty twin, ridicule, which would probably be the greater menace to the faith.
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The solvent of satire bit deeply at the very foundations of Christianity.
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And subjected to mockery were not only its tenets, but also its devotees and especially its leaders.
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George Whitefield.
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There he is.
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George Whitefield was among them.
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The great preacher of awakening in a spiritually slumbering age.
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Dramatic, even theatrical in his bearing, he was an easy target.
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Especially his crossed eyes.
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There he is.
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If you look closely, you'll notice that he had crossed eyes.
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People loved to make fun of him for that.
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Indeed, remorselessly, he was made the special subject of lampoon in a stage performance.
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Doing uproarious rounds in the London theaters.
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Wounding to Whitefield and also bolstering the prejudice.
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It really did seem a hindrance to the gospel.
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But inexplicably, at its height, the play, in mockery of Whitefield, suddenly stopped.
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As it turned out, David Garrick, the far-famed and premier Shakespearean actor of his day,
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had exerted his singular influence in that thespian world to bring the production to a close.
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This, not on his own initiative, but for a dear friend who had asked him to do so.
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Who could that have been?
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But more than mockery, George Whitefield and his gospel-preaching co-laborers
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had to struggle against a prideful prejudice ensconced in the very church from which they sprang.
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The Church of England...
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There we go.
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There's a better picture of Whitefield, I suppose.
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There he is preaching.
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If it were a video, you'd see how dramatic and thespian he was.
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Vital Christianity was at low ebb.
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And the typical Church of England vicar was more preoccupied with fox hunting than preaching.
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And that was probably a good thing, however, as the preaching done was so terrible,
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it was described as mere Mohammedanism, or Islam, without Mohammed.
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Just awful, awful preaching.
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Morality and decorum was the weekly summons from the pulpit.
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And the notion...
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Oh, thank you, that's a great idea.
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Yes.
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A little stifling in here.
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It's all the hot air that I...
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Morality and decorum was the weekly summons from the pulpit.
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And the notion of being born again, proclaimed as a necessity by George Whitefield and his compatriots,
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was thought extreme, indeed indecorous, and overzealous enthusiasm.
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That's what this born-again stuff was called, damningly called.
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That's just enthusiasm.
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Indeed, a church bell was struck at the time, minted with this inscription,
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Hurrah for the Church of England, and down with enthusiasm.
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Well, at first, the efforts of the Gospel Awakeners to rouse the somnolent churchgoers
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was politely ignored by the reigning clergy.
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But as soon as the Awakening seemed to be making inroads in their parishes,
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those in power exerted legal force to restrict and muzzle the enthusiasts.
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Venues were denied and meetings were broken up,
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while the magistrates would look on indifferently.
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But then, quite unexpectedly, the King of England himself interposed his royal will
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that such religious persecution desist in his realm.
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Ah, that's a...
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Yeah, that's helpful too, definitely.
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Definitely.
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It seems that someone had reached the King's ear and prompted his protective decree.
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Well, as we shall discover, the very one who could move the levers of the London Theatre
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could also sway the royal court,
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and did not hesitate to do so for the sake of the Gospel.
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And here she is.
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Whoops, there it is.
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No, no, go ahead.
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Go ahead.
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Whatever you can do to help us out.
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Selina was born August 24th, 1707.
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We're not quite sure where, as the family had several homes,
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but likely the imposing mansion at Staunton Herald, there it is,
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was...
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That was the seat of the Shirley family, an illustrious family.
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Here, that's...
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Let me show you what it is today.
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There it is.
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You can see a little bit better.
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That's where she was born.
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Staunton Herald.
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They were an illustrious family,
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in whose blood that of emperors, kings, and queens mingled profusely.
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She was the second of three girls,
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and it would seem sheltered luxury would be her lot.
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But when she was nine years old,
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her eye was arrested by a funeral procession
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bearing a small coffin of a girl no older than she.
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Transfixed, she followed the cortege to the burial ground,
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and from that day would often visit the grave.
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It marked the beginning of a seriousness about life
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in the light of impending death.
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And this would mark her all of her days,
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that little experience as a nine-year-old girl.
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Knowing that frivolity was a dominating feature
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of much of the English aristocracy,
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and that she would marry within that society,
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young Selina often uttered the prayer
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that she would marry into a serious family.
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And God granted this desire in husband Theophilus,
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the ninth Earl of Huntington,
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also, and in fact, even more so of a family of royal descent.
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Well, for all their seriousness,
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they seem to have had quite a happy time together.
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Here is their family.
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There is Selina.
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There's Theophilus.
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And there are two.
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There would be more children,
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but those were the ones that were alive
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when the painter painted this image of them.
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But marriage did not extinguish the serious streak
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which expressed itself in the young countess
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in a busyness in doing good,
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especially by way of benefactress to the poor.
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She was the frequent visitor to the cottages on her estate
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and never failed to meet any need with abundant charity.
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Her tenants came to refer to her as Lady Bountiful,
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and the sound of her approaching coach
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gathered a little posse of hopeful children
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for the handouts, whatever they would be.
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She became vastly admired for her reputation as a Christian lady,
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and that accompanied her in the high praise
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of her very high-born neighbors and peers.
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Well, this proved gratifying to the countess,
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but somehow not satisfying.
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Looking back, she would later discern that,
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quote,
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I was going about to establish my own righteousness.
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She had the praise and applause of her peers,
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but what about God?
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What would win his favor?
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Anxiously, Selena redoubled her efforts,
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hoping she might feel satisfied,
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that God was satisfied.
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But this resting peace tantalizingly eluded her.
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Her health broke in the strain,
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indeed completely,
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to the point that she feared she was at death's door.
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Her illness had brought her benevolence to a halt,
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but with it, her sense of worthiness.
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Couldn't do any more good things,
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didn't feel worthy anymore.
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This compounded her terror.
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But in the gracious providence of God,
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her peaceless anguish perfectly prepared her
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to hear with wonder
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the ecstatic, breathless testimony
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of her sister-in-law, Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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Margaret.
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But then, upon the ashes of these vain hopes,
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had set forth a perfect and availing righteousness of Christ
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for all and any who put their trust in him alone.
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And Lady Margaret had ventured that trust.
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And the peace and joy that instantly flooded her heart
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was now radiant on her face.
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Taking Christ, his perfect righteousness and forgiving blood,
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Selina, too, felt that same peace and joy
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distill into her troubled heart.
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And testimony to how the spiritual deeply affects the physical.
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She immediately gained back her bodily health.
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Isn't that extraordinary?
