Sermon
Women We Should Know & Honor: Katharina Zell
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Well, we are continuing on in our series of remarkable women you should know and love.
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So, and this morning, we're going to hit a different period, a little bit earlier from last time.
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So, she described herself as a splinter from the rib of that blessed man, Matthew Sell.
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There is Matthew Sell.
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This is the one-time pastor of the cathedral in Strasbourg.
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He referred to her as mein Hilfe, or my helper, or from the old king, my strong warrior.
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The first help that she gave him was when he was under excommunication by the bishop for having married her.
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Opponents of the Reformation, seeking to discredit Sell,
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they had circulated the tale that she had caught her husband cavorting with the maid,
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and that when she confronted him, he beat her black and blue.
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These were hardy days of lampoon.
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To lay to rest this dastardly effort to wreck her husband's reputation,
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Catherine published a refutation.
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First off, let me clarify, I have never, ever had a maid, she writes.
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And as for thrashing me, my husband and I have never had an unpleasant 15 minutes.
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We could have no greater honor than to die rejected of men from two crosses
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to speak to each other words of comfort.
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Well, in addition to flouting the fable of her husband's infidelity,
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Catherine continued with a very spirited defense of clerical marriage,
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that it is actually legitimate for pastors to marry,
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because in the Roman Catholic tradition, this was forbidden.
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And it was a timely task for that year, 1523,
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seven priests in Strasbourg, including her husband,
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were excommunicated for having married.
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So at this time, Reformation teaching was getting out,
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and among the tenants was, well, you know, there's no real biblical basis
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for pastors not being able to marry.
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So it's our freedom, so let's go ahead and do this.
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The tradition was otherwise.
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No, no, no, no, you can't marry.
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But a priest taking a mistress was winked at,
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indeed provided a good source of income for the bishop,
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who would levy a fine for the favor.
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But as to marriage, that's impermissible.
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So you kind of see the way the arrangement was.
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Okay, you can't be expected to kind of go without,
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so we'll just charge you as a priest.
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Can't marry, but you can pay a fine
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for your indiscretions on the side here.
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And you can make a lot of money that way, as you would think.
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Well, the man who had taken the lead in this matter
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was Martin Busser,
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who married the erstwhile nun,
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Elizabeth Silberstein,
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cast out on every quarter
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for this daring and denounced deed,
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it was Matthew Tsel who took them in.
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Busser, Martin Busser, was bullish on marriage
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and tried to convince all of his reformer friends
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to follow his lead,
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including his host, Matthew Tsel.
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Accordingly, he directed letters
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to eligible lady candidates,
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trying to see who might step up
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and marry these pastors.
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To the noble and honorable Christian lady,
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Ottilie von Hohenheim of Basel.
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He begins by reassuring her
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that the men he has on offer
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are not looking for a wife
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simply to gratify their passions.
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No, they are all capable of continence,
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but rather are acting to render
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the marriage of ministers reputable.
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He then flatters Ottilie by informing her
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that of all the women he has taken
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into review for the task,
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none has outscored her for suitability.
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He writes,
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your deportment hitherto has been exemplary.
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Then came the final stirring appeal.
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Will you crown your witness
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by assuming a reviled and crucified marriage?
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I beseech you in the name of Christ,
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crucified and accursed.
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But alas, Ottilie did not feel
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that this was her cross to bear,
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so Busser had to look further.
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It would be,
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if you did marry a priest at the time,
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you would probably be shunned in society
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because this was such a rare thing to do
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at that time.
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But before long,
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Matthäus Tsel, Matthew Tsel,
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was standing at the altar,
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yet alas, only officiating
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for his minister friend Anton Fion.
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Now a priest marrying was still
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the cutting edge of novelty in Strasbourg.
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So Tsel had to be very careful
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at one point in the service.
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You've probably guessed what it is.
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If any know any just cause
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why these two may not lawfully be joined together,
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let him speak now or forever hold his peace.
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So,
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hitherto it has been the custom,
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said Tsel,
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for the minister to ask this question.
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This is a wholesome practice,
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but there are those who come forward
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with very unjust causes,
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claiming that priests should not marry.
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Tsel commended the couple's step,
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predicting that more and more brothers,
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God willing,
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will follow your example.
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Well, as it turned out,
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the next brother to follow Fiern's example
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was Matthäus Tsel himself,
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taking up his own exhortation
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and taking the hand of Katharina Schutz.
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Martin Busser,
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with no small relish,
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brought the number of married ministers
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up to four by solemnizing the union.
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And Martin Luther sent out to the bride
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a letter of congratulation.
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Catherine was 25,
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and Matthew, Matthäus Tsel,
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was 20 years older than that.
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There he is,
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about that age.
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Well,
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Luther's letter of connubial congrats
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was not the first
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that he had written to Catherine.
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Like Luther,
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Catherine had suffered
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dire anguish of spirit,
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struggling after an ever-elusive forgiveness
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and a sense of acceptance before God.
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And it was a gospel track
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of Martin Luther's
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which had delivered her
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from her slough of despond.
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And again,
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like Luther,
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Katharina constantly battled
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with a proclivity
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to depression of spirit
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and was rocked
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by recurrent wrestlings
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with doubt.
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Doubt of God's love
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and his forgiveness of her.
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She was prone
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to think that her childlessness,
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the cells lost
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two infants,
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as a mark of defined
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displeasure over her sins.
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Many notions
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that had just been
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so customary
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and superstitious
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just continued on,
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had a long afterlife,
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even after you have
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good biblical teaching.
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It takes us a while
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to shake off
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a lot of our superstitions.
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But
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all of these struggles
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of spirit
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certainly did not
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render her inactive.
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Indeed,
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one wonders
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when she would have had
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any time
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for doler
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or doldrums
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as her days
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and nights
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seemed not merely laced
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but larded
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with acts
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of mercy
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and kindness.
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It's often a good way
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to get over
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your depression
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or your sense
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of discouragement
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is this thing.
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Well, let me help
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some people
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whose lot might be
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even a little worse
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than mine
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and then you forget
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you could forget
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some of your own
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difficulties.
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Well,
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she definitely had
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the gifts of helps
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and hospitality.
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The edict
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of Worms
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against Luther
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and his followers.
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Remember,
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that's where Luther
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made that celebrated
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statement.
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Here I stand.
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I can do no other.
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I need to go
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by my conscience
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well.
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And then
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the emperor,
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Charles V,
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declared Luther
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and all his followers
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illegal,
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religiously illegal
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so that any
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of their followers
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he could be killed
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as a just act
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of legality
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at that time.
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That's why
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he had to go
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into hiding
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and it ran
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into difficulty
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for any sort
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of Lutheran
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followers.
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So,
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that edict
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of Worms
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against Luther
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and his followers
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sent many a pastor
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into hiding
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or exile.
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A hundred
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and fifty
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of the men
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of the town
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of Kensington
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accompanied
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their pastor
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for several miles
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to see him
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off into some
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sort of hiding
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place,
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trying to protect
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him against
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the Austrian
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troops that were
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coming in
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to just kill
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these pastors.
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So,
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they're accompanying
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him for several
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miles to see
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him off,
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only to discover
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when they tried
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to come back
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into their
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town that the
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Austrian soldiers
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had closed the
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gates against
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them.
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One of their
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number was caught
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and executed
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there and then,
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prompting the
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others to flee
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for their lives,
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leaving their
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wives in the
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town.
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They fled to
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Strasbourg,
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Strasbourg,
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and there,
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Catherine put
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up eighty
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of them herself
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in her own
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home,
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feeding sixty
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men for
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three weeks.
