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Women We Should Know & Honor: Katharina Zell

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  1. Well, we are continuing on in our series of remarkable women you should know and love.

  2. So, and this morning, we're going to hit a different period, a little bit earlier from last time.

  3. So, she described herself as a splinter from the rib of that blessed man, Matthew Sell.

  4. There is Matthew Sell.

  5. This is the one-time pastor of the cathedral in Strasbourg.

  6. He referred to her as mein Hilfe, or my helper, or from the old king, my strong warrior.

  7. The first help that she gave him was when he was under excommunication by the bishop for having married her.

  8. Opponents of the Reformation, seeking to discredit Sell,

  9. they had circulated the tale that she had caught her husband cavorting with the maid,

  10. and that when she confronted him, he beat her black and blue.

  11. These were hardy days of lampoon.

  12. To lay to rest this dastardly effort to wreck her husband's reputation,

  13. Catherine published a refutation.

  14. First off, let me clarify, I have never, ever had a maid, she writes.

  15. And as for thrashing me, my husband and I have never had an unpleasant 15 minutes.

  16. We could have no greater honor than to die rejected of men from two crosses

  17. to speak to each other words of comfort.

  18. Well, in addition to flouting the fable of her husband's infidelity,

  19. Catherine continued with a very spirited defense of clerical marriage,

  20. that it is actually legitimate for pastors to marry,

  21. because in the Roman Catholic tradition, this was forbidden.

  22. And it was a timely task for that year, 1523,

  23. seven priests in Strasbourg, including her husband,

  24. were excommunicated for having married.

  25. So at this time, Reformation teaching was getting out,

  26. and among the tenants was, well, you know, there's no real biblical basis

  27. for pastors not being able to marry.

  28. So it's our freedom, so let's go ahead and do this.

  29. The tradition was otherwise.

  30. No, no, no, no, you can't marry.

  31. But a priest taking a mistress was winked at,

  32. indeed provided a good source of income for the bishop,

  33. who would levy a fine for the favor.

  34. But as to marriage, that's impermissible.

  35. So you kind of see the way the arrangement was.

  36. Okay, you can't be expected to kind of go without,

  37. so we'll just charge you as a priest.

  38. Can't marry, but you can pay a fine

  39. for your indiscretions on the side here.

  40. And you can make a lot of money that way, as you would think.

  41. Well, the man who had taken the lead in this matter

  42. was Martin Busser,

  43. who married the erstwhile nun,

  44. Elizabeth Silberstein,

  45. cast out on every quarter

  46. for this daring and denounced deed,

  47. it was Matthew Tsel who took them in.

  48. Busser, Martin Busser, was bullish on marriage

  49. and tried to convince all of his reformer friends

  50. to follow his lead,

  51. including his host, Matthew Tsel.

  52. Accordingly, he directed letters

  53. to eligible lady candidates,

  54. trying to see who might step up

  55. and marry these pastors.

  56. To the noble and honorable Christian lady,

  57. Ottilie von Hohenheim of Basel.

  58. He begins by reassuring her

  59. that the men he has on offer

  60. are not looking for a wife

  61. simply to gratify their passions.

  62. No, they are all capable of continence,

  63. but rather are acting to render

  64. the marriage of ministers reputable.

  65. He then flatters Ottilie by informing her

  66. that of all the women he has taken

  67. into review for the task,

  68. none has outscored her for suitability.

  69. He writes,

  70. your deportment hitherto has been exemplary.

  71. Then came the final stirring appeal.

  72. Will you crown your witness

  73. by assuming a reviled and crucified marriage?

  74. I beseech you in the name of Christ,

  75. crucified and accursed.

  76. But alas, Ottilie did not feel

  77. that this was her cross to bear,

  78. so Busser had to look further.

  79. It would be,

  80. if you did marry a priest at the time,

  81. you would probably be shunned in society

  82. because this was such a rare thing to do

  83. at that time.

  84. But before long,

  85. Matthäus Tsel, Matthew Tsel,

  86. was standing at the altar,

  87. yet alas, only officiating

  88. for his minister friend Anton Fion.

  89. Now a priest marrying was still

  90. the cutting edge of novelty in Strasbourg.

  91. So Tsel had to be very careful

  92. at one point in the service.

  93. You've probably guessed what it is.

  94. If any know any just cause

  95. why these two may not lawfully be joined together,

  96. let him speak now or forever hold his peace.

  97. So,

  98. hitherto it has been the custom,

  99. said Tsel,

  100. for the minister to ask this question.

  101. This is a wholesome practice,

  102. but there are those who come forward

  103. with very unjust causes,

  104. claiming that priests should not marry.

  105. Tsel commended the couple's step,

  106. predicting that more and more brothers,

  107. God willing,

  108. will follow your example.

  109. Well, as it turned out,

  110. the next brother to follow Fiern's example

  111. was Matthäus Tsel himself,

  112. taking up his own exhortation

  113. and taking the hand of Katharina Schutz.

  114. Martin Busser,

  115. with no small relish,

  116. brought the number of married ministers

  117. up to four by solemnizing the union.

  118. And Martin Luther sent out to the bride

  119. a letter of congratulation.

  120. Catherine was 25,

  121. and Matthew, Matthäus Tsel,

  122. was 20 years older than that.

  123. There he is,

  124. about that age.

  125. Well,

  126. Luther's letter of connubial congrats

  127. was not the first

  128. that he had written to Catherine.

  129. Like Luther,

  130. Catherine had suffered

  131. dire anguish of spirit,

  132. struggling after an ever-elusive forgiveness

  133. and a sense of acceptance before God.

  134. And it was a gospel track

  135. of Martin Luther's

  136. which had delivered her

  137. from her slough of despond.

  138. And again,

  139. like Luther,

  140. Katharina constantly battled

  141. with a proclivity

  142. to depression of spirit

  143. and was rocked

  144. by recurrent wrestlings

  145. with doubt.

  146. Doubt of God's love

  147. and his forgiveness of her.

  148. She was prone

  149. to think that her childlessness,

  150. the cells lost

  151. two infants,

  152. as a mark of defined

  153. displeasure over her sins.

  154. Many notions

  155. that had just been

  156. so customary

  157. and superstitious

  158. just continued on,

  159. had a long afterlife,

  160. even after you have

  161. good biblical teaching.

  162. It takes us a while

  163. to shake off

  164. a lot of our superstitions.

  165. But

  166. all of these struggles

  167. of spirit

  168. certainly did not

  169. render her inactive.

  170. Indeed,

  171. one wonders

  172. when she would have had

  173. any time

  174. for doler

  175. or doldrums

  176. as her days

  177. and nights

  178. seemed not merely laced

  179. but larded

  180. with acts

  181. of mercy

  182. and kindness.

  183. It's often a good way

  184. to get over

  185. your depression

  186. or your sense

  187. of discouragement

  188. is this thing.

  189. Well, let me help

  190. some people

  191. whose lot might be

  192. even a little worse

  193. than mine

  194. and then you forget

  195. you could forget

  196. some of your own

  197. difficulties.

  198. Well,

  199. she definitely had

  200. the gifts of helps

  201. and hospitality.

  202. The edict

  203. of Worms

  204. against Luther

  205. and his followers.

  206. Remember,

  207. that's where Luther

  208. made that celebrated

  209. statement.

  210. Here I stand.

  211. I can do no other.

  212. I need to go

  213. by my conscience

  214. well.

  215. And then

  216. the emperor,

  217. Charles V,

  218. declared Luther

  219. and all his followers

  220. illegal,

  221. religiously illegal

  222. so that any

  223. of their followers

  224. he could be killed

  225. as a just act

  226. of legality

  227. at that time.

  228. That's why

  229. he had to go

  230. into hiding

  231. and it ran

  232. into difficulty

  233. for any sort

  234. of Lutheran

  235. followers.

  236. So,

  237. that edict

  238. of Worms

  239. against Luther

  240. and his followers

  241. sent many a pastor

  242. into hiding

  243. or exile.

  244. A hundred

  245. and fifty

  246. of the men

  247. of the town

  248. of Kensington

  249. accompanied

  250. their pastor

  251. for several miles

  252. to see him

  253. off into some

  254. sort of hiding

  255. place,

  256. trying to protect

  257. him against

  258. the Austrian

  259. troops that were

  260. coming in

  261. to just kill

  262. these pastors.

  263. So,

  264. they're accompanying

  265. him for several

  266. miles to see

  267. him off,

  268. only to discover

  269. when they tried

  270. to come back

  271. into their

  272. town that the

  273. Austrian soldiers

  274. had closed the

  275. gates against

  276. them.

  277. One of their

  278. number was caught

  279. and executed

  280. there and then,

  281. prompting the

  282. others to flee

  283. for their lives,

  284. leaving their

  285. wives in the

  286. town.

  287. They fled to

  288. Strasbourg,

  289. Strasbourg,

  290. and there,

  291. Catherine put

  292. up eighty

  293. of them herself

  294. in her own

  295. home,

  296. feeding sixty

  297. men for

  298. three weeks.

  299. Quite a

  300. remarkable

  301. achievement.

  302. A veritable

  303. hotel manager

  304. and short

  305. order chef

  306. all rolled

  307. into one.

  308. And in the

  309. midst of all

  310. this,

  311. including finding

  312. and organizing

  313. provision for

  314. the others

  315. elsewhere in

  316. the city

  317. of Strasbourg,

  318. she managed

  319. to write

  320. a letter

  321. to the

  322. wives left

  323. back in

  324. Kensington,

  325. which proved

  326. so mightily

  327. consoling that

  328. it was

  329. published.

