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  1. All right, everybody, let's get started.

  2. Welcome.

  3. We're talking about the reliability of the New Testament

  4. in this kind of sub-series of our larger series about Scripture.

  5. And we're in class two.

  6. Last week, we talked about the preservation of the New Testament.

  7. We spoke about how the New Testament has been extraordinarily preserved

  8. throughout the centuries,

  9. and thus ensuring that we have access to the original words of the apostles.

  10. And then this week, today, we're going to be talking about the canonicity of the New Testament.

  11. And with this, I'll answer questions like,

  12. who decided what books were in the New Testament?

  13. And how was the New Testament put together?

  14. And what about all those false gospels we hear about sometimes?

  15. Why aren't those in the Bible?

  16. And then a couple weeks from now,

  17. we're going to look at the accuracy of the New Testament,

  18. and we'll talk about how the New Testament is historically reliable,

  19. how it's true, and how it's trustworthy.

  20. So that's what we're going to cover today.

  21. Let's open in prayer together.

  22. Father in heaven, we thank you for this opportunity to not just study your word,

  23. but to learn about your word and how you saw fit to assemble it for us.

  24. Father, we ask you to send your Holy Spirit into this time right now,

  25. that you'd put him in our hearts to guide us into truth,

  26. to encourage us,

  27. and to move us closer to you,

  28. and to help us to grow in your truth,

  29. in knowledge of your word,

  30. in love for you,

  31. love for one another,

  32. to grow in humility and gentleness of heart.

  33. And we pray this in the mighty name of Jesus.

  34. Amen.

  35. All right.

  36. So if you're like me,

  37. you might have a lot of questions.

  38. You might even have some concerns about how the Bible was put together.

  39. You might sometimes wonder how things got in there.

  40. What if someone messed up?

  41. What if someone put things in the Bible that shouldn't be there,

  42. or maybe took some things out that should be there?

  43. And so today,

  44. I want us to consider these questions

  45. and look at the answers that we have for them.

  46. And my hope is that after today,

  47. you'll see a glimpse of how God has worked by his Holy Spirit

  48. to not just inspire and preserve the New Testament,

  49. but also to assemble it and to put it together.

  50. And so before we talk about that,

  51. before we talk about how the New Testament was assembled and formed and put together,

  52. I first just need to give a brief word about what the New Testament is made up of.

  53. The New Testament is a collection of 27 books and letters

  54. that were written under the authority of Jesus's apostles.

  55. These apostles, these disciples of Jesus were commissioned by him.

  56. He gave authority to them to teach and to preach his gospel

  57. and to explain Christian doctrine.

  58. Now, there's a lot of misconceptions

  59. or even false theories about how these apostolic documents

  60. were assembled into the New Testament.

  61. And you've likely heard some of these misconceptions or theories.

  62. You might even believe some of these things.

  63. And so I think it'd be good to start our time off

  64. by going through some of these misconceptions

  65. or false theories about how the Bible got put together.

  66. And so we're going to do that first.

  67. We're going to start by just going through some of these that you hear about,

  68. and I'll address each one in turn.

  69. So perhaps the one that I'll talk about first,

  70. I call this one the Bible drop down from heaven theory.

  71. And most people, they don't often put it in so many words,

  72. even if this is kind of what they believe.

  73. But basically, this theory assumes that the Bible was created outside of time,

  74. outside of history, without human hands,

  75. and just presented to us on earth in a nice, neat little package.

  76. And this is actually, substantively,

  77. the theory for other holy books of other religions.

  78. So for instance, the Quran, the holy text in Islam,

  79. Muslims traditionally believe that it was written on tablets in heaven

  80. and then brought down to earth,

  81. where Muhammad, their prophet, memorized it and then presented it.

  82. Mormons believe this about the Book of Mormon,

  83. that Joseph Smith found some gold tablets that were written,

  84. and he transcribed them and presented this Book of Mormon.

  85. But this is, of course, not how the Bible was written.

  86. And the Bible is very clear on this.

  87. If you just glance at it, you'll see that the Bible was written by humans

  88. and in human history.

  89. It's made up of dozens of different books,

  90. written by many different authors living in hundreds,

  91. if not thousands, of miles apart,

  92. and hundreds, if not thousands, of years apart as well.

  93. And God saw fit to inspire prophets over the ages to write his word.

  94. And because God is a God of love who delights in humans,

  95. who delights in his children,

  96. he welcomed them to become part of this process of writing scripture

  97. and inspired some of these prophets.

  98. And that's where our Bible comes from today.

  99. So this whole theory of the Bible kind of drop down from heaven theory,

  100. it's not really an accurate way to understand how the Bible was put together.

  101. A second common false view is, I call this the conspiracy view.

  102. This view maintains that sometime in the early 4th century,

  103. maybe 300 years after Jesus,

  104. the Roman Emperor Constantine or an early Pope,

  105. they plotted or they colluded to manufacture the New Testament.

  106. Constantine, of course, is known as the first Christian emperor of Rome.

  107. He came to power in the early 300s.

  108. And the running assumption behind this theory,

  109. you'll find this in popular culture sometimes,

  110. is that Constantine and this early Pope were pretty bad guys,

  111. and they're sitting in some smoke-filled room colluding,

  112. and they put stuff in the Bible that shouldn't be there,

  113. and they took stuff out that should have been in there,

  114. probably while committing all sorts of other horrible crimes.

  115. And if any of you are familiar with the Da Vinci Code,

  116. it was popular some years ago,

  117. the author Dan Brown posits this very theory.

  118. But, of course, neither Constantine nor an early Pope

  119. decided what was in the Bible.

  120. This is, in fact, so false,

  121. it's hard to believe it has much currency today.

  122. There's simply no evidence that Constantine or an early Pope

  123. ever decided what was in the New Testament,

  124. and there's a whole lot of evidence against it.

  125. In fact, even if Constantine or some early Pope

  126. did try and decide what was in the New Testament,

  127. their power only extended to Roman territory.

  128. And by the 4th century,

  129. Christianity was so far widespread

  130. beyond the Roman Empire,

  131. which you can see there in red or pink,

  132. that even if they had decided this,

  133. they had no power over the Sassanian Empire

  134. in the East or Ethiopia in the South.

  135. There was no phone lines.

  136. They couldn't pick up a phone

  137. and tell people what was in their Bible.

  138. And even if they did, they would have been ignored

  139. because these folks are in other power centers

  140. far removed from Rome.

  141. And in fact, we do have some later examples

  142. in the 4th and 5th century

  143. of Christians in these areas

  144. specifically ignoring what Roman Christians were doing.

  145. And so this theory of an early Pope

  146. or Bishop of Rome

  147. or an early Roman Emperor colluding to manufacture,

  148. it's just not true.

  149. They didn't decide what was in the New Testament.

  150. So that's another misconception,

  151. another false theory about how the Bible got put together.

  152. But let's keep moving.

  153. Let's talk about a third theory.

  154. This one I call the Ecumenical Church Council Theory.

  155. So this theory maintains

  156. that there was some ecumenical church council,

  157. by ecumenical, I mean universal or worldwide.

  158. And this council happened sometime way back in antiquity.

  159. And this council had representatives

  160. from all the churches of the world.

  161. And this council codified the contents of the New Testament.

  162. Well, many Christians will be surprised to learn

  163. that this is not true.

  164. There was no ecumenical worldwide church council

  165. that ratified the contents of the New Testament

  166. or decided what books were in it.

  167. There were, of course,

  168. various smaller local regional councils

  169. that sometimes issued New Testament lists

  170. way back in antiquity.

  171. But these had limited influence

  172. just to their general area.

  173. And so there was no worldwide council

  174. that had some kind of binding power

  175. that decided what was in the New Testament.

  176. The closest we can come to is something like this,

  177. the Council of Trulow in Constantinople in 692.

  178. This was a large council.

  179. It did issue some edicts about the contents

  180. of the New Testament.

  181. But the problem with the Council of Trulow,

  182. it was only a Roman council.

  183. Only the Roman Empire really accepted this.

  184. And as I've already shown,

  185. Christianity was far, far more widespread

  186. than the Roman Empire.

  187. We could say the same thing

  188. about the Second Council of Nicaea in 787 CE.

  189. They did the same thing.

  190. But again, just a Roman council.

  191. If we go earlier, like the Council of Hippo in 393,

  192. Hippo is kind of a funny name, I know.

  193. That's where Augustine was bishop back in 393.

  194. They did issue a list of New Testament books as well.

  195. And they're, of course, much earlier.

  196. But again, this was a regional council.

  197. It was even smaller than the Roman Empire.

  198. It was just Northwest Africa.

  199. So this theory, the ecumenical church council theory,

  200. it's an attractive theory.

  201. But it's also not true.

  202. Now, this next theory has probably the most truth to it

  203. of the ones that we've looked at.

  204. This theory states that the apostles

  205. collected the New Testament.

  206. So according to this theory,

  207. the apostles of Jesus,

  208. they not only supervised the writing of the New Testament,

  209. they also helped collect the New Testament documents

  210. and assemble them together in a single book.

  211. Sometimes you hear, for example,

  212. that John, the apostle John, the son of Zebedee,

  213. the last surviving disciple of Jesus

  214. and author of the book of Revelation,

  215. sometimes you hear that he was responsible

  216. for sealing the New Testament.

  217. And some people find evidence for this

  218. with John's last words

  219. in the last verses of the New Testament,

  220. where he says in the book of Revelation,

  221. if anyone adds to these things,

  222. God will add to him the plagues

  223. that are written in this book.

  224. And if anyone takes away from the words

  225. of the book of this prophecy,

  226. God shall take away his part from the book of life

  227. and from the holy city

  228. and from the things which are written in this book.

  229. Now, there is good reason to believe

  230. that John and other apostles

  231. did help assemble at least part of the New Testament.

  232. For example, the ancient Christian writer Eusebius,

  233. he's writing around the year 311.

  234. He's famous for kind of being the father of history.

  235. He was a fantastic historian.

  236. He writes that the apostle John

  237. accepted the other three gospels

  238. by Matthew, Mark, and Luke,

  239. and that he bore witness to their truthfulness.

  240. And then he wrote his fourth gospel,

  241. the gospel of John,

  242. as a supplement to the other three.

  243. And certainly it seems probable

  244. that the apostles did play a role

  245. in gathering the New Testament together.

  246. Not just John, but for instance,

  247. the second letter of Peter,

  248. he talks about Paul's letters.

  249. He mentions them as scripture.

  250. Peter seems to be affirming these letters

  251. as something that Christians should obey

  252. and consider as the inspired word of God.

  253. Peter also mentions Mark

  254. as being a very faithful Christian.

  255. Mark, of course, wrote the gospel of Mark.

  256. And in fact, an early Christian writer named Papias,

  257. writing around the year 115 AD,

  258. he tells us that Mark recorded Peter's preaching

  259. and that Peter approved of it

  260. and that that's what the gospel of Mark is.

  261. So Peter and John seem to have played some kind of role.

  262. Paul, the apostle,

  263. he also seems to have played a role

  264. in the collection of his own letters

  265. or at least some of his followers,

  266. maybe Timothy or Silas did.

  267. Paul also in 1 Timothy,

  268. I believe it's 1 Timothy 5, 17 through 18,

  269. he seems to call the gospel of Luke scripture.

  270. He seems to be affirming the gospel of Luke

  271. as part of scripture.

  272. So this theory that the apostles played a significant role

  273. in collecting and assembling the documents

  274. of the New Testament,

  275. this is a very reasonable theory.

  276. They clearly played a large role in that.

  277. But we don't have any explicit evidence

  278. that one or some of the apostles

  279. collected all 27 books of the New Testament.

  280. And it would seem likely

  281. that early Christian writings

  282. would mention this fact if it had happened,

  283. but they don't insofar as I'm aware.

  284. And there's also a problem

  285. in that it seems like probably the last book

  286. to be written was the book of Revelation by John.