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Quite a
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remarkable
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achievement.
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A veritable
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hotel manager
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and short
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order chef
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all rolled
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into one.
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And in the
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midst of all
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this,
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including finding
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and organizing
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provision for
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the others
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elsewhere in
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the city
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of Strasbourg,
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she managed
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to write
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a letter
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to the
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wives left
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back in
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Kensington,
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which proved
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so mightily
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consoling that
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it was
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published.
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Here it is,
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the suffering
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of believing
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Christian wives
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from the town
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of Kensington
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with
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sisterly,
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with your
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sister in
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Christ,
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always at
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your service,
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Catherine
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Schutz,
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that was
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her maiden
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name.
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She writes,
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to my
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fellow sisters
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in Christ,
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day and
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night I
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pray God
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that he
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may increase
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your faith
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and that you
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forget not
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his invincible
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word,
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my thoughts
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are not your
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thoughts,
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saith the
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Lord.
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The Lord
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would wean
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you from
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this world
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that you
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may rely
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solely upon
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him.
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Faith is
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not a
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faith which
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is not
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tried.
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And on
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it goes
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from
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scripture
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to
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scripture
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fostering
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faith and
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hope in
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their sore
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trials.
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Wonderful,
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wonderful
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piece.
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I'm not
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aware that
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it's in
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English,
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but it's
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a wonderful
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piece published
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there.
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another
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challenge to
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Catherine's
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skills of
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hospitality,
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mercy,
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and
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administration
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came when
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the
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peasants'
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war of
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1525
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broke out.
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There was
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a kind of
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a peasants'
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rebellion and
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they were
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largely
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slaughtered.
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And
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thousands
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upon
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thousands
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were
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massacred
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in a
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gruesome
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bloodbath.
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And the
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widowed and
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the wounded,
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the mangled
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and the
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maimed who
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survived of
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the peasantry
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flocked to
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Strasbourg.
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Strasbourg was
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a city in
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Europe that
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had a
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reputation of
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being very
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welcoming of
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the afflicted,
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that wonderful
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Christian
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reputation.
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So they're
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flocking to
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Strasbourg to
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the tune of
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3,000 refugees
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coming in,
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all desperate
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for care.
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That would
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have been,
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just to give
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you a sense
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of the
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numbers,
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that would
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have been
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a ratio
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of one
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refugee for
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every eight
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inhabitants of
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the city of
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Strasbourg.
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So it's a
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pretty remarkable
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challenge.
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So Catherine
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Zell was
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one of the
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two given
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charge of
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this challenge.
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So she
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had to
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organize the
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lodging,
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requisitioning a
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large Franciscan
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church for
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starters,
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and then
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spreading the
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rest throughout
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the city in
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private quarters,
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and then
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food.
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She had to
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feed them
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all.
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So just
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call her
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Catherine the
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Catering Queen.
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And this
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crisis lasted
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for a half
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a year
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before the
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war subsided
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and the
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refugees were
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able to
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return to
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their farms.
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So I
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speculate that
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it was during
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this period
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that Catherine
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acquired a
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certain
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executive
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tone.
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She is
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a trifle
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imperious,
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Busser once
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remarked of
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Catherine.
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Well,
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compared to
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these feats,
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it must have
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been child's
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play to
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host Zwingli
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of Zurich and
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Uckelampadius of
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Basel on their
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way to meet
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Luther and
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Melanchthon for
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their colloquy
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of Marburg.
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For 14
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days, I was
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their cook and
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maid, writes
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Catherine.
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No doubt she
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was hoping for
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reproachment
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between the
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Reformation
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leaders and
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when news
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came back to
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Strasbourg that
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Luther had
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declined to
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unite.
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You remember
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at the
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colloquy of
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Marburg,
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Zwingli and
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Luther produced
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an agreement
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on 28 of
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29 tenants of
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their faith and
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the one thing
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that they didn't
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agree on was
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their understanding
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of the Lord's
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Supper.
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Zwingli took a
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symbolic view
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and Luther
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took a
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realist view.
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So when
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Zwingli offered
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Luther his
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hand at the
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end of
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Christian
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companionship,
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Luther wouldn't
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take it.
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So Catherine
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darted off a
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chiding letter
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to the great
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theologian,
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pleading that
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love ought to
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be above all
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else.
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She got a
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swift response.
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Yes, wrote
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Luther, except
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where God's
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word is at
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stake.
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Catherine and
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her husband
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were not
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always the
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hosts, for
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they also
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traveled a
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good bit
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together.
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They did
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so together
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to Switzerland,
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Constance,
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Swabia,
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Nuremberg,
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the Palatinate,
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and even
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once the
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600-mile
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journey to
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Wittenberg to
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visit Luther and
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Melanchthon.
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Now the
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cells, Matthew
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and Catherine,
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were wider in
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their friendship
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and fellowship
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than Luther.
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Theirs was a
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refreshing breeze
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in an age of
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pretty stormy
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animosities.
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Anyone who
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acknowledges
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Christ as the
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true son of
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God and the
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sole savior of
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mankind is
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welcome at our
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table, said
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her husband,
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Matthew.
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And it is
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clear that
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Catherine had
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an equally
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hospitable
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soul.
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Even when she
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didn't see eye
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to eye
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theologically with
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another, this
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was to her
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no disqualifier
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for showing
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them charity
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and kindness.
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This is
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Melchior
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Hoffman
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there, who
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is kind of a
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fringe figure,
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and indeed
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neither this
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radical fringe
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figure of
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Melchior
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Hoffman.
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When he was
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imprisoned in
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Strasbourg, it
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was Catherine
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who visited
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him and
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showed him
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kindness,
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never neglecting
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neighborliness
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despite doctrinal
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disagreements.
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Melchior
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Hoffman had
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come to
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Strasbourg
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because of a
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prophecy that
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he would be
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imprisoned there
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for six months
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and then at
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the coming of
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the Lord would
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lead the
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144,000 saints
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in a slaughter
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of the ungodly.
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So a fringe
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figure.
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Only the first
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part of that
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prophecy came
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true.
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He was indeed
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imprisoned in
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Strasbourg and
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that was only
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partially fulfilled
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for he languished
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in prison there
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not for six
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months but for
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ten years
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until his
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death.
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But we
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find
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recurring
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again and
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again in
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the council
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records this
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entry in
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their book.
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Mrs.
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Zell granted
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permission to
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visit a poor
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prisoner under
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sentence of
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death.
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No one
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else visited
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him.
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In 1548
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her faithful
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friend and
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companion of
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25 years,
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her husband,
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whom she had
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helped so
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well, bid
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her a final
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farewell.
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After
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Gusser
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delivered the
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eulogy,
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Catherine
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delivered an
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address.
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Women
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in that
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day and
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the incident
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incited the
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allegation that
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she aspired to
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a preaching
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post in the
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city.
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Dr.
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Katarina,
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some dubbed
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her disapprovingly.
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Well, she
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fired back,
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I am not
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usurping the
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office of a
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preacher or an
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apostle, she
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insisted.
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I am like
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the dear
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Mary Magdalene
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who has
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not thought
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of being an
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apostle,
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who without,
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sorry, who
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with no
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thought of
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being an
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apostle,
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came to
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tell the
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disciples that
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she had
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encountered
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the risen
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Lord.
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Catherine
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made it
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through the
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immediate
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aftermath of
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her husband's
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death, but
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shortly
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thereafter she
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collapsed.
