Sermon
A Firm Foundation 7
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All day.
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We'll get started in just a minute.
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Okay.
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Welcome back, everyone.
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It's good to be here again.
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For those of you who don't know me, my name's Tom Schmidt.
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And I've been here a few times talking to you about the reliability of the New Testament.
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It's kind of a sub-series within our greater series on Scripture.
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And a couple weeks ago when I was with you, we talked about the preservation of the New Testament.
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And we looked at how the New Testament has been preserved and passed down to us through the generations.
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And how this is done carefully and reliably.
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And then the next time I was with you, we talked about the canonicity of the New Testament.
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And we looked at how the New Testament books were put together.
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Who chose what books were in the Bible?
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Why are some books in the New Testament, some books not in the New Testament?
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We talked about whether there was some kind of conspiracy theory or something like that.
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And we saw how God reliably and superintended this whole process to preserve and pass down the New Testament to us.
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Today, we're going to talk about the accuracy of the New Testament.
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And we're going to see if what the New Testament says is true.
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So we know it might have been reliably preserved.
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But that doesn't necessarily mean that it contains true things.
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So we're going to look at that in our time together this morning.
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We'll investigate whether what the New Testament says about Jesus is true and why its claims are factual.
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And this pertains especially to the New Testament's central claim that Jesus was crucified, buried, and then resurrected.
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So those are some things we'll go over today.
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But first, I want to open in a word of prayer.
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Father in heaven, we thank you for how you have given your word to us, how you've preserved it and gathered it for us through your saints.
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Father, we also thank you for how your word is trustworthy and how you sent your son Jesus to rescue us from our sins.
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It's in his mighty name that we pray.
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Amen.
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All right.
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So to begin with, I want to ask a question.
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Can we trust that the New Testament is accurate and true?
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We sometimes hear accusations that the New Testament is based on myths and folktales, that it's inaccurate and deceptive.
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I've heard these claims many times before, sometimes in popular culture, sometimes in the classroom.
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I'm sure some of you have heard these claims as well.
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And today, what we're going to look at is that the New Testament is not based on rumors or lies or myths.
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And indeed, there are several reasons why we can trust its factual claims.
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Now, these reasons, they build on one another.
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And so we're going to start with perhaps one of the most foundational reasons and then go from there.
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So one reason that we can trust that the New Testament is true and accurate is first and foremost because it's based off of eyewitness testimony.
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It's not based off of rumor and report or hearsay.
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And these eyewitnesses were behind the documents of the New Testament.
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And they were in a position to know what Jesus said and did and to report it accurately.
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So, for example, John, the disciple of Jesus, says this about Jesus, whom he calls the word of life.
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He says,
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John tells us here that he's preaching not something that he just heard a rumor about,
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but something that he witnessed, that he saw with his eyes, that he touched with his hands, that he heard directly with his own ears.
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And Peter, another disciple of Jesus, he tells us the same thing.
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For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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But we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
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Peter says that in his second epistle.
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He says much the same thing in his first epistle.
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In chapter 5, verse 1, he also adds that he was an eyewitness of the sufferings of Christ.
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And other New Testament authors make similar claims.
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For instance, Luke, the gospel writer.
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He says,
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It seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning,
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to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus,
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so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught.
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Theophilus was the person to whom Luke wrote, and Luke tells him that he went to the eyewitnesses,
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he investigated everything carefully from the beginning,
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so that he, Theophilus, and you all may know the exact truth about what you have been taught.
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So we've heard from the Apostle John and the Apostle Peter and Luke the evangelist,
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but we have more testimony as well.
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We have the testimony from the Apostle Paul.
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He gives perhaps the earliest account of the resurrection of Jesus.
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He says this,
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For I delivered to you as a first importance what I also received,
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that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
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that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
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and that he appeared to Cephas, that's Peter, then to the Twelve.
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Then he appeared to more than 500 brothers at one time,
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most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
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Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
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The resurrection of Jesus is the essence of our faith,
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and Paul gives his own eyewitness testimony here.
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And indeed, the Twelve disciples, the Twelve Apostles of Jesus, they concur.
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They say in the book of Acts, chapter 2, verse 32,
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This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.
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The fact that the New Testament is based on eyewitness testimony is so well established
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that even ancient anti-Christian sources agree.
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Now, what do I mean by these ancient anti-Christian sources?
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These sources were ancient writers who attacked Christianity in the 2nd through 4th centuries.
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They were people like Celsus, Porphyry, Heracles, and Julian the Apostate.
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They were highly educated, powerful, extremely hostile to Christianity.
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But even when they were attacking the New Testament,
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they still attributed its writings to Jesus' disciples.
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These ancient skeptics did not believe that the New Testament documents
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were written under false names far after the time of Jesus
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and were hence based on rumors like some scholars try to maintain today.
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They acknowledged that it was the disciples who wrote them.
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So if such ancient hostile sources agree
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that the disciples were ultimately behind the New Testament documents,
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then I think we can safely conclude that the New Testament documents
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are not based off of rumor or hearsay.
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But I want to ask you something more.