  287. But John wrote this when he was in exile on an island

  288. and there were other apostles

  289. scattered around the whole world.

  290. It almost seems like they wouldn't have had an opportunity

  291. to collect all these things before they passed away,

  292. at least the final documents that were written.

  293. So definitely it seems like the apostles

  294. played a significant role,

  295. but that's not the whole story.

  296. So if this is the case,

  297. who decided what was in the New Testament?

  298. How did it come to include the 27 books

  299. that we have today?

  300. At some point,

  301. or at this point, I should say,

  302. some people start scratching their heads

  303. and begin wondering what other options

  304. are even available

  305. if these four theories aren't the whole truth.

  306. Well, the answer is, I think,

  307. a wonderful testimony to God's guiding spirit

  308. throughout the history of the church.

  309. And here's the answer.

  310. The answer of how the New Testament was assembled

  311. is that it was not assembled

  312. in one place or time by one person or group.

  313. Rather, the New Testament was assembled

  314. by various churches throughout history,

  315. relatively independently of one another,

  316. and it was done so many times.

  317. Many times, and this all began

  318. in the very early church of the second century.

  319. Back then, when these churches were gathering

  320. the contents of the New Testament,

  321. they all had one overriding factor.

  322. They wanted to identify documents

  323. that were published by the apostles

  324. or were published with their supervision.

  325. And from the very beginning,

  326. there was broad agreement

  327. over what these documents included,

  328. and any disagreements were met

  329. with careful consideration,

  330. with prayer, and with research.

  331. And the remarkable, perhaps even this stunning result,

  332. is that every ancient Christian community

  333. eventually came to use

  334. the very same 27-book New Testament

  335. that we have today.

  336. In other words, the same New Testament

  337. remarkably emerged in multiple churches

  338. relatively independently of one another,

  339. just like how God used multiple people

  340. over many countries and many languages

  341. to write his Bible,

  342. he also used many people over many countries

  343. to put it together.

  344. Now, you might be a little skeptical about this,

  345. so I think it might be helpful

  346. if I showed you what this process

  347. of putting the New Testament together looks like.

  348. So that's what we'll do right now.

  349. To do this,

  350. I want us to travel back in time,

  351. just about 2,000 years

  352. to the very beginning of the Christian church,

  353. to those first few decades

  354. after the resurrection of Jesus,

  355. when the apostles are traveling around the world

  356. and preaching the gospel of salvation.

  357. And if we go to, say, 45 AD,

  358. let's say to ancient Corinth,

  359. and if we peek in on a church service

  360. at this time in the church of Corinth,

  361. we'll notice something about their Bible.

  362. We'll notice that in 45 AD,

  363. they didn't have a New Testament,

  364. and that's because the New Testament didn't exist yet.

  365. It hadn't been written yet.

  366. These very first Christians,

  367. like those in Corinth,

  368. they did not have the New Testament

  369. because, like I said,

  370. the apostles hadn't started writing it yet.

  371. The scriptures that they held to

  372. were the Old Testament.

  373. The earliest New Testament scriptures

  374. were written within a few years of 50 AD or so,

  375. and so in 45 AD,

  376. none of them had been written yet.

  377. It's only 15 years or so,

  378. maybe even less after the resurrection of Jesus,

  379. and so this church is using the Old Testament.

  380. But if we stick around in Corinth long enough

  381. and keep going to their church services

  382. faithfully every Sunday,

  383. there will eventually come a day

  384. when the Corinthians get a letter

  385. from a guy named the Apostle Paul.

  386. And we now call this letter 1 Corinthians,

  387. and it's in our New Testament today.

  388. And because in 45 AD,

  389. Paul was an apostle of Jesus,

  390. commissioned by Jesus to have great authority

  391. to preach and to teach,

  392. the Corinthians get this letter

  393. and they start reading Paul's letter aloud

  394. in their church services

  395. alongside the Old Testament.

  396. And this is actually something

  397. Paul instructed them to do.

  398. In some of his letters,

  399. he says,

  400. make sure you read this out loud

  401. in your church service.

  402. And the Corinthians then start sending this letter

  403. around to their neighboring churches

  404. in Greece,

  405. in Philippi,

  406. in Thessalonica,

  407. which is, again,

  408. something Paul told his churches to do.

  409. And those churches in Thessalonica

  410. and Philippi

  411. begin sending the Corinthians

  412. their letters from apostles,

  413. which we now call

  414. 1 and 2 Thessalonians

  415. and Philippians.

  416. And all of a sudden,

  417. perhaps without them even realizing it,

  418. the New Testament is being born.

  419. And over the next 30 or 40 years,

  420. various apostles wrote or supervised

  421. the composition of New Testament documents.

  422. And over these decades and afterwards,

  423. Christians began exchanging

  424. and verifying these documents

  425. to make sure they actually came

  426. from the apostles.

  427. And sometimes churches would find

  428. that a document they had accepted

  429. as being apostolic really wasn't.

  430. And they would reject it.

  431. We actually have witnesses of this

  432. in the New Testament,

  433. in 2 Thessalonians,

  434. when Paul says,

  435. don't be troubled by a letter

  436. as if from me

  437. saying that the day of the Lord has come.

  438. Don't believe it.

  439. And so he's giving them instructions

  440. on like,

  441. you got to test these documents, people.

  442. Now, this process of gathering

  443. and evaluating and verifying

  444. the documents,

  445. documents is apostolic.

  446. This took some time.

  447. This is in part because

  448. the Christian church expanded so rapidly

  449. over many thousands of miles

  450. that it was often difficult

  451. to communicate with one another.

  452. It's easy when you're all hanging out

  453. in Greece and Macedonia,

  454. like these three churches

  455. you see on the screen.

  456. But by 200 AD,

  457. the Christian church

  458. had spread to Spain,

  459. to Northwest Africa,

  460. to Great Britain,

  461. to France,

  462. to Germany,

  463. to Asia Minor,

  464. and Greece,

  465. and to Egypt,

  466. to what we start calling

  467. Mesopotamia,

  468. the Middle East,

  469. to Persia,

  470. even into Central Asia,

  471. Nubia,

  472. Ethiopia,

  473. all the way to Western China,

  474. and even Northwest India

  475. by 200 AD.

  476. And so,

  477. it took quite some time

  478. for these apostolic documents

  479. to be distributed

  480. and translated

  481. into all these various languages.

  482. Remember,

  483. there was no email,

  484. no printing press,

  485. no typewriter,

  486. things like that.

  487. So,

  488. things did take a bit of time.

  489. But,

  490. what we can say

  491. is that the early churches

  492. had broad agreement

  493. on the contents

  494. of the New Testament,

  495. and though it took some time

  496. for things

  497. to settle down,

  498. they eventually did arrive

  499. on complete agreement

  500. about what the New Testament

  501. would look like.

  502. And if you're curious,

  503. we can observe

  504. this agreement

  505. emerging for ourselves.

  506. if we can go back

  507. and canvas

  508. early Christian writings

  509. in the 2nd through 3rd centuries

  510. and see these discussions

  511. over the New Testament

  512. taking place

  513. and watch this general agreement

  514. arise for ourselves.

  515. So,

  516. just like how we went back

  517. to 45 AD

  518. to check out

  519. the Church of Corinth,

  520. we can go to 175 AD

  521. and start canvassing

  522. Christian documents

  523. to see what their New Testament

  524. was like

  525. and see what their New Testament

  526. included.

  527. So,

  528. for instance,

  529. in 175 AD,

  530. there's a document

  531. called the Muratorian Fragment.

  532. It's from Rome

  533. and it contains

  534. a discussion

  535. of the New Testament,

  536. of what their New Testament is.

  537. Now,

  538. unfortunately,

  539. this document

  540. is very old

  541. and we're missing

  542. the beginning of it

  543. and probably the end of it.

  544. So,

  545. it's not a complete

  546. discussion

  547. of the New Testament.

  548. In fact,

  549. it begins

  550. with this half-broken sentence

  551. and then says,

  552. the third gospel

  553. is Luke.

  554. Well,

  555. if you,

  556. so we know they had,

  557. we know they had

  558. two other ones.

  559. Then they have Luke

  560. and then they talk about John.

  561. So,

  562. we know there were four gospels.

  563. There was Luke,

  564. there was John

  565. and then the little

  566. half sentence

  567. really implies its mark.

  568. It doesn't have the name mark

  569. in it,

  570. but what it's talking about

  571. really implies mark.

  572. So,

  573. anyway,

  574. if we go through this document,

  575. we can chart out

  576. what their New Testament

  577. looked like

  578. and I have this

  579. on the screen here.

  580. I know this is small font,

  581. but I wanted to get

  582. the whole New Testament

  583. on here.

  584. On the left-hand side,

  585. you see a list

  586. of New Testament books

  587. in canonical order

  588. from Matthew down to Revelation

  589. and then in the second column,

  590. it's a chart

  591. of the Muratorian fragment

  592. and what documents

  593. this fragment includes

  594. as part of its New Testament

  595. and if it has the letter C

  596. in one of its rows,

  597. that means there's a direct

  598. citation of this document

  599. and you'll notice some things.

  600. First of all,

  601. they have a large chunk

  602. of our New Testament.

  603. Now,

  604. like I said,

  605. it's missing the beginning,

  606. but it's reasonable to think

  607. that they had Matthew and Mark.

  608. We can't be 100% sure,

  609. but they certainly had Luke,

  610. John,

  611. Acts,

  612. and the letters of Paul.

  613. They had 1st and 2nd John.

  614. They have Jude and Revelation.

  615. You'll notice that

  616. I've got some question marks here

  617. on 1st and 2nd Peter

  618. and we don't have anything

  619. for Hebrews and James.

  620. This is because

  621. these documents

  622. are not mentioned,

  623. but remember,

  624. we're missing

  625. the whole document.

  626. So we don't have

  627. the whole list.

  628. We have part of the list

  629. and the document

  630. doesn't talk about

  631. the New Testament books

  632. in the same order

  633. that we have them today.

  634. For instance,

  635. it talks about 1st John

  636. with the Gospel of John.

  637. So there's a chance

  638. and I think a fairly

  639. reasonable one

  640. that it talked about

  641. 1st Peter,

  642. maybe 2nd Peter

  643. when it was speaking

  644. about Mark

  645. because Mark

  646. was the interpreter

  647. of Peter

  648. and recorded Peter's statements.

  649. Same with Hebrews and James.

  650. Matthew is the Gospel

  651. that's often written.

  652. It's thought of

  653. as a Jewish Gospel.

  654. It's written for the Jews

  655. and Hebrews and James

  656. are the two letters

  657. that are written

  658. to Jews specifically.

  659. So it's possible

  660. that when it spoke

  661. about Matthew,

  662. it was also speaking

  663. about Hebrews and James.

  664. We're not sure.

  665. I have a question mark

  666. by 3rd John.

  667. That's because

  668. there's some ambiguity.

  669. It mentions multiple letters

  670. of John

  671. but it doesn't say

  672. how many.

  673. So is it 2?

  674. Is it 3?

  675. We don't really know.

  676. But what you can see

  677. is that this New Testament,

  678. the core of the New Testament

  679. of this community

  680. is exactly the same

  681. as ours

  682. and if we had

  683. the whole list,

  684. it might have been

  685. exactly the same.

  686. We don't know.

  687. There may be

  688. some extraneous

  689. minor differences

  690. but we're not sure.

  691. So we just peeked in

  692. one church

  693. around 175 in Rome

  694. but we can keep doing this.

  695. We can do this

  696. for 185

  697. with a theologian

  698. named Irenaeus.

  699. He wrote this wonderful

  700. book of theology.

  701. It's actually

  702. the first

  703. comprehensive theology,

  704. a book of theology

  705. that we have

  706. from a Christian

  707. and he's writing

  708. in France

  709. in 185

  710. and we can go through

  711. this book of theology

  712. and just see

  713. what does he cite

  714. from the New Testament

  715. and try and come up

  716. with what his New Testament

  717. looked like.