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Her friends
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persuaded her to
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take a break,
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to get away from
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Strasbourg and
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for some rest
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and restoration
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and Basel was
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suggested.
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And Busser
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knew a
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pastor there,
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Oswald
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Myconius,
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and wrote to
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him to receive
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her.
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Here is,
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there's Oswald
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Myconius there.
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So Busser
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writes to
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him, his
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reforming
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pastor friend,
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the widow
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of our
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wonderful
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cell, a
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godly and
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saintly woman
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comes to
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you that
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perchance she
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may find some
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solace for her
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grief.
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She is human,
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I suppose with
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her achievements
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some doubted
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this.
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How does the
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heavenly father
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humble those
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endowed with
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the greatest of
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gifts?
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Her zeal is
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incredible for
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Christ's lowliest
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and afflicted.
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She knows
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and searches
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the mysteries
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of Christ.
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Comfort her
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patiently for
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the love of
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her husband,
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a sincere and
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faithful servant
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of Christ.
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From Basel,
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Katharina went
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to Zurich for
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a visit in the
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home of the
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eminent Hebraist
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Conrad Pelican.
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There is
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Conrad Pelican.
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Her thank you
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note after
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staying with
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Pelican,
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with the
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Pelicans,
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along with a
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very nice
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gift.
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I am sending
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your wife and
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your daughter-in-law
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each a pound of
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flax for spinning
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shawls.
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Reported
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the,
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her concern
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with the
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introduction of
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the interim
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compromise into
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Strasbourg.
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So as battle
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between the
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Protestants,
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literal,
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literal warfare
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between the
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Protestants and
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the Catholics
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kept unfolding
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across Europe.
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The upper hand
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went to the
-
Catholics at this
-
time and
-
they imposed
-
an interim
-
compromise
-
into Strasbourg.
-
We do not
-
know what
-
is in store
-
for us in
-
Strasbourg.
-
She was
-
relieved,
-
however,
-
that she was
-
not evicted
-
from her home,
-
but if it
-
would be so,
-
she had
-
another dwelling
-
place.
-
She writes,
-
I have been
-
allowed to
-
keep the
-
parsonage.
-
I take
-
anyone who
-
comes,
-
it is always
-
full.
-
I don't
-
know how
-
long I
-
can keep
-
it.
-
One thing
-
have I
-
desired of
-
the Lord,
-
that will
-
I seek
-
after,
-
that I
-
may dwell
-
in the
-
house of
-
the Lord,
-
to behold
-
my noble
-
husband and
-
all the
-
saints in
-
the vision
-
of God
-
and Christ.
-
Well,
-
this
-
Catholic
-
enforced
-
interim,
-
which
-
concerned
-
Catherine,
-
meant
-
exile for
-
two of
-
Strasbourg's
-
eminent
-
ministers,
-
Busser and
-
Faggius,
-
and actually
-
there were
-
three,
-
also Vermilli,
-
Peter Martyr
-
Vermilli.
-
They were
-
determined to
-
immigrate to
-
England,
-
but couldn't
-
quite pack up
-
all the kids
-
and the crates
-
in the time
-
that they were
-
allotted.
-
They had a
-
very specific
-
time allotted
-
that they were
-
allowed to get
-
out.
-
so they
-
overstayed
-
their immunity
-
to arrest
-
by a
-
hazardous
-
three weeks.
-
And remember,
-
once their
-
time was up,
-
anybody was
-
free to
-
take their
-
life.
-
So very,
-
very dangerous.
-
So during
-
this time of
-
three weeks,
-
Catherine
-
managed to
-
hide them
-
in different
-
places.
-
And she
-
certainly knew
-
all of the
-
places that
-
you could
-
stuff people
-
in Strasbourg
-
from the
-
refugee crisis,
-
her refugee
-
placement program.
-
Well,
-
when they
-
finally got
-
off safely,
-
they left
-
her two
-
gold pieces
-
out of
-
gratitude.
-
She wrote
-
back,
-
you put
-
me to
-
shame to
-
think that
-
you would
-
leave money
-
for me as
-
if I would
-
take a
-
heller from
-
you poor
-
pilgrims,
-
a penny.
-
My
-
reverend
-
ministers,
-
I wish
-
I could
-
have done
-
better for
-
you,
-
but my
-
Matthew
-
has taken
-
all of
-
my gaiety
-
with him.
-
I intended
-
to return
-
the two
-
gold pieces
-
with this
-
letter as
-
Joseph put
-
the money
-
in the
-
sack of
-
his brother,
-
but a
-
refugee
-
minister
-
has just
-
come in
-
with five
-
children and
-
the wife
-
of another
-
who saw
-
her husband
-
beheaded
-
before her
-
eyes.
-
I divided
-
the one
-
gold piece
-
between
-
them as
-
a present
-
from you,
-
the other
-
eye
-
enclose.
-
You will
-
doubtless
-
need it.
-
So Catherine
-
was now
-
60 years
-
old and
-
her health
-
began to
-
fail,
-
but her
-
indomitable
-
zeal did
-
not flag.
-
In 1558,
-
one of the
-
chief magistrates
-
of Strasbourg,
-
Felix Ambrosioter,
-
was stricken
-
with a
-
dreaded
-
leprosy
-
and
-
consequently
-
quarantined
-
in a little
-
hut beyond
-
the city
-
walls.
-
They would
-
separate you
-
way away
-
from any
-
society
-
at all.
-
Not even
-
his family
-
were given
-
leave to
-
attend to
-
him.
-
No one
-
dared to
-
relieve his
-
utter
-
isolation.
-
They were
-
so afraid
-
of
-
contagion
-
except
-
one,
-
Catherine.
-
She
-
visited him
-
frequently
-
and even
-
wrote for
-
his
-
consolation
-
a little
-
treatise.
-
Here's
-
how it
-
begins.
-
My dear
-
Lord Felix,
-
since we
-
have known
-
each other
-
for a
-
full 30
-
years,
-
I am
-
moved to
-
visit you
-
in your
-
long and
-
frightful
-
illness.
-
I have
-
not been
-
able to
-
come as
-
often as
-
I would
-
like because
-
of the
-
load here
-
for the
-
poor and
-
the sick,
-
but you
-
have ever
-
been in
-
my thoughts.
-
We have
-
often talked
-
of how you
-
have been
-
stricken,
-
cut off
-
from rank
-
office,
-
from your
-
wife and
-
friends,
-
from all
-
dealings with
-
the world
-
which recoils
-
from your
-
loathsome
-
disease and
-
leaves you
-
in utter
-
loneliness.
-
At first
-
you were
-
bitter and
-
utterly cast
-
down,
-
till God
-
gave you
-
strength and
-
patience,
-
and now you
-
are able to
-
thank him
-
that out of
-
love he has
-
taught you to
-
bear the
-
cross.
-
Because I
-
know that your
-
illness weighs
-
upon you
-
daily and
-
may easily
-
cause you
-
again to
-
fall into
-
despair and
-
rebelliousness,
-
I have
-
gathered some
-
passages which
-
may make your
-
yoke light in
-
spirit,
-
though not in
-
the flesh.
-
love he has
-
done.
-
She takes the
-
lonely yet
-
loved leper
-
through various
-
verses with
-
her comforting
-
comments for
-
his meditation.
-
Catherine also
-
sought to care
-
for a nephew
-
who was plagued
-
with syphilis.
-
In fact, to
-
this end, she
-
temporarily moved
-
into the
-
institution in
-
which he was
-
being treated.