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When having this spiritual peace, suddenly she's physically well, too.
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Well, the countess was now a Christian in a way never known or felt before.
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And she could not suppress telling all who would listen of the source of her newfound joy.
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But such a message struck her church-going hears as utterly foreign
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or damningly bearing the taint of enthusiasm.
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A bishop was immediately summoned to persuade her back from these religious wilds
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to the safe enclosure and sedate way of decency and decorum in religion.
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But Selina had been pouring over her Bible
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and ably asserted before the bishop her newfound faith as none other than gospel truth.
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It was such a marvelous encounter.
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You know, the bishop's kind of sputtering and she's saying,
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Oh, but the Bible says, but the Bible tells us.
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Well, gospel or not, most of her aristocratic friends found the message impertinent.
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Impertinent, that was their word.
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As the Duchess of Buckingham told her, I quote,
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It is monstrous to be told you have a heart as sinful as the common wretches that crawl on the earth.
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This is highly offensive and insulting.
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And I cannot but wonder that your ladyship, she's speaking to the Countess of Huntington,
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that your ladyship should relish any sentiments so much at variance with our high rank and our good breeding.
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Sad to tell, despite all of these appeals over all the years from Selina,
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the Duchess would die contentedly confident with her aristocratic heart.
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Alas, how common is Goethe's presumption that God would never damn a truly cultured person.
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It's not how it works.
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It was a tough mission, very tough mission field for the Countess.
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For so often, the high and mighty are the high and haughty.
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Reflecting on God's grace in her own life.
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The Countess used to often say,
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Thank God for the M.
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Thank God for the M.
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Referring to the Apostle's phrase in 1 Corinthians 1.26,
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where he says,
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Not many of noble birth.
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Thank God for the M.
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Thank God it's not any.
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But not many meant at least some.
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And this was her circle and mission field now.
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How might she reach them?
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If her high-born peers would not go to the gospel preachers,
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perhaps she could bring the gospel preachers to them.
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Thus began the Countess's drawing room outreach.
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It's marvelous.
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Having received a lovely embossed invitation to come to tea,
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the upper crust would gather in her well-appointed drawing room,
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and you saw the likes of her mansion.
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I'm sure it was well-appointed.
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To her well-appointed drawing room,
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and while they consumed fine cakes,
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soon found themselves spellbound by George Whitefield,
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who came at her invitation,
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sometimes as often as twice a week.
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And Whitefield was a consummate orator,
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and could transport an audience by his word dramas.
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Oh, there's Lord Chesterfield,
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as in the famous letters of Lord Chesterfield.
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Yes, as once George Whitefield was,
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and they were so curious about him.
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They had heard things.
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So they were curious, so they liked to listen.
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And once George Whitefield was comparing the case
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of a benighted sinner to that of a blind beggar
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with his kind of blind staff going forward
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and tottering on the brink of a precipice,
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and then his cane slips from his hand,
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but he grasps after it right in the back.
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And so Whitefield's describing that,
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and suddenly the suspense was pierced by a cry,
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leaping up, and no doubt spilling his tea as he leapt up.
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Lord Chesterfield shrieked,
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good God, he's gone!
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Just having completely entered in,
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and then, oh, excuse me,
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sat down and then re-poured his tea.
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Stirred the tranquility of the moment.
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So this is how mesmerizing Whitefield was.
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By all accounts, his preaching,
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utterly mesmerizing.
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Indeed, David Garrick,
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remember, he was,
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he's the premier,
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the leading Shakespearean actor of the day,
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to whom we've previously referred.
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He was a regular at Selena's,
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at her drawing room,
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outreaches.
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And he,
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he marveled
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at how Whitefield intoned the word
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Mesopotamia
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and confessed,
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I would give a hundred guineas,
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that was a lot of money,
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a hundred guineas,
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if I could just say the word,
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oh,
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like Mr. Whitefield.
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And he's the top Shakespearean actor of the day.
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Unbelievable, unbelievable.
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And for all of their gratified curiosity,
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they heard the gospel,
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clearly and vividly declared,
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heard the inner call,
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thank God for the M.
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Thank God.
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And with the drawing room
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full of lords and ladies,
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the countess did not forget
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the downstairs
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and would send Whitefield
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to repeat his servant,
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servant,
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sermon
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to the servants
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and the cooks downstairs
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so they would not be without
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the good news of Jesus Christ.
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And
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what would it take
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for the common folk
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to hear the good news?
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The worker in the field,
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the miner in the pits,
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or the thatcher on the roof,
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who seemed eager to listen?
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Well,
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John Wesley,
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Whitefield's friend
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and fellow awakener,
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did not think it
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possible
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that someone
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could be saved
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outside of a church building.
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Remember,
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these were the days
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of kind of decorum
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in religion.
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But
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wherever he,
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John Wesley,
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would go,
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the buildings,
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and he was one of
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Whitefield,
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he was one of these
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awakening preachers,
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the buildings,
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the church buildings,
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were just too small
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to accommodate
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the eager hearers,
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and crowds
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would be turned away.
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Here,
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yeah,
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there's,
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there's Wesley,
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John Wesley.
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I,
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my father
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had a huge
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print of this
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in his study,
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along with
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a study of,
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a print of
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Martin Luther
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studying the Bible.
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And so I grew up
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under the shadow
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of these things,
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you know,
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studying the Bible
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and preaching
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the good news.
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They're just,
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these images
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are so precious to me.
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If I could have
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gotten back
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to take a picture
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off the one in our house,
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this would be a better,
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a better image for you.
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So,
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on,
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on one occasion,
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when John Wesley
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had been preaching
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in the church,
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the,
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the,
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the folk
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who couldn't press in
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for the,
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for the,
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for the lack of room,
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they lingered
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just outside the church,
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hoping to hear something
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through the open
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windows.
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And as,
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and as John Wesley
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left,
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he,
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he saw
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the sad crowd
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still present
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to the churchyard.
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So,
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wonderfully,
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he just stood
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upon a tombstone
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where he could project
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and he just
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repeated his whole sermon,
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preaching to them too,
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to their great joy
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and for many
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to their eternal
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benefit.
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The fields
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were ripe
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for harvest,
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but the workers
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were few.
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Wesley,
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John Wesley,
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also thought
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that none
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but officially
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authorized clergy
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were fit
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to preach,
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so was vehemently
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against
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lay preaching.
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That is,
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you weren't allowed
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to preach the gospel
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at all
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unless you were
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an ordained minister
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who had had all
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this appropriate
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education,
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you know,
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training and education.
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education.
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That was his belief.