  718. So we have this list

  719. from the Muratorian fragment

  720. and we can add this one

  721. from Irenaeus

  722. and we'll see that

  723. he's got Matthew, Mark, Luke,

  724. John, Acts, Romans,

  725. all the letters of Paul

  726. except he doesn't mention

  727. Philemon.

  728. He also has 1 and 2 John,

  729. 1 Peter, Revelation.

  730. You'll notice though,

  731. like I said,

  732. he doesn't mention Philemon,

  733. he doesn't mention 3 John,

  734. he doesn't mention Jude

  735. but remember that Irenaeus

  736. is not giving us

  737. a list of New Testament books.

  738. He's just writing

  739. a work of theology,

  740. citing the New Testament

  741. whenever it's relevant

  742. and you'll notice something

  743. about Philemon

  744. and 3 John and Jude

  745. is they're really,

  746. really tiny.

  747. They're only a paragraph

  748. or two long

  749. and you've got to write

  750. a lot of theology

  751. before you have

  752. an opportunity

  753. to mention these books.

  754. So it's not that

  755. we think these were

  756. out of his New Testament,

  757. they very well could have been

  758. in his New Testament,

  759. we just don't know.

  760. He didn't happen

  761. to cite them in this book.

  762. I've got a question mark

  763. with Hebrews.

  764. He definitely knows Hebrews

  765. but we're not sure

  766. if he included it

  767. in his New Testament

  768. or not

  769. but we know he's aware of it.

  770. I have a question mark

  771. with James and 2 Peter

  772. and that's because

  773. he seems to quote them

  774. but it's not certain.

  775. You know,

  776. sometimes people will just

  777. take a lot of language

  778. from a New Testament book

  779. but not say,

  780. oh, this is from James

  781. and that seems to be

  782. like he's doing

  783. what he's doing

  784. but we're not totally sure.

  785. Nevertheless,

  786. his New Testament

  787. looks an awful lot

  788. like ours.

  789. Maybe if we could have

  790. had him make a list

  791. it would have been

  792. exactly like ours.

  793. We just don't know.

  794. Also,

  795. Irenaeus is very clear.

  796. He says elsewhere

  797. that there are only

  798. four Gospels.

  799. He also says

  800. that New Testament documents

  801. need to come

  802. from the Apostles

  803. and be written

  804. under their supervision.

  805. So he gives us

  806. kind of this broad outline

  807. of what the New Testament

  808. should contain.

  809. But let's keep going.

  810. We can do this same project

  811. with a theologian

  812. named Tertullian

  813. in 200 A.D.

  814. in Northwest Africa

  815. writing in Latin.

  816. So we're on another continent now

  817. and his New Testament

  818. is very similar.

  819. Now remember,

  820. Tertullian,

  821. he's not giving us a list.

  822. He's just writing

  823. some theology

  824. but he's got

  825. most of

  826. what our New Testament

  827. has today.

  828. He has 1 Peter,

  829. he has 1 John,

  830. he has Jude,

  831. he does mention Jude,

  832. he mentions Revelation.

  833. He is missing

  834. some things

  835. like James

  836. and 2 Peter,

  837. 2 and 3 John

  838. but again,

  839. we don't know

  840. if those were omitted

  841. or if he just

  842. never had reason

  843. to quote from them.

  844. We can't be sure.

  845. Let's keep going.

  846. We'll go to

  847. same time frame,

  848. 200 A.D.

  849. in Egypt,

  850. a guy named Clement

  851. of Alexandria,

  852. another theologian.

  853. So this is thousands

  854. of miles away

  855. from Tertullian

  856. writing in a different language.

  857. What does he have?

  858. Well,

  859. if we add him,

  860. we see that he quotes

  861. from all 27 books

  862. of the New Testament

  863. and we see this again

  864. around 200,

  865. 230 A.D.

  866. This is when

  867. the old Latin translation

  868. of the Bible

  869. was commissioned.

  870. We're not entirely sure

  871. of the date.

  872. I said 230

  873. to be conservative.

  874. It could easily

  875. be earlier than that.

  876. It could easily be 200

  877. or 180 or something.

  878. But this was,

  879. as far as we know,

  880. the first full-scale

  881. translation

  882. of the New Testament

  883. into another language.

  884. There certainly

  885. were smaller

  886. translations beforehand.

  887. You know,

  888. someone takes

  889. a quick letter

  890. and makes a translation

  891. of it.

  892. This seems to be

  893. the first full-scale

  894. one that we're aware of.

  895. And scholars

  896. have to do a lot of work

  897. to try and piece together

  898. what was included

  899. in this full-scale

  900. translation.

  901. And it seems

  902. like the Old Latin

  903. included all 27 books

  904. of the New Testament

  905. around 230 A.D.

  906. We've got one more guy

  907. we're going to check out.

  908. This is further east

  909. in Caesarea Palestine,

  910. a theologian named

  911. Origen in 245.

  912. Origen gives us

  913. the first complete list

  914. of New Testament books.

  915. Remember,

  916. we did have a list

  917. in the Muratorian fragment

  918. in 175,

  919. but it wasn't complete.

  920. We're missing part of it.

  921. Origen gives us

  922. the first list.

  923. And if you look

  924. at his list,

  925. his list includes

  926. all 27 books

  927. that we have

  928. in our New Testament.

  929. Now,

  930. some scholars debate

  931. if this list

  932. has been properly preserved,

  933. but what we can say

  934. for certain

  935. is that

  936. if we go manually

  937. through Origen's writings,

  938. he does mention

  939. all 27 books

  940. of the New Testament.

  941. So even if his list

  942. has been

  943. not preserved properly,

  944. we do know

  945. he was aware

  946. of all 27 books

  947. in the New Testament.

  948. So,

  949. all of those

  950. were in Latin

  951. or Greek.

  952. So,

  953. Irenaeus

  954. is writing in France,

  955. he's writing in Greek,

  956. Tertullian

  957. is writing in Latin,

  958. Clement is Greek,

  959. the Old Latin Bible

  960. is Latin,

  961. Origen is Greek,

  962. and the Muratorian fragment,

  963. it's in Latin.

  964. Some people think

  965. it was originally Greek

  966. and it was translated,

  967. but we only have it

  968. in Latin today.

  969. Were there any

  970. additional books

  971. that they mentioned?

  972. Oh,

  973. great.

  974. Yes,

  975. I'm going to be getting

  976. to that in a little bit.

  977. Yes,

  978. yes,

  979. yes,

  980. there were.

  981. And we'll talk about that

  982. in just a moment.

  983. Amos.

  984. I have a question.

  985. Are there,

  986. like,

  987. comparable lists

  988. from outside

  989. the Roman Empire?

  990. Not yet.

  991. Not yet at this point.

  992. Outside the Roman Empire.

  993. Now,

  994. remember,

  995. Christianity is still,

  996. at this point,

  997. a persecuted group.

  998. And so,

  999. there is no political authority

  1000. to control the Bible.

  1001. So,

  1002. this is well before

  1003. Christianity came to power

  1004. in the Roman Empire.

  1005. So,

  1006. these are all happening

  1007. somewhat independently

  1008. of one another.

  1009. And in fact,

  1010. Tertullian,

  1011. he ended up separating

  1012. from the Roman Church

  1013. over a matter

  1014. of doctrine.

  1015. Not a core

  1016. theological doctrine,

  1017. but he separated.

  1018. So,

  1019. some of these,

  1020. some of these people

  1021. are not even part

  1022. of necessarily

  1023. the same Christian community,

  1024. even though

  1025. they all have

  1026. the same statement of faith.

  1027. I mean,

  1028. we would,

  1029. if we read his confession

  1030. of faith with these others,

  1031. we would agree with them all.

  1032. Does that help?

  1033. So,

  1034. at this point,

  1035. we don't have a list

  1036. outside of the Roman Empire

  1037. yet.

  1038. So,

  1039. we could keep doing this

  1040. over decades and centuries.

  1041. And like I said,

  1042. we would eventually see

  1043. all the ancient churches

  1044. clustering

  1045. around 27 documents

  1046. that we have today

  1047. in our New Testament.

  1048. And,

  1049. like I said,

  1050. there's two remarkable

  1051. things about this.

  1052. One is that

  1053. there was very early

  1054. agreement

  1055. within the contents

  1056. of the New Testament,

  1057. as you can see

  1058. on the screen.

  1059. Secondly,

  1060. is like I said,

  1061. eventually all the churches

  1062. with ancient roots

  1063. came to agree

  1064. on this 27-book New Testament.

  1065. It did take

  1066. a long time

  1067. in some places,

  1068. particularly the places

  1069. that were farther flung

  1070. from where the original

  1071. locations of these documents

  1072. were written.

  1073. But,

  1074. eventually,

  1075. they all ended up agreeing.

  1076. So,

  1077. to sum up,

  1078. the

  1079. assembly of the New Testament,

  1080. this New Testament

  1081. did not fall out of heaven.

  1082. There was no conspiracy theory.

  1083. There was no single

  1084. ecumenical council.

  1085. There really was actually

  1086. no single uniting factor

  1087. other than the Holy Spirit.

  1088. And,

  1089. the Holy Spirit

  1090. guided the apostles

  1091. to write the New Testament

  1092. and to begin assembling it.

  1093. And then,

  1094. their later churches

  1095. they left behind,

  1096. independently of one another,

  1097. somewhat,

  1098. investigated and tested

  1099. which documents

  1100. were apostolic.

  1101. And,

  1102. eventually,

  1103. everyone arrived

  1104. at the same 27-book New Testament,

  1105. even if it took

  1106. a long time

  1107. in some places.

  1108. So,

  1109. some of you might still

  1110. have some questions.

  1111. Like,

  1112. what New Testament books

  1113. were controversial?

  1114. Was there any books

  1115. in the New Testament today

  1116. that the ancient church

  1117. maybe was a little

  1118. uncomfortable about?

  1119. Well,

  1120. we could make a list of these

  1121. and I've done that for you.

  1122. And,

  1123. these are the books

  1124. that when you go back

  1125. and you read

  1126. the early debates,

  1127. these are the books

  1128. that are in our New Testament today

  1129. that sometimes you'll find

  1130. an ancient Christian

  1131. disagreed with.

  1132. And,

  1133. I'm going to address

  1134. each of these in turn.

  1135. So,

  1136. Hebrews.

  1137. Hebrews was suspicious

  1138. in the Latin church

  1139. for a little bit.

  1140. It was not suspicious

  1141. in the Greek church.

  1142. But,

  1143. in the Latin church it was

  1144. and it was because

  1145. it was anonymous.

  1146. They wanted to make sure

  1147. that this was written

  1148. under apostolic authority

  1149. and so,

  1150. some of them

  1151. were a little suspicious

  1152. of it.

  1153. Interestingly,

  1154. Hebrews actually has

  1155. some of the earliest

  1156. attestation

  1157. of any

  1158. New Testament document.

  1159. There's a Christian

  1160. writing in 96 A.D.

  1161. who is aware

  1162. of the letter

  1163. of Hebrews.

  1164. So,

  1165. it has very early

  1166. attestation.

  1167. I'm actually encouraged

  1168. that the early church

  1169. took authorship

  1170. so seriously

  1171. that they didn't just

  1172. want to throw everything

  1173. in just because

  1174. they liked it.

  1175. James also

  1176. took some time.

  1177. Now,

  1178. there's a good reason

  1179. for this.

  1180. If you read

  1181. James,

  1182. it's addressed

  1183. to the 12 tribes

  1184. of Israel,

  1185. to the Jews.

  1186. And the evidence

  1187. we have from

  1188. the early church

  1189. is almost entirely

  1190. from Gentile churches.

  1191. The Romans,

  1192. the Greeks,

  1193. the Egyptians,

  1194. the Northwest Africans.