  330. Here it is,

  331. the suffering

  332. of believing

  333. Christian wives

  334. from the town

  335. of Kensington

  336. with

  337. sisterly,

  338. with your

  339. sister in

  340. Christ,

  341. always at

  342. your service,

  343. Catherine

  344. Schutz,

  345. that was

  346. her maiden

  347. name.

  348. She writes,

  349. to my

  350. fellow sisters

  351. in Christ,

  352. day and

  353. night I

  354. pray God

  355. that he

  356. may increase

  357. your faith

  358. and that you

  359. forget not

  360. his invincible

  361. word,

  362. my thoughts

  363. are not your

  364. thoughts,

  365. saith the

  366. Lord.

  367. The Lord

  368. would wean

  369. you from

  370. this world

  371. that you

  372. may rely

  373. solely upon

  374. him.

  375. Faith is

  376. not a

  377. faith which

  378. is not

  379. tried.

  380. And on

  381. it goes

  382. from

  383. scripture

  384. to

  385. scripture

  386. fostering

  387. faith and

  388. hope in

  389. their sore

  390. trials.

  391. Wonderful,

  392. wonderful

  393. piece.

  394. I'm not

  395. aware that

  396. it's in

  397. English,

  398. but it's

  399. a wonderful

  400. piece published

  401. there.

  402. another

  403. challenge to

  404. Catherine's

  405. skills of

  406. hospitality,

  407. mercy,

  408. and

  409. administration

  410. came when

  411. the

  412. peasants'

  413. war of

  414. 1525

  415. broke out.

  416. There was

  417. a kind of

  418. a peasants'

  419. rebellion and

  420. they were

  421. largely

  422. slaughtered.

  423. And

  424. thousands

  425. upon

  426. thousands

  427. were

  428. massacred

  429. in a

  430. gruesome

  431. bloodbath.

  432. And the

  433. widowed and

  434. the wounded,

  435. the mangled

  436. and the

  437. maimed who

  438. survived of

  439. the peasantry

  440. flocked to

  441. Strasbourg.

  442. Strasbourg was

  443. a city in

  444. Europe that

  445. had a

  446. reputation of

  447. being very

  448. welcoming of

  449. the afflicted,

  450. that wonderful

  451. Christian

  452. reputation.

  453. So they're

  454. flocking to

  455. Strasbourg to

  456. the tune of

  457. 3,000 refugees

  458. coming in,

  459. all desperate

  460. for care.

  461. That would

  462. have been,

  463. just to give

  464. you a sense

  465. of the

  466. numbers,

  467. that would

  468. have been

  469. a ratio

  470. of one

  471. refugee for

  472. every eight

  473. inhabitants of

  474. the city of

  475. Strasbourg.

  476. So it's a

  477. pretty remarkable

  478. challenge.

  479. So Catherine

  480. Zell was

  481. one of the

  482. two given

  483. charge of

  484. this challenge.

  485. So she

  486. had to

  487. organize the

  488. lodging,

  489. requisitioning a

  490. large Franciscan

  491. church for

  492. starters,

  493. and then

  494. spreading the

  495. rest throughout

  496. the city in

  497. private quarters,

  498. and then

  499. food.

  500. She had to

  501. feed them

  502. all.

  503. So just

  504. call her

  505. Catherine the

  506. Catering Queen.

  507. And this

  508. crisis lasted

  509. for a half

  510. a year

  511. before the

  512. war subsided

  513. and the

  514. refugees were

  515. able to

  516. return to

  517. their farms.

  518. So I

  519. speculate that

  520. it was during

  521. this period

  522. that Catherine

  523. acquired a

  524. certain

  525. executive

  526. tone.

  527. She is

  528. a trifle

  529. imperious,

  530. Busser once

  531. remarked of

  532. Catherine.

  533. Well,

  534. compared to

  535. these feats,

  536. it must have

  537. been child's

  538. play to

  539. host Zwingli

  540. of Zurich and

  541. Uckelampadius of

  542. Basel on their

  543. way to meet

  544. Luther and

  545. Melanchthon for

  546. their colloquy

  547. of Marburg.

  548. For 14

  549. days, I was

  550. their cook and

  551. maid, writes

  552. Catherine.

  553. No doubt she

  554. was hoping for

  555. reproachment

  556. between the

  557. Reformation

  558. leaders and

  559. when news

  560. came back to

  561. Strasbourg that

  562. Luther had

  563. declined to

  564. unite.

  565. You remember

  566. at the

  567. colloquy of

  568. Marburg,

  569. Zwingli and

  570. Luther produced

  571. an agreement

  572. on 28 of

  573. 29 tenants of

  574. their faith and

  575. the one thing

  576. that they didn't

  577. agree on was

  578. their understanding

  579. of the Lord's

  580. Supper.

  581. Zwingli took a

  582. symbolic view

  583. and Luther

  584. took a

  585. realist view.

  586. So when

  587. Zwingli offered

  588. Luther his

  589. hand at the

  590. end of

  591. Christian

  592. companionship,

  593. Luther wouldn't

  594. take it.

  595. So Catherine

  596. darted off a

  597. chiding letter

  598. to the great

  599. theologian,

  600. pleading that

  601. love ought to

  602. be above all

  603. else.

  604. She got a

  605. swift response.

  606. Yes, wrote

  607. Luther, except

  608. where God's

  609. word is at

  610. stake.

  611. Catherine and

  612. her husband

  613. were not

  614. always the

  615. hosts, for

  616. they also

  617. traveled a

  618. good bit

  619. together.

  620. They did

  621. so together

  622. to Switzerland,

  623. Constance,

  624. Swabia,

  625. Nuremberg,

  626. the Palatinate,

  627. and even

  628. once the

  629. 600-mile

  630. journey to

  631. Wittenberg to

  632. visit Luther and

  633. Melanchthon.

  634. Now the

  635. cells, Matthew

  636. and Catherine,

  637. were wider in

  638. their friendship

  639. and fellowship

  640. than Luther.

  641. Theirs was a

  642. refreshing breeze

  643. in an age of

  644. pretty stormy

  645. animosities.

  646. Anyone who

  647. acknowledges

  648. Christ as the

  649. true son of

  650. God and the

  651. sole savior of

  652. mankind is

  653. welcome at our

  654. table, said

  655. her husband,

  656. Matthew.

  657. And it is

  658. clear that

  659. Catherine had

  660. an equally

  661. hospitable

  662. soul.

  663. Even when she

  664. didn't see eye

  665. to eye

  666. theologically with

  667. another, this

  668. was to her

  669. no disqualifier

  670. for showing

  671. them charity

  672. and kindness.

  673. This is

  674. Melchior

  675. Hoffman

  676. there, who

  677. is kind of a

  678. fringe figure,

  679. and indeed

  680. neither this

  681. radical fringe

  682. figure of

  683. Melchior

  684. Hoffman.

  685. When he was

  686. imprisoned in

  687. Strasbourg, it

  688. was Catherine

  689. who visited

  690. him and

  691. showed him

  692. kindness,

  693. never neglecting

  694. neighborliness

  695. despite doctrinal

  696. disagreements.

  697. Melchior

  698. Hoffman had

  699. come to

  700. Strasbourg

  701. because of a

  702. prophecy that

  703. he would be

  704. imprisoned there

  705. for six months

  706. and then at

  707. the coming of

  708. the Lord would

  709. lead the

  710. 144,000 saints

  711. in a slaughter

  712. of the ungodly.

  713. So a fringe

  714. figure.

  715. Only the first

  716. part of that

  717. prophecy came

  718. true.

  719. He was indeed

  720. imprisoned in

  721. Strasbourg and

  722. that was only

  723. partially fulfilled

  724. for he languished

  725. in prison there

  726. not for six

  727. months but for

  728. ten years

  729. until his

  730. death.

  731. But we

  732. find

  733. recurring

  734. again and

  735. again in

  736. the council

  737. records this

  738. entry in

  739. their book.

  740. Mrs.

  741. Zell granted

  742. permission to

  743. visit a poor

  744. prisoner under

  745. sentence of

  746. death.

  747. No one

  748. else visited

  749. him.

  750. In 1548

  751. her faithful

  752. friend and

  753. companion of

  754. 25 years,

  755. her husband,

  756. whom she had

  757. helped so

  758. well, bid

  759. her a final

  760. farewell.

  761. After

  762. Gusser

  763. delivered the

  764. eulogy,

  765. Catherine

  766. delivered an

  767. address.

  768. Women

  769. in that

  770. day and

  771. the incident

  772. incited the

  773. allegation that

  774. she aspired to

  775. a preaching

  776. post in the

  777. city.

  778. Dr.

  779. Katarina,

  780. some dubbed

  781. her disapprovingly.

  782. Well, she

  783. fired back,

  784. I am not

  785. usurping the

  786. office of a

  787. preacher or an

  788. apostle, she

  789. insisted.

  790. I am like

  791. the dear

  792. Mary Magdalene

  793. who has

  794. not thought

  795. of being an

  796. apostle,

  797. who without,

  798. sorry, who

  799. with no

  800. thought of

  801. being an

  802. apostle,

  803. came to

  804. tell the

  805. disciples that

  806. she had

  807. encountered

  808. the risen

  809. Lord.

  810. Catherine

  811. made it

  812. through the

  813. immediate

  814. aftermath of

  815. her husband's

  816. death, but

  817. shortly

  818. thereafter she

  819. collapsed.

  820. Her friends

  821. persuaded her to

  822. take a break,

  823. to get away from

  824. Strasbourg and

  825. for some rest

  826. and restoration

  827. and Basel was

  828. suggested.