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The problem was
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it was so hard
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to be able
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to get that education.
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Not many people
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could do it.
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It was a very,
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very narrow gate.
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And Wesley
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firmly believed this.
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But,
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thanks be to God,
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two very
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persistent
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women
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finally
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persuaded
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John Wesley
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otherwise.
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his mother,
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Susanna,
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an extraordinary
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woman.
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One day,
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I'm going to
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do a whole
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profile on her.
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Just extraordinary.
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Susanna Wesley,
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the mother of
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John and Charles,
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and the
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Countess of
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Huntington,
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Selina.
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An indomitable
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pair.
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And John Wesley
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finally agreed
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to go listen
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to a rather
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rough-around-the-edges
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lay preacher
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that the Countess
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had been encouraging.
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Well,
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he most definitely
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lacked the Oxford
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accent
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of John Wesley,
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but evidently
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not the Holy Spirit.
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And Wesley
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came away
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concluding,
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quote,
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it is the Lord.
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Let him do
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what seemeth
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good to him.
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And from
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there and
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then,
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lay preachers
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augmented
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the preaching
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force and
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became really
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the hallmark
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of this
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growing movement
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of awakening.
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What we
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in the
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American
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choice
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called
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the Great
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Awakening,
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the First
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Great
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Awakening.
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Thanks to
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those two
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women.
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Well,
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as the
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gospel
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sounded
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forth across
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Britain,
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from village
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cross,
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as we saw
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with Wesley,
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to country
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veil,
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thousands
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experienced
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new birth.
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But what
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would become
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of them?
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There was a
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famine for
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the word
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of God
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in the
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churches.
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Wesley,
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John Wesley,
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a great
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organizer,
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developed
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classes,
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what he
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called
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classes.
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These were
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really small
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groups for
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mutual
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encouragement.
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So the
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people that
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were converted
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in this
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open
-
preaching,
-
they gathered
-
together in
-
little small
-
groups,
-
because there
-
wasn't much
-
fair for
-
them in the
-
churches at
-
the time.
-
So they
-
were in
-
classes,
-
meeting for
-
mutual
-
encouragement.
-
Whitefield's
-
converts,
-
however,
-
found no
-
haven.
-
They are,
-
alas,
-
said Whitefield,
-
a rope of
-
sand.
-
He was not
-
a good
-
organizer.
-
Well,
-
here,
-
the
-
countess
-
stepped in.
-
She had
-
been gathering
-
up preachers
-
and deputizing
-
them as her
-
chaplains.
-
And it was
-
not uncommon
-
for aristocrats
-
to engage a
-
private chaplain.
-
You know,
-
they'd have
-
their huge
-
estate and
-
they wouldn't
-
want to go
-
to church,
-
so they'd
-
just engage
-
a chaplain
-
and they
-
would be
-
their private
-
family chaplain.
-
And they
-
would be
-
identified
-
by wearing
-
the scarf
-
of what,
-
you know,
-
the lordship
-
or the
-
countess,
-
whatever,
-
who would
-
sponsor them.
-
So that's
-
how they
-
would be
-
identified.
-
And they
-
would enjoy
-
the authorization
-
to preach
-
because they
-
had the
-
scarf,
-
the embossed
-
scarf.
-
So what
-
Selina did
-
was she
-
began to
-
build chapels
-
for her
-
chaplains.
-
And they
-
began to
-
dot the
-
landscape.
-
And there
-
the new
-
converts
-
could go
-
and be
-
nurtured
-
in the
-
gospel.
-
And she
-
would fill
-
their pulpits
-
with her
-
itinerant
-
chaplains,
-
moving them
-
to and fro
-
like a
-
general
-
commanding
-
her troops.
-
Hence,
-
it was said
-
in either
-
delight
-
by the
-
friends of
-
the gospel
-
or in
-
dismay
-
by others,
-
her
-
scarves
-
are all
-
over the
-
land.
-
Or her
-
scarves
-
are all
-
over the
-
land.
-
But more
-
ministers were
-
needed to
-
save souls
-
and to
-
nurture
-
converts.
-
And Oxford
-
and Cambridge,
-
the universities,
-
the two
-
universities,
-
Oxford and
-
Cambridge,
-
were the
-
only places
-
where Anglican
-
ministers could
-
be trained.
-
And they
-
were stolidly
-
against any
-
enthusiasm.
-
Six students
-
had just
-
been expelled
-
from Oxford
-
and Oxford
-
College for
-
such leanings.
-
As their
-
tutor complained,
-
they were
-
quote,
-
enthusiasts
-
who
-
talked of
-
inspiration,
-
regeneration,
-
and drawing
-
nigh to
-
God.
-
Oh my
-
goodness.
-
For such,
-
one was
-
persona non
-
grata and
-
kicked out of
-
the university.
-
So you had
-
no opportunity
-
for training.
-
Narrow was
-
the gate.
-
So,
-
so the
-
countess
-
decided to
-
found her
-
own
-
training
-
college.
-
That
-
very year,
-
1768,
-
when the
-
students were
-
kicked out.
-
Okay,
-
on her
-
birthday,
-
Trevecca
-
was established.
-
And George
-
Whitefield
-
preached the
-
inaugural sermon
-
on the text,
-
no one can
-
lay any
-
foundation other
-
than Jesus
-
Christ,
-
1 Corinthians
-
3.11.
-
Soon,
-
it became
-
a fountain
-
of gospel
-
witness flowing
-
throughout the
-
land and
-
watering the
-
very dry
-
earth.
-
The
-
countess
-
herself would
-
interview all
-
candidates and
-
direct them on
-
their evangelical,
-
evangelistic
-
errands,
-
providing ponies
-
for their
-
transport and
-
a good suit
-
and a wig
-
if the
-
setting demanded.
-
So if she
-
was going to
-
bring them
-
into her
-
drawing room
-
things,
-
she'd give
-
them a
-
really nice
-
suit and
-
nice wig,
-
you know,
-
so it would
-
be less
-
offensive.
-
Well,
-
a good thing
-
that she had
-
money,
-
you might say,
-
to finance
-
all of these
-
ventures.
-
Yes,
-
and here's the
-
extraordinary
-
thing.
-
when it
-
began to
-
run low,
-
she sold
-
all of her
-
jewels to
-
the substantial
-
sum of
-
698 pounds
-
and 15
-
shillings.
-
That was
-
an enormous,
-
an enormous
-
amount.
-
important.
-
Why,
-
it's as if
-
she must
-
have thought
-
her treasure
-
was in
-
heaven or
-
something.
-
I don't
-
know.