  1195. And so,

  1196. in other words,

  1197. this letter

  1198. wasn't actually

  1199. written to them

  1200. initially.

  1201. And it makes sense

  1202. that it would just

  1203. take some time

  1204. to percolate

  1205. and for them

  1206. to come

  1207. to accept it.

  1208. The next letters,

  1209. 2 Peter,

  1210. 2 John,

  1211. 3 John,

  1212. Jude,

  1213. they all share

  1214. the characteristic

  1215. of being pretty short.

  1216. They're very short.

  1217. And so,

  1218. some of,

  1219. like that guy

  1220. I mentioned,

  1221. Eusebius,

  1222. who's writing

  1223. around the year 300,

  1224. he's investigating

  1225. these things

  1226. and he reports,

  1227. he's like,

  1228. you know,

  1229. 2 Peter,

  1230. 2 John,

  1231. 3 John,

  1232. Jude,

  1233. they're not mentioned

  1234. a whole lot

  1235. in the super ancient

  1236. Christian writings

  1237. and we saw that

  1238. in our chart.

  1239. And the reason why

  1240. may simply have just been

  1241. that they were just

  1242. so short.

  1243. You've got to listen

  1244. to a lot of sermons,

  1245. you've got to read

  1246. a lot of theology

  1247. before you find citations

  1248. of 3 John

  1249. and 2 John

  1250. and Jude.

  1251. And we actually

  1252. can test this

  1253. if we look at

  1254. Augustine's writings,

  1255. Augustine,

  1256. St. Augustine,

  1257. he's writing around

  1258. the year 400.

  1259. We know what his

  1260. New Testament contained

  1261. because he tells us,

  1262. he gives us a list.

  1263. He also attended

  1264. a council that he headed

  1265. that also issued a list.

  1266. He has a 27 book

  1267. New Testament.

  1268. Augustine wrote

  1269. 5 million words.

  1270. He wrote an enormous amount.

  1271. It's the equivalent

  1272. of writing a 300 page book

  1273. every year for 40 years.

  1274. And if you go through

  1275. his 5 million writings,

  1276. you find that he only quotes

  1277. from 2 and 3 John

  1278. like once or twice,

  1279. which means he's only

  1280. quoting from them,

  1281. you know,

  1282. once every one or 2 million

  1283. words that he writes.

  1284. That's a lot of words.

  1285. And in the early church,

  1286. we don't even have

  1287. 5 million words

  1288. from the early church

  1289. when you combine it

  1290. all together.

  1291. So there's good reasons

  1292. why these smaller documents

  1293. may not have come up

  1294. as much.

  1295. The last one,

  1296. Revelation,

  1297. the last one

  1298. was actually

  1299. not controversial

  1300. in the early church.

  1301. The early church

  1302. universally accepted this.

  1303. It is quoted constantly

  1304. in Latin and in Greek

  1305. from the very beginning

  1306. of the 2nd century

  1307. and all throughout

  1308. the 3rd century.

  1309. The problem with Revelation

  1310. is that in the 4th

  1311. and 5th century,

  1312. some Christians,

  1313. it kind of fell out of favor

  1314. to be honest.

  1315. And some Christians

  1316. started removing it

  1317. from their New Testament.

  1318. So it wasn't controversial

  1319. in the early church.

  1320. In the later church,

  1321. it was controversial

  1322. in certain churches,

  1323. but then eventually

  1324. came back in.

  1325. So those were the books

  1326. that are in our New Testament

  1327. today that met

  1328. with some controversy

  1329. at some points.

  1330. But what about books

  1331. that almost made it

  1332. into the Bible

  1333. but didn't?

  1334. What about those?

  1335. I'm interested in those.

  1336. Well, I guess in a way,

  1337. I would say there's actually

  1338. no book that almost made it in

  1339. but didn't.

  1340. There were some books, though,

  1341. that some people thought

  1342. should be in at some point,

  1343. but many people didn't.

  1344. And so in other words,

  1345. there are some texts

  1346. that some early Christian churches

  1347. included,

  1348. but I would not say

  1349. most of them did.

  1350. It was not like they almost

  1351. made it in but didn't.

  1352. It's just that maybe

  1353. there'd be some churches

  1354. that were reading this,

  1355. but most weren't.

  1356. And here they are.

  1357. These are books like this,

  1358. The Epistle of Barnabas.

  1359. I'm going to talk about

  1360. each one of these in turn.

  1361. First Clement.

  1362. It's a letter

  1363. by a guy named Clement.

  1364. A book called

  1365. The Shepherd of Hermas.

  1366. A document called

  1367. The Gospel of the Hebrews.

  1368. And another document

  1369. called The Dietessaron.

  1370. Now you're looking

  1371. at the Epistle of Barnabas

  1372. and you're like,

  1373. I've heard that guy before.

  1374. And that's because

  1375. Barnabas is in the Bible.

  1376. He's one of the early

  1377. followers of the apostles.

  1378. He's called an apostle

  1379. sometimes.

  1380. And this letter,

  1381. it's a long letter.

  1382. It's an early Christian letter.

  1383. It probably comes

  1384. from the year 100 or 120.

  1385. But it's not by Barnabas.

  1386. It doesn't claim

  1387. to be by Barnabas either.

  1388. But later Christians,

  1389. some of them said

  1390. he wrote it

  1391. and some Christians,

  1392. a minority,

  1393. included it

  1394. within their New Testament.

  1395. But scholars are united today

  1396. that Barnabas did not write this.

  1397. It's not.

  1398. It's post-70 AD,

  1399. probably 100, 120 AD.

  1400. And it's not from Barnabas.

  1401. First Clement is another one.

  1402. This is a letter of Clement.

  1403. I mentioned it earlier

  1404. where Clement mentions Hebrews

  1405. and Clement wrote

  1406. around 95 AD.

  1407. And Clement was a disciple

  1408. of the apostles.

  1409. He was a priest in Rome.

  1410. He writes a letter

  1411. to the Corinthians.

  1412. It's like a kind of a sequel

  1413. to 1st and 2nd Corinthians.

  1414. He writes a letter to them.

  1415. And some Christians

  1416. had his letter

  1417. in their New Testament.

  1418. They're like,

  1419. you know,

  1420. he was a disciple

  1421. of the apostles.

  1422. Mark and Luke

  1423. were disciples of the apostles.

  1424. It's a pretty good letter too.

  1425. I like it.

  1426. It's a good thing though

  1427. that it's not

  1428. in the New Testament.

  1429. And that's because

  1430. it was not written

  1431. with apostolic oversight.

  1432. It was written

  1433. after the apostles

  1434. had passed away.

  1435. And by the way,

  1436. Clement is not writing this

  1437. as claiming it's scripture.

  1438. He's just writing

  1439. a letter to the Corinthians.

  1440. And the Corinthians

  1441. really liked it.

  1442. They, for instance,

  1443. seemed to have read it

  1444. in their church services

  1445. publicly for decades afterwards.

  1446. But there were

  1447. a few other communities

  1448. that included it

  1449. in their New Testament,

  1450. but most didn't.

  1451. Shepherd of Hermas.

  1452. This is a weird one, guys.

  1453. It's a weird one.

  1454. There's a scholar

  1455. who talks about,

  1456. there's a few churches

  1457. who would read this publicly

  1458. and there's a scholar

  1459. who said that he pitied them,

  1460. that they had to listen to this.

  1461. This is probably

  1462. from the year like 150 AD.

  1463. We still have it.

  1464. You can read it.

  1465. It's probably written

  1466. around the year 150.

  1467. For some reason,

  1468. it really caught on

  1469. in some churches.

  1470. And for instance,

  1471. Irenaeus,

  1472. whom,

  1473. whom,

  1474. let's see,

  1475. do I have a church?

  1476. Yeah.

  1477. Irenaeus,

  1478. he liked it.

  1479. He quotes from it.

  1480. He might have even included it

  1481. in his Bible.

  1482. However,

  1483. the Muratorian fragment

  1484. and Tertullian

  1485. both mention it

  1486. and they both say,

  1487. no, no, no, no, no.

  1488. No, this is not part

  1489. of the New Testament.

  1490. And it eventually,

  1491. it fell out.

  1492. Gospel of Hebrews.

  1493. Yes,

  1494. Gospel of Hebrews

  1495. was included

  1496. by some Christians.

  1497. Don't let that alarm you.

  1498. The Gospel of Hebrews

  1499. seems to be just

  1500. a Hebrew version

  1501. of the Gospel of Matthew.

  1502. Remember I said

  1503. that Matthew was written

  1504. for the Jews

  1505. and it seems to be

  1506. a Hebrew version of Matthew

  1507. that for whatever reason

  1508. had some changes

  1509. here and there.

  1510. So like the man

  1511. with the withered hand,

  1512. the story of Jesus healing

  1513. the man with the withered hand,

  1514. it gives his name,

  1515. for instance,

  1516. or at least tells his trade.

  1517. I can't remember

  1518. if it's both.

  1519. But little changes

  1520. like that.

  1521. So sometimes,

  1522. so it seems to have been

  1523. some version of Matthew,

  1524. not all that different.

  1525. The last one

  1526. was the Diatessalon.

  1527. This was a huge account

  1528. of Jesus' life.

  1529. Some of the Eastern churches

  1530. had this in their New Testament.

  1531. But the Diatessalon,

  1532. it means through four.

  1533. And what that was,

  1534. was just the four Gospels,

  1535. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John,

  1536. knit together

  1537. into a single narrative.

  1538. So instead of the four

  1539. separated Gospels,

  1540. they had this one Gospel

  1541. where a man named Tation

  1542. took the four Gospels

  1543. and put them all together.

  1544. So in a way,

  1545. it's different

  1546. from what we have today.

  1547. But in another way,

  1548. it's like really similar.

  1549. It's not this far off,

  1550. outlandish kind of thing

  1551. that gives a completely

  1552. different picture of Jesus.

  1553. Does that make sense?

  1554. Okay, so those were

  1555. the books that,

  1556. you know,

  1557. some Christians considered

  1558. as authoritative,

  1559. others didn't.

  1560. Here's another question.

  1561. How long until the 27 Book New Testament

  1562. was universally accepted?

  1563. How long did it take

  1564. for the 27 Book New Testament

  1565. to become universally accepted?

  1566. Well, as I've showed,

  1567. we do start having churches

  1568. embracing a 27 Book New Testament

  1569. very early on.

  1570. And even in the earlier stages,

  1571. it may have happened.

  1572. Remember,

  1573. we can't be sure

  1574. that this is the complete

  1575. New Testament

  1576. of these earlier churches

  1577. represented by the

  1578. Muratorian Fragment

  1579. or Irenaeus or Tertullian.

  1580. We know that in 245,

  1581. there were churches

  1582. that seemed to have

  1583. a 27 Book New Testament.

  1584. There were many.

  1585. But how long did this take

  1586. to become universally accepted?

  1587. Well, the answer to this

  1588. is complicated.

  1589. And it depends on what area

  1590. of the world,

  1591. the Christian world

  1592. you're talking about.

  1593. So for instance,

  1594. in Rome,

  1595. the 27 Book New Testament

  1596. seems to have been embraced

  1597. very early on in the 200s.

  1598. Same with Western Europe,

  1599. same with Northwest Africa,

  1600. same with Egypt.

  1601. We don't know a lot

  1602. about Cyprus,

  1603. but we do have a list

  1604. of New Testament books

  1605. from the mid to late 300s.

  1606. It's 27 books.

  1607. But then things are

  1608. a little different

  1609. in other parts of the world.

  1610. In Asia Minor

  1611. and in Palestine,

  1612. we do have some evidence

  1613. of 27 books,

  1614. but we also have evidence

  1615. that there were churches

  1616. that were uncomfortable

  1617. with the book of Revelation.

  1618. This is where we first

  1619. start seeing that discomfort.