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Even if we can be sure that the New Testament is based on eyewitness testimony,
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how can we be sure that the eyewitnesses were telling the truth?
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We all know that eyewitnesses can lie.
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So do we have good reason to think that these eyewitnesses are being truthful
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and not fabricating their claims?
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Well, we have several reasons to trust the claims of these eyewitnesses.
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Firstly, they did not have worldly motives to lie about the resurrection of Jesus.
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They did not gain materially from their claims.
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They did not gain money or fame.
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They did not gain power or earthly benefit
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by preaching that Jesus was the Son of God and was resurrected.
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Not only does the New Testament testify to this,
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but even those ancient critics of Christianity I mentioned before,
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like Celsus and Julian the Apostate,
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even they agree with this.
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In fact, if you read their writings,
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they mock the apostles for being poor and uneducated,
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for being members of the lower class
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and friends with slaves and minority groups.
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They knew that the apostles did not gain riches or political power
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for following Jesus.
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They knew they were impoverished and they mocked them for it.
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In fact, far from seeking material gain for their beliefs,
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the apostles and the authors of the New Testament,
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they knowingly risked persecution and humiliation
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and scorn and shame and death.
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Indeed, many of the disciples of Jesus were executed for their faith in Jesus
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or even tortured.
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And when the authorities warned them to stop preaching in the name of Jesus
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and threaten them with punishment,
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they said this in the book of Acts,
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we cannot but speak of what we have seen and heard.
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Despite all these threats,
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they continued to proclaim that Jesus was resurrected.
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And just look at the outcome of their lives.
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Peter was executed.
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Paul executed.
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John was exiled as a prisoner to the island of Patmos.
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James, his brother, was beheaded.
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Matthew executed.
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Thaddeus, Nathaniel, James, the brother of Jesus,
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they were all executed.
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And we have good historical data to support these outcomes.
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And more than this,
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we have evidence that many other early Christians suffered the same fate.
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The fact that the apostles were terribly persecuted for their belief in the resurrection of Jesus
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is so beyond question that, again, as I've said before,
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even non-Christian sources agree with this.
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They tell us that the apostles were persecuted and executed.
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Sometimes they brag about it.
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We see this in, for example, the Jewish Talmud, the Jewish historian Josephus.
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They both claim that Matthew, that Thaddeus, that Nathaniel and James were executed.
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Josephus talks about James and the Jewish Talmud talks about the rest.
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Another Jewish document, the Toldot Yeshu,
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describes how Jesus was executed,
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that his 12 disciples then spread his teaching among the nations,
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and that, quote,
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they were slain.
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And it even criticizes Peter for teaching, quote,
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the meek acceptance of suffering.
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And the Roman historian Tacitus,
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he tells of a persecution of Christians in Rome under Emperor Nero
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that sounds exactly like the circumstances under which Peter was executed.
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But despite such great persecution,
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the apostles and eyewitnesses,
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they continued to maintain that Jesus really was resurrected.
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These sufferings are not something that so many people would each be likely to endure
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for a claim they knew that was a lie.
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Instead,
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it seems far more likely that the apostles were simply being honest and sincere.
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So,
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the first reason we can trust the eyewitnesses
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is because they don't seem to have worldly motives to lie.
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They gained nothing from what they were saying.
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And secondly,
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they had everything to lose.
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They were persecuted for what they said,
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yet they preached and continued to preach it.
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And this trustworthy character of the apostles,
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it was so steadfast that they passed it on down to their own disciples.
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Just like Jesus,
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the apostles went on to have disciples of their own.
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And when we examine the character of these men,
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these followers of the apostles,
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we see that they also conducted themselves in the same way as Jesus and the apostles did.
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They also suffered and were martyred for faith in Jesus.
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Take,
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for example,
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Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp of Smyrna.
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Both were disciples of the apostles.
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Both have writings that remain for us to read.
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And both of them were executed for their faith in Jesus.
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In fact,
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let's look at Ignatius specifically.
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He was a disciple of Peter,
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perhaps also Paul.
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And while he was awaiting his execution for being a Christian,
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he wrote several letters to churches encouraging them.
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And in one letter,
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he talks about how Peter witnessed the resurrected Jesus.
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Here's what he says.
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For Jesus suffered all these things for our sakes in order that we might be saved.
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And he truly suffered just as he truly raised himself,
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not as unbelievers say.
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For I know and believe that he was in the flesh even after the resurrection.
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When he came to Peter and those with him,
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and he said,
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Take hold of me,
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handle me,
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and see that I am not a disembodied spirit.
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And immediately they touched him and believed,
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being closely united with his flesh and blood.
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For this reason,
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they too despised death.
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Indeed,
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they proved to be greater than death.
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And after his resurrection,
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he ate and drank with them,
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like one who is composed of flesh,
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though spiritually he was united with the Father.
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Here Ignatius,
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the disciple of Peter,
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proclaims the resurrection of Jesus.
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He says that he knows Jesus appeared to Peter.
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And for this reason,
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Peter and the apostles despised death.
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Why?
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Because they had seen the one who had conquered death,
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and they knew death had power over them no longer.
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And Ignatius,
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though a man condemned to die,
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he joyfully testifies to this,
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just as Peter testified to him.