-
I scarcely
-
could forego
-
pausing here
-
and asking,
-
I wonder
-
what jewels
-
we have
-
that we
-
might sell
-
to put
-
some more
-
jewels
-
in our
-
Savior's
-
crown.
-
God.
-
Well,
-
the scale
-
of these
-
gospel
-
ventures,
-
it has
-
to be
-
emphasized
-
in order
-
to be
-
grasped.
-
You can
-
sit in the
-
front row
-
if you
-
want.
-
I won't
-
hear the
-
hissing as
-
well unless
-
you sit
-
in the
-
front row.
-
That's
-
right.
-
The
-
scale
-
of these
-
ventures
-
has to
-
be
-
emphasized
-
in order
-
to be
-
grasped.
-
Lady
-
Huntington's
-
chapels
-
were springing
-
up everywhere,
-
reaching great
-
numbers.
-
On
-
Trevecca
-
anniversaries,
-
also her
-
birthday,
-
you remember,
-
so a
-
two-fold
-
special occasion,
-
she would
-
summon her
-
chaplains
-
and they
-
would preach
-
in succession,
-
sometimes nine
-
of them in
-
an unbroken
-
row,
-
to as
-
many as
-
20,000
-
hearers.
-
So we
-
can't even
-
conceive of
-
people even
-
being able to,
-
crowds like
-
that even
-
being able to
-
hear without
-
amplification.
-
But they
-
could do
-
this.
-
I mean,
-
the people like
-
George
-
Whitefield
-
could actually
-
project his
-
voice when he
-
came to the
-
colonies here
-
and would
-
preach in
-
Philadelphia,
-
say,
-
people would
-
gather on
-
both sides
-
of the
-
Schuylkill
-
River and
-
they could
-
hear him.
-
It was
-
unbelievable.
-
So,
-
actually,
-
if you were
-
a preacher,
-
actually developing
-
a voice was
-
one of the key
-
and pivotal
-
things to do.
-
And if you
-
read Charles
-
Spurgeon's
-
lectures to my
-
students,
-
he has a
-
chapter on
-
how to
-
develop and
-
take care of
-
your voice
-
because this
-
was your
-
instrument,
-
it was
-
absolutely
-
critical.
-
So,
-
20,000
-
people around.
-
It was
-
said that
-
there were
-
over 1,000
-
ponies seen
-
in the
-
surrounding
-
fields of
-
all these
-
gatherings.
-
While the
-
college was
-
housed at
-
Trevecca,
-
150
-
preachers were
-
trained,
-
ponied up
-
and suited
-
up.
-
That
-
training
-
college
-
would
-
migrate
-
twice,
-
once to
-
Chescent
-
and then
-
to
-
Westminster
-
College
-
in
-
Cambridge
-
where
-
it
-
was
-
my
-
happy
-
experience
-
to
-
reside
-
for one
-
year in
-
my own
-
training.
-
It was so
-
much fun
-
to be in
-
that same
-
spot.
-
200 new
-
chapels
-
were now
-
opened.
-
Such
-
pervading
-
witness
-
was bound
-
to stir
-
opposition
-
and it
-
did.
-
how many
-
of her
-
own
-
chapels
-
and
-
chaplains
-
can
-
one
-
woman
-
have?
-
Even
-
a
-
countess.
-
It's
-
far too
-
many
-
scarves
-
outside
-
of her
-
wardrobe,
-
they said.
-
You guys
-
missed that.
-
If you
-
would engage
-
a chaplain,
-
the aristocracy,
-
in order to give
-
them authority,
-
you would give
-
them one of
-
your scarves
-
that was
-
embossed.
-
That was
-
their authority
-
and she
-
would have
-
hundreds.
-
Say that.
-
Far too
-
many scarves
-
outside your
-
wardrobe.
-
Vickers,
-
who felt
-
the
-
enthusiastical
-
encroachment,
-
took legal
-
action against
-
her in the
-
church courts.
-
Not in my
-
neighborhood,
-
they thought.
-
And the
-
countess found
-
herself in a
-
legal pickle
-
that threatened
-
to halt,
-
indeed pluck
-
up,
-
her gospel
-
mission.
-
It was
-
then that
-
she was
-
able to
-
appeal through
-
her privileged
-
access as
-
an aristocrat
-
to King
-
George himself
-
who draped
-
his cloak
-
of protection
-
around her.
-
But it
-
involved a
-
watershed for
-
the countess
-
and her
-
movement.
-
She might
-
gain royal
-
protection through
-
the Toleration
-
Act,
-
allowing dissenters,
-
legally,
-
dissenters from
-
the Anglican
-
Church,
-
to gather
-
and to
-
preach.
-
But to
-
come under
-
its sheltering
-
canopy,
-
she would
-
have to
-
declare her
-
chapels
-
dissenting
-
houses of
-
worship.
-
So
-
Selina
-
became a
-
reluctant
-
separatist,
-
forced out
-
of the
-
Church of
-
England
-
and her
-
chapel
-
network,
-
as John
-
Wesley and
-
his
-
followers
-
would
-
later
-
become,
-
much to
-
their
-
own
-
frustration
-
and
-
reluctance,
-
they were
-
driven out
-
of the
-
Church of
-
England.
-
They became
-
their own
-
denomination.
-
So they
-
came to be
-
called
-
Countess
-
Huntington
-
Connection
-
Chapels.
-
This is in
-
1781.
-
So the
-
Countess of
-
Huntington's
-
Chapels was
-
its own
-
denomination.
-
Again,
-
she didn't
-
want to
-
no longer be
-
an Anglican,
-
but they
-
forced her
-
out.
-
It was the
-
only way
-
that she
-
could have
-
the freedom
-
to establish
-
these things.
-
This is
-
her Countess
-
of Huntington
-
Chapel in
-
Bath,
-
was one
-
of the
-
great spas
-
for the
-
aristocrats
-
at that time,
-
so she built
-
a chapel there
-
so they'd be
-
able to come
-
and hear the
-
gospel.
-
A conflict
-
was not
-
simply with
-
the Church
-
of England,
-
doctrinal
-
divisions
-
began to
-
emerge even
-
within the
-
ranks of
-
the awakening
-
preachers.
-
A rift
-
opened between
-
Whitefield
-
and Wesley,
-
John Wesley,
-
along Calvinist
-
Arminian
-
fault lines.
-
Whitefield's
-
followers became
-
known as
-
Calvinist
-
Methodists,
-
as differentiated
-
from
-
Wesleyan
-
Methodists
-
who followed
-
John and
-
Charles Wesley.