  1620. And what's ironic

  1621. is that earlier

  1622. in the history

  1623. of these churches,

  1624. in the 100s and 200s,

  1625. they did accept Revelation.

  1626. But then it kind of

  1627. fell under suspicion.

  1628. So those churches

  1629. seem to have,

  1630. I guess,

  1631. what we'd call

  1632. like a 26 book

  1633. or 27 book New Testament.

  1634. It depended

  1635. what time you're talking about.

  1636. Sometimes they had Revelation

  1637. and sometimes they didn't.

  1638. Things get more diverse

  1639. as we go farther east,

  1640. especially when we start

  1641. getting to the area

  1642. of the Roman Empire

  1643. that's overlapping

  1644. with the Syriac church.

  1645. Syriac is a language

  1646. that was anciently spoken

  1647. around here

  1648. in what is today

  1649. Iraq and Syria.

  1650. They had what I guess

  1651. I would call

  1652. a smaller New Testament

  1653. in that those books

  1654. that I put up on the screen

  1655. that said they were controversial

  1656. like 2 John,

  1657. 3 John,

  1658. Jude,

  1659. they excluded those

  1660. from their New Testament

  1661. originally.

  1662. And they did that

  1663. for hundreds of years.

  1664. In around 500 AD,

  1665. they commissioned

  1666. a new translation

  1667. of the scriptures

  1668. into Syriac

  1669. that did have

  1670. all 27 books.

  1671. And then in 600 AD,

  1672. another translation

  1673. into Syriac

  1674. that also had

  1675. all 27 books.

  1676. But those translations

  1677. didn't totally catch on

  1678. for quite some time.

  1679. It took a very long time

  1680. for all the Syriac churches

  1681. to eventually embrace

  1682. this 27 book New Testament.

  1683. We could go to Armenia

  1684. and Georgia.

  1685. They follow kind of

  1686. a similar pattern,

  1687. although they're more quick

  1688. to get to the kind of

  1689. 26 slash 27 book New Testament.

  1690. Revelation took the longest here

  1691. in Armenia and Georgia.

  1692. We go farther

  1693. into Ethiopia,

  1694. into the Persian

  1695. and Parthian Empire.

  1696. And things start

  1697. taking longer.

  1698. And for instance,

  1699. this church here

  1700. took hundreds

  1701. and hundreds

  1702. and hundreds of years

  1703. to finally adopt

  1704. a 27 book New Testament.

  1705. Interestingly,

  1706. they were a great

  1707. missionary church

  1708. and they had

  1709. a large mission

  1710. in China.

  1711. and we have

  1712. an inscription

  1713. from this mission

  1714. in the 700s.

  1715. And they do have

  1716. a 27 book New Testament,

  1717. it looks like.

  1718. But for some reason,

  1719. this area

  1720. took a very long time.

  1721. So long

  1722. that it took

  1723. until basically

  1724. the printing press

  1725. for them

  1726. to finally

  1727. catch on to that.

  1728. And that may be true,

  1729. that seems to be true

  1730. in Georgia also,

  1731. the country of Georgia

  1732. which is up here.

  1733. But eventually,

  1734. they all came

  1735. to agree on this.

  1736. Okay.

  1737. So,

  1738. I have another question.

  1739. What about those

  1740. heretics I hear about

  1741. all the time?

  1742. What about them?

  1743. Well,

  1744. that's a great question.

  1745. Some of you hear

  1746. about heretical

  1747. early Christians

  1748. that have a very different,

  1749. they have other

  1750. New Testament documents

  1751. like the Gospel of Mary

  1752. and the Gospel of Truth

  1753. and the Gospel of Judas

  1754. and the Gospel of Philip

  1755. and the Gospel of so-and-so.

  1756. What about them?

  1757. What if they're right?

  1758. What if we're wrong?

  1759. That's important

  1760. for us to figure out.

  1761. And so,

  1762. what I want to do

  1763. is I want to examine

  1764. early Christian

  1765. heretical sects

  1766. to see what

  1767. their New Testament

  1768. contained

  1769. and see if it had

  1770. big differences

  1771. and maybe

  1772. and if those differences

  1773. are important

  1774. and if they are,

  1775. are they right?

  1776. Are these other

  1777. heretical Christian groups

  1778. right and we're wrong?

  1779. This is important

  1780. to figure out.

  1781. So,

  1782. what we're going to do

  1783. is we're going to examine

  1784. some early Christian

  1785. heretical sects

  1786. to see what their

  1787. New Testament contained

  1788. and while we're doing that,

  1789. we're also going to figure out

  1790. on our own

  1791. which writings

  1792. we think

  1793. come from

  1794. an apostle

  1795. because

  1796. what if the early church

  1797. was wrong?

  1798. What if they made a mistake?

  1799. So,

  1800. we're going to try

  1801. and do this

  1802. for ourselves.

  1803. We're going to go

  1804. through some heretical

  1805. writings,

  1806. look at them

  1807. and then we're going

  1808. to come up

  1809. with the 27

  1810. or whatever number

  1811. it is,

  1812. books in a New Testament

  1813. that come from

  1814. an apostle.

  1815. So,

  1816. let's do this.

  1817. First thing to know

  1818. about some,

  1819. about early Christian heretics

  1820. is that

  1821. early Christian heretical sects,

  1822. they made up

  1823. a small minority

  1824. of Christians.

  1825. The majority of Christians

  1826. in the early centuries

  1827. followed

  1828. the mainstream church

  1829. and this church

  1830. spanned thousands of miles,

  1831. dozens of cultures,

  1832. many languages

  1833. and it was directly linked

  1834. to the apostles.

  1835. So,

  1836. there's good reasons

  1837. why we want to trust

  1838. those people

  1839. instead of the other folks.

  1840. But,

  1841. let's,

  1842. for sake of argument,

  1843. let's just look at

  1844. what the heretics

  1845. believed about

  1846. the New Testament

  1847. and see what

  1848. their New Testament

  1849. looked like.

  1850. So,

  1851. the most prevalent

  1852. heretical sects

  1853. in the ancient church

  1854. were as follows.

  1855. You have the Montanists

  1856. who were largely

  1857. in Asia Minor,

  1858. the Novationists

  1859. in Italy,

  1860. the Donatists

  1861. in northwest Africa

  1862. and then the Arians

  1863. who were all over

  1864. but they were largely

  1865. in Germany

  1866. and in Egypt.

  1867. And when you look

  1868. at these heretical groups,

  1869. we have writings

  1870. preserved

  1871. from all of these

  1872. and when you look

  1873. at them

  1874. and you try

  1875. and see

  1876. what their New Testament

  1877. looked like,

  1878. you'll discover

  1879. that they accepted

  1880. the very same

  1881. New Testament

  1882. that the mainstream

  1883. church did.

  1884. Their debates

  1885. with the mainstream

  1886. church had nothing

  1887. to do with

  1888. what scriptures

  1889. were accepted

  1890. and had everything

  1891. to do with

  1892. how to interpret

  1893. the scriptures.

  1894. And in fact,

  1895. several of these groups,

  1896. the Montanists,

  1897. the Novationists,

  1898. and the Donatists

  1899. actually had this

  1900. same confession

  1901. of faith.

  1902. Their split

  1903. from the church

  1904. wasn't really

  1905. even theological.

  1906. It was more

  1907. practical

  1908. or praxis related.

  1909. They didn't want

  1910. to be,

  1911. the Novationists

  1912. and the Donatists

  1913. didn't want

  1914. to be associated

  1915. with an official

  1916. church in Rome

  1917. and the Montanists

  1918. had a very high

  1919. regard for the

  1920. current inspiration

  1921. of the Holy Spirit.

  1922. They're like

  1923. modern Pentecostals

  1924. today,

  1925. a very extreme

  1926. form of Pentecostalism

  1927. and the mainstream

  1928. church thought

  1929. they went too far

  1930. but they're preaching

  1931. the same core doctrines

  1932. as the church.

  1933. Question?

  1934. Cathars,

  1935. when did they go?

  1936. Oh, the Cathars,

  1937. they're much later.

  1938. They're like 1100,

  1939. 1200.

  1940. Yeah,

  1941. they're much later.

  1942. Unless,

  1943. unless they're,

  1944. some people argue

  1945. there could be

  1946. some kind of

  1947. ancient link

  1948. with the Donatists

  1949. and the Novationists

  1950. but they're much later.

  1951. So, okay,

  1952. but what about

  1953. those heretics

  1954. that had a different

  1955. New Testament?

  1956. Well,

  1957. the group that was

  1958. the largest

  1959. that had a different

  1960. New Testament

  1961. is called the Marcionites.

  1962. They were founded

  1963. by a man named Marcion

  1964. around the year 140.

  1965. Their Bible was

  1966. very different

  1967. from our Bible

  1968. and the reason why

  1969. their Bible

  1970. was very different

  1971. was because

  1972. they rejected

  1973. every biblical writing

  1974. that was Jewish

  1975. and,

  1976. if you think about it,

  1977. that's almost everything.

  1978. So,

  1979. they rejected

  1980. the entire

  1981. Old Testament.

  1982. They rejected

  1983. almost the entire

  1984. New Testament

  1985. because these books

  1986. were written by Jews

  1987. and for Jews.

  1988. The only books

  1989. they accepted

  1990. was the Gospel of Luke

  1991. because Luke

  1992. was a Gentile

  1993. and they accepted

  1994. most of the letters

  1995. of Paul

  1996. because even though

  1997. Paul was Jewish,

  1998. he was the apostle

  1999. to the Gentiles.

  2000. But if you read Luke

  2001. and you read Paul's letters,

  2002. they're constantly quoting

  2003. from the Old Testament

  2004. in an approving way,

  2005. so they had to go through

  2006. and edit all those things out.

  2007. So,

  2008. these folks

  2009. don't seem

  2010. to be a particularly

  2011. reliable group

  2012. about what we should have

  2013. in our Bible.

  2014. If we know anything

  2015. about Jesus

  2016. and the apostles at all,

  2017. it was that

  2018. they were Jewish

  2019. and that they believed

  2020. in the Jewish Old Testament.

  2021. So,

  2022. why would we trust

  2023. a group that refuses

  2024. to acknowledge

  2025. one of the most

  2026. fundamental facts

  2027. of history

  2028. concerning Jesus

  2029. and the apostles?

  2030. But even worse than this

  2031. is that the Marcionites

  2032. also have an inherently

  2033. contradictory view.

  2034. They believed

  2035. that the God

  2036. of the Old Testament

  2037. in their words,

  2038. Yahweh,

  2039. was evil,

  2040. yet they worship Jesus

  2041. whose name means

  2042. Yahweh saves.

  2043. Yahweh is salvation.

  2044. So,

  2045. they're rejecting Yahweh

  2046. while worshiping someone

  2047. whose name confesses

  2048. that Yahweh is salvation.

  2049. So,

  2050. totally contradictory group.

  2051. So,

  2052. I think we can safely

  2053. dismiss the Marcionites

  2054. from having some kind of

  2055. more accurate Bible

  2056. than we have today.

  2057. There's another group

  2058. that had a different Bible.

  2059. These are the Ebionites.

  2060. This is a kind of

  2061. Jewish Christian group

  2062. and unlike the Marcionites,

  2063. they rejected writings

  2064. in the New Testament

  2065. that were too pro-Gentile.

  2066. So,

  2067. in other words,

  2068. they didn't like Luke,

  2069. they didn't,

  2070. especially Paul.

  2071. They did not like Paul

  2072. at all.

  2073. And so,

  2074. what we see here

  2075. with these two groups,

  2076. the Marcionites

  2077. and the Ebionites,

  2078. is that these actually

  2079. were kind of

  2080. race-based groups.

  2081. They had this kind of,

  2082. for lack of a better term,

  2083. this sort of racist

  2084. view of theology.

  2085. The Marcionites rejected

  2086. anything Jewish.

  2087. The Ebionites rejected

  2088. anything to do with Gentiles.