  829. And Busser

  830. knew a

  831. pastor there,

  832. Oswald

  833. Myconius,

  834. and wrote to

  835. him to receive

  836. her.

  837. Here is,

  838. there's Oswald

  839. Myconius there.

  840. So Busser

  841. writes to

  842. him, his

  843. reforming

  844. pastor friend,

  845. the widow

  846. of our

  847. wonderful

  848. cell, a

  849. godly and

  850. saintly woman

  851. comes to

  852. you that

  853. perchance she

  854. may find some

  855. solace for her

  856. grief.

  857. She is human,

  858. I suppose with

  859. her achievements

  860. some doubted

  861. this.

  862. How does the

  863. heavenly father

  864. humble those

  865. endowed with

  866. the greatest of

  867. gifts?

  868. Her zeal is

  869. incredible for

  870. Christ's lowliest

  871. and afflicted.

  872. She knows

  873. and searches

  874. the mysteries

  875. of Christ.

  876. Comfort her

  877. patiently for

  878. the love of

  879. her husband,

  880. a sincere and

  881. faithful servant

  882. of Christ.

  883. From Basel,

  884. Katharina went

  885. to Zurich for

  886. a visit in the

  887. home of the

  888. eminent Hebraist

  889. Conrad Pelican.

  890. There is

  891. Conrad Pelican.

  892. Her thank you

  893. note after

  894. staying with

  895. Pelican,

  896. with the

  897. Pelicans,

  898. along with a

  899. very nice

  900. gift.

  901. I am sending

  902. your wife and

  903. your daughter-in-law

  904. each a pound of

  905. flax for spinning

  906. shawls.

  907. Reported

  908. the,

  909. her concern

  910. with the

  911. introduction of

  912. the interim

  913. compromise into

  914. Strasbourg.

  915. So as battle

  916. between the

  917. Protestants,

  918. literal,

  919. literal warfare

  920. between the

  921. Protestants and

  922. the Catholics

  923. kept unfolding

  924. across Europe.

  925. The upper hand

  926. went to the

  927. Catholics at this

  928. time and

  929. they imposed

  930. an interim

  931. compromise

  932. into Strasbourg.

  933. We do not

  934. know what

  935. is in store

  936. for us in

  937. Strasbourg.

  938. She was

  939. relieved,

  940. however,

  941. that she was

  942. not evicted

  943. from her home,

  944. but if it

  945. would be so,

  946. she had

  947. another dwelling

  948. place.

  949. She writes,

  950. I have been

  951. allowed to

  952. keep the

  953. parsonage.

  954. I take

  955. anyone who

  956. comes,

  957. it is always

  958. full.

  959. I don't

  960. know how

  961. long I

  962. can keep

  963. it.

  964. One thing

  965. have I

  966. desired of

  967. the Lord,

  968. that will

  969. I seek

  970. after,

  971. that I

  972. may dwell

  973. in the

  974. house of

  975. the Lord,

  976. to behold

  977. my noble

  978. husband and

  979. all the

  980. saints in

  981. the vision

  982. of God

  983. and Christ.

  984. Well,

  985. this

  986. Catholic

  987. enforced

  988. interim,

  989. which

  990. concerned

  991. Catherine,

  992. meant

  993. exile for

  994. two of

  995. Strasbourg's

  996. eminent

  997. ministers,

  998. Busser and

  999. Faggius,

  1000. and actually

  1001. there were

  1002. three,

  1003. also Vermilli,

  1004. Peter Martyr

  1005. Vermilli.

  1006. They were

  1007. determined to

  1008. immigrate to

  1009. England,

  1010. but couldn't

  1011. quite pack up

  1012. all the kids

  1013. and the crates

  1014. in the time

  1015. that they were

  1016. allotted.

  1017. They had a

  1018. very specific

  1019. time allotted

  1020. that they were

  1021. allowed to get

  1022. out.

  1023. so they

  1024. overstayed

  1025. their immunity

  1026. to arrest

  1027. by a

  1028. hazardous

  1029. three weeks.

  1030. And remember,

  1031. once their

  1032. time was up,

  1033. anybody was

  1034. free to

  1035. take their

  1036. life.

  1037. So very,

  1038. very dangerous.

  1039. So during

  1040. this time of

  1041. three weeks,

  1042. Catherine

  1043. managed to

  1044. hide them

  1045. in different

  1046. places.

  1047. And she

  1048. certainly knew

  1049. all of the

  1050. places that

  1051. you could

  1052. stuff people

  1053. in Strasbourg

  1054. from the

  1055. refugee crisis,

  1056. her refugee

  1057. placement program.

  1058. Well,

  1059. when they

  1060. finally got

  1061. off safely,

  1062. they left

  1063. her two

  1064. gold pieces

  1065. out of

  1066. gratitude.

  1067. She wrote

  1068. back,

  1069. you put

  1070. me to

  1071. shame to

  1072. think that

  1073. you would

  1074. leave money

  1075. for me as

  1076. if I would

  1077. take a

  1078. heller from

  1079. you poor

  1080. pilgrims,

  1081. a penny.

  1082. My

  1083. reverend

  1084. ministers,

  1085. I wish

  1086. I could

  1087. have done

  1088. better for

  1089. you,

  1090. but my

  1091. Matthew

  1092. has taken

  1093. all of

  1094. my gaiety

  1095. with him.

  1096. I intended

  1097. to return

  1098. the two

  1099. gold pieces

  1100. with this

  1101. letter as

  1102. Joseph put

  1103. the money

  1104. in the

  1105. sack of

  1106. his brother,

  1107. but a

  1108. refugee

  1109. minister

  1110. has just

  1111. come in

  1112. with five

  1113. children and

  1114. the wife

  1115. of another

  1116. who saw

  1117. her husband

  1118. beheaded

  1119. before her

  1120. eyes.

  1121. I divided

  1122. the one

  1123. gold piece

  1124. between

  1125. them as

  1126. a present

  1127. from you,

  1128. the other

  1129. eye

  1130. enclose.

  1131. You will

  1132. doubtless

  1133. need it.

  1134. So Catherine

  1135. was now

  1136. 60 years

  1137. old and

  1138. her health

  1139. began to

  1140. fail,

  1141. but her

  1142. indomitable

  1143. zeal did

  1144. not flag.

  1145. In 1558,

  1146. one of the

  1147. chief magistrates

  1148. of Strasbourg,

  1149. Felix Ambrosioter,

  1150. was stricken

  1151. with a

  1152. dreaded

  1153. leprosy

  1154. and

  1155. consequently

  1156. quarantined

  1157. in a little

  1158. hut beyond

  1159. the city

  1160. walls.

  1161. They would

  1162. separate you

  1163. way away

  1164. from any

  1165. society

  1166. at all.

  1167. Not even

  1168. his family

  1169. were given

  1170. leave to

  1171. attend to

  1172. him.

  1173. No one

  1174. dared to

  1175. relieve his

  1176. utter

  1177. isolation.

  1178. They were

  1179. so afraid

  1180. of

  1181. contagion

  1182. except

  1183. one,

  1184. Catherine.

  1185. She

  1186. visited him

  1187. frequently

  1188. and even

  1189. wrote for

  1190. his

  1191. consolation

  1192. a little

  1193. treatise.

  1194. Here's

  1195. how it

  1196. begins.

  1197. My dear

  1198. Lord Felix,

  1199. since we

  1200. have known

  1201. each other

  1202. for a

  1203. full 30

  1204. years,

  1205. I am

  1206. moved to

  1207. visit you

  1208. in your

  1209. long and

  1210. frightful

  1211. illness.

  1212. I have

  1213. not been

  1214. able to

  1215. come as

  1216. often as

  1217. I would

  1218. like because

  1219. of the

  1220. load here

  1221. for the

  1222. poor and

  1223. the sick,

  1224. but you

  1225. have ever

  1226. been in

  1227. my thoughts.

  1228. We have

  1229. often talked

  1230. of how you

  1231. have been

  1232. stricken,

  1233. cut off

  1234. from rank

  1235. office,

  1236. from your

  1237. wife and

  1238. friends,

  1239. from all

  1240. dealings with

  1241. the world

  1242. which recoils

  1243. from your

  1244. loathsome

  1245. disease and

  1246. leaves you

  1247. in utter

  1248. loneliness.

  1249. At first

  1250. you were

  1251. bitter and

  1252. utterly cast

  1253. down,

  1254. till God

  1255. gave you

  1256. strength and

  1257. patience,

  1258. and now you

  1259. are able to

  1260. thank him

  1261. that out of

  1262. love he has

  1263. taught you to

  1264. bear the

  1265. cross.

  1266. Because I

  1267. know that your

  1268. illness weighs

  1269. upon you

  1270. daily and

  1271. may easily

  1272. cause you

  1273. again to

  1274. fall into

  1275. despair and

  1276. rebelliousness,

  1277. I have

  1278. gathered some

  1279. passages which

  1280. may make your

  1281. yoke light in

  1282. spirit,

  1283. though not in

  1284. the flesh.

  1285. love he has

  1286. done.

  1287. She takes the

  1288. lonely yet

  1289. loved leper

  1290. through various

  1291. verses with

  1292. her comforting

  1293. comments for

  1294. his meditation.

  1295. Catherine also

  1296. sought to care

  1297. for a nephew

  1298. who was plagued

  1299. with syphilis.

  1300. In fact, to

  1301. this end, she

  1302. temporarily moved

  1303. into the

  1304. institution in

  1305. which he was

  1306. being treated.

  1307. and no

  1308. sooner had

  1309. Catherine moved

  1310. in than the

  1311. gifted administrator

  1312. in her discern

  1313. numerous changes

  1314. that were

  1315. absolutely needed.