-
Now the
-
Countess had
-
studied convictions
-
in the matter,
-
aligning her
-
with Whitefield,
-
but she
-
maintained a
-
breadth of
-
friendship across
-
those theological
-
lines.
-
And it's
-
noteworthy
-
that her
-
judgment was
-
highly esteemed,
-
resulting in
-
her frequently
-
being sought
-
for advice
-
even at
-
cross-grained
-
theological
-
affinity.
-
So for
-
example,
-
John Wesley,
-
more Arminian,
-
would consult
-
her often
-
and did
-
as to
-
whether it
-
be advisable
-
to publish
-
his journals.
-
And happily,
-
he followed
-
her advice.
-
And we have
-
them in print
-
now.
-
They're
-
marvelous.
-
Given an
-
opportunity to
-
preach at
-
Oxford,
-
John Wesley
-
sent the
-
countess
-
the sermon
-
that he had
-
prepared to
-
see if she
-
thought it
-
suitable for
-
the weighty
-
occasion.
-
she thought
-
upon reading
-
it,
-
it utterly
-
unsuitable
-
and told him
-
so,
-
directing him
-
more promisingly.
-
So he
-
scrapped it
-
and wrote
-
another.
-
The almost
-
Christian
-
was what he
-
wrote,
-
which has
-
turned out to
-
be one of
-
his most
-
blessed sermons
-
of all of
-
them.
-
An incredible
-
afterlife in
-
this sermon
-
in terms of
-
its impact
-
for the
-
kingdom of
-
God,
-
the almost
-
Christian,
-
thanks to
-
Selina,
-
Countess of
-
Huntington.
-
Another of
-
the great
-
evangelists of
-
the day,
-
I just
-
can't wait
-
for him.
-
Don't you
-
just want to
-
meet this
-
person?
-
It's just
-
going to be
-
so wonderful.
-
Another of
-
the great
-
evangelists of
-
the day,
-
William Romaine,
-
sought her
-
judgment on a
-
work of
-
controversy he
-
was to
-
send to
-
the press.
-
And she
-
found a
-
line in
-
it that
-
spoke
-
uncharitably
-
of another
-
brother in
-
the Lord,
-
Isaac Watts,
-
who we know
-
from some of
-
his hymns.
-
And Selina
-
the Countess
-
told him,
-
take it
-
out,
-
take it
-
out,
-
which he
-
did.
-
Oh,
-
here's Isaac
-
Watts.
-
You remember
-
him.
-
I wonder
-
how frequent
-
and consequential
-
was the
-
Countess's
-
hidden
-
editorial
-
hand for
-
the church
-
in her
-
day.
-
And these
-
are a lot
-
of church
-
leaders that
-
often are in
-
conflict,
-
and it's
-
like a
-
lubricant in
-
the way they
-
interact, to
-
the huge
-
benefit and
-
blessing for
-
the harmony
-
of the
-
church in
-
her day.
-
I'm sure.
-
I mean, how
-
often has
-
Anita saved
-
me from what
-
I have
-
witlessly
-
written that
-
would surely
-
have caused
-
calamitous
-
offense or
-
abiding hurt?
-
how many
-
teachers among
-
us would
-
come off far
-
better in
-
the stricter
-
judgment that
-
will be
-
applied had
-
we subjected
-
our thought to
-
the judgment
-
of our very
-
wise spouses
-
first.
-
So, there's a
-
free recommendation
-
that saved my
-
skin.
-
Neither were
-
the Countess's
-
deeply trained
-
theological
-
instincts,
-
merely helpfully
-
directive
-
and cautionary.
-
They were
-
also instructive
-
and clarifying.
-
Like Priscilla,
-
she was
-
quite capable
-
and ready to
-
explain the
-
way of the
-
Lord more
-
accurately to
-
others.
-
She certainly
-
helped Henry
-
Venn.
-
Here's Henry
-
Venn.
-
I took that
-
picture in the
-
rain.
-
Yeah, it's
-
something.
-
She certainly
-
helped Henry
-
Venn to a
-
fuller
-
understanding of
-
the gospel.
-
Once hearing
-
him preach,
-
she found him
-
unclear on the
-
atonement, so
-
wrote him a
-
letter.
-
Oh, my
-
friend, we
-
can make no
-
atonement to a
-
violated law.
-
we have no
-
inward holiness
-
of our own.
-
The Lord Jesus
-
Christ is the
-
Lord our
-
righteousness.
-
Cling not to
-
such beggarly
-
elements, but
-
look to him
-
alone who
-
hath wrought out
-
a perfect
-
righteousness for
-
his people.
-
And this
-
exhortation
-
proved fruitful
-
in Venn's
-
heart.
-
As George
-
Whitefield wrote
-
to the
-
countess,
-
quote,
-
your exertions
-
in bringing
-
him to a
-
clearer
-
understanding of
-
the everlasting
-
gospel have
-
indeed been
-
greatly blessed
-
of the Lord.
-
So, and he
-
went on to be
-
one of the
-
great evangelical
-
leaders of
-
his day, and
-
indeed his son
-
and his
-
grandson, and
-
so on for a
-
long time, the
-
Venn family.
-
Well, there
-
is, we
-
must acknowledge,
-
a rather
-
prominent
-
executive tone
-
to the
-
countess.
-
After all, she
-
was a
-
countess.
-
Perhaps this
-
is the
-
aristocrat in
-
her manifesting.
-
She certainly
-
was confident
-
that she knew
-
what people
-
needed to do
-
and did not
-
hesitate to
-
tell them
-
so.
-
A few, it
-
seemed, resisted
-
her.
-
John
-
Barrage, there
-
he is, another
-
great gospel
-
preacher of the
-
age.
-
Wonderful guy.
-
I remember
-
when I was at
-
Cambridge, I
-
had heard that
-
he was evangelist
-
all the way to
-
his death and
-
even after his
-
death on his
-
tombstone.
-
So I rode my
-
bike a long,
-
long, long, long
-
way just to
-
see it and I
-
found this
-
tombstone.
-
Look at this
-
friends, isn't
-
this wonderful?
-
Here lay the
-
earthly remains
-
of John
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Barrage, late
-
vicar of
-
Everton and
-
an itinerant
-
servant of
-
Jesus Christ
-
who loved his
-
master and his
-
work and after
-
running on his
-
errands many
-
years was
-
called up to
-
wait on him
-
above.
-
Reader,
-
art thou
-
born again?
-
No salvation
-
without a new
-
birth.
-
I was born in
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sin February
-
1716.
-
Remained
-
ignorant of my
-
fallen state
-
until 1750.