  2089. And if we know

  2090. the Old Testament,

  2091. right in Genesis chapter 12,

    Genesis 12 chapter mention

  2092. what does God say to Abraham?

  2093. That I will make your seed

  2094. a blessing

  2095. for all nations.

  2096. And that promised seed

  2097. is traced to the whole

  2098. Old Testament,

  2099. this promised seed

  2100. for all nations,

  2101. not just Jews.

  2102. And that promised seed

  2103. is Jesus.

  2104. Jesus is the Savior

  2105. of both Jews

  2106. and Gentiles.

  2107. So,

  2108. they don't really seem

  2109. to be a reliable

  2110. guide either.

  2111. But,

  2112. what about those Gnostics

  2113. we hear about?

  2114. That's the final group

  2115. I'm going to mention.

  2116. The Gnostics,

  2117. they had all sorts of

  2118. additional New Testament

  2119. documents.

  2120. They had things like

  2121. the Gospel of Thomas

  2122. and the Gospel of Peter

  2123. and the Gospel of Philip

  2124. and Mary and Judas

  2125. and Truth

  2126. and the Acts of John

  2127. and Paul and whoever.

  2128. And they had other documents

  2129. with crazy names

  2130. like Thunder,

  2131. the Perfect Mind,

  2132. which sounds kind of

  2133. like a video game title.

  2134. And they claimed

  2135. that these were written

  2136. by the apostles.

  2137. But,

  2138. what's interesting

  2139. is that the Gnostics

  2140. acknowledged

  2141. the New Testament

  2142. of the mainstream church.

  2143. They just added to it.

  2144. So,

  2145. they acknowledged

  2146. the mainstream New Testament

  2147. but then added

  2148. these other documents.

  2149. So,

  2150. what about

  2151. these Gnostic documents?

  2152. what if

  2153. they're accurate?

  2154. Like,

  2155. what if they really are

  2156. from the apostles?

  2157. Well,

  2158. we want to figure this out.

  2159. We want to figure out

  2160. if these other Gospels

  2161. by Thomas and Philip

  2162. and whoever

  2163. really do come

  2164. from the apostles

  2165. and if we should trust them.

  2166. Well,

  2167. we can do this

  2168. in a certain

  2169. ways.

  2170. One thing we can try

  2171. and do

  2172. is we can try

  2173. and verify

  2174. the historical contents

  2175. of these Gnostic Gospels

  2176. to see if they're accurate,

  2177. to see if they reflect

  2178. history as it happened.

  2179. And when we do this,

  2180. we see that

  2181. we cannot verify

  2182. the historical contents

  2183. of these

  2184. additional documents.

  2185. Not only that,

  2186. these documents

  2187. seem totally

  2188. disconnected

  2189. from Judaism.

  2190. They have a whole lot

  2191. more in common

  2192. with Greek philosophy

  2193. and Greek mythology

  2194. and Greek culture

  2195. and if there's anything

  2196. we know about Jesus

  2197. is that he was Jewish,

  2198. he lived in

  2199. first century Palestine,

  2200. he was a rabbi,

  2201. but these documents

  2202. have little to no knowledge

  2203. of that at all

  2204. and that is

  2205. in great contrast

  2206. to the four Gospels

  2207. which are embedded

  2208. in Jewish culture

  2209. and society

  2210. in first century Israel.

  2211. On top of that,

  2212. these Gnostic documents,

  2213. they contain all sorts

  2214. of ridiculous things.

  2215. Like,

  2216. one of them talks about

  2217. this giant walking cross

  2218. that comes out

  2219. of Jesus' tomb

  2220. and then starts

  2221. talking to people.

  2222. There's other documents

  2223. that talk about

  2224. the apostles

  2225. resurrecting fish

  2226. or taming bedbugs.

  2227. One of them

  2228. has Simon the Magician

  2229. flying around

  2230. in the air

  2231. mocking Peter

  2232. in some kind

  2233. of glorified wizard's duel

  2234. where people

  2235. are paying money

  2236. to watch

  2237. like it's a sporting event.

  2238. I'm not exaggerating.

  2239. It's crazy.

  2240. And,

  2241. in fact,

  2242. this stuff

  2243. totally lacks

  2244. verisimilitude,

  2245. historical veracity,

  2246. authenticity.

  2247. It strains credulity.

  2248. And all these factors

  2249. point to the idea

  2250. that these authors

  2251. were not embedded

  2252. in first century

  2253. Jewish life.

  2254. Instead,

  2255. they're being influenced

  2256. by later Greek philosophy

  2257. and Greek mythological

  2258. contours.

  2259. But this is not the case

  2260. with the 27 documents

  2261. of the New Testament.

  2262. These are anchored

  2263. in history.

  2264. They're steeped

  2265. in Jewish background.

  2266. And we can verify this

  2267. from many angles,

  2268. which we will do next

  2269. class, by the way.

  2270. But we have another reason

  2271. for rejecting

  2272. the Gnostic writings.

  2273. And this is because

  2274. none of them

  2275. can be reliably dated

  2276. to the first century.

  2277. Every single one of them

  2278. is most likely dated

  2279. to the second

  2280. or third centuries

  2281. or later.

  2282. None of them

  2283. can be placed

  2284. within a first century context.

  2285. Every once in a while,

  2286. you hear a scholar claim

  2287. the Gospel of Thomas

  2288. comes from the first century.

  2289. But if you look

  2290. at the evidence,

  2291. there's really no evidence

  2292. in favor of this.

  2293. There's a lot of evidence

  2294. against it.

  2295. But nevertheless,

  2296. all 27 documents

  2297. of the New Testament

  2298. can be dated

  2299. to the first century

  2300. with great certainty

  2301. or at least

  2302. a great amount

  2303. of plausibility.

  2304. And this gives us

  2305. our final reason

  2306. to reject

  2307. the Gnostic writings.

  2308. And it's that

  2309. none of these Gnostic writings

  2310. can be reliably attributed

  2311. to apostolic authorship

  2312. or apostolic oversight.

  2313. There is not

  2314. a single scholar

  2315. that I'm aware of

  2316. who actually believes

  2317. that the Gnostic writings

  2318. come from the apostles.

  2319. No one believes

  2320. Thomas actually wrote Thomas

  2321. or Judas actually wrote Judas

  2322. or Mary actually wrote

  2323. the Gospel of Mary.

  2324. And like I said,

  2325. it's not just

  2326. the early church

  2327. that gives us

  2328. evidence from this.

  2329. Even the ancient heretics

  2330. agree with this.

  2331. Those heretical groups

  2332. I showed you,

  2333. the Donatists,

  2334. the Novatians,

  2335. they all rejected

  2336. the Gnostic documents.

  2337. And if that's not enough

  2338. for you,

  2339. even ancient

  2340. non-Christian writers

  2341. agree with this.

  2342. There's an ancient

  2343. philosopher,

  2344. Porphyry.

  2345. He's not a Christian.

  2346. He actually hated Christians.

  2347. And he explicitly

  2348. accuses the Gnostics

  2349. of forging documents.

  2350. But when he turns

  2351. his attention

  2352. to attack

  2353. the mainstream church,

  2354. he seems to acknowledge

  2355. that their documents

  2356. did come from

  2357. the disciples of Jesus.

  2358. Now,

  2359. Porphyry doesn't believe

  2360. that the apostles

  2361. are being truthful.

  2362. He still rejects them,

  2363. but he's totally fine,

  2364. seemingly,

  2365. accepting that they actually

  2366. come from the disciples

  2367. of Jesus.

  2368. But for the Gnostics,

  2369. he mentions how

  2370. they were forging stuff

  2371. and things like that.

  2372. So we have multiple avenues

  2373. to verify this

  2374. about these Gnostic documents

  2375. that they do not

  2376. actually come from

  2377. the apostles.

  2378. So let me summarize.

  2379. None of the documents

  2380. that come from

  2381. the Gnostics

  2382. can be historically verified.

  2383. None of them

  2384. are connected

  2385. with Judaism.

  2386. None of them

  2387. can be reliably dated

  2388. to the first century.

  2389. Many of them

  2390. have ridiculous content.

  2391. None of them

  2392. can be reliably attributed

  2393. to apostolic authorship

  2394. or oversight.

  2395. And even ancient heretics

  2396. and non-Christian writers

  2397. agreed on this matter.

  2398. But the 27 books

  2399. of the New Testament,

  2400. they can be historically verified,

  2401. which we'll see in two weeks

  2402. when I'm with you again.

  2403. They can be reliably dated

  2404. to the first century.

  2405. They can be indexed back

  2406. to an apostle.

  2407. And they're the only documents

  2408. in existence

  2409. that can be linked

  2410. to an apostle.

  2411. And the ancient

  2412. mainstream church,

  2413. heretics,

  2414. and even non-Christians

  2415. agreed with this.

  2416. And these 27 books,

  2417. it also matches

  2418. the earliest complete

  2419. New Testament list

  2420. that we have

  2421. from Origin of Alexandria

  2422. in 245.

  2423. It matches the earliest

  2424. full-scale New Testament

  2425. translation,

  2426. the Old Latin,

  2427. that was made sometime

  2428. in the third century,

  2429. maybe as early as 200.

  2430. And like I said,

  2431. every church eventually

  2432. chose to put these

  2433. in their New Testaments.

  2434. Most of them did so

  2435. at a very early date.

  2436. Some of them did so

  2437. at a very late date.

  2438. So if we were going

  2439. to go and make

  2440. our own New Testament

  2441. that only had

  2442. apostolic documents,

  2443. we would choose

  2444. the same 27

  2445. that we find

  2446. in the New Testament

  2447. today.

  2448. All right.

  2449. But if you're like me,

  2450. you might be wanting

  2451. a bit more.

  2452. You might be wanting

  2453. more assurances,

  2454. more guarantees.

  2455. In fact,

  2456. why stop

  2457. with the apostles

  2458. and their writings?

  2459. I'll tell you

  2460. what I really wish

  2461. that we had

  2462. in our New Testament.

  2463. I would like to have

  2464. a letter directly

  2465. from Jesus himself

  2466. delivered by the apostles.

  2467. That's what I would

  2468. like to have

  2469. in my New Testament

  2470. and I'd like to know

  2471. why we don't have

  2472. it in there.

  2473. Well,

  2474. if you're wondering

  2475. about this,

  2476. then I invite you

  2477. to read the New Testament

  2478. for yourself

  2479. and you'll find

  2480. your answer.

  2481. Paul writes

  2482. to the Corinthians.

  2483. He says,

  2484. you are a letter

  2485. from Christ

  2486. delivered by us,

  2487. written not with ink,

  2488. but with the spirit

  2489. of the living God,

  2490. not on tablets of stone,

  2491. but on tablets

  2492. of the human heart.

  2493. So if you are looking

  2494. for a letter by Jesus,

  2495. we do have one.

  2496. It's a letter

  2497. from Jesus

  2498. delivered by the apostles,

  2499. but it's written

  2500. on something better

  2501. than paper

  2502. and with something better

  2503. than pen and ink.

  2504. It's written

  2505. on your heart

  2506. and it's written

  2507. by the spirit.

  2508. What a wonderful privilege

  2509. and gift

  2510. that this is.

  2511. A few verses later,

  2512. Paul explains something

  2513. truly profound

  2514. about this letter

  2515. and the nature

  2516. of this letter

  2517. and the nature

  2518. of the New Testament.

  2519. He writes this.

  2520. He says,

  2521. God has made us sufficient

  2522. to be ministers

  2523. of a new covenant,

  2524. not of the letter,

  2525. but of the spirit.

  2526. That phrase,

  2527. new covenant,

  2528. in Greek,

  2529. it's kine diatheke.

  2530. That can be translated

  2531. as New Testament,

  2532. synonymous terms.

  2533. God has made us sufficient

  2534. to be ministers

  2535. of a new testament,

  2536. not of the letter,

  2537. but of the spirit.