  1316. She shot off a

  1317. letter to the

  1318. town council

  1319. and in it

  1320. she writes,

  1321. the manager

  1322. and his wife

  1323. live in luxury

  1324. and neglect

  1325. the patients.

  1326. beds rot,

  1327. water is not

  1328. heated for

  1329. baths,

  1330. tough,

  1331. and sometimes

  1332. wormy meat

  1333. is served

  1334. indiscriminately,

  1335. whereas some

  1336. require a

  1337. soft diet.

  1338. There is no

  1339. religious instruction

  1340. and some

  1341. patients do not

  1342. even know

  1343. the Lord's

  1344. prayer.

  1345. The manager

  1346. grumbles a

  1347. grace so that

  1348. one cannot tell

  1349. whether he

  1350. might not be

  1351. swearing.

  1352. The mercury

  1353. cure martyrs

  1354. the patients.

  1355. There should be

  1356. a dedicated

  1357. couple in

  1358. charge.

  1359. The number

  1360. of maids

  1361. should be

  1362. reduced.

  1363. The fewer,

  1364. the less

  1365. quarreling.

  1366. Get rid of

  1367. the savage

  1368. dog which

  1369. mangles all

  1370. the cats.

  1371. Give up

  1372. swine and

  1373. goats in

  1374. favor of a

  1375. hundred hens.

  1376. Have religious

  1377. instruction every

  1378. morning while the

  1379. heart is fresh.

  1380. For medication,

  1381. use only

  1382. goyak.

  1383. Whatever that

  1384. is.

  1385. Well, it was

  1386. obvious that

  1387. Catherine knew

  1388. just how to

  1389. run that

  1390. place and

  1391. her

  1392. recommendations

  1393. were adopted

  1394. in toto,

  1395. much to the

  1396. relief of the

  1397. grateful

  1398. patients.

  1399. Not only

  1400. elemasinary but

  1401. also educational

  1402. efforts animated

  1403. Catherine.

  1404. Early, while her

  1405. husband was still

  1406. living, and

  1407. Matthew

  1408. incidentally

  1409. shared her

  1410. concern for

  1411. popular education

  1412. composing two

  1413. simple catechisms

  1414. for children,

  1415. Catalina issued

  1416. a collection of

  1417. hymns sold in

  1418. four little

  1419. pamphlets for

  1420. a penny a

  1421. piece to

  1422. ensure wide

  1423. circulation.

  1424. Very, very

  1425. cheap for that

  1426. day.

  1427. A heller.

  1428. In the

  1429. preface,

  1430. Catherine wrote,

  1431. when I read

  1432. these hymns, I

  1433. felt that the

  1434. writer had the

  1435. whole Bible in

  1436. his heart.

  1437. This is not

  1438. just a hymn

  1439. book, but a

  1440. lesson book of

  1441. prayer and

  1442. praise.

  1443. When so many

  1444. filthy songs are

  1445. on the lips of

  1446. men and women

  1447. and even

  1448. children, I

  1449. think it well

  1450. that folk

  1451. should, with

  1452. lusty zeal and

  1453. clear voice, sing

  1454. the songs of

  1455. their salvation.

  1456. God is glad

  1457. when the

  1458. craftsman at

  1459. his bench, the

  1460. maid at the

  1461. sink, the

  1462. farmer at the

  1463. plow, the

  1464. dresser at the

  1465. vines, the

  1466. mother at the

  1467. cradle, break

  1468. forth in hymns

  1469. of prayer, praise,

  1470. and instruction.

  1471. Well, when the

  1472. interim ended in

  1473. the situation in

  1474. Strasbourg, in

  1475. her mind, scarcely

  1476. improved, at

  1477. least from her

  1478. point of view, for

  1479. the city then came

  1480. to be dominated by

  1481. stridently doctrinaire

  1482. Lutherans, zealous

  1483. to discern and

  1484. denounce the

  1485. slightest dogmatic

  1486. deviance from

  1487. their own narrow

  1488. creed.

  1489. once during a

  1490. Christmas sermon,

  1491. one of the most

  1492. rabid of them

  1493. all, his name

  1494. was actually

  1495. Ludwig Rabus, he

  1496. digressed from his

  1497. edifying text and

  1498. descended into

  1499. unedifying railing

  1500. against Schwenkfeld

  1501. by slandering him

  1502. as Stinkfeld, that

  1503. emissary from

  1504. Satan.

  1505. It was so that you

  1506. can kind of pun on

  1507. his name and make

  1508. it sound a lot

  1509. like a stinking

  1510. manure field.

  1511. So, in those days

  1512. they were no

  1513. strangers to

  1514. lampoon.

  1515. Well, Catherine

  1516. considered this

  1517. bereft of charity

  1518. and she

  1519. remonstrated with

  1520. Rabus in

  1521. private.

  1522. For this private

  1523. rebuke, Rabus

  1524. called Catherine a

  1525. disturber of the

  1526. peace.

  1527. But with this, he

  1528. seemed to have

  1529. tripped a wire and

  1530. she gave him a

  1531. peace of her mind.

  1532. And I certainly

  1533. think he had it

  1534. coming.

  1535. A disturber of

  1536. the peace am I.

  1537. Yes, indeed, my

  1538. own peace.

  1539. Do you call this

  1540. disturbing the peace?

  1541. That instead of

  1542. spending my time in

  1543. frivolous amusements,

  1544. I have visited the

  1545. plague infested and

  1546. carried out the

  1547. dead.

  1548. I have visited those

  1549. in prison and under

  1550. sentence of death,

  1551. often for three days

  1552. and three nights.

  1553. I have neither eaten

  1554. nor slept.

  1555. I have neither mounted

  1556. the pulpit.

  1557. I have never mounted

  1558. the pulpit, but I

  1559. have done more than

  1560. any minister in

  1561. visiting those in

  1562. misery.

  1563. Is this disturbing the

  1564. peace of the church?

  1565. Why do you rail at

  1566. Schwenkfeld?

  1567. You talk as if you

  1568. would have him burned

  1569. like poor Servetus in

  1570. Geneva.

  1571. You say that you have

  1572. left Strasbourg and

  1573. gone to Ulm because the

  1574. ministers here are too

  1575. lenient toward the

  1576. Schwenkfelders, the

  1577. Zviglians, or the

  1578. Anabaptists.

  1579. You behave as if you

  1580. have been brought up by

  1581. savages in a jungle.

  1582. The Anabaptists are

  1583. pursued as by a hunter

  1584. with dogs chasing wild

  1585. boars.

  1586. Yet the Anabaptists

  1587. accept Christ in all

  1588. essentials as we do.

  1589. They have borne witness

  1590. to their faith in

  1591. misery, prison, fire,

  1592. and water.

  1593. You young fellows tread

  1594. on the graves of the

  1595. first fathers of this

  1596. church in Strasbourg and

  1597. punish all who disagree

  1598. with you, but faith

  1599. cannot be forced.

  1600. You say that Strasbourg,

  1601. by her laxity, is a shame

  1602. and a scorn to all

  1603. Germany.

  1604. Not yet, my dear fellow.

  1605. She is rather an

  1606. example of mercy and

  1607. compassion.

  1608. My Matthew testified in

  1609. private, and from the

  1610. pulpit also, that he

  1611. would not be guilty of

  1612. the crucifixion of these

  1613. poor folk.

  1614. The good Samaritan, when

  1615. he came upon the man who

  1616. had fallen among thieves,

  1617. did not ask him to what

  1618. denomination he belonged,

  1619. but put him on his ass

  1620. and took him to an inn.

  1621. Remember the words of the

  1622. Lord Jesus, I am meek and

  1623. lowly of heart.

  1624. Well, Catherine's last

  1625. service was to a disciple

  1626. of Schwenkfeld, the wife

  1627. of a distinguished

  1628. physician.

  1629. On her death, the husband

  1630. asked if one of the

  1631. pastors would conduct the

  1632. funeral.

  1633. Only on the understanding

  1634. that I will declare her to

  1635. have fallen away from the

  1636. faith, came the reply.

  1637. Well, the husband sadly

  1638. declined and planned the

  1639. service-less internment at

  1640. 6 a.m.

  1641. when none would notice.

  1642. Well, somehow Catherine

  1643. heard.

  1644. Too weak now to walk, she

  1645. had a carriage bring her to

  1646. the spot at that hour and

  1647. herself conducted the

  1648. service.

  1649. The town council, hearing of

  1650. the act, decreed that if

  1651. Catherine got well, she

  1652. should be reprimanded.

  1653. Well, the reprimand, that

  1654. reprimand was never given.

  1655. Indeed, perhaps the reverse

  1656. was given her.

  1657. For shortly after that, she

  1658. died in her 64th year, 16,

  1659. sorry, 1562, leaving behind

  1660. her, in many, a memory of a

  1661. strong and sweet savor of her

  1662. savior.

  1663. She had welcomed the

  1664. stranger, comforted the

  1665. sorrowful, befriended the

  1666. lonely, allayed the wounds of

  1667. the suffering.

  1668. Her gospel wells ran deep, and

  1669. out of them she drew to

  1670. refresh many.

  1671. Her life was a veritable

  1672. orchard of the fruits of the

  1673. spirit.

  1674. Oh, God, to raise up more

  1675. Catherine Zell among us.

  1676. Well, I have another profile

  1677. that I'd like to hit, but I

  1678. wondered if you, we may take

  1679. a few minutes if you had any

  1680. questions about Catherine Zell,

  1681. and then I'm going to finish up

  1682. some of the time that we have.

  1683. Do we still have a little

  1684. time?