-
Lived proudly
-
on faith and
-
works for
-
salvation till
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1754.
-
Admitted to
-
Everton
-
Vicarage 1755.
-
Indeed was a
-
preacher of the
-
gospel at this
-
church while
-
he was living
-
proudly on
-
works and
-
faith.
-
Fled to
-
Jesus alone
-
for refuge.
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1756.
-
Fell asleep in
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Christ.
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January 22nd,
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1793.
-
Isn't that
-
wonderful?
-
An evangelist
-
on his tomb.
-
Reader,
-
art thou
-
born again?
-
No salvation
-
without a new
-
birth.
-
death.
-
So,
-
that's
-
John
-
Barrage.
-
He
-
was,
-
he was,
-
he occasionally
-
would deny her
-
her wishes
-
as she moved
-
players around
-
the Great Awakening
-
chessboard.
-
but he took
-
no offense
-
and admired
-
her even
-
in her
-
sharp
-
dealings
-
as he
-
once wrote
-
to her,
-
verily,
-
you are a
-
good piper
-
but I know
-
not how to
-
dance.
-
I love your
-
scorpion letters
-
dearly,
-
though they do
-
take the flesh
-
off my bones
-
and I
-
believe your
-
glasses,
-
countess,
-
are better
-
than mine
-
but alas,
-
I cannot see
-
through your
-
glasses.
-
She did
-
have good
-
glasses.
-
She saw
-
the big
-
picture clearly
-
but she
-
was not
-
infallible
-
and made
-
mistakes as
-
she herself
-
acknowledged
-
and regretted.
-
Late in life
-
she said,
-
as Christians
-
we wish
-
to retract
-
what a
-
more deliberate
-
consideration
-
might have
-
prevented.
-
There's a
-
good lesson
-
here for
-
those who
-
are often
-
right
-
and think
-
themselves
-
always so.
-
Well,
-
there's so
-
much more
-
to tell
-
of the
-
countess
-
and her
-
impact.
-
Her
-
practical
-
knowledge
-
of just
-
what needed
-
to be done
-
was not
-
restricted to
-
the national
-
scale but
-
reached down
-
also to
-
the quotidian
-
matters of
-
life.
-
There's
-
Sally,
-
Charles
-
Wesley's
-
wife,
-
and on
-
one occasion
-
Sally,
-
wife of
-
Charles
-
Wesley,
-
was quite
-
ill with
-
smallpox
-
and her
-
husband,
-
Charles
-
Wesley,
-
was away
-
looking after
-
his brother
-
John,
-
who was
-
also
-
unwell.
-
So when
-
Selina
-
arrived and
-
discovered
-
Sally in
-
her plight,
-
she immediately
-
set things
-
right.
-
She summoned
-
George
-
Whitefield to
-
fetch Charles
-
and send
-
him,
-
Charles,
-
back to
-
his wife's
-
side where
-
he belonged
-
and then
-
had Whitefield
-
stay and
-
nurse John
-
Wesley back
-
to health.
-
All that
-
was needed
-
was a good
-
traffic officer
-
to direct
-
things with
-
whistle and
-
gesture and
-
the countess
-
was just
-
the one to
-
supply it.
-
Oh,
-
that's Charles
-
Wesley.
-
That's the
-
husband that
-
should have
-
been with
-
the wife
-
who had
-
smallpox.
-
Okay.
-
And here
-
is the
-
countess,
-
a little bit
-
older now than
-
the first picture
-
we showed.
-
we have
-
mentioned
-
Selina as
-
exercising an
-
impact on a
-
national scale
-
and technically
-
the British
-
Isles involved
-
more than a
-
single nation
-
as the Welsh
-
and the Scots
-
and the Irish
-
would be swift
-
to insist.
-
But her
-
influence reached
-
farther afield
-
than even the
-
British Isles.
-
She donated
-
liberally to
-
the fledgling
-
college of
-
New Jersey,
-
my alma
-
mater.
-
There it
-
is a long
-
time ago,
-
1746,
-
when it was
-
just getting
-
started as
-
a training
-
ground for
-
gospel preachers
-
similar to
-
her own
-
Trevecca.
-
So she took
-
it under
-
wing and
-
was very
-
generous with
-
the Princeton
-
Lions of
-
Judah.
-
They were
-
called the
-
Lions of
-
Judah before
-
they were
-
called
-
Princeton
-
Tigers.
-
I prefer
-
the former.
-
she gave
-
funds to
-
the Native
-
American
-
Samson
-
Ockham,
-
there he
-
is,
-
who was
-
soliciting funds
-
for a
-
mission school
-
way out in
-
the wilds
-
of New
-
Hampshire
-
that got
-
going in
-
1769.
-
There it
-
is,
-
way out
-
of the
-
boonies.
-
now we
-
call it
-
Dartmouth
-
College,
-
but it
-
started out
-
as a
-
mission outreach
-
to Native
-
Americans.
-
And Selina
-
Countess of
-
Huntington,
-
very generously
-
endowed
-
Dartmouth
-
College also.
-
She sponsored
-
African American
-
children in
-
Whitfield's
-
Georgia
-
Orphanage,
-
the Bethesda
-
Orphanage
-
there.
-
This is
-
the orphanage
-
in Georgia.
-
Indeed,
-
thinking hers,
-
the best
-
hands to
-
leave it
-
in,
-
George
-
Whitefield,
-
who had
-
established the
-
orphanage,
-
bequeathed it
-
to the
-
Countess when
-
he died in
-
her will,
-
in his
-
will.
-
So he
-
knew he'd
-
take good
-
care of it,
-
which she
-
did.
-
Neither was
-
Whitefield alone
-
in this
-
instinct.
-
many cottage
-
dwellers on
-
her estate
-
who died,
-
leaving young
-
children,
-
they would
-
commit them
-
to the
-
Countess's
-
care.
-
And she
-
would always
-
raise them
-
and care
-
for them.
-
Her
-
concern with
-
Africans,
-
so many in
-
this day,
-
the victims of
-
the whores of
-
the slave trade,
-
extended beyond
-
the Georgia
-
Orphanage.
-
She dedicated
-
special efforts
-
to reach them
-
with the gospel
-
and saw much
-
fruit.
-
And of those
-
converted,
-
many would
-
later sail
-
back to
-
Africa where
-
repatriate,
-
freed slaves,
-
in Sierra
-
Leone.
-
And there's
-
the first
-
colony as they
-
were reestablishing
-
it.