-
and no
-
sooner had
-
Catherine moved
-
in than the
-
gifted administrator
-
in her discern
-
numerous changes
-
that were
-
absolutely needed.
-
She shot off a
-
letter to the
-
town council
-
and in it
-
she writes,
-
the manager
-
and his wife
-
live in luxury
-
and neglect
-
the patients.
-
beds rot,
-
water is not
-
heated for
-
baths,
-
tough,
-
and sometimes
-
wormy meat
-
is served
-
indiscriminately,
-
whereas some
-
require a
-
soft diet.
-
There is no
-
religious instruction
-
and some
-
patients do not
-
even know
-
the Lord's
-
prayer.
-
The manager
-
grumbles a
-
grace so that
-
one cannot tell
-
whether he
-
might not be
-
swearing.
-
The mercury
-
cure martyrs
-
the patients.
-
There should be
-
a dedicated
-
couple in
-
charge.
-
The number
-
of maids
-
should be
-
reduced.
-
The fewer,
-
the less
-
quarreling.
-
Get rid of
-
the savage
-
dog which
-
mangles all
-
the cats.
-
Give up
-
swine and
-
goats in
-
favor of a
-
hundred hens.
-
Have religious
-
instruction every
-
morning while the
-
heart is fresh.
-
For medication,
-
use only
-
goyak.
-
Whatever that
-
is.
-
Well, it was
-
obvious that
-
Catherine knew
-
just how to
-
run that
-
place and
-
her
-
recommendations
-
were adopted
-
in toto,
-
much to the
-
relief of the
-
grateful
-
patients.
-
Not only
-
elemasinary but
-
also educational
-
efforts animated
-
Catherine.
-
Early, while her
-
husband was still
-
living, and
-
Matthew
-
incidentally
-
shared her
-
concern for
-
popular education
-
composing two
-
simple catechisms
-
for children,
-
Catalina issued
-
a collection of
-
hymns sold in
-
four little
-
pamphlets for
-
a penny a
-
piece to
-
ensure wide
-
circulation.
-
Very, very
-
cheap for that
-
day.
-
A heller.
-
In the
-
preface,
-
Catherine wrote,
-
when I read
-
these hymns, I
-
felt that the
-
writer had the
-
whole Bible in
-
his heart.
-
This is not
-
just a hymn
-
book, but a
-
lesson book of
-
prayer and
-
praise.
-
When so many
-
filthy songs are
-
on the lips of
-
men and women
-
and even
-
children, I
-
think it well
-
that folk
-
should, with
-
lusty zeal and
-
clear voice, sing
-
the songs of
-
their salvation.
-
God is glad
-
when the
-
craftsman at
-
his bench, the
-
maid at the
-
sink, the
-
farmer at the
-
plow, the
-
dresser at the
-
vines, the
-
mother at the
-
cradle, break
-
forth in hymns
-
of prayer, praise,
-
and instruction.
-
Well, when the
-
interim ended in
-
the situation in
-
Strasbourg, in
-
her mind, scarcely
-
improved, at
-
least from her
-
point of view, for
-
the city then came
-
to be dominated by
-
stridently doctrinaire
-
Lutherans, zealous
-
to discern and
-
denounce the
-
slightest dogmatic
-
deviance from
-
their own narrow
-
creed.
-
once during a
-
Christmas sermon,
-
one of the most
-
rabid of them
-
all, his name
-
was actually
-
Ludwig Rabus, he
-
digressed from his
-
edifying text and
-
descended into
-
unedifying railing
-
against Schwenkfeld
-
by slandering him
-
as Stinkfeld, that
-
emissary from
-
Satan.
-
It was so that you
-
can kind of pun on
-
his name and make
-
it sound a lot
-
like a stinking
-
manure field.
-
So, in those days
-
they were no
-
strangers to
-
lampoon.
-
Well, Catherine
-
considered this
-
bereft of charity
-
and she
-
remonstrated with
-
Rabus in
-
private.
-
For this private
-
rebuke, Rabus
-
called Catherine a
-
disturber of the
-
peace.
-
But with this, he
-
seemed to have
-
tripped a wire and
-
she gave him a
-
peace of her mind.
-
And I certainly
-
think he had it
-
coming.
-
A disturber of
-
the peace am I.
-
Yes, indeed, my
-
own peace.
-
Do you call this
-
disturbing the peace?
-
That instead of
-
spending my time in
-
frivolous amusements,
-
I have visited the
-
plague infested and
-
carried out the
-
dead.
-
I have visited those
-
in prison and under
-
sentence of death,
-
often for three days
-
and three nights.
-
I have neither eaten
-
nor slept.
-
I have neither mounted
-
the pulpit.
-
I have never mounted
-
the pulpit, but I
-
have done more than
-
any minister in
-
visiting those in
-
misery.
-
Is this disturbing the
-
peace of the church?
-
Why do you rail at
-
Schwenkfeld?
-
You talk as if you
-
would have him burned
-
like poor Servetus in
-
Geneva.
-
You say that you have
-
left Strasbourg and
-
gone to Ulm because the
-
ministers here are too
-
lenient toward the
-
Schwenkfelders, the
-
Zviglians, or the
-
Anabaptists.
-
You behave as if you
-
have been brought up by
-
savages in a jungle.
-
The Anabaptists are
-
pursued as by a hunter
-
with dogs chasing wild
-
boars.
-
Yet the Anabaptists
-
accept Christ in all
-
essentials as we do.
-
They have borne witness
-
to their faith in
-
misery, prison, fire,
-
and water.
-
You young fellows tread
-
on the graves of the
-
first fathers of this
-
church in Strasbourg and
-
punish all who disagree
-
with you, but faith
-
cannot be forced.
-
You say that Strasbourg,
-
by her laxity, is a shame
-
and a scorn to all
-
Germany.
-
Not yet, my dear fellow.
-
She is rather an
-
example of mercy and
-
compassion.
-
My Matthew testified in
-
private, and from the
-
pulpit also, that he
-
would not be guilty of
-
the crucifixion of these
-
poor folk.
-
The good Samaritan, when
-
he came upon the man who
-
had fallen among thieves,
-
did not ask him to what
-
denomination he belonged,
-
but put him on his ass
-
and took him to an inn.
-
Remember the words of the
-
Lord Jesus, I am meek and
-
lowly of heart.
-
Well, Catherine's last
-
service was to a disciple
-
of Schwenkfeld, the wife
-
of a distinguished
-
physician.
-
On her death, the husband
-
asked if one of the
-
pastors would conduct the
-
funeral.
-
Only on the understanding
-
that I will declare her to
-
have fallen away from the
-
faith, came the reply.
-
Well, the husband sadly
-
declined and planned the
-
service-less internment at
-
6 a.m.
-
when none would notice.
-
Well, somehow Catherine
-
heard.
-
Too weak now to walk, she
-
had a carriage bring her to
-
the spot at that hour and
-
herself conducted the
-
service.
-
The town council, hearing of
-
the act, decreed that if
-
Catherine got well, she
-
should be reprimanded.
-
Well, the reprimand, that
-
reprimand was never given.
-
Indeed, perhaps the reverse
-
was given her.
-
For shortly after that, she
-
died in her 64th year, 16,
-
sorry, 1562, leaving behind
-
her, in many, a memory of a
-
strong and sweet savor of her
-
savior.
-
She had welcomed the
-
stranger, comforted the
-
sorrowful, befriended the
-
lonely, allayed the wounds of
-
the suffering.
-
Her gospel wells ran deep, and
-
out of them she drew to
-
refresh many.