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So let me summarize.
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Can we trust that the New Testament is accurate and true?
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Well,
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yes,
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we can.
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It's based on eyewitness testimony of the apostles,
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not on rumor and report.
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And these eyewitnesses are trustworthy,
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because they did not stand to gain anything materially from their claims.
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They did not have motives to lie about the resurrection.
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Rather,
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they risked persecution and death.
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And in fact,
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their own disciples went on to do the very same thing.
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And these points are so beyond question,
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that even ancient non-Christian sources admit to many of them.
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Well,
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so far,
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I've been talking about how the New Testament writers were in a position to know the facts about Jesus,
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and how the New Testament documents were written with a backing of eyewitness testimony.
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And I've also shown how we can trust that these eyewitnesses were not lying about what they were saying.
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But let's not stop here.
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Let's see if we can test the reliability of the eyewitnesses in other ways.
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Let's not just trust their character or motives.
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Let's see if we can test their truthfulness and accuracy a little more scientifically.
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After all,
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eyewitnesses might still have accidentally put in false information.
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They might have gotten carried away in their great passion.
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They might have exaggerated things or convinced themselves of something that wasn't actually true.
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Even if the eyewitnesses were sincere,
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they might have still been inaccurate.
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We all know honest people who make wrong statements.
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So let's do a more thorough investigation here.
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Let's forget about character and motives.
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Let's see if the New Testament can hold up to good,
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old-fashioned, brass tacks, nuts and bolts, historical scrutiny.
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And this is what we're going to do.
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Throughout the New Testament, the authors make numerous historical claims.
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And we can check these claims against the historical record to see if they're true.
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So when the New Testament mentions a person or a place or an event,
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we can check that claim against the historical record to see if the New Testament is accurate.
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This is just like in a detective case when the testimony of an eyewitness is checked against the facts
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to see if their testimony can be corroborated by the evidence.
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And when we subject the New Testament writers to historical scrutiny,
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we find that the New Testament authors were indeed accurate
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and they were not in the habit of making up information.
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Let me show you what I mean.
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We'll start with some easy, basic stuff,
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and then we'll get to more complicated stuff as we go.
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So first of all, the New Testament authors report the existence of several Roman emperors.
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And we know from various historical sources
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that they correctly identify them in their proper historical context.
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And this comes from various lines of evidence like historical reports,
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the archaeological record, coins, things like that.
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You can see a coin of Emperor Augustus on the screen, which Luke talks about.
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Emperor Tiberius is also mentioned by Luke.
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There he is.
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Emperor Claudius mentioned in the book of Acts.
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Herod the Great mentioned in the early part of the Gospel of Matthew.
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He's the guy who tried to kill baby Jesus.
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Herod Archelaus is also mentioned in Matthew.
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Herod Philip, Herod Antipas, Herod Agrippa, Herod Agrippa II.
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There's a lot of Herods.
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It's hard to get them all straight, but the New Testament does.
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And we could go on for other rulers like Arathos IV.
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Paul mentions him.
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Pontius Pilate.
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This is a famous Pontius Pilate stone.
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And I know it might be difficult for you to read it,
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but on here it says the name Teos Pilatus.
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It's missing the P-O-N.
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It's missing from the stone.
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But anyway, all scholars agree this is an inscription mentioning Pontius Pilate from his time frame.
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Yes.
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Very quickly, is that like the back of a seat in a theater?
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Oh, I don't know where the stone comes from.
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I'd have to check, and we may not actually know.
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I'd have to see if we know the provenance of it.
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When I was in Israel, when we were like in Caesarea by the seat or something like that,
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the tour guide pointed to a seat, you know, and they had their names on it.
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They were VIP seats.
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At that time, I think in 1999, he claimed that this was the first archaeological evidence
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because the seat had a righteous name.
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So all I know is it's called the Pilate stone.
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It is in Israel.
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So this is in Israel.
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I don't know if that's part of a back of a chair or not,
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but we also have lots of other evidence for Pontius Pilate.
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It's not just this stone.
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He's mentioned in many historical ancient sources outside of the Bible.
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Right, he's saying the only part.
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Okay, yes, yes, yes.
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But if we're honest here, these names that I've been talking about,
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they're a little easy to get right.
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It's like naming the correct presidents.
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It's not too hard to get those right.
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So let's do something a little more challenging.
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It's good that the New Testament get these folks right,
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but let's see what the New Testament authors do with lesser-known figures
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whom someone would likely only know about if they were well-informed.
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Well, the New Testament authors speak about many people like Bernice,
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Drusilla, Judas the Galilean, Festus,
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people even like James the brother of Jesus, John the Baptist,
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Caiaphas the high priest, Herodias, and her daughter Salome,
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and the list goes on.
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And when we check the historical record,
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we see that all of these folks are mentioned outside of the Bible
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by non-Christian sources,
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and that the New Testament correctly places every one of them
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in their proper historical context.
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The New Testament is even correct about a minor person named Erastus,
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Paul's fellow partner from Corinth.
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And if you go to Corinth today,
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you can still see his name emblazoned on one of the paving stones.