  1685. Okay.

  1686. Or would you like me just to

  1687. go on, and then we can ask

  1688. questions about both?

  1689. Strasburg was German at this

  1690. time?

  1691. Yes.

  1692. Yes, exactly.

  1693. German speaking.

  1694. All right, I'll go on, and then

  1695. we can ask them.

  1696. Oh, that was, that was, there's

  1697. Schwenkfeld, there's Schwenkfeld.

  1698. Vibrondus Rosenblatt.

  1699. Surely, one of the most inside

  1700. views of the Reformation would

  1701. have to have been that possessed

  1702. by the much married Vibrondus

  1703. Rosenblatt.

  1704. For in her matrimonial migrations,

  1705. she would be the wife for,

  1706. she would be the wife successively

  1707. of three of the principal leaders

  1708. of the Reformation.

  1709. Vibrondus was born at Basel in 1504.

  1710. 1504.

  1711. There's Basel in the time.

  1712. Ironically, she was named after

  1713. the remains of a saint, Vibrondus,

  1714. which lay in the altar of the

  1715. Basel Cathedral, from which very

  1716. pulpit, one of her future husbands

  1717. would denounce such relic-revering

  1718. practices as being named after the

  1719. relic of a saint.

  1720. Not quite 20, she was married to the

  1721. esteemed Basel humanist, Ludwig Keller.

  1722. Among the several things Keller must

  1723. have liked in his new wife was her

  1724. name, for he decided to call the

  1725. daughter that she bore him by that

  1726. very name, Vibrondus II.

  1727. The first marriage proved short, for

  1728. her husband died only two years after

  1729. their marriage, leaving Vibrondus a widow

  1730. with child at 22 years old.

  1731. Her consequent availability proved a

  1732. happy circumstance for a certain Basel

  1733. bachelor.

  1734. It was unlikely that she would not have

  1735. noticed him in the city, for his post as

  1736. principal preacher would have rendered him

  1737. as prominent as his pendulous promontory

  1738. of a nose.

  1739. Look at that guy.

  1740. Wow.

  1741. Gaunt, stooped, ill-nourished.

  1742. He appeared to some as a mere sack of bones

  1743. and friends of the gospel feared that he

  1744. might, that they might lose him to the

  1745. cause unless there would be someone to

  1746. feed him some square meals and tell him

  1747. when to blow out his candle for the

  1748. night.

  1749. Concern was heightened now that his

  1750. mother, who had tried to perform that

  1751. role for him, had died, leaving him to

  1752. fend for himself and to take care of his

  1753. aged father.

  1754. His old friend, Wolfgang Capito, who we

  1755. saw before, wrote to prompt him,

  1756. Marriage is honorable and especially for a

  1757. Christian pastor.

  1758. If a suitable person is pointed out to you,

  1759. I think you should not decline.

  1760. To have a mate of like zeal will be a

  1761. glory to the Lord.

  1762. Then wondering if the old bachelor might

  1763. be inadequately discriminating, added,

  1764. but there is no greater cross than to be

  1765. married to a daughter of Belial.

  1766. So watch out for that, gentlemen.

  1767. Seeking to allay his fears, Ucullumpadius,

  1768. so that's who that is, Ucullumpadius.

  1769. That's kind of a, that's a aggressor-sized

  1770. version of his German name, Hauschein or

  1771. Hauslamp.

  1772. So Ucullumpadius is Latin for, sorry,

  1773. Greek for Hauslamp.

  1774. He replied, don't worry about my

  1775. marrying.

  1776. Either I will find a Christian sister like

  1777. Monica, that's the mother of Augustine,

  1778. like Monica, or I'll remain unmarried.

  1779. Such a woman is a rare bird, but perhaps

  1780. one can be netted.

  1781. Well, he found in Vibrondus a Monica-like

  1782. sister and netted her March 15th, 1528.

  1783. She was 24.

  1784. He was 45.

  1785. Some thought them ill-matched, focusing on

  1786. the physical.

  1787. One commented uncharitably, a decrepit

  1788. old man with trembling head and body,

  1789. so emaciated and wasted that you might

  1790. well call him a living corpse, has

  1791. married an elegant and blooming girl of

  1792. 20, more or less.

  1793. Erasmus teased that it was a rather

  1794. indulgent thing to do for Lent, scarcely

  1795. castigating the flesh to take a 20-year-old

  1796. wife.

  1797. But Ucullumpadius had not netted her for

  1798. form or face, but for her faith.

  1799. He wrote to Pharrell,

  1800. The Lord has given me a sister and wife.

  1801. She is well-versed in the knowledge of

  1802. Christ, with several years' experience of

  1803. bearing the cross.

  1804. And before long, she was also bearing a

  1805. son, Eusebius, born on Christmas Eve, 1528.

  1806. It would be an eventful year for the Ucullumpadiuses, for the

  1807. arrival of their first coincided with the dramatic crescendo of the

  1808. Reformation surge in the city, the storming of the cathedral and the

  1809. bonfire of the vanities.

  1810. Happily, their new baby was not colic.

  1811. Eusebius, reported Ucullumpadius, is a gentle and quiet child, unless hungry, thirsty, or in

  1812. need of a change.

  1813. But the father also noted, he is very subject to colds and coughing, and I fear he will

  1814. not live long.

  1815. He would live only to 13 years old.

  1816. Other children came, two daughters, whom they named Alethea, Truth, and Irene, Peace.

  1817. Vibrondus, her ever-burgeoning home, was constantly the site of hospitality, offered to many of the

  1818. leaders of the Reformation.

  1819. Zwingli visited, and Wolfgang Capito sampled her cooking, little knowing that in the future

  1820. he would enjoy a good bit more of it.

  1821. Even Servetus dropped by.

  1822. Soon, Vibrondus was exchanging letters with Anna Zwingli, Agnes Capito, Elizabeth Busser.

  1823. When in 1531, Zwingli died upon the field of Capel, Ucullumpadius was invited to Zurich

  1824. to replace the fallen leader.

  1825. He declined, probably sensing that for him the sands were low.

  1826. And indeed, in a month, he followed his friend to the grave.

  1827. So Vibrondus was thus at 26, for the second time a widow, now with four small children.

  1828. That very month, in Strasbourg, Capito's wife, Agnes, was taken.

  1829. And Busser, you remember, who was always active in finding wives for his colleagues, cast his

  1830. eye about for a new wife for the widower, fearing that, given Capito's inclination to depression,

  1831. the bitter loss would take a devastating toll.

  1832. He didn't have to look very far.

  1833. He revealed to a friend his matchmaking ambition.

  1834. My choice for Capito is the widow of Ucullumpadius.

  1835. And it seemed Capito already had Vibrondus on his mind, feeling for her loss.

  1836. He, referring to Capito, Capito writes me that he has been very touched by the sight of the

  1837. widow Vibrondus and all her orphaned children.

  1838. Busser proposed to Capito that a trip would do him good and suggested the beautiful city

  1839. of Basel.

  1840. Why, you could drop in on the widow Vibrondus while you're there and offer her some comfort.

  1841. Capito thought the trip a fine idea.

  1842. When he arrived at Basel, he offered Vibrondus more than comfort.

  1843. He offered her his hand.

  1844. Oh, my, here is, there is Wolfgang Capito, her next husband.

  1845. Um, uh, they were married on August 11th, 1532, much to the glee and satisfaction of Busser.

  1846. Uh, of course, when Capito returned with his new wife, the family included the four children

  1847. and Vibrondus' mother.

  1848. Okay.

  1849. So she, remember she had, she had children from first marriage, Keller.

  1850. She had, uh, two from, uh, uh, then she had Aletha.

  1851. So Eusebius, Irena, and Alethea from Ucculumpadius.

  1852. So those four, uh, Vibrondus slotted into the new routine quite easily as her new husband's

  1853. life, uh, scarcely differed from that of her late husband, both being pastor professors.

  1854. Uh, the daily round she took in stride.

  1855. Her energies were strained, however, by keeping the cradle full.

  1856. To Capito, she bore five more children.

  1857. Um, her good friend in Strasbourg, Elizabeth Busser, had born her husband, Martin, 13 children.

  1858. Uh, those after church picnics must've been pretty lively when both the Capitos and the

  1859. Bussers showed up in full strength.

  1860. Uh, but in 1541, the plague struck Strasbourg, claiming 3,200 lives across the city.

  1861. At the Busser household, only one child of the 13 survived the deadly scourge.

  1862. Uh, Nathaniel, the one that survived, was a severely mentally and physically handicapped

  1863. son.

  1864. And Elizabeth herself was taken.

  1865. Uh, she might have saved her life had she left the city at the outbreak of the epidemic.

  1866. But her husband, Martin Busser, would not leave his flock and she would not leave her husband.

  1867. In the Capito household, the plague took Eusebius, the son of Vibrondus by Ocolampadius and Dorothea

  1868. and Wolfgang and Christoph, uh, two of her other children by Capito and Capito himself.

  1869. So Vibrondus was again widowed with four surviving children and an aged mother.

  1870. She's 47 now.

  1871. As Elizabeth Busser lay stricken, it's hard to keep all these names.

  1872. Elizabeth Busser lay stricken on her deathbed with the plague.

  1873. Catherine Sell came to bring the news of Wolfgang Capito's death.

  1874. Elizabeth, aware that for her, the bell would shortly toll, asked her husband, Martin Busser,

  1875. to take the place of his colleague Capito by taking the widowed Vibrondus to be his wife.

  1876. Now, Busser answered only by tears.

  1877. I mean, his wife's not even dead yet and she's arranging for the next, the next wife.

  1878. Uh, yet Elizabeth insisted and sent for Vibrondus who, having been only just widowed the night

  1879. before, hesitated to be seen in public by day.