-
Her life was a veritable
-
orchard of the fruits of the
-
spirit.
-
Oh, God, to raise up more
-
Catherine Zell among us.
-
Well, I have another profile
-
that I'd like to hit, but I
-
wondered if you, we may take
-
a few minutes if you had any
-
questions about Catherine Zell,
-
and then I'm going to finish up
-
some of the time that we have.
-
Do we still have a little
-
time?
-
Okay.
-
Or would you like me just to
-
go on, and then we can ask
-
questions about both?
-
Strasburg was German at this
-
time?
-
Yes.
-
Yes, exactly.
-
German speaking.
-
All right, I'll go on, and then
-
we can ask them.
-
Oh, that was, that was, there's
-
Schwenkfeld, there's Schwenkfeld.
-
Vibrondus Rosenblatt.
-
Surely, one of the most inside
-
views of the Reformation would
-
have to have been that possessed
-
by the much married Vibrondus
-
Rosenblatt.
-
For in her matrimonial migrations,
-
she would be the wife for,
-
she would be the wife successively
-
of three of the principal leaders
-
of the Reformation.
-
Vibrondus was born at Basel in 1504.
-
1504.
-
There's Basel in the time.
-
Ironically, she was named after
-
the remains of a saint, Vibrondus,
-
which lay in the altar of the
-
Basel Cathedral, from which very
-
pulpit, one of her future husbands
-
would denounce such relic-revering
-
practices as being named after the
-
relic of a saint.
-
Not quite 20, she was married to the
-
esteemed Basel humanist, Ludwig Keller.
-
Among the several things Keller must
-
have liked in his new wife was her
-
name, for he decided to call the
-
daughter that she bore him by that
-
very name, Vibrondus II.
-
The first marriage proved short, for
-
her husband died only two years after
-
their marriage, leaving Vibrondus a widow
-
with child at 22 years old.
-
Her consequent availability proved a
-
happy circumstance for a certain Basel
-
bachelor.
-
It was unlikely that she would not have
-
noticed him in the city, for his post as
-
principal preacher would have rendered him
-
as prominent as his pendulous promontory
-
of a nose.
-
Look at that guy.
-
Wow.
-
Gaunt, stooped, ill-nourished.
-
He appeared to some as a mere sack of bones
-
and friends of the gospel feared that he
-
might, that they might lose him to the
-
cause unless there would be someone to
-
feed him some square meals and tell him
-
when to blow out his candle for the
-
night.
-
Concern was heightened now that his
-
mother, who had tried to perform that
-
role for him, had died, leaving him to
-
fend for himself and to take care of his
-
aged father.
-
His old friend, Wolfgang Capito, who we
-
saw before, wrote to prompt him,
-
Marriage is honorable and especially for a
-
Christian pastor.
-
If a suitable person is pointed out to you,
-
I think you should not decline.
-
To have a mate of like zeal will be a
-
glory to the Lord.
-
Then wondering if the old bachelor might
-
be inadequately discriminating, added,
-
but there is no greater cross than to be
-
married to a daughter of Belial.
-
So watch out for that, gentlemen.
-
Seeking to allay his fears, Ucullumpadius,
-
so that's who that is, Ucullumpadius.
-
That's kind of a, that's a aggressor-sized
-
version of his German name, Hauschein or
-
Hauslamp.
-
So Ucullumpadius is Latin for, sorry,
-
Greek for Hauslamp.
-
He replied, don't worry about my
-
marrying.
-
Either I will find a Christian sister like
-
Monica, that's the mother of Augustine,
-
like Monica, or I'll remain unmarried.
-
Such a woman is a rare bird, but perhaps
-
one can be netted.
-
Well, he found in Vibrondus a Monica-like
-
sister and netted her March 15th, 1528.
-
She was 24.
-
He was 45.
-
Some thought them ill-matched, focusing on
-
the physical.
-
One commented uncharitably, a decrepit
-
old man with trembling head and body,
-
so emaciated and wasted that you might
-
well call him a living corpse, has
-
married an elegant and blooming girl of
-
20, more or less.
-
Erasmus teased that it was a rather
-
indulgent thing to do for Lent, scarcely
-
castigating the flesh to take a 20-year-old
-
wife.
-
But Ucullumpadius had not netted her for
-
form or face, but for her faith.
-
He wrote to Pharrell,
-
The Lord has given me a sister and wife.
-
She is well-versed in the knowledge of
-
Christ, with several years' experience of
-
bearing the cross.
-
And before long, she was also bearing a
-
son, Eusebius, born on Christmas Eve, 1528.
-
It would be an eventful year for the Ucullumpadiuses, for the
-
arrival of their first coincided with the dramatic crescendo of the
-
Reformation surge in the city, the storming of the cathedral and the
-
bonfire of the vanities.
-
Happily, their new baby was not colic.
-
Eusebius, reported Ucullumpadius, is a gentle and quiet child, unless hungry, thirsty, or in
-
need of a change.
-
But the father also noted, he is very subject to colds and coughing, and I fear he will
-
not live long.
-
He would live only to 13 years old.
-
Other children came, two daughters, whom they named Alethea, Truth, and Irene, Peace.
-
Vibrondus, her ever-burgeoning home, was constantly the site of hospitality, offered to many of the
-
leaders of the Reformation.
-
Zwingli visited, and Wolfgang Capito sampled her cooking, little knowing that in the future
-
he would enjoy a good bit more of it.
-
Even Servetus dropped by.
-
Soon, Vibrondus was exchanging letters with Anna Zwingli, Agnes Capito, Elizabeth Busser.
-
When in 1531, Zwingli died upon the field of Capel, Ucullumpadius was invited to Zurich
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to replace the fallen leader.
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He declined, probably sensing that for him the sands were low.
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And indeed, in a month, he followed his friend to the grave.
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So Vibrondus was thus at 26, for the second time a widow, now with four small children.
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That very month, in Strasbourg, Capito's wife, Agnes, was taken.
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And Busser, you remember, who was always active in finding wives for his colleagues, cast his
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eye about for a new wife for the widower, fearing that, given Capito's inclination to depression,
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the bitter loss would take a devastating toll.
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He didn't have to look very far.
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He revealed to a friend his matchmaking ambition.
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My choice for Capito is the widow of Ucullumpadius.
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And it seemed Capito already had Vibrondus on his mind, feeling for her loss.
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He, referring to Capito, Capito writes me that he has been very touched by the sight of the
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widow Vibrondus and all her orphaned children.
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Busser proposed to Capito that a trip would do him good and suggested the beautiful city
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of Basel.
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Why, you could drop in on the widow Vibrondus while you're there and offer her some comfort.
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Capito thought the trip a fine idea.
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When he arrived at Basel, he offered Vibrondus more than comfort.
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He offered her his hand.
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Oh, my, here is, there is Wolfgang Capito, her next husband.
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Um, uh, they were married on August 11th, 1532, much to the glee and satisfaction of Busser.
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Uh, of course, when Capito returned with his new wife, the family included the four children
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and Vibrondus' mother.
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Okay.
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So she, remember she had, she had children from first marriage, Keller.
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She had, uh, two from, uh, uh, then she had Aletha.
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So Eusebius, Irena, and Alethea from Ucculumpadius.
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So those four, uh, Vibrondus slotted into the new routine quite easily as her new husband's
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life, uh, scarcely differed from that of her late husband, both being pastor professors.
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Uh, the daily round she took in stride.
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Her energies were strained, however, by keeping the cradle full.
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To Capito, she bore five more children.