  2538. Paul here

  2539. is making a statement

  2540. about the very nature

  2541. of the New Testament.

  2542. He's saying

  2543. that it's not

  2544. limited

  2545. only

  2546. to what

  2547. is written

  2548. in pen and ink.

  2549. It also includes

  2550. what's written

  2551. by the spirit.

  2552. And all this points

  2553. to the fact

  2554. that the New Testament

  2555. is more than just pen and ink

  2556. and a bunch of words

  2557. on paper.

  2558. It's spiritual

  2559. and of the spirit.

  2560. And what this means

  2561. is that for you

  2562. to have a complete

  2563. New Testament,

  2564. you need more

  2565. than just the pen and ink

  2566. apostolic documents

  2567. and letters.

  2568. You also need

  2569. that spiritual letter

  2570. of Jesus Christ

  2571. written on the tablet

  2572. of your heart.

  2573. And if you're missing

  2574. that letter,

  2575. then you don't really

  2576. have the whole

  2577. New Testament.

  2578. But when you put

  2579. that spiritual letter

  2580. from Jesus

  2581. together with the

  2582. writings of the apostles,

  2583. then you do

  2584. have a complete

  2585. New Testament.

  2586. And these components

  2587. are like

  2588. self-authenticating

  2589. witnesses

  2590. that declare

  2591. the truthfulness

  2592. of one another.

  2593. I remember

  2594. when I was 18 years old

  2595. and I was tangled up

  2596. in my sins

  2597. and Jesus caught me up

  2598. and he cleaned me up

  2599. and he wrote me up

  2600. this living letter

  2601. on my heart

  2602. that just said,

  2603. forgiven.

  2604. And then the remarkable

  2605. thing for me

  2606. was that for the first

  2607. time in my life,

  2608. the scriptures

  2609. came alive for me.

  2610. I'd been going to church

  2611. every week for 18 years

  2612. but once Jesus

  2613. wrote that letter,

  2614. then every word

  2615. of scripture

  2616. had this new

  2617. and profound meaning

  2618. for me.

  2619. And you know,

  2620. this is similar

  2621. to the way

  2622. that the apostolic

  2623. documents in our

  2624. New Testament

  2625. were independently

  2626. gathered in various

  2627. churches throughout history.

  2628. People filled

  2629. with the Spirit of God

  2630. carrying that letter

  2631. of Jesus in their hearts.

  2632. They met with

  2633. these apostolic documents

  2634. and those documents

  2635. fit together

  2636. with that letter

  2637. of Jesus

  2638. and each witness

  2639. to one another.

  2640. And the remarkable

  2641. thing about this

  2642. is that long ago

  2643. Jeremiah the prophet

  2644. foretold this

  2645. in 600 BC.

  2646. He writes in

  2647. Jeremiah 31,

  2648. the days are coming

  2649. declares the Lord

  2650. when I will make

  2651. a new covenant.

  2652. We could also

  2653. translate that

  2654. New Testament

  2655. with the house of Israel

  2656. and the house of Judah

  2657. not like the testament

  2658. that I made

  2659. with their fathers

  2660. on the day

  2661. when I took them

  2662. by the hand

  2663. to bring them

  2664. out of the land

  2665. of Egypt.

  2666. My testament

  2667. that they broke

  2668. though I was

  2669. their husband

  2670. declares the Lord.

  2671. For this is the testament

  2672. that I will make

  2673. with the house of Israel

  2674. after those days.

  2675. I will put my law

  2676. within them

  2677. and I will write it

  2678. on their hearts

  2679. and I will be their God

  2680. and they shall be

  2681. my people.

  2682. So Christians,

  2683. this is how we are

  2684. to read our New Testament.

  2685. We're supposed to bring

  2686. that letter that Jesus

  2687. has written on our hearts

  2688. and bring it together

  2689. with those apostolic documents

  2690. and let them minister

  2691. to us

  2692. and through us

  2693. to other people.

  2694. Let's pause there.

  2695. I'm going to pray

  2696. real quick

  2697. and then we'll have time

  2698. for some Q&A.

  2699. Father in heaven,

  2700. we thank you

  2701. that you saw fit

  2702. to assemble

  2703. your New Testament

  2704. for us.

  2705. We thank you

  2706. for your faithful apostles

  2707. who wrote that

  2708. and all the Christians

  2709. who have preserved it

  2710. and those

  2711. who have taught it,

  2712. some of whom we know.

  2713. And Lord,

  2714. we ask that you

  2715. would illuminate us

  2716. as we read your word.

  2717. You would guide us

  2718. in your truth.

  2719. You would help us

  2720. to submit to it,

  2721. to understand it,

  2722. to preach it

  2723. and teach it

  2724. and to follow it,

  2725. to be filled with joy,

  2726. with love,

  2727. with humility,

  2728. with peace

  2729. and gracefulness

  2730. and thankfulness.

  2731. Lord,

  2732. above all,

  2733. we thank you

  2734. for the forgiveness

  2735. of sins

  2736. that was wrought

  2737. on the cross

  2738. by your son Jesus.

  2739. And we pray this

  2740. in his mighty name.

  2741. Amen.

  2742. Okay,

  2743. I went a little bit over

  2744. but we do have time

  2745. for Q&A.

  2746. If you do have to go,

  2747. feel free.

  2748. Otherwise,

  2749. raise hands,

  2750. ask questions.

  2751. I'm happy to stick around.

  2752. Yes,

  2753. Ralph.

  2754. You use the phrase

  2755. apostolic authorship

  2756. or oversight.

  2757. Yeah.

  2758. Why do you have

  2759. oversight?

  2760. Great question.

  2761. The question is,

  2762. I mentioned apostolic documents

  2763. or documents

  2764. that have apostolic oversight

  2765. and that's because

  2766. there are documents

  2767. in the New Testament

  2768. that were not written

  2769. by the immediate

  2770. disciples of Jesus.

  2771. They were written

  2772. by their contemporary disciples,

  2773. the disciples of the disciples,

  2774. so to speak.

  2775. So documents like

  2776. the Gospel of Mark,

  2777. Gospel of Luke,

  2778. Acts,

  2779. because Luke wrote Acts.

  2780. And so,

  2781. but those were not

  2782. just written,

  2783. you know,

  2784. far after the fact,

  2785. apart from the apostles.

  2786. They seem to have

  2787. apostolic supervision.

  2788. So,

  2789. for instance,

  2790. there's good early

  2791. historical evidence

  2792. that when Mark wrote Mark,

  2793. he was transcribing

  2794. Peter's teachings,

  2795. he was putting it down

  2796. that Peter approved

  2797. of this.

  2798. Same with Luke,

  2799. is that there's evidence

  2800. that Paul affirmed

  2801. and approved

  2802. Luke's ministry

  2803. and the Gospel of Luke.

  2804. So,

  2805. that's why I said

  2806. apostolic oversight.

  2807. We do have some

  2808. early Christian documents

  2809. outside of the New Testament

  2810. that were written

  2811. by disciples

  2812. of the apostles,

  2813. but those were written

  2814. much later.

  2815. They were not written

  2816. under apostolic oversight.

  2817. So,

  2818. those are things like

  2819. Clement of Rome

  2820. writing in 95 AD,

  2821. Ignatius of Antioch,

  2822. he wrote seven letters

  2823. around 105,

  2824. 107,

  2825. Polycarp of Smyrna,

  2826. he wrote a letter

  2827. at the same time.

  2828. Those were disciples

  2829. of the disciples.

  2830. They wrote letters,

  2831. but they weren't written

  2832. under apostolic oversight.

  2833. I would say timing,

  2834. but also,

  2835. I think,

  2836. they need to be

  2837. associates of the apostles.

  2838. I mean,

  2839. if we did find

  2840. an early Christian document

  2841. that came from like

  2842. 45 AD,

  2843. but it's just

  2844. a person in the church,

  2845. that wouldn't

  2846. necessarily qualify.

  2847. Okay.

  2848. In Bauckham's book,

  2849. it talks about,

  2850. the Pius talks about,

  2851. what you were just talking about,

  2852. this oral tradition

  2853. and oral history.

  2854. Can you

  2855. elaborate on the difference?

  2856. The difference between

  2857. oral tradition,

  2858. oral history.

  2859. So,

  2860. oral tradition.

  2861. when Pope Pius was writing,

  2862. he was getting it

  2863. from the last two

  2864. living people,

  2865. but that before him

  2866. it was oral history

  2867. being handed down,

  2868. like you said,

  2869. from Mark.

  2870. Yes,

  2871. so,

  2872. Raul's bringing up

  2873. another early Christian writer

  2874. named Papias,

  2875. who,

  2876. we don't have his books,

  2877. they've been lost,

  2878. except we do have

  2879. some large quotations

  2880. from his books

  2881. that are found

  2882. in other early Christian writers,

  2883. and he seems to have known

  2884. some of the disciples of Jesus

  2885. and he records some things

  2886. that he learned.

  2887. He talks about

  2888. how Mark wrote Mark,

  2889. for instance.

  2890. He mentions Matthew,

  2891. writing Matthew.

  2892. This idea of oral tradition

  2893. and oral history,

  2894. there was,

  2895. I mean,

  2896. when you read the New Testament,

  2897. Paul says to the churches,

  2898. he says,

  2899. be faithful to the traditions

  2900. we handed down to you.

  2901. And by that,

  2902. what he means is

  2903. he's giving them

  2904. the gospel message

  2905. that Jesus gave to him.

  2906. Jesus entrusted this to Paul.

  2907. Paul is now entrusting it

  2908. to others.

  2909. And in the early church,

  2910. it wasn't always written down.

  2911. Today,

  2912. I believe,

  2913. when we talk about

  2914. apostolic tradition,

  2915. what we're now talking about

  2916. is the 27 book New Testament.

  2917. But in the ancient church,

  2918. before all these documents

  2919. were written down,

  2920. you know,

  2921. you would have someone

  2922. who knew the apostles

  2923. tell you what's going on

  2924. about the gospel,

  2925. things like that.

  2926. And so,

  2927. that's probably what

  2928. they're getting at.

  2929. This is not like

  2930. a game of telephone.

  2931. Sometimes you see

  2932. a characterization of this

  2933. where, you know,

  2934. someone whispers something

  2935. in someone's ear

  2936. who whispers another ear

  2937. and it just gets

  2938. horribly distorted.

  2939. This is a very public,

  2940. open proclamation

  2941. that is checked

  2942. all the time.

  2943. If you look at

  2944. the ancient church,

  2945. you know,

  2946. Paul writes,

  2947. is it to the Colossians

  2948. or the Ephesians

  2949. and he writes to them

  2950. and he says,

  2951. you know,

  2952. make sure you read my letter

  2953. from the church of Laodicea.

  2954. Make sure you read that

  2955. and make sure you read

  2956. this letter publicly

  2957. in your church.

  2958. He's telling them,

  2959. you need to read this publicly.

  2960. You need to distribute it

  2961. and circulate it.

  2962. And so,

  2963. there was a lot of

  2964. checks and balances going on.

  2965. It wasn't like

  2966. a free for all,

  2967. so to speak.

  2968. Yeah.

  2969. Yes?

  2970. What about the

  2971. Douay version?

  2972. Don't they have that

  2973. like Apocrypha

  2974. or whatever it is?

  2975. Oh,

  2976. so,

  2977. the New Testament,

  2978. the 27 book New Testament

  2979. is the same

  2980. in every single

  2981. Christian church.

  2982. The Old Testament

  2983. is a little different.

  2984. So,

  2985. the Old Testament,

  2986. yes,

  2987. yes.

  2988. So,

  2989. they call the Apocrypha

  2990. or Catholic churches.

  2991. What happens is that

  2992. the Apocrypha

  2993. is additional books

  2994. of the Old Testament

  2995. that are usually

  2996. originally written

  2997. in Greek,

  2998. not Hebrew,

  2999. and,

  3000. or Aramaic.