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Erastus seems to have been one of the ministers of public works.
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And I know it might be hard to see,
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but the beginning of the E is there,
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R-A-S-T-U-S.
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The U looks like a V.
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Erastus.
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How do we know that's the Erastus that Paul would refer to?
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Erastus mentions him as a Corinthian minister of,
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I think,
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of public works,
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or maybe of some kind of official.
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And we know that when this name was put down,
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that that's what the public officials who were responsible for laying these things
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and arranging it would put their names on.
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So the place matches,
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the name matches,
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the profession matches,
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and the time matches.
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A person in the ancient world wouldn't likely know about these things
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unless they were actually there
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and witnessed many of these people.
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And we can even go to the names in the New Testament
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of humble peasants and workers.
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Even they can be verified.
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Now, they can't be verified on an individual basis,
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but it turns out that,
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but they can be verified statistically.
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And let me tell you what I mean.
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It turns out that every generation and every location
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has a frequency rate in their choice of names.
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So when people have children,
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they choose certain names,
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and every generation has a frequency rate.
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So for instance,
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in the United States,
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100 years ago,
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Betty,
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Sally,
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those were popular names.
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Not so popular these days.
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We have different names that children tend to have.
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And you can line up these statistics,
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figure out what names are popular,
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look at the frequency rate.
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And some scholars have done this
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with ancient names from first century Israel.
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And they have found
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that the frequency rate of those names
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matches up with the New Testament's reports
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of a lot of Marys
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and a lot of Simons.
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If you read the New Testament,
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you're like,
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everybody's named Mary.
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Everybody's named Simon.
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Well, that's exactly what was going on
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in first century Palestine.
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And so even those names
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can be roughly corroborated.
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Now we can also test
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the accuracy of the eyewitnesses
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in other ways too,
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aside from references to people.
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We can examine geographic references
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in the New Testament.
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This map shows dozens of locations
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mentioned in the New Testament.
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And guess what?
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The New Testament correctly locates all of them.
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It's even correct about little towns
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near and around Jerusalem,
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like Arimathea and Bethlehem.
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And it's also correct about villages in Galilee,
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even tiny fishing villages
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around the Sea of Galilee,
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like Capernaum.
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Remember back then,
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folks didn't have maps or atlases
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or the internet or encyclopedias
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to look up little places like this.
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The only way to know about
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an insignificant fishing village
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was if you were actually there
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or you knew someone who was.
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And the New Testament gets them right.
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And this is in great contrast
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to other documents we've mentioned
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in past courses,
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some of those false gospels.
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They will mention villages and towns
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that seem to have no bearing
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with historical reality.
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But let's go even smaller.
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The Gospel of John in chapter four
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mentions Jacob's well.
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Here it is.
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The Gospel of John speaks of the pool of Siloam,
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where Jesus tells a man to go and wash.
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There it is.
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The Gospel of John mentions huge stone water jars.
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Now, this is kind of strange
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because you think of water jars as smaller
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and not made out of stone,
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made out of clay.
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But these are big and made out of stone.
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But apparently that's not what they used to do
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in first century Judea,
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because here we go.
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We still have some of them.
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John did know what he was talking about.
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And we could continue doing this for hours
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about New Testament events, customs,
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contemporary beliefs,
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various historical phenomenon,
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and all sorts of other things
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that the New Testament reports
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is occurring in the first century.
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And you'll see that
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when the New Testament talks about events,
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we're able to historically verify them.
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It seems then that the authors
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were not in the habit of making up information.
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It also implies that
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the original New Testament documents
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must have been well preserved,
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because if later scribes were in the habit
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of messing about with them,
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then these historical claims
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would have tended to have been altered
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and therefore would have tended
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to not be so precise.
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But they are precise.
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Now, it must be said
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that there are a handful of instances
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where historical claims in the New Testament
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seem to be contradicted
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by what we know from other sources.
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And I would say that the most prominent,
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the most egregious example of this
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is with Theudis the Galilean,
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whom Luke mentions in the book of Acts,
Acts 5 chapter mention
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chapter 5.
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And Luke seems to clearly date this guy
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to before 39 AD.
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The problem with this
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is that the ancient Jewish historian Josephus,
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he also mentions Theudis,
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but he dates him several decades later.
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But rather than concluding
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that Luke and the New Testament are wrong,
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I would caution us to withhold judgment,
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given how accurate the New Testament is elsewhere.
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Perhaps there was a second Theudis,
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or perhaps Josephus himself was wrong.
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And in fact, we know Josephus is often wrong.
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Josephus actually talks about,
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he wrote multiple books,
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and he talks about the same period of time,
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three different times,
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so you can compare his own reports to one another.
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And he contradicts himself several times.
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So in fact,
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since the advent of modern scholarship,
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there's always been some historical claims
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in the New Testament
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that skeptical scholars dismissed as wrong,
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or made up,
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or otherwise fictitious.
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They would seize on these
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and argue
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that the New Testament authors
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were historically incorrect,
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and that they were fabricating information,
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and therefore untrustworthy.
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But time and again,
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later discoveries have proved
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the New Testament right,
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and the skeptical scholars wrong.