  1880. She came by night and received Elizabeth's dying plea to care for her husband as his wife

  1881. when she died.

  1882. The wish of Elizabeth was fulfilled.

  1883. In April 1542, Vibrondus took her place beside Martin Busser as his wife, he being her fourth husband.

  1884. So there's Martin Busser.

  1885. That's her husband now.

  1886. Vibrondus proved a good wife to Busser.

  1887. He wrote to a friend,

  1888. I only hope I can be as kind to my new wife as she is to me,

  1889. but oh for the pang for the one that I have lost.

  1890. The new Busser household, though sorely reduced by the plague, was still not small.

  1891. And Vibrondus certainly had her hands full.

  1892. So Busser had a surviving son.

  1893. Vibrondus brought her mother and four children, making for a family of eight, along with Vibrondus'

  1894. mother and Busser's father with his father's second wife.

  1895. So a lot of, a lot of ages.

  1896. And soon more children arrived to the new couple.

  1897. Though they were now at double digits of kids, they decided to augment their brood still further

  1898. through adoption.

  1899. They adopted a niece of Vibrondus, Margareta Rosenblatt.

  1900. So it must have felt like a Sunday school when they all gathered around the table.

  1901. Before and after every meal, Busser would read a chapter from scripture, followed by comment.

  1902. Said one lodger,

  1903. I always went away from this table more instructed, with doubts dissolved and confusion clarified.

  1904. I find myself wondering how Busser was able to get so much done in his life, in the midst of this nursery of little needy ones.

  1905. There's indication that he managed by staying up the balance of the night.

  1906. An Italian immigrant who stayed in the Busser household for 17 days recalled of Busser,

  1907. he devotes his nights to study and prayer, and I have never awakened to find, without finding him still up.

  1908. It's probably what made him so susceptible to plague is they were sleep deprived too.

  1909. Not a helpful thing.

  1910. But even if we imagine Busser helping with a burgeoning brood, went around during the day,

  1911. there were plenty of seasons when he was not around,

  1912. and Vibrondus had to hold down the fort without him.

  1913. On one occasion, Busser was away on a trip for an entire year.

  1914. She did, of course, have a mother to help out,

  1915. but not infrequently she, being well advanced in years, required more help than she could offer.

  1916. In February 1548, a friend wrote,

  1917. Another long absence came when Busser was called away to England

  1918. to fill the Regis professorship at Cambridge of theology.

  1919. He went out ahead and hoped Vibrondus and the family would join him once he was settled into a home.

  1920. She must have been quite secure in their relationship,

  1921. along with a possession of a robust humor,

  1922. for her old friend, who was with Busser in England, wrote to her teasingly,

  1923. You'd better come to care for Busser, else he might marry someone else.

  1924. The Duchess of Suffolk would have him in a moment.

  1925. She is a widow.

  1926. Well, whatever were the hopes of the Duchess of Suffolk, it is clear what Busser wanted.

  1927. He wrote expressing the hope that she might join him soon.

  1928. How I'd love to have you here, but we are in the Lord's hands.

  1929. While it is obvious that it was Vibrondus he missed,

  1930. it was also evident that he missed all the practical ways in which she took care of him,

  1931. for he was not managing too well on his own.

  1932. At the end of his plea for her to join him, he adds,

  1933. But if you cannot come, I wonder if a trusty brother and his wife might come and cook for me

  1934. and look after the house.

  1935. You know what kind of a housekeeper I am.

  1936. If I could have that hope, I could the better spare you until the times improve,

  1937. but I am in the Lord's hands.

  1938. His final PS was a request for certain books she might obtain for him.

  1939. Thus, Vibrondus also acted as a book agent, it seems.

  1940. It was not easy for Busser to be away from his family.

  1941. Truly, it is no light cross to give up one's own household, he wrote.

  1942. But before too long, she was restored to her husband's side,

  1943. making the trip to England with an advanced contingent to the family.

  1944. Surveying the scene, she decided to return for the rest of the family,

  1945. leaving Agnes Capito, that is, daughter by her third husband,

  1946. to look after her fourth husband.

  1947. She got back to Strasbourg to find that the Catholic authorities

  1948. were trying to confiscate their property.

  1949. Vibrondus was summoned to appear in court.

  1950. We have a hint as to her plucky nature from this incident.

  1951. It seems one of the local friends, Sol,

  1952. was concerned that Vibrondus would give the magistrates a piece of her mind

  1953. over their injustice.

  1954. She wrote to Busser,

  1955. Sol confided in me his fear that if I appeared in court,

  1956. I would say something hot,

  1957. and indeed I might certainly have done so.

  1958. Instead of appearing in court,

  1959. she had the fine idea of a relaxing visit in a spa.

  1960. They did have spas back in those days.

  1961. It seems hot spring spas were a favorite retreat

  1962. for the fast-paced Busser household,

  1963. for Martin fantasized over his German thermal baths more than once

  1964. during the cold, wet winters in Cambridge.

  1965. While refreshed from her spa tune-up,

  1966. Vibrondus packed up the rest of the family,

  1967. grandma and all,

  1968. and made the journey back to England.

  1969. But scarcely had she finally arrived

  1970. when Busser fell ill.

  1971. Vibrondus, in caring for her husband,

  1972. grew so exhausted herself,

  1973. she remembered that teasing about

  1974. an admiring Duchess of Suffolk

  1975. and actually asked her

  1976. if she would be willing to help relieve her

  1977. of her incessant nursing

  1978. through the final stages of Busser's illness.

  1979. The Duchess cordially obliged

  1980. and by taking part of the load

  1981. probably saved Vibrondus a breakdown.

  1982. With her husband gone,

  1983. there was no reason for her to remain a foreigner in England,

  1984. so she worked on getting the whole family back to Strasbourg.

  1985. But alas, money was lacking,

  1986. and she had to appeal to Cranmer,

  1987. Thomas Cranmer,

  1988. the Archbishop of Canterbury's kindness,

  1989. to help them get home.

  1990. This he gladly did.

  1991. She did leave the Archbishop Busser's books.

  1992. What was left of them,

  1993. Cranmer complains in a letter

  1994. that I think the Duchess got them all.

  1995. So she did get something.

  1996. Vibrondus managed to get the family home,

  1997. grandma and all,

  1998. but most were now gone

  1999. that she had once known and loved.

  2000. So she moved on to the city of her birth,

  2001. Basel.

  2002. One wonders if a prospective fifth husband

  2003. was waiting in the wings.

  2004. In any case,

  2005. her matrimonial migrations

  2006. had finally come to an end.

  2007. In 1564,

  2008. a terrible plague carried off

  2009. 7,000 in the city,

  2010. and Vibrondus was among them.

  2011. She was laid to rest beside her second husband,

  2012. Ucullampadius,

  2013. remember the long-nosed guy,

  2014. in the cloister walk of the cathedral.

  2015. And now,

  2016. I suppose the pressing question

  2017. is that of the Sadducees.

  2018. Whose wife shall she be in the judgment?

  2019. She was cast by the hand of providence

  2020. into demanding callings.

  2021. She answered that call

  2022. with a life of courage,

  2023. character, and commitment.

  2024. Firmly established upon the Rock of Ages,

  2025. she was able to stand in the midst

  2026. of tumults,

  2027. life,

  2028. and weather

  2029. the fierce storms of that age.

  2030. And upon that great rock,

  2031. she was able herself

  2032. to be a little rock

  2033. for the many God had given her

  2034. to love

  2035. and care for.

  2036. Neither could they have been

  2037. what they were without her.

  2038. And if history stints her praise,

  2039. its author,

  2040. the author of history,

  2041. who sees all

  2042. and knows all,

  2043. shall not.

  2044. Its

  2045. history

  2046. sees her

  2047. behind her husbands,

  2048. God sees her

  2049. beside them.

  2050. Okay.

  2051. Thank you.

  2052. I don't know how much time

  2053. we have, Tom.

  2054. I will remain

  2055. to answer any questions

  2056. that people have,

  2057. but we might need

  2058. to dismiss soon.

  2059. Yeah, I think the folks

  2060. want to go there again.

  2061. Yep.

  2062. I think the service

  2063. is still going,

  2064. so,

  2065. I believe,

  2066. so,

  2067. it's probably going

  2068. to be too long.

  2069. You are dismissed,

  2070. but I will remain

  2071. if anyone has any questions

  2072. or comments

  2073. or anything.

  2074. Yes!

  2075. I have a question.

  2076. Thank you.

  2077. It was great.

  2078. If you could go back

  2079. and capture it

  2080. for a moment.

  2081. I just got some notes.

  2082. Yes.

  2083. So,

  2084. she was a remarkable person.

  2085. A capable administrator,

  2086. an earnest peacemaker,

  2087. quietly courageous.

  2088. But I think

  2089. a really outstanding

  2090. that came across

  2091. was just her

  2092. generous

  2093. and welcoming hospitality.

  2094. Yes.

  2095. And I was wondering

  2096. if you would comment

  2097. on what you think

  2098. the role of hospitality

  2099. is in the church today.

  2100. Yes.

  2101. Oh,

  2102. that's a great question.

  2103. You know,

  2104. if you think about it,

  2105. hospitality

  2106. is a wonderful expression

  2107. of the gospel.

  2108. If we think about

  2109. what,

  2110. hospitality

  2111. is taking

  2112. the riches

  2113. that we have

  2114. and enjoy,

  2115. the joys

  2116. and the delights

  2117. that we have

  2118. in our family

  2119. and extending

  2120. and extending

  2121. those to others.