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Um, her good friend in Strasbourg, Elizabeth Busser, had born her husband, Martin, 13 children.
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Uh, those after church picnics must've been pretty lively when both the Capitos and the
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Bussers showed up in full strength.
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Uh, but in 1541, the plague struck Strasbourg, claiming 3,200 lives across the city.
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At the Busser household, only one child of the 13 survived the deadly scourge.
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Uh, Nathaniel, the one that survived, was a severely mentally and physically handicapped
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son.
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And Elizabeth herself was taken.
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Uh, she might have saved her life had she left the city at the outbreak of the epidemic.
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But her husband, Martin Busser, would not leave his flock and she would not leave her husband.
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In the Capito household, the plague took Eusebius, the son of Vibrondus by Ocolampadius and Dorothea
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and Wolfgang and Christoph, uh, two of her other children by Capito and Capito himself.
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So Vibrondus was again widowed with four surviving children and an aged mother.
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She's 47 now.
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As Elizabeth Busser lay stricken, it's hard to keep all these names.
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Elizabeth Busser lay stricken on her deathbed with the plague.
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Catherine Sell came to bring the news of Wolfgang Capito's death.
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Elizabeth, aware that for her, the bell would shortly toll, asked her husband, Martin Busser,
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to take the place of his colleague Capito by taking the widowed Vibrondus to be his wife.
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Now, Busser answered only by tears.
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I mean, his wife's not even dead yet and she's arranging for the next, the next wife.
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Uh, yet Elizabeth insisted and sent for Vibrondus who, having been only just widowed the night
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before, hesitated to be seen in public by day.
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She came by night and received Elizabeth's dying plea to care for her husband as his wife
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when she died.
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The wish of Elizabeth was fulfilled.
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In April 1542, Vibrondus took her place beside Martin Busser as his wife, he being her fourth husband.
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So there's Martin Busser.
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That's her husband now.
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Vibrondus proved a good wife to Busser.
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He wrote to a friend,
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I only hope I can be as kind to my new wife as she is to me,
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but oh for the pang for the one that I have lost.
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The new Busser household, though sorely reduced by the plague, was still not small.
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And Vibrondus certainly had her hands full.
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So Busser had a surviving son.
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Vibrondus brought her mother and four children, making for a family of eight, along with Vibrondus'
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mother and Busser's father with his father's second wife.
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So a lot of, a lot of ages.
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And soon more children arrived to the new couple.
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Though they were now at double digits of kids, they decided to augment their brood still further
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through adoption.
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They adopted a niece of Vibrondus, Margareta Rosenblatt.
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So it must have felt like a Sunday school when they all gathered around the table.
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Before and after every meal, Busser would read a chapter from scripture, followed by comment.
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Said one lodger,
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I always went away from this table more instructed, with doubts dissolved and confusion clarified.
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I find myself wondering how Busser was able to get so much done in his life, in the midst of this nursery of little needy ones.
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There's indication that he managed by staying up the balance of the night.
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An Italian immigrant who stayed in the Busser household for 17 days recalled of Busser,
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he devotes his nights to study and prayer, and I have never awakened to find, without finding him still up.
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It's probably what made him so susceptible to plague is they were sleep deprived too.
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Not a helpful thing.
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But even if we imagine Busser helping with a burgeoning brood, went around during the day,
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there were plenty of seasons when he was not around,
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and Vibrondus had to hold down the fort without him.
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On one occasion, Busser was away on a trip for an entire year.
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She did, of course, have a mother to help out,
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but not infrequently she, being well advanced in years, required more help than she could offer.
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In February 1548, a friend wrote,
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Another long absence came when Busser was called away to England
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to fill the Regis professorship at Cambridge of theology.
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He went out ahead and hoped Vibrondus and the family would join him once he was settled into a home.
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She must have been quite secure in their relationship,
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along with a possession of a robust humor,
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for her old friend, who was with Busser in England, wrote to her teasingly,
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You'd better come to care for Busser, else he might marry someone else.
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The Duchess of Suffolk would have him in a moment.
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She is a widow.
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Well, whatever were the hopes of the Duchess of Suffolk, it is clear what Busser wanted.
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He wrote expressing the hope that she might join him soon.
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How I'd love to have you here, but we are in the Lord's hands.
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While it is obvious that it was Vibrondus he missed,
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it was also evident that he missed all the practical ways in which she took care of him,
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for he was not managing too well on his own.
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At the end of his plea for her to join him, he adds,
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But if you cannot come, I wonder if a trusty brother and his wife might come and cook for me
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and look after the house.
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You know what kind of a housekeeper I am.
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If I could have that hope, I could the better spare you until the times improve,
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but I am in the Lord's hands.
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His final PS was a request for certain books she might obtain for him.
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Thus, Vibrondus also acted as a book agent, it seems.
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It was not easy for Busser to be away from his family.
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Truly, it is no light cross to give up one's own household, he wrote.
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But before too long, she was restored to her husband's side,
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making the trip to England with an advanced contingent to the family.
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Surveying the scene, she decided to return for the rest of the family,
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leaving Agnes Capito, that is, daughter by her third husband,
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to look after her fourth husband.
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She got back to Strasbourg to find that the Catholic authorities
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were trying to confiscate their property.
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Vibrondus was summoned to appear in court.
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We have a hint as to her plucky nature from this incident.
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It seems one of the local friends, Sol,
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was concerned that Vibrondus would give the magistrates a piece of her mind
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over their injustice.
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She wrote to Busser,
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Sol confided in me his fear that if I appeared in court,
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I would say something hot,
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and indeed I might certainly have done so.
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Instead of appearing in court,
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she had the fine idea of a relaxing visit in a spa.
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They did have spas back in those days.
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It seems hot spring spas were a favorite retreat
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for the fast-paced Busser household,
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for Martin fantasized over his German thermal baths more than once
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during the cold, wet winters in Cambridge.
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While refreshed from her spa tune-up,
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Vibrondus packed up the rest of the family,
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grandma and all,
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and made the journey back to England.
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But scarcely had she finally arrived
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when Busser fell ill.
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Vibrondus, in caring for her husband,
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grew so exhausted herself,
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she remembered that teasing about
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an admiring Duchess of Suffolk
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and actually asked her
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if she would be willing to help relieve her
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of her incessant nursing
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through the final stages of Busser's illness.
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The Duchess cordially obliged
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and by taking part of the load
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probably saved Vibrondus a breakdown.
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With her husband gone,
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there was no reason for her to remain a foreigner in England,
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so she worked on getting the whole family back to Strasbourg.
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But alas, money was lacking,
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and she had to appeal to Cranmer,
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Thomas Cranmer,
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the Archbishop of Canterbury's kindness,
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to help them get home.
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This he gladly did.
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She did leave the Archbishop Busser's books.
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What was left of them,
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Cranmer complains in a letter
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that I think the Duchess got them all.
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So she did get something.
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Vibrondus managed to get the family home,
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grandma and all,
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but most were now gone
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that she had once known and loved.
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So she moved on to the city of her birth,
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Basel.
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One wonders if a prospective fifth husband
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was waiting in the wings.
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In any case,
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her matrimonial migrations
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had finally come to an end.
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In 1564,
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a terrible plague carried off
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7,000 in the city,
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and Vibrondus was among them.
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She was laid to rest beside her second husband,
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Ucullampadius,
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remember the long-nosed guy,
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in the cloister walk of the cathedral.
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And now,
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I suppose the pressing question
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is that of the Sadducees.
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Whose wife shall she be in the judgment?