  3001. And,

  3002. they were written,

  3003. our Old Testament

  3004. stops around 400 B.C.

  3005. and these Apocryphal documents

  3006. fill in that

  3007. intermediate period

  3008. between

  3009. the

  3010. end of the

  3011. Hebrew,

  3012. Aramaic,

  3013. Old Testament

  3014. and the beginning

  3015. of the New Testament.

  3016. The Malachi.

  3017. Malachi.

  3018. So,

  3019. yeah,

  3020. we have Malachi

  3021. and then

  3022. they have like

  3023. 1st and 2nd Maccabees

  3024. and things like that.

  3025. And,

  3026. you know,

  3027. if you read

  3028. 1st and 2nd Maccabees,

  3029. they're good reads

  3030. and I,

  3031. I think

  3032. God clearly was

  3033. working amongst

  3034. the Jewish people

  3035. in the story

  3036. of the Maccabees.

  3037. Remarkable,

  3038. miraculous things

  3039. are happening.

  3040. I don't think

  3041. Maccabees is

  3042. inspired scripture

  3043. but it doesn't mean

  3044. that it's not

  3045. talking about

  3046. God's

  3047. working in history,

  3048. so to speak.

  3049. So,

  3050. but,

  3051. but that apocryphal

  3052. section

  3053. that the Catholics

  3054. add,

  3055. the Orthodox,

  3056. the Eastern Orthodox,

  3057. they also have it

  3058. but it's a slightly

  3059. different version

  3060. and then you go

  3061. to other

  3062. ancient churches

  3063. like the Ethiopian

  3064. Orthodox Church

  3065. or the Coptic

  3066. Orthodox Church

  3067. and they also

  3068. have this apocryphal

  3069. but again,

  3070. they're all slightly

  3071. different between

  3072. themselves.

  3073. They don't agree

  3074. on which ones

  3075. are in there.

  3076. This debate

  3077. about whether

  3078. to include

  3079. these books,

  3080. the early church

  3081. had many debates

  3082. about this

  3083. and most

  3084. of the,

  3085. great scholars

  3086. of the ancient church

  3087. like Saint Jerome,

  3088. he was the one

  3089. who translated

  3090. the Bible

  3091. into Latin.

  3092. He was very clear,

  3093. he's like,

  3094. I think it really

  3095. should only be

  3096. the Hebrew books

  3097. that are included.

  3098. The earliest

  3099. Jewish lists

  3100. of their Bible,

  3101. the Old Testament,

  3102. seem to not

  3103. include the apocryphal books

  3104. so I think

  3105. the firmest ground

  3106. is

  3107. the,

  3108. an Old Testament canon

  3109. that is based

  3110. on the Hebrew

  3111. and Aramaic documents.

  3112. These also

  3113. seem to be,

  3114. that seems to

  3115. reflect the

  3116. Old Testament

  3117. of the apostles

  3118. and of Jesus

  3119. also.

  3120. But,

  3121. that's a whole

  3122. other,

  3123. whole other bit.

  3124. Matt?

  3125. Am I right

  3126. in thinking

  3127. that the

  3128. Protestant

  3129. Old Testament,

  3130. what we use,

  3131. is the same

  3132. group of scriptures

  3133. that Jews

  3134. use today

  3135. and we have used

  3136. throughout history?

  3137. It's certainly

  3138. the same one

  3139. that if you go back

  3140. to the very

  3141. earliest Jewish lists,

  3142. it seems to match up

  3143. with the very

  3144. earliest Jewish lists

  3145. and it's part

  3146. of the,

  3147. when you get

  3148. a Hebrew Bible

  3149. today,

  3150. it has the same

  3151. books that we have.

  3152. They have them

  3153. in a different order

  3154. but it's the same,

  3155. it's the same.

  3156. Other questions?

  3157. We have,

  3158. we have gone

  3159. well over time

  3160. so feel free to go.

  3161. Thank you so much.

  3162. Amos?

  3163. I've heard,

  3164. I've heard some people

  3165. say that they think

  3166. there might be

  3167. a total of four letters

  3168. to the Corinthians.

  3169. Yeah,

  3170. there might have been.

  3171. So what I'm wondering

  3172. is,

  3173. where are the,

  3174. That's a great question.

  3175. I don't know how

  3176. to phrase it but,

  3177. so we know,

  3178. there might have been

  3179. more than 27

  3180. and maybe God

  3181. just said,

  3182. okay,

  3183. yes,

  3184. so,

  3185. so,

  3186. remember that

  3187. the apostles

  3188. clearly wrote more

  3189. than the 27 books

  3190. of the New Testament

  3191. because they're going

  3192. to be writing letters

  3193. to one another,

  3194. they're going to be

  3195. signing tax receipts,

  3196. I mean,

  3197. they're going to be

  3198. doing all sorts of stuff

  3199. and when you read,

  3200. and we know they did

  3201. because when you read

  3202. 1 Corinthians,

  3203. Paul mentions

  3204. in 1 Corinthians

  3205. a previous letter

  3206. he'd written to them

  3207. and so we know

  3208. there was something

  3209. before 1 Corinthians.

  3210. He also seems to mention

  3211. another one

  3212. in 2 Corinthians maybe

  3213. and so there's some theories

  3214. that maybe there's actually

  3215. two lost letters.

  3216. He mentions an epistle

  3217. to the Laodiceans

  3218. in one of his letters

  3219. that we don't have.

  3220. There are theories

  3221. about that.

  3222. Some people think

  3223. that that letter

  3224. is actually the letter

  3225. to the Ephesians

  3226. because Ephesians

  3227. seems to be

  3228. a circular letter

  3229. that included Ephesus

  3230. but was a larger number

  3231. of cities

  3232. than just Ephesus

  3233. and that could have been

  3234. the letter

  3235. to the Laodiceans.

  3236. There is an ancient

  3237. letter to the Laodiceans

  3238. that you can go

  3239. and look up and read.

  3240. It's like a paragraph long.

  3241. Most people don't think

  3242. that's actually Paul's letter

  3243. to the Laodiceans

  3244. but as to like

  3245. what do we do with that?

  3246. Like what do we do

  3247. with the idea

  3248. that the apostles

  3249. wrote other stuff

  3250. and we don't have it?

  3251. Well, the Old Testament

  3252. is the same way.

  3253. I mean the Old Testament

  3254. will say go read this book

  3255. and we don't have it.

  3256. It'll say go read

  3257. the Wars of Yahweh

  3258. or something

  3259. or the Book of Jasher

  3260. or something like that

  3261. and those are lost to us

  3262. and so practically

  3263. there's really nothing

  3264. we can do at this point.

  3265. It'll become a live issue

  3266. if we find

  3267. one of these documents.

  3268. That will become

  3269. like a really live issue

  3270. of what do we do with this?

  3271. I think though

  3272. I don't think

  3273. we're going to find

  3274. a New Testament document

  3275. and the reason why

  3276. is because

  3277. in the early church

  3278. they didn't talk

  3279. about documents

  3280. that were from the apostles

  3281. that we think

  3282. actually were from the apostles

  3283. that we no longer have.

  3284. They didn't

  3285. there's nothing out there

  3286. that they're like

  3287. well that church

  3288. was reading

  3289. you know

  3290. 3 Peter

  3291. and we don't have this.

  3292. That doesn't come up.

  3293. I would think

  3294. the closest

  3295. that we could get to it

  3296. is that Gospel

  3297. of the Hebrews

  3298. which seems to be

  3299. the Hebrew version

  3300. of Matthew

  3301. and there's a debate

  3302. we're missing

  3303. we have quotations

  3304. of this gospel

  3305. but we don't have

  3306. the whole thing

  3307. and from the quotations

  3308. it seems like

  3309. it was basically

  3310. the Gospel of Matthew

  3311. but it had some

  3312. additional information

  3313. in it

  3314. at certain points

  3315. and the debate is

  3316. is this from Matthew?

  3317. Did he write this

  3318. and then translate

  3319. his into Greek

  3320. or what happened?

  3321. And we know

  3322. when you read

  3323. the New Testament

  3324. we know that

  3325. the apostles

  3326. just like any author

  3327. just like any ancient

  3328. author as well

  3329. they did edit

  3330. their documents

  3331. they didn't just

  3332. sit down

  3333. do stream of consciousness

  3334. and just send it

  3335. I mean they went over it

  3336. and you see this

  3337. with Paul

  3338. in Romans

  3339. where his scribe

  3340. just inserts a line

  3341. from himself

  3342. he says

  3343. oh and I tertius

  3344. who wrote this letter

  3345. greet you

  3346. which it's not Paul

  3347. writing that

  3348. it's the scribe

  3349. or in the

  3350. Gospel of John

  3351. John is writing

  3352. but then there's

  3353. a couple points

  3354. where it switches

  3355. to third person

  3356. where it says

  3357. we know

  3358. the disciple

  3359. who wrote this

  3360. and we know

  3361. that what he says

  3362. is true

  3363. and what seems

  3364. to be happening

  3365. is that

  3366. and we have

  3367. early Christian

  3368. evidence of this

  3369. is that when

  3370. John was writing

  3371. he had some

  3372. companions

  3373. some of whom

  3374. may have also

  3375. been disciples

  3376. of Jesus

  3377. who he's writing

  3378. this down

  3379. and they

  3380. then add

  3381. this kind of

  3382. little epilogue

  3383. to it

  3384. John almost

  3385. certainly was there

  3386. for that

  3387. but this process

  3388. of writing

  3389. maybe something

  3390. happened with

  3391. the Gospel

  3392. of Matthew

  3393. like that

  3394. too

  3395. maybe Matthew

  3396. is writing

  3397. these things

  3398. and maybe

  3399. that's what

  3400. the Gospel

  3401. of Hebrews

  3402. is

  3403. that's the

  3404. closest I think

  3405. we could get

  3406. to something

  3407. that the

  3408. apostles

  3409. may have written

  3410. and published

  3411. that we somehow

  3412. don't have anymore

  3413. we might find it

  3414. and realize

  3415. actually all the

  3416. quotations we have

  3417. cover all the

  3418. different stuff

  3419. so we never

  3420. really lost it

  3421. we might find

  3422. this is just

  3423. some later

  3424. Hebrew translation

  3425. of the Greek

  3426. that it's just

  3427. a later

  3428. Christian translation

  3429. where someone

  3430. added something

  3431. in

  3432. I don't know

  3433. but that would

  3434. be the only

  3435. one

  3436. if there's some

  3437. amazing

  3438. archaeological

  3439. discovery

  3440. in Corinth

  3441. and they come

  3442. up with four

  3443. letters of the

  3444. Apostle Paul

  3445. I gotta say

  3446. I would love

  3447. that

  3448. I think it'd

  3449. be like the

  3450. greatest thing

  3451. ever

  3452. I don't think

  3453. we should be

  3454. threatened by

  3455. that

  3456. I'd be so

  3457. excited by

  3458. that

  3459. it'd be

  3460. great

  3461. the apostles

  3462. they were

  3463. sinners too

  3464. I mean

  3465. they clearly

  3466. commit sins

  3467. left and right

  3468. throughout the

  3469. New Testament

  3470. they're not

  3471. perfect

  3472. so would

  3473. these documents

  3474. be part of

  3475. the word of

  3476. God

  3477. we'd have to

  3478. see

  3479. I mean

  3480. clearly not

  3481. everything

  3482. you know

  3483. when Peter

  3484. is writing a

  3485. letter to his

  3486. wife about

  3487. something about

  3488. groceries

  3489. like we're

  3490. not gonna

  3491. expect that

  3492. that's inspired

  3493. by God

  3494. so you know

  3495. we just have to

  3496. see what

  3497. happens

  3498. I think it'd

  3499. be really

  3500. cool

  3501. all right

  3502. thank you

  3503. guys

  3504. thank you

  3505. so much

  3506. thanks

  3507. me

  3508. you

  3509. you

  3510. you