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Let me show you what I mean.
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Back in the day,
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certain scholars believed
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that Nicodemus,
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who came to Jesus by night
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in the Gospel of John,
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they believed that he was fabricated
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by the Gospel of John.
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Some of them claimed
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that John must have made up
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the name Nicodemus
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to function as an allegory,
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because Nicodemus
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literally means ruler of the people.
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And these skeptical scholars
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thought that John wanted
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to make a kind of greater point
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about how even rulers of the people
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were coming to Jesus,
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so he made up this guy named Nicodemus.
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Now John gives six data points
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about Nicodemus.
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He tells us that Nicodemus
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was a member of the ruling class,
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that he was a Pharisee,
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that he was a teacher of the law,
-
that he was very wealthy,
-
that he was associated with Jerusalem,
-
and that he lived
-
in the early first century.
-
And certain scholars thought
-
that this was nonsense,
-
and that there was no Nicodemus.
-
But then,
-
other scholars
-
started realizing
-
that according to
-
ancient Jewish literature,
-
there was, in fact,
-
a rich,
-
ruling family in Jerusalem
-
in the first century
-
that did have Pharisees
-
and teachers of the law
-
as members,
-
and do you know
-
what name
-
was popular
-
for men
-
in that family?
-
Nicodemus.
-
It may also be
-
that the Jewish Babylonian Talmud
-
mentions Nicodemus' execution
-
as a disciple of Jesus.
-
The Talmud seems,
-
this is a little tentative,
-
but the Talmud seems
-
to use a nickname
-
for Nicodemus,
-
a nickname that we know
-
is used for people
-
with the name Nicodemus.
-
So we can't be totally sure
-
of that one.
-
But in either case,
-
no scholar can really
-
truthfully claim
-
that Nicodemus never existed
-
because he seems like
-
an entirely plausible
-
historical person.
-
Let me give you
-
some more examples.
-
In the Book of Acts,
-
Luke tells us
-
that there was
-
an empire-wide famine
-
during the reign
-
of Emperor Claudius.
-
For a long time,
-
scholars dismissed this
-
as a pious exaggeration.
-
There was one
-
or two local famines,
-
but no famine gripped
-
the whole Roman Empire
-
during the reign
-
of Claudius,
-
they said.
-
Yet archaeological excavations
-
discovered ancient records
-
on papyrus in Egypt
-
documenting the annual
-
flooding of the Nile
-
when the Nile
-
would irrigate farmland.
-
Now, it's important to know
-
that Egypt was the breadbasket
-
of the Roman Empire.
-
That's where they got
-
most of their food from
-
when the Nile
-
would do its annual flood
-
and irrigate all the farmland.
-
And it would provide
-
incredibly fertile ground
-
for crops.
-
Well, it turns out
-
that during the reign
-
of Claudius,
-
these papyrus records
-
document that in one year
-
the Nile badly overflooded,
-
which would have invariably
-
caused the destruction
-
of the crops of Egypt
-
and invariably would have caused
-
a severe famine
-
throughout the empire.
-
In fact, one scholar,
-
Ken Sperber Gap,
-
he says that the official documents
-
found amongst the papyri in Egypt,
-
quote,
-
so supports Luke's count
-
of the universal famine
-
that the accuracy
-
of the statement
-
can no longer be challenged.
-
We can keep going.
-
The Pool of Bethesda,
-
mentioned in John chapter 5,
John 5 chapter mention
-
John says that it had five sides,
-
each equipped
-
with an overhanging porch.
-
Now, this is kind of weird.
-
Normally, when you think of a pool,
-
you think of four sides
-
or you think of a circular pool.
-
And this one is extra special
-
because each side
-
had like an overhanging porch.
-
For a long while,
-
scholars accused John
-
of making up
-
this piece of information
-
because we had no
-
archaeological record
-
of its existence.
-
Scholars said
-
that the five porches
-
were fictitiously crafted
-
by John
-
to represent
-
five stratas of society
-
or the five books of Moses
-
or some other thing like that.
-
But then,
-
in 1948,
-
archaeologists found this,
-
a pool that scholars
-
now admit
-
is the Pool of Bethesda
-
and indeed
-
had five sides.
-
The picture is showing
-
one half of the pool
-
and the archaeological
-
reconstruction,
-
you can see that
-
it actually is
-
a four-sided pool,
-
but then it has
-
a porch going between it,
-
making five porches.
-
So, four on the outside,
-
one through the middle,
-
just like John reported.
-
Or,
-
we could talk about Galio.
-
Galio
-
was the man
-
to whom Paul
-
had a trial before
-
in the book of Acts.
-
Scholars routinely claim
-
that Luke's chronology
-
in the book of Acts
-
was, quote,
-
hopeless and false
-
regarding Paul's trial
-
before Galio
-
in Acts chapter 18.
Acts 18 chapter mention
-
Other scholars insisted
-
that Luke,
-
the author,
-
most likely placed
-
this trial
-
somewhere between
-
51 and 54 AD.
-
But these scholars
-
were dismissed.