  2122. And is that not

  2123. what our salvation is?

  2124. There's the wonderful

  2125. mutual joy,

  2126. delights within the Trinity,

  2127. that rich dance

  2128. of love

  2129. and all this blessing.

  2130. And from that richness,

  2131. there is an extension

  2132. of that

  2133. and a welcoming in

  2134. of others

  2135. to enjoy that.

  2136. At great cost,

  2137. often hospitality,

  2138. costs us a lot

  2139. to extend

  2140. that gift

  2141. of welcome

  2142. and coming in

  2143. and to enjoy.

  2144. And again,

  2145. God,

  2146. at great cost

  2147. to himself,

  2148. extends

  2149. the richness

  2150. of the savor

  2151. that he enjoys

  2152. to us,

  2153. unworthy,

  2154. without respect

  2155. to our worthiness

  2156. of it.

  2157. And yes,

  2158. that's a,

  2159. yeah,

  2160. so it's a wonderful

  2161. and critical

  2162. picture

  2163. or expression

  2164. of the gospel.

  2165. So this should be

  2166. absolutely central.

  2167. And if you look

  2168. in the New Testament,

  2169. it is not distinct

  2170. from the Old Testament,

  2171. but reinforced

  2172. in the New Testament

  2173. how central this is.

  2174. For example,

  2175. an elder

  2176. needed to be given

  2177. to hospitality.

  2178. This is something

  2179. indispensable.

  2180. So whether or not

  2181. we think that we have

  2182. gifts in it,

  2183. it's commanded to do

  2184. because it is so central

  2185. to the gospel.

  2186. So,

  2187. and the joys in it

  2188. are wonderful,

  2189. aren't there?

  2190. It's,

  2191. we never quite know

  2192. how we're going

  2193. to be blessed

  2194. and entertaining.

  2195. Is it what,

  2196. Hebrews 13,

  2197. I think one,

  2198. maybe,

  2199. where I'm talking about,

  2200. hey,

  2201. keep offering hospitality

  2202. joyfully.

  2203. Who knows?

  2204. You may end up

  2205. entertaining angels

  2206. unaware.

  2207. There's always

  2208. a wonderful blessing

  2209. that comes to us too.

  2210. So,

  2211. yes.

  2212. Yes,

  2213. Tom.

  2214. So,

  2215. it's just

  2216. the grief

  2217. that some of these folks

  2218. went through

  2219. and it's stunning

  2220. and heartbreaking.

  2221. I was wondering

  2222. if you had any

  2223. impressions

  2224. on how they

  2225. handled that grief

  2226. and if,

  2227. you know,

  2228. there's cases

  2229. of them

  2230. where it just

  2231. wandered in

  2232. for decades.

  2233. Yeah.

  2234. Because sometimes,

  2235. you know,

  2236. it sounds like

  2237. when you hear the stories

  2238. that kind of got over it,

  2239. so to speak,

  2240. like a little crass,

  2241. and they're like,

  2242. I'm just wondering

  2243. what you're expecting

  2244. to do with that.

  2245. Yeah,

  2246. yeah.

  2247. It was,

  2248. I mean,

  2249. you just think of it,

  2250. it's just a wave

  2251. of all these woes.

  2252. You know,

  2253. how,

  2254. just unimaginable,

  2255. to bury your children.

  2256. It's got to be

  2257. one of the hardest,

  2258. hardest things.

  2259. things.

  2260. And some of it,

  2261. I think,

  2262. is they had

  2263. a profounder sense

  2264. than we often do,

  2265. certainly than I have,

  2266. as to what we expect

  2267. in life.

  2268. And they took

  2269. very seriously

  2270. the fact that

  2271. we are in

  2272. a fallen world.

  2273. And woes

  2274. will be the lot

  2275. of the children

  2276. of God.

  2277. Not distinct

  2278. from those

  2279. who are not believers.

  2280. believers.

  2281. Indeed,

  2282. it was their

  2283. expectation

  2284. that being believers,

  2285. our woes

  2286. will be greater

  2287. because we will not

  2288. be trying to avoid

  2289. them at all times.

  2290. We will wade in.

  2291. We are salt and light.

  2292. We need to bear

  2293. the burdens

  2294. of one another.

  2295. We go in

  2296. and try to carry them.

  2297. And so,

  2298. particularly for Christians

  2299. in this world,

  2300. you shall have

  2301. much tribulation.

  2302. And they,

  2303. they actually expected

  2304. that and counted

  2305. on that.

  2306. So,

  2307. it was actually true,

  2308. remember in Peter,

  2309. beloved,

  2310. don't be surprised

  2311. at the fiery ordeal

  2312. among you

  2313. that comes upon you

  2314. for your testing

  2315. as though some strange

  2316. thing were happening

  2317. to you.

  2318. So,

  2319. so that was when

  2320. they seemed

  2321. to,

  2322. to,

  2323. to,

  2324. to have a better

  2325. sense that

  2326. this is our

  2327. lot.

  2328. Uh,

  2329. uh,

  2330. then,

  2331. uh,

  2332. there is,

  2333. uh,

  2334. a,

  2335. a literature

  2336. that,

  2337. that,

  2338. that ends up

  2339. developing

  2340. during the Reformation.

  2341. There's a scholar

  2342. named Ron Ritkers

  2343. who's written a lot

  2344. on this

  2345. that just looks

  2346. at some of the,

  2347. the consolation

  2348. literature

  2349. and,

  2350. uh,

  2351. much of what

  2352. there is.

  2353. And,

  2354. and Catherine's

  2355. was a wonderful

  2356. example of it

  2357. where,

  2358. what do we do?

  2359. Well,

  2360. let's take

  2361. these wonderful

  2362. biblical truths

  2363. and let's make sure

  2364. that we are

  2365. building our house

  2366. on the rock

  2367. of these promises

  2368. of God.

  2369. And that is a

  2370. stability

  2371. in which we can stand.

  2372. And you remember

  2373. in Matthew 7,

  2374. 23,

  2375. 24,

  2376. uh,

  2377. uh,

  2378. that,

  2379. uh,

  2380. that the wise

  2381. one hears

  2382. these words of

  2383. mine and he

  2384. puts them into

  2385. practice.

  2386. They shall be

  2387. like one who

  2388. builds their house

  2389. on a rock

  2390. that when,

  2391. not if,

  2392. when the winds

  2393. and the rains

  2394. and the storms

  2395. batter against

  2396. the house

  2397. will stand

  2398. because it's

  2399. established on

  2400. the rock.

  2401. So there was

  2402. a sense that

  2403. we need,

  2404. uh,

  2405. to really be

  2406. building.

  2407. And a lot

  2408. of times

  2409. in,

  2410. uh,

  2411. they,

  2412. you,

  2413. they,

  2414. they did a

  2415. good job.

  2416. It seems Tom

  2417. always seeking

  2418. to,

  2419. to take in

  2420. the comfort

  2421. of those promises

  2422. and building

  2423. even in the

  2424. times that

  2425. weren't so

  2426. difficult,

  2427. knowing that

  2428. they will

  2429. surely come.

  2430. Uh,

  2431. so almost

  2432. like Joseph,

  2433. uh,

  2434. look,

  2435. what,

  2436. let's,

  2437. let's harvest

  2438. some of the

  2439. fat years

  2440. for lean

  2441. years will

  2442. be coming

  2443. and that

  2444. sort of

  2445. practice.

  2446. So if we

  2447. wait to try

  2448. to reach out

  2449. and grab

  2450. the consolation

  2451. of the word

  2452. when we are

  2453. in our

  2454. distress,

  2455. that often

  2456. seems too

  2457. late.

  2458. We really

  2459. need to be

  2460. building that

  2461. fortification

  2462. for when

  2463. those times

  2464. will come.

  2465. And they

  2466. seem to have

  2467. been good

  2468. at,

  2469. at that.

  2470. Uh,

  2471. they also

  2472. seem to be

  2473. really willing

  2474. to share.

  2475. Did you

  2476. notice how

  2477. they,

  2478. they weren't

  2479. isolated.

  2480. They weren't

  2481. even isolated

  2482. in their

  2483. marriage.

  2484. You know,

  2485. oh my

  2486. goodness,

  2487. your husband

  2488. died.

  2489. Well,

  2490. I,

  2491. here,

  2492. I have a

  2493. husband.

  2494. I'm about

  2495. to die.

  2496. Here,

  2497. you have

  2498. him.

  2499. I mean,

  2500. they really

  2501. are,

  2502. they,

  2503. they're in

  2504. a common,

  2505. common lot

  2506. and they

  2507. really are

  2508. seeking to

  2509. lean in to

  2510. bear one

  2511. another's

  2512. burdens.

  2513. And I

  2514. think that

  2515. this is,

  2516. this is really

  2517. critical and

  2518. we ought not

  2519. to think that

  2520. the measure of

  2521. our strength

  2522. is our

  2523. ability to

  2524. take all

  2525. of these

  2526. things alone

  2527. in an

  2528. isolated way.

  2529. But,

  2530. but to,

  2531. to share

  2532. and bear

  2533. one another's

  2534. burdens and

  2535. to be involved

  2536. in each

  2537. other's lives.

  2538. So,

  2539. and they

  2540. seem to

  2541. have done

  2542. that well

  2543. as even

  2544. evidenced by

  2545. some of

  2546. these stories.

  2547. Yeah.

  2548. Yeah.

  2549. Your comment

  2550. about Martin

  2551. Luther not

  2552. shaking the

  2553. hand of

  2554. the,

  2555. Zingley,

  2556. yep.