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She was cast by the hand of providence
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into demanding callings.
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She answered that call
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with a life of courage,
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character, and commitment.
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Firmly established upon the Rock of Ages,
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she was able to stand in the midst
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of tumults,
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life,
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and weather
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the fierce storms of that age.
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And upon that great rock,
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she was able herself
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to be a little rock
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for the many God had given her
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to love
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and care for.
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Neither could they have been
-
what they were without her.
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And if history stints her praise,
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its author,
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the author of history,
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who sees all
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and knows all,
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shall not.
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Its
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history
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sees her
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behind her husbands,
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God sees her
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beside them.
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Okay.
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Thank you.
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I don't know how much time
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we have, Tom.
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I will remain
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to answer any questions
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that people have,
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but we might need
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to dismiss soon.
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Yeah, I think the folks
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want to go there again.
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Yep.
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I think the service
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is still going,
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so,
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I believe,
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so,
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it's probably going
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to be too long.
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You are dismissed,
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but I will remain
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if anyone has any questions
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or comments
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or anything.
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Yes!
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I have a question.
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Thank you.
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It was great.
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If you could go back
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and capture it
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for a moment.
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I just got some notes.
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Yes.
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So,
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she was a remarkable person.
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A capable administrator,
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an earnest peacemaker,
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quietly courageous.
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But I think
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a really outstanding
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that came across
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was just her
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generous
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and welcoming hospitality.
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Yes.
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And I was wondering
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if you would comment
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on what you think
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the role of hospitality
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is in the church today.
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Yes.
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Oh,
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that's a great question.
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You know,
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if you think about it,
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hospitality
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is a wonderful expression
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of the gospel.
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If we think about
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what,
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hospitality
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is taking
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the riches
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that we have
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and enjoy,
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the joys
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and the delights
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that we have
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in our family
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and extending
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and extending
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those to others.
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And is that not
-
what our salvation is?
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There's the wonderful
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mutual joy,
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delights within the Trinity,
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that rich dance
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of love
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and all this blessing.
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And from that richness,
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there is an extension
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of that
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and a welcoming in
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of others
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to enjoy that.
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At great cost,
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often hospitality,
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costs us a lot
-
to extend
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that gift
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of welcome
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and coming in
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and to enjoy.
-
And again,
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God,
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at great cost
-
to himself,
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extends
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the richness
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of the savor
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that he enjoys
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to us,
-
unworthy,
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without respect
-
to our worthiness
-
of it.
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And yes,
-
that's a,
-
yeah,
-
so it's a wonderful
-
and critical
-
picture
-
or expression
-
of the gospel.
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So this should be
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absolutely central.
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And if you look
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in the New Testament,
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it is not distinct
-
from the Old Testament,
-
but reinforced
-
in the New Testament
-
how central this is.
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For example,
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an elder
-
needed to be given
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to hospitality.
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This is something
-
indispensable.
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So whether or not
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we think that we have
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gifts in it,
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it's commanded to do
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because it is so central
-
to the gospel.
-
So,
-
and the joys in it
-
are wonderful,
-
aren't there?
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It's,
-
we never quite know
-
how we're going
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to be blessed
-
and entertaining.
-
Is it what,
-
Hebrews 13,
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I think one,
-
maybe,
-
where I'm talking about,
-
hey,
-
keep offering hospitality
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joyfully.
-
Who knows?
-
You may end up
-
entertaining angels
-
unaware.
-
There's always
-
a wonderful blessing
-
that comes to us too.
-
So,
-
yes.
-
Yes,
-
Tom.
-
So,
-
it's just
-
the grief
-
that some of these folks
-
went through
-
and it's stunning
-
and heartbreaking.
-
I was wondering
-
if you had any
-
impressions
-
on how they
-
handled that grief
-
and if,
-
you know,
-
there's cases
-
of them
-
where it just
-
wandered in
-
for decades.
-
Yeah.
-
Because sometimes,
-
you know,
-
it sounds like
-
when you hear the stories
-
that kind of got over it,
-
so to speak,
-
like a little crass,
-
and they're like,
-
I'm just wondering
-
what you're expecting
-
to do with that.
-
Yeah,
-
yeah.
-
It was,
-
I mean,
-
you just think of it,
-
it's just a wave
-
of all these woes.
-
You know,
-
how,
-
just unimaginable,
-
to bury your children.
-
It's got to be
-
one of the hardest,
-
hardest things.
-
things.
-
And some of it,
-
I think,
-
is they had
-
a profounder sense
-
than we often do,
-
certainly than I have,
-
as to what we expect
-
in life.
-
And they took
-
very seriously
-
the fact that
-
we are in
-
a fallen world.
-
And woes
-
will be the lot
-
of the children
-
of God.
-
Not distinct
-
from those
-
who are not believers.
-
believers.
-
Indeed,
-
it was their
-
expectation
-
that being believers,
-
our woes
-
will be greater
-
because we will not
-
be trying to avoid
-
them at all times.
-
We will wade in.
-
We are salt and light.
-
We need to bear
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the burdens
-
of one another.
-
We go in
-
and try to carry them.
-
And so,
-
particularly for Christians
-
in this world,
-
you shall have
-
much tribulation.
-
And they,
-
they actually expected
-
that and counted
-
on that.
-
So,
-
it was actually true,
-
remember in Peter,
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beloved,
-
don't be surprised
-
at the fiery ordeal
-
among you
-
that comes upon you
-
for your testing
-
as though some strange
-
thing were happening
-
to you.
-
So,
-
so that was when
-
they seemed
-
to,
-
to,
-
to,
-
to have a better
-
sense that
-
this is our
-
lot.
-
Uh,
-
uh,
-
then,
-
uh,
-
there is,
-
uh,
-
a,
-
a literature
-
that,
-
that,
-
that ends up
-
developing
-
during the Reformation.
-
There's a scholar
-
named Ron Ritkers
-
who's written a lot
-
on this
-
that just looks
-
at some of the,
-
the consolation
-
literature
-
and,
-
uh,
-
much of what
-
there is.
-
And,
-
and Catherine's
-
was a wonderful
-
example of it
-
where,
-
what do we do?
-
Well,
-
let's take
-
these wonderful
-
biblical truths
-
and let's make sure
-
that we are
-
building our house
-
on the rock
-
of these promises
-
of God.
-
And that is a
-
stability
-
in which we can stand.
-
And you remember
-
in Matthew 7,
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23,
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24,
-
uh,
-
uh,
-
that,
-
uh,
-
that the wise
-
one hears
-
these words of
-
mine and he
-
puts them into
-
practice.
-
They shall be
-
like one who
-
builds their house
-
on a rock
-
that when,
-
not if,
-
when the winds
-
and the rains
-
and the storms
-
batter against
-
the house
-
will stand
-
because it's
-
established on
-
the rock.
-
So there was
-
a sense that
-
we need,
-
uh,
-
to really be
-
building.
-
And a lot
-
of times
-
in,
-
uh,
-
they,
-
you,
-
they,
-
they did a
-
good job.
-
It seems Tom
-
always seeking
-
to,
-
to take in
-
the comfort
-
of those promises
-
and building
-
even in the
-
times that
-
weren't so
-
difficult,
-
knowing that
-
they will
-
surely come.
-
Uh,
-
so almost
-
like Joseph,
-
uh,
-
look,
-
what,
-
let's,
-
let's harvest
-
some of the
-
fat years
-
for lean
-
years will
-
be coming
-
and that
-
sort of
-
practice.