-
But then,
-
in 1913,
-
this inscription
-
was found
-
which mentions Galio
-
and precisely dates him
-
to 51 or 52 AD
-
exactly as Luke claimed.
-
Here's another one.
-
Sergius Paulus,
-
Acts chapter 13,
-
verse 7.
-
Another guy
-
whom Paul preached before.
-
Scholars for many years
-
said there was no evidence
-
that Sergius Paulus
-
was a proconsul in Cyprus
-
like Luke claims
-
in the book of Acts.
-
But then,
-
this inscription
-
was discovered.
-
And then this one.
-
And these clearly show
-
that a Sergius Paulus
-
was proconsul in Cyprus
-
sometime in the first century.
-
Exactly like Luke claims.
-
Skeptical scholars
-
also accused Luke
-
of making up the census
-
mentioned in Luke chapter 2
Luke 2 chapter mention
-
when Mary and Joseph
-
went to Bethlehem
-
to be registered
-
for Jesus' birth.
-
Our historical sources
-
tell us
-
that the census
-
actually happened
-
years later.
-
Skeptical scholars
-
said Luke
-
was wrong.
-
But other scholars
-
thought maybe
-
there was more
-
than one census.
-
But they were ignored.
-
But then we found
-
this inscription
-
which was shown
-
to clearly speak
-
about not one census
-
but many censuses.
-
And Luke
-
was vindicated.
-
The same happened
-
with Quirinius.
-
Skeptical scholars
-
also said that Luke
-
was wrong about
-
the governorship
-
of Quirinius
-
in Luke chapter 2.
Luke 2 chapter mention
-
The ancient historian
-
Josephus
-
placed his governorship
-
years later
-
than Luke did.
-
Some scholars
-
tried to solve this
-
by hypothesizing
-
that perhaps Quirinius
-
was governor
-
more than once.
-
But this seemed
-
like special pleading.
-
But then
-
this inscription
-
was deciphered
-
and then this one
-
and then this one
-
and it showed
-
that there was
-
a governor
-
in the very,
-
very early part
-
of the first century A.D.
-
or the end
-
of the first century B.C.
-
there was a governor
-
of Syria
-
who did have
-
two terms
-
that were not consecutive
-
and that the most
-
likely candidate
-
for this governor
-
was in fact Quirinius
-
who therefore
-
seems to have been
-
governor more than once.
-
Luke was right again.
-
And by the way
-
that was not
-
an uncommon thing
-
in the ancient world.
-
People were often
-
being shuffled in and out.
-
We can say
-
the same thing
-
about Luke's reference
-
to Lysanius the Tetrarch
-
in Luke chapter 3.
Luke 3 chapter mention
-
Scholars said
-
for many years
-
that Luke
-
contradicted
-
the historical record
-
by placing Lysanius
-
some 50 or 60 years
-
after he really existed.
-
Some faithful scholars
-
suggested that
-
maybe there was
-
more than one
-
Lysanius the Tetrarch.
-
But again,
-
this seemed like
-
special pleading.
-
But then in 1912
-
we found this inscription
-
and it proved
-
that there actually
-
were two
-
Lysanius the Tetrarchs.
-
And Luke was right
-
again.
-
And once more
-
that's not all that
-
unusual in the ancient world.
-
You'll have someone
-
who's a ruler
-
or a governor
-
or a powerful figure
-
and they often name
-
their son the same name
-
and that son often
-
goes on
-
or grandson goes on
-
to do the same job.
-
So it's not unusual
-
to find situations
-
like this.
-
You can for instance
-
see this
-
with the Roman emperors
-
where every single
-
Roman emperor
-
adopts the name
-
Augustus or Caesar.
-
So they all have
-
the same names
-
all dozens of them
-
again and again.
-
same thing happened
-
in other parts
-
of the world too.
-
All right.
-
These instances
-
teach us
-
that it is
-
never wise
-
to bet
-
against the
-
historical reliability
-
of the authors
-
of the New Testament.
-
It is true
-
that Luke
-
and Josephus
-
contradict one another
-
about the dates
-
of that guy
-
Theutis
-
I mentioned to you.
-
But we may yet
-
find evidence
-
that Luke
-
was right
-
about Theutis
-
and that Josephus
-
was the one
-
who was wrong
-
or we may find
-
that both were right
-
and there were two
-
figures of the same name.
-
After all
-
it's happened before
-
hasn't it?
-
But I have to say
-
about Theutis
-
that if it turns out
-
that Luke
-
is the one
-
who's incorrect
-
would this one
-
minor error
-
concerning a minor
-
marginal figure
-
really undermine
-
the overall credibility
-
of the New Testament
-
given how historically
-
reliable it is
-
with its other claims
-
especially
-
its important claims.
-
Indeed
-
the historical reliability
-
of the New Testament
-
is so strong
-
that
-
by some measurements
-
it gets better
-
every year.
-
Just a few years ago
-
a ring
-
was found
-
inscribed
-
with the name
-
Pontius Pilate
-
dating to the first century
-
in Jerusalem
-
and this once again
-
supports the New Testament
-
narrative
-
and it once again
-
bolsters the reliability
-
of the New Testament.