-
of the
-
2,000
-
Africans who
-
made the
-
journey back
-
there to
-
Sierra Leone
-
in 1792,
-
half of
-
them had
-
been part
-
of the
-
Countess of
-
Huntington
-
Connection
-
chapels.
-
It had been
-
ministered to
-
through her
-
half of that
-
entire
-
colony.
-
But
-
these
-
were
-
her
-
final
-
labors.
-
There she
-
is.
-
By 1790,
-
the weight
-
of years
-
was beginning
-
to tell.
-
The
-
Countess
-
was no
-
stranger to
-
pain.
-
Her high
-
station had
-
been no
-
shield to
-
sorrow and
-
suffering.
-
She was
-
widowed early,
-
39,
-
and five
-
of her six
-
children
-
pre-deceased
-
her,
-
some of them
-
heartbreakingly
-
young.
-
At the
-
last,
-
her condition
-
was protractedly
-
painful.
-
But as
-
John Wesley
-
was fond
-
of saying,
-
our people
-
die well.
-
It's because
-
of our
-
gospel hope.
-
It was so
-
in Selina's
-
case.
-
All the
-
little ruffles
-
and difficulties
-
which surround
-
me, she
-
said,
-
and all the
-
pains I am
-
exercised with
-
in this poor
-
body,
-
through mercy
-
affect not
-
the settled
-
peace and
-
joy of my
-
soul.
-
All is
-
well and
-
well forever.
-
Well, how
-
do we
-
sum up this
-
extraordinary
-
life?
-
She was
-
truly a
-
valiant
-
Azer
-
warrior,
-
the companion
-
warrior,
-
a Deborah
-
who led
-
many a
-
barak into
-
battle,
-
a Huldah
-
to whom
-
many came
-
to find out
-
the word
-
of God,
-
a Lydia
-
who opened
-
her house
-
for gospel
-
witness,
-
a Tabitha
-
whose hand
-
of compassion
-
touched many
-
and needy
-
saint,
-
a Phoebe
-
generous
-
benefactress
-
to many,
-
and a
-
Priscilla
-
able to
-
instruct
-
in the
-
deep truths
-
of the
-
faith.
-
Looking at
-
the
-
tumultuousness
-
of the
-
times,
-
the vast
-
fields white
-
for harvest,
-
the fewness
-
of the
-
laborers,
-
one zealous
-
for the
-
gospel,
-
took up
-
pen and
-
wrote to
-
the
-
countess,
-
quote,
-
a leader
-
is needed
-
and this
-
honor
-
hath been
-
put upon
-
your ladyship
-
by the
-
great head
-
of the
-
church
-
Christ.
-
Even
-
so,
-
such
-
was the
-
need of
-
her day
-
and is
-
it any
-
less
-
or any
-
other
-
in our
-
day?
-
I cannot
-
help but
-
wonder on
-
whose
-
shoulders
-
her mantle
-
might fall.
-
for
-
surely
-
ours is
-
not simply
-
to admire
-
but to
-
imitate
-
who among
-
us is
-
ready not
-
merely to
-
cherish her
-
memory but
-
to follow
-
in her
-
train.
-
Thank you.
-
Let's end
-
there and
-
let me open
-
it up for
-
any questions
-
you might
-
have.
-
If you
-
need to
-
get up
-
and
-
stretch
-
do
-
that
-
too
-
first.
-
Yeah,
-
Tom,
-
where are we
-
in terms of
-
the sequence
-
of the
-
time?
-
I think
-
we can
-
go for
-
a little
-
while
-
longer.
-
I think
-
they'll
-
be going
-
for at
-
least 15
-
more
-
minutes
-
probably.
-
Okay,
-
all right.
-
We can
-
wrap up
-
earlier
-
but we
-
can
-
certainly
-
go.
-
Okay,
-
this is
-
kind of
-
experimental
-
friends
-
because we're
-
trying to
-
figure out
-
how to
-
fit the
-
new
-
schedule
-
of
-
things.
-
Yeah.
-
Yeah.
-
Yes.
-
Well,
-
you know,
-
it's a
-
little bit
-
tentative.
-
She
-
witnessed
-
to him
-
a lot
-
and it's
-
very
-
difficult.
-
He was
-
very
-
sympathetic
-
to her
-
work.
-
He seemed
-
to really,
-
really love
-
her and
-
but he
-
kind of
-
thought it
-
was a
-
little
-
crazy.
-
he was
-
the one
-
that when
-
she
-
really was
-
converted
-
and it
-
seemed to
-
the aristocrats
-
that she
-
had gone
-
out to
-
the wilds
-
of religion
-
this enthusiasm
-
she was
-
born again.
-
He was
-
the one
-
that said
-
dear I'd
-
like you
-
to see
-
this bishop
-
who can
-
maybe help
-
you to
-
find your
-
way back
-
to decorum
-
in this.
-
So it
-
seems like
-
for all his
-
sympathy toward
-
her and his
-
affection toward
-
her he
-
never seemed
-
to have
-
gotten it
-
sadly.
-
Though it's
-
difficult because
-
he doesn't
-
write,
-
you know,
-
we have no
-
journals so
-
it's so hard
-
to know what
-
these aristocrats
-
are feeling
-
sometimes because
-
they just
-
didn't express
-
very much.
-
So I don't
-
know,
-
I don't know.
-
Yeah,
-
yeah,
-
yeah,
-
Elizabeth.
-
Can you talk
-
a little bit
-
more about
-
what it meant
-
to her
-
or the
-
movement
-
to move
-
out of
-
the Church
-
of England?
-
Yes,
-
yes.
-
So
-
the,
-
she was
-
raised in
-
the Church
-
of England.
-
The Church
-
of England
-
was
-
very much
-
that
-
church
-
in which
-
all the
-
aristocracy
-
would have
-
had their
-
at least
-
formal
-
home
-
whether
-
or not
-
they were
-
very
-
involved.
-
So
-
for her
-
in order
-
to keep
-
her chapels
-
going
-
to become
-
a dissenter
-
that
-
was
-
in her
-
day
-
and among
-
her peers
-
that would
-
have been
-
like
-
you know
-
getting on
-
the back
-
of a
-
motorcycle
-
and riding
-
off with a
-
communist
-
or something
-
you know
-
during the
-
McCarthy
-
era.
-
it's just
-
oh my
-
goodness
-
you know
-
these things
-
are not
-
done.