-
So if we
-
wait to try
-
to reach out
-
and grab
-
the consolation
-
of the word
-
when we are
-
in our
-
distress,
-
that often
-
seems too
-
late.
-
We really
-
need to be
-
building that
-
fortification
-
for when
-
those times
-
will come.
-
And they
-
seem to have
-
been good
-
at,
-
at that.
-
Uh,
-
they also
-
seem to be
-
really willing
-
to share.
-
Did you
-
notice how
-
they,
-
they weren't
-
isolated.
-
They weren't
-
even isolated
-
in their
-
marriage.
-
You know,
-
oh my
-
goodness,
-
your husband
-
died.
-
Well,
-
I,
-
here,
-
I have a
-
husband.
-
I'm about
-
to die.
-
Here,
-
you have
-
him.
-
I mean,
-
they really
-
are,
-
they,
-
they're in
-
a common,
-
common lot
-
and they
-
really are
-
seeking to
-
lean in to
-
bear one
-
another's
-
burdens.
-
And I
-
think that
-
this is,
-
this is really
-
critical and
-
we ought not
-
to think that
-
the measure of
-
our strength
-
is our
-
ability to
-
take all
-
of these
-
things alone
-
in an
-
isolated way.
-
But,
-
but to,
-
to share
-
and bear
-
one another's
-
burdens and
-
to be involved
-
in each
-
other's lives.
-
So,
-
and they
-
seem to
-
have done
-
that well
-
as even
-
evidenced by
-
some of
-
these stories.
-
Yeah.
-
Yeah.
-
Your comment
-
about Martin
-
Luther not
-
shaking the
-
hand of
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the,
-
Zingley,
-
yep.
-
Zingley over
-
the Lord's
-
Supper.
-
Yep.
-
I think
-
about
-
Edwards'
-
community
-
controversy
-
where
-
sometimes
-
secondary
-
matters
-
become
-
primary
-
court.
-
Yep.
-
Or Edwards,
-
Bar,
-
unbelievers,
-
the Lord's
-
table.
-
Yep.
-
What would
-
you say
-
would be
-
an appropriate
-
circumstance
-
where a
-
secondary
-
matter
-
should take
-
primary
-
court?
-
So,
-
I think
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you want
-
to tell
-
us,
-
you want
-
to affirm
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our
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privateary
-
brother and
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sister,
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the Lord
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Christ,
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the Lord
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Bible.
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when should
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those
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secondary
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matters
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become
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primary
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courts?
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Yeah,
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yeah.
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Great,
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great question.
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Challenging
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one.
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I think
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one,
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I think I'd
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want to say
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it first,
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I think we
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should always
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keep a
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distinction
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between
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primary and
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secondary
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matters.
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secondary
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matters.
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So,
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when you
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say sometimes
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a secondary
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matter might
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function as
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a primary
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matter,
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I don't
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know that
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that would
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be the
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best way
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to put
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it,
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because that
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could then
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blur that
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there is a
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distinction
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between
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primary and
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secondary
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matters.
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So,
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maybe what
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you're asking
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is,
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when do
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secondary
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matters
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actually come
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to be of
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some
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importance
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that we
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would want
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to give
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them expression
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and not
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just say,
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oh,
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well,
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they don't
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matter because
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they're
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secondary.
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secondary.
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And I
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think in
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those,
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there are
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times we
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think,
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well,
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actually,
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this is
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where we
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want to
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give expression
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to the
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faithfulness
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of God.
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So,
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for example,
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in this
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church,
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we think
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that a
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faithful
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expression
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to the
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truth of
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God
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is in
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baptism,
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in
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believer's
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baptism,
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where
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faith and
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baptism are
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united and
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not separated,
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because it
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seems like the
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scripture links
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those things.
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Whereas infant
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baptism pulls
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them apart.
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So,
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we think,
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hey,
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that's an
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important expression.
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We recognize
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that it's not
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primary.
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We welcome
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people into
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fellowship,
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but we
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practice that
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truth here in
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this congregation,
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following our
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conscience and
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in good conscience
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and happy to
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do so.
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So,
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we do give
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it importance,
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but we
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recognize that
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that doesn't
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mean that a
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person cannot
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fellowship with
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us and we
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receive them as
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sisters and
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brothers.
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we just
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follow our
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conscience in
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this matter,
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hopefully always
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with charity.
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So,
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and there'd
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be all kinds
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of other
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illustrations or
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examples,
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but we can
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talk a little
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bit more
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later about
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particulars.
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But,
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yeah,
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yeah.
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Sure.
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Thank you so
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much for
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sharing the
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stories of
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these really
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remarkable
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things.
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It seems
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quite a
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monumental
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task to
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be looking
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after so
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many,
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this many
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children,
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visiting the
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leprosy
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ridden and
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incarcerated and
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providing comments
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on, like,
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hospital care.
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you mentioned
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that they had a
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network of
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support amongst
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themselves.
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Was there a
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sense that their
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husbands lifted a
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finger to help
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them in these
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tasks, like
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visiting the
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sick, visiting
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the imprisoned?
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Yes, they
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definitely did,
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and that was
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considered part of
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pastoral care.
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And even
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domestic duties,
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we might imagine
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that this is
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kind of
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traditional,
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but in one
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sense,
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there were,
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the scriptures
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were kind of
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coming into
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fresh prominence,
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and these
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reformers were
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really trying to
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engage with the
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scriptures to
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figure out,
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well, what does
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this look like?
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And family
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life for
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ministers, for
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pastors, this
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was a new
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thing.
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Because otherwise,
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you just had
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clerical celibacy
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before then in the
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Roman Catholic
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Church.
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So they were
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coming to
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scripture to
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feel like,
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well, what does
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this look like?
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And many of
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them concluded,
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hey, we need to
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love our wives,
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is what it says,
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we need to help
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them in this
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way.
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So Martin
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Luther,
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changed
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diapers.
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Martin
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Luther,
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changed
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diapers.
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He didn't
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say, hey,
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that's
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Catherine's
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thing.
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Many of
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these men
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were extremely
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helpful, and
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they kind of
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saw it in
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terms of, okay,
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how do we
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survive?
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How can we
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each bring our
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best to bear to
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the extent that
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we can do
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this?
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things?
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And there
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wasn't always
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and even
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typically clear
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roles established.
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That tends to
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come a lot
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later.
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When you've
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got frontier
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time, when
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you're figuring
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out what does
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it look like
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to have a new
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family as a
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pastor, it's
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improvisational.
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And a lot of
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times it's so
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challenging, you're
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just thinking,
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what do we do
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to survive?
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We're making
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this up as we
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go along.
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So you don't
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see as many of
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the traditional
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roles in this
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first generation.
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You almost need
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to wait for
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custom to
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kind of begin
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to take shape.
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So they're
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pretty creative,
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frankly.
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Yeah, that's
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certainly true.
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And, you
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know, I
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just see
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a
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willingness
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on both
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part to
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do what
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needed to
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be done.
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To
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take care of
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our families
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well and to
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take care of
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other people's
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families well and
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to take care of
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the poor.
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And we just do
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what we can do
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according to our
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gifts, according
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to some callings,
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and as the
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Lord provides
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strength.
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And it
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looks really
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different from
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different people
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not a lot of
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clear, you
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know, in this
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first generation,
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not a lot of
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clear patterns yet
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because they're
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making stuff up
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as they go along.
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It's kind of new.
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It's a new time.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think we
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probably better
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conclude.
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Well, thank you,
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team.
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And if you're
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able to make it,
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we'll see you
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next week,
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Lord willing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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