-
Like I say though
-
Pontius Pilate
-
is a well established
-
historical figure
-
even if we were missing
-
the ring
-
and the inscription
-
I showed you
-
he's mentioned
-
in many historical sources
-
other than those.
-
And this is similar
-
to what we saw
-
with the preservation
-
of the New Testament
-
where every year
-
every few years
-
we make more discoveries
-
that enhance
-
our confidence
-
in the preservation
-
of the New Testament
-
the same thing
-
happens with the accuracy
-
of the New Testament
-
also.
-
Okay
-
so let me summarize
-
we can be sure
-
that the New Testament
-
is true and accurate
-
because it is based
-
off of eyewitness testimony
-
and those eyewitnesses
-
were reliable
-
because they don't
-
seem to have gained
-
anything
-
from their claims
-
and therefore
-
had no motive
-
to lie
-
in fact
-
they gained suffering
-
and persecution
-
because of their claim
-
about the resurrection
-
of Jesus
-
yet they persisted
-
in maintaining
-
that Jesus
-
actually was resurrected
-
and furthermore
-
their disciples
-
suffered the same things
-
and even non-Christians
-
admit to much of this
-
as we saw with writers
-
like Celsus
-
and Porphyry
-
and Julian the Apostate
-
and lastly
-
we've just seen
-
how we can historically
-
verify dozens
-
if not hundreds
-
of the claims
-
that the New Testament
-
writers make
-
showing that the authors
-
of the New Testament
-
were not in the habit
-
of making up information
-
but were quite accurate
-
in their reports
-
and this even includes
-
instances
-
where scholars
-
charged the New Testament
-
with being wrong
-
and sometimes
-
they would maintain
-
these claims
-
for decades
-
or generations
-
but time and again
-
the New Testament
-
has been proven correct
-
through various
-
archaeological
-
and historical
-
discoveries
-
but let's do better
-
than this
-
all I've been doing
-
so far
-
is showing
-
that the New Testament
-
authors made
-
accurate claims
-
about mundane
-
normal
-
everyday events
-
and activities
-
but mundane evidence
-
gives only so much reason
-
to believe
-
super mundane things
-
the New Testament
-
is right
-
regarding normal
-
natural claims
-
but what about
-
supernatural claims
-
we want
-
extraordinary evidence
-
for extraordinary claims
-
can we
-
I wonder
-
can we
-
corroborate
-
the miracles
-
attributed to Jesus
-
yes I think
-
we can
-
this is because
-
the miracles
-
of Jesus
-
were so
-
impressive
-
and so indisputable
-
so beyond doubt
-
that non-Christians
-
and even
-
anti-Christians
-
admitted
-
that Jesus
-
and his disciples
-
worked miracles
-
let me show you
-
what I mean
-
and
-
what we're going to do here
-
is I'm going to
-
walk you through
-
some claims
-
from some
-
non-Christian writers
-
about Jesus
-
and we're going to go
-
in sort of
-
reverse chronological order
-
starting with the latest
-
and then getting
-
to the earliest
-
so we'll start with
-
a document called
-
the Toldoth Yeshu
-
scholars agree
-
this was probably
-
compiled
-
around
-
600 A.D.
-
it's a
-
Jewish account
-
of Jesus
-
however
-
we can track
-
the information
-
in the Toldoth Yeshu
-
and that information
-
matches up
-
with early
-
2nd century
-
claims about Jesus
-
made by other
-
Jewish sources
-
so in other words
-
this document
-
seems to have been
-
compiled
-
around 600 A.D.
-
but it's compiled
-
from earlier traditions
-
and those traditions
-
go way way earlier
-
if that makes sense
-
well the Toldoth Yeshu
-
it's very interesting
-
it's a highly
-
negative
-
account
-
of Jesus
-
trying to portray him
-
as a
-
terrible
-
terrible person
-
but it explicitly
-
admits
-
that Jesus
-
had the power
-
to raise the dead
-
and that his
-
disciple
-
Peter
-
was able to
-
heal
-
in the name
-
of Jesus
-
or this source
-
the Jewish Talmud
-
this is earlier
-
200 to 400 A.D.