  2557. Zingley over

  2558. the Lord's

  2559. Supper.

  2560. Yep.

  2561. I think

  2562. about

  2563. Edwards'

  2564. community

  2565. controversy

  2566. where

  2567. sometimes

  2568. secondary

  2569. matters

  2570. become

  2571. primary

  2572. court.

  2573. Yep.

  2574. Or Edwards,

  2575. Bar,

  2576. unbelievers,

  2577. the Lord's

  2578. table.

  2579. Yep.

  2580. What would

  2581. you say

  2582. would be

  2583. an appropriate

  2584. circumstance

  2585. where a

  2586. secondary

  2587. matter

  2588. should take

  2589. primary

  2590. court?

  2591. So,

  2592. I think

  2593. you want

  2594. to tell

  2595. us,

  2596. you want

  2597. to affirm

  2598. our

  2599. privateary

  2600. brother and

  2601. sister,

  2602. the Lord

  2603. Christ,

  2604. the Lord

  2605. Bible.

  2606. when should

  2607. those

  2608. secondary

  2609. matters

  2610. become

  2611. primary

  2612. courts?

  2613. Yeah,

  2614. yeah.

  2615. Great,

  2616. great question.

  2617. Challenging

  2618. one.

  2619. I think

  2620. one,

  2621. I think I'd

  2622. want to say

  2623. it first,

  2624. I think we

  2625. should always

  2626. keep a

  2627. distinction

  2628. between

  2629. primary and

  2630. secondary

  2631. matters.

  2632. secondary

  2633. matters.

  2634. So,

  2635. when you

  2636. say sometimes

  2637. a secondary

  2638. matter might

  2639. function as

  2640. a primary

  2641. matter,

  2642. I don't

  2643. know that

  2644. that would

  2645. be the

  2646. best way

  2647. to put

  2648. it,

  2649. because that

  2650. could then

  2651. blur that

  2652. there is a

  2653. distinction

  2654. between

  2655. primary and

  2656. secondary

  2657. matters.

  2658. So,

  2659. maybe what

  2660. you're asking

  2661. is,

  2662. when do

  2663. secondary

  2664. matters

  2665. actually come

  2666. to be of

  2667. some

  2668. importance

  2669. that we

  2670. would want

  2671. to give

  2672. them expression

  2673. and not

  2674. just say,

  2675. oh,

  2676. well,

  2677. they don't

  2678. matter because

  2679. they're

  2680. secondary.

  2681. secondary.

  2682. And I

  2683. think in

  2684. those,

  2685. there are

  2686. times we

  2687. think,

  2688. well,

  2689. actually,

  2690. this is

  2691. where we

  2692. want to

  2693. give expression

  2694. to the

  2695. faithfulness

  2696. of God.

  2697. So,

  2698. for example,

  2699. in this

  2700. church,

  2701. we think

  2702. that a

  2703. faithful

  2704. expression

  2705. to the

  2706. truth of

  2707. God

  2708. is in

  2709. baptism,

  2710. in

  2711. believer's

  2712. baptism,

  2713. where

  2714. faith and

  2715. baptism are

  2716. united and

  2717. not separated,

  2718. because it

  2719. seems like the

  2720. scripture links

  2721. those things.

  2722. Whereas infant

  2723. baptism pulls

  2724. them apart.

  2725. So,

  2726. we think,

  2727. hey,

  2728. that's an

  2729. important expression.

  2730. We recognize

  2731. that it's not

  2732. primary.

  2733. We welcome

  2734. people into

  2735. fellowship,

  2736. but we

  2737. practice that

  2738. truth here in

  2739. this congregation,

  2740. following our

  2741. conscience and

  2742. in good conscience

  2743. and happy to

  2744. do so.

  2745. So,

  2746. we do give

  2747. it importance,

  2748. but we

  2749. recognize that

  2750. that doesn't

  2751. mean that a

  2752. person cannot

  2753. fellowship with

  2754. us and we

  2755. receive them as

  2756. sisters and

  2757. brothers.

  2758. we just

  2759. follow our

  2760. conscience in

  2761. this matter,

  2762. hopefully always

  2763. with charity.

  2764. So,

  2765. and there'd

  2766. be all kinds

  2767. of other

  2768. illustrations or

  2769. examples,

  2770. but we can

  2771. talk a little

  2772. bit more

  2773. later about

  2774. particulars.

  2775. But,

  2776. yeah,

  2777. yeah.

  2778. Sure.

  2779. Thank you so

  2780. much for

  2781. sharing the

  2782. stories of

  2783. these really

  2784. remarkable

  2785. things.

  2786. It seems

  2787. quite a

  2788. monumental

  2789. task to

  2790. be looking

  2791. after so

  2792. many,

  2793. this many

  2794. children,

  2795. visiting the

  2796. leprosy

  2797. ridden and

  2798. incarcerated and

  2799. providing comments

  2800. on, like,

  2801. hospital care.

  2802. you mentioned

  2803. that they had a

  2804. network of

  2805. support amongst

  2806. themselves.

  2807. Was there a

  2808. sense that their

  2809. husbands lifted a

  2810. finger to help

  2811. them in these

  2812. tasks, like

  2813. visiting the

  2814. sick, visiting

  2815. the imprisoned?

  2816. Yes, they

  2817. definitely did,

  2818. and that was

  2819. considered part of

  2820. pastoral care.

  2821. And even

  2822. domestic duties,

  2823. we might imagine

  2824. that this is

  2825. kind of

  2826. traditional,

  2827. but in one

  2828. sense,

  2829. there were,

  2830. the scriptures

  2831. were kind of

  2832. coming into

  2833. fresh prominence,

  2834. and these

  2835. reformers were

  2836. really trying to

  2837. engage with the

  2838. scriptures to

  2839. figure out,

  2840. well, what does

  2841. this look like?

  2842. And family

  2843. life for

  2844. ministers, for

  2845. pastors, this

  2846. was a new

  2847. thing.

  2848. Because otherwise,

  2849. you just had

  2850. clerical celibacy

  2851. before then in the

  2852. Roman Catholic

  2853. Church.

  2854. So they were

  2855. coming to

  2856. scripture to

  2857. feel like,

  2858. well, what does

  2859. this look like?

  2860. And many of

  2861. them concluded,

  2862. hey, we need to

  2863. love our wives,

  2864. is what it says,

  2865. we need to help

  2866. them in this

  2867. way.

  2868. So Martin

  2869. Luther,

  2870. changed

  2871. diapers.

  2872. Martin

  2873. Luther,

  2874. changed

  2875. diapers.

  2876. He didn't

  2877. say, hey,

  2878. that's

  2879. Catherine's

  2880. thing.

  2881. Many of

  2882. these men

  2883. were extremely

  2884. helpful, and

  2885. they kind of

  2886. saw it in

  2887. terms of, okay,

  2888. how do we

  2889. survive?

  2890. How can we

  2891. each bring our

  2892. best to bear to

  2893. the extent that

  2894. we can do

  2895. this?

  2896. things?

  2897. And there

  2898. wasn't always

  2899. and even

  2900. typically clear

  2901. roles established.

  2902. That tends to

  2903. come a lot

  2904. later.

  2905. When you've

  2906. got frontier

  2907. time, when

  2908. you're figuring

  2909. out what does

  2910. it look like

  2911. to have a new

  2912. family as a

  2913. pastor, it's

  2914. improvisational.

  2915. And a lot of

  2916. times it's so

  2917. challenging, you're

  2918. just thinking,

  2919. what do we do

  2920. to survive?

  2921. We're making

  2922. this up as we

  2923. go along.

  2924. So you don't

  2925. see as many of

  2926. the traditional

  2927. roles in this

  2928. first generation.

  2929. You almost need

  2930. to wait for

  2931. custom to

  2932. kind of begin

  2933. to take shape.

  2934. So they're

  2935. pretty creative,

  2936. frankly.

  2937. Yeah, that's

  2938. certainly true.

  2939. And, you

  2940. know, I

  2941. just see

  2942. a

  2943. willingness

  2944. on both

  2945. part to

  2946. do what

  2947. needed to

  2948. be done.

  2949. To

  2950. take care of

  2951. our families

  2952. well and to

  2953. take care of

  2954. other people's

  2955. families well and

  2956. to take care of

  2957. the poor.

  2958. And we just do

  2959. what we can do

  2960. according to our

  2961. gifts, according

  2962. to some callings,

  2963. and as the

  2964. Lord provides

  2965. strength.

  2966. And it

  2967. looks really

  2968. different from

  2969. different people

  2970. not a lot of

  2971. clear, you

  2972. know, in this

  2973. first generation,

  2974. not a lot of

  2975. clear patterns yet

  2976. because they're

  2977. making stuff up

  2978. as they go along.

  2979. It's kind of new.

  2980. It's a new time.

  2981. Yeah.

  2982. Yeah.

  2983. I think we

  2984. probably better

  2985. conclude.

  2986. Well, thank you,

  2987. team.

  2988. And if you're

  2989. able to make it,

  2990. we'll see you

  2991. next week,

  2992. Lord willing.

  2993. Yeah.

  2994. Yeah.

  2995. Yeah.

  2996. Yeah.

  2997. Yeah.

  2998. Yeah.

  2999. Yeah.

  3000. Yeah.

  3001. Yeah.

  3002. Yeah.

  3003. Yeah.

  3004. Yeah.

  3005. Yeah.

  3006. Yeah.

  3007. Yeah.

  3008. Yeah.

  3009. Yeah.

  3010. Yeah.

  3011. Yeah.

  3012. Yeah.

  3013. Yeah.

  3014. Yeah.

  3015. Yeah.