-
So
-
very
-
very
-
difficult
-
emotionally
-
socially
-
she had
-
great affection
-
for the
-
Church of
-
England
-
but
-
when there
-
was this
-
conflict
-
between
-
what the
-
Church of
-
England
-
was
-
insisting
-
upon
-
and what
-
she knew
-
God was
-
calling her
-
to do
-
in terms
-
of
-
continuing
-
to
-
be
-
committed
-
to the
-
progress
-
of the
-
Gospel
-
it's
-
kind of
-
like
-
Peter
-
and
-
John
-
with
-
the
-
Sanhedrin
-
where
-
they
-
say
-
all do
-
respect
-
and we
-
have
-
immense
-
respect
-
for you
-
the
-
Sanhedrin
-
you tell
-
us
-
you answer
-
this question
-
do we
-
follow man
-
or do we
-
follow God
-
so
-
that's
-
so she
-
had to
-
break
-
she had
-
to break
-
off
-
yeah
-
so it
-
was very
-
hard
-
yeah
-
yes
-
yes
-
yes
-
Right, right.
-
There was a tiny enough position.
-
There were people in there who also recognized the work of God.
-
Right, right.
-
Well, there were those who were genuinely born again,
-
who were, so there came to be what was called the evangelical party.
-
They called it a party in the Church of England.
-
And there were definitely some.
-
And we're going to go on to talk about some women for whom that was the case.
-
But there were some that were able to continue to find their home in the Church of England.
-
So, for example, John Newton, the hymn writer, Amazing Grace and that,
-
he was in the Church of England and very faithful there.
-
And he just took all the flack and the conflict and the internal abiding and people trying to limit his influence
-
and just thought, nope, this is where I'm going to be faithful.
-
This is, in my mind, the best boat to fish from, so to speak.
-
So there were many that were able to...
-
William Wilberforce was another who stayed within the Church of England.
-
And it was just kind of the evangelical party within it.
-
But as a whole, it was...
-
These were not the best days of the Church of England.
-
They ended up reacting to what was a genuine work of God in the awakening.
-
And when you define yourself in opposition to that,
-
that just ends up being very unhelpful spiritually, it seems.
-
Yeah.
-
Yeah.
-
So I'd follow up, a very different question.
-
Sure.
-
So just as you spoke about her influence and all the things she did,
-
it's the kind of influence that in some circles would be...
-
People would look and say, well, women are not supposed to be able to X, Y, Z.
-
Did she face that kind of opposition or that kind of questioning around her role in this church?
-
How did she navigate, especially some of the things that today we talk about in the world of women in the church,
-
and the kind of authority she seems she met,
-
and maybe it was just purely informal.
-
But I'm curious...
-
Right, right.
-
...she faced some of these and how...
-
Yes.
-
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
-
Great question.
-
Well, it's interesting.
-
It was all entirely informal in the sense of unofficial.
-
There was no office that she held.
-
So her vast influence was moral and personal.
-
And by moral, I mean just by the sway of the strength of her personality.
-
I think it's also undeniable that within that society,
-
if you were part of the aristocracy,
-
people would listen and heed,
-
and there was an expectation that you would be listened to.
-
So kind of the social structure that was the context wherein she operated,
-
if an aristocrat spoke, everybody would stop, be quiet, and listen.
-
I think it was also for these other ministers,
-
I think that they saw her in a very maternal way.
-
She was a mother at Israel,
-
and they seemed to all be very, very open to her influence,
-
and manifestly benefited hugely from it and had a high regard for it.
-
So it all unflowed.
-
It all flowed out unofficial or informally, it seemed.
-
Yeah.
-
Yeah.
-
Yeah.
-
She sounded very much like a pro-hippical deaconess in the church,
-
like unity, shop absorber,
-
Yeah.
-
Between the, you know, unity, five, six.
-
Yes.
-
Because a deaconess, is that a thing in the church?
-
They had deacons.
-
Yes.
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Yes, they had deacons.
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Yeah.
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But I'm pretty sure that it was all male at that time.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, at that time it was all male.
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Yeah.
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But you're right.
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That's a great, a good fit.
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Yes, she seemed to have these sorts of deaconal,
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just to have a sense of what's going to promote the health of the church,
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what's going to help to establish unity.
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Those are many of her really strong instincts and gifts.
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That's right.
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Well, you know, it's interesting to ask,
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as we, I love the way she thought,
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well, okay, what's my sphere?
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Well, who are the people that I could reach?
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And maybe even uniquely,
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where am I well placed to reach these people?
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So she has, she has her like tea party outreaches,
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her drawing room outreaches that were so extraordinary.
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And I think that that might be a good thing for us to ponder.
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What is my sphere of influence
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that I might be able to sanctify for kingdom usefulness?
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Because we all,
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we all have some sort of sphere of influence.
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No doubt a sphere in which our position in it is somewhat unique, perhaps.
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And to begin to think, okay, if I'm singularly placed to reach within my sphere,
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how might I creatively do that?
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What are some of the challenges?
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What are some of the obstacles to, to, to people hearing the gospel within my sphere?
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And how might I creatively think of,
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I might be able to overcome them?
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Because your instincts within your sphere are going to be the best in all likelihood.
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You'll have a sense of how your peers think, feel, respond, react,
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what would be appropriate, what would be thought inappropriate.
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So you are perfectly suited to be the one to exercise that sort of wonderful gospel salt and light.
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So that's, that's maybe a question that we could each take and, and ponder as, as we go.
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Where, where do you place me?
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What, what sort of, yeah.
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Yeah.
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And maybe there are those that we know for whom it would be hard for us to imagine at least their first or second or third step
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being to come into this church to hear the gospel.
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How might we be able to get the gospel out to them?
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Yeah.
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In, in a context in which they would feel tremendously comfortable,
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where they're being served Earl Grey tea and crumpets or what have you.
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So, yeah.
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Wonderful.
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Well, thank you.
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Oh, sorry, Elizabeth.
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Yeah, yeah.
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This has nothing to do with her, but I'm wondering where John Darby fit into this sort of thing against the Church of England
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and what that was about and when it was.
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Yes, well, that's, that's.
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It's sort of the same thing.
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Yes, that's about a century later.
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And we'll be able, as we kind of move along through history,
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we'll come to some of the context and then we can probably deal with some of those things there.
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All right.
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Well, wonderful.
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Thank you, team.
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Well, next week, I think we will take up a woman by the name of,
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well, maybe I ought to just not tell you yet and let you find out.
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Well, no, no, okay.
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You don't need to read all about her.
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You can discover about her.
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Hannah Moore.
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Hannah Moore.
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So, not as well known as she should be.
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A woman of extraordinary impact in her day.
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And many of us are just not aware of that.
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So, thanks for coming along and we'll see you, we'll see you next week.
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Lord willing.
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