-
again it has
-
traditions that are
-
probably even earlier
-
the Jewish Talmud
-
speaks about Jesus
-
and it mentions
-
that he had the power
-
to heal people
-
porphyry
-
now we're moving
-
from Jewish
-
into pagan territory
-
porphyry
-
wrote around the year
-
300 A.D.
-
we can date him
-
pretty precisely
-
and he was a
-
virulent
-
anti-Christian writer
-
he also
-
was perhaps
-
the most famous
-
philosopher
-
in the Roman Empire
-
at that time
-
and he wrote
-
an entire work
-
against Christians
-
he called
-
for Christians
-
to be persecuted
-
but in his writings
-
he also admitted
-
that Jesus
-
worked wonders
-
just like
-
the Bible
-
says
-
around the same
-
time
-
Heracles
-
was writing
-
as well
-
he was not
-
a philosopher
-
he was a
-
Roman governor
-
he was a very
-
powerful man
-
he called for
-
Christians to be
-
persecuted
-
and as a Roman
-
governor
-
he actually
-
had them
-
arrested
-
and executed
-
and he
-
like Porphyry
-
also wrote a book
-
against the Christians
-
and in this
-
just like with
-
Porphyry
-
he too
-
acknowledges
-
that Jesus
-
seems to have
-
worked
-
miracles
-
and let's
-
keep going
-
the Tosephtha
-
this is an
-
early Jewish
-
manual of
-
traditions
-
it talks
-
of a certain
-
James
-
whom it
-
calls
-
a disciple
-
of Jesus
-
who claimed
-
that he could
-
heal
-
in the name
-
of Jesus
-
and it
-
relates a
-
story
-
about how
-
a rabbi
-
desperately
-
tried to
-
get to
-
James
-
in order
-
to be
-
healed
-
because
-
he was
-
convinced
-
that James
-
truly had
-
this power
-
or the
-
oracle
-
of Hecate
-
Hecate
-
was a
-
goddess
-
a
-
Greco-Roman
-
goddess
-
and these
-
oracles
-
would
-
give out
-
statements
-
people would
-
come to
-
them
-
and make
-
an offering
-
and the
-
oracle
-
would give
-
out
-
advice
-
and the
-
oracle
-
Hecate
-
confessed
-
that Jesus
-
was immortal
-
it's one of
-
those oracles
-
that have been
-
preserved for
-
us
-
Celsus
-
writing around
-
the year
-
175
-
here's another
-
anti-Christian
-
writer
-
he wrote
-
an entire
-
book
-
against the
-
Christians
-
and in it
-
he acknowledges
-
that Jesus
-
worked wonders
-
and that early
-
Christians had
-
authority
-
over demons
-
if we go to
-
the year
-
137
-
to 140
-
Phlegon
-
Phlegon
-
is a
-
Greco-Roman
-
writer
-
he's a
-
chronographer
-
he's also
-
the fancy term
-
is also
-
a paradoxographer
-
he liked
-
cataloging
-
unusual
-
mysterious
-
or supernatural
-
happenings
-
and he's
-
writing in
-
137
-
or 140
-
but he
-
talks about
-
a strange
-
an unusual
-
darkness
-
as well as
-
an earthquake
-
that occurred
-
in 33
-
AD
-
just like
-
the gospels
-
say happened
-
at the
-
crucifixion of
-
Jesus
-
Phlegon also
-
says elsewhere
-
he mentions
-
Jesus
-
and he says
-
that Jesus
-
correctly predicted
-
the future
-
again
-
just like
-
the gospels
-
say
-
moving earlier
-
around the year
-
95
-
Josephus
-
he's a
-
Jewish historian
-
I've mentioned
-
his name
-
several times
-
he's got
-
a paragraph
-
about Jesus
-
and in it
-
he says
-
that Jesus
-
worked
-
miracles
-
and we
-
could perhaps
-
go even
-
a little
-
earlier
-
with a guy
-
named
-
Thalos
-
he wrote
-
between 50
-
and 100
-
AD
-
we're a little
-
unsure
-
of his
-
dates
-
and he
-
also reports
-
an unusual
-
darkness
-
and we
-
don't know
-
the context
-
of this
-
one
-
so this
-
one's a
-
little tentative
-
but he
-
seems to
-
have placed
-
this
-
around
-
the time
-
or around
-
the year
-
of Jesus'
-
crucifixion
-
as well
-
but we
-
still have
-
to talk
-
about
-
one of
-
the earliest
-
critics
-
of Christianity
-
and one
-
of the
-
greatest
-
someone
-
who murdered
-
Christians
-
and then
-
who became
-
a Christian
-
himself
-
and I'm
-
speaking
-
of someone
-
you all
-
know
-
of Saul
-
of Tarsus
-
he says
-
in his own
-
words that he
-
was trying
-
to destroy
-
the followers
-
of Jesus
-
but then
-
Jesus
-
appeared
-
to him
-
and demonstrated
-
his miraculous
-
power
-
and after
-
this Saul
-
of Tarsus
-
changed his
-
name to
-
Paul
-
and he
-
went on
-
to write
-
many of
-
the letters
-
of the
-
New Testament
-
and there
-
Paul talks
-
about how
-
he was a
-
persecutor
-
of Christians
-
and how
-
he was a
-
violent man
-
and how
-
he was a
-
witness of
-
the resurrected
-
Jesus
-
and after
-
many years
-
of ministry
-
and suffering
-
for the name
-
of Jesus
-
Paul was
-
executed
-
for his
-
faith in
-
Jesus
-
and we
-
can say
-
similar
-
things
-
about
-
others
-
who did
-
not
-
believe
-
in
-
Jesus
-
but then
-
changed
-
their
-
mind
-
after
-
Jesus
-
appeared
-
to them
-
people
-
like James
-
and Jude
-
whom the
-
Bible
-
testifies
-
did not
-
believe
-
in Jesus
-
when he
-
was
-
ministering
-
but who
-
were
-
persuaded
-
after
-
Jesus
-
was
-
resurrected
-
and he
-
appeared
-
to them
-
and these
-
two men
-
also went
-
on to
-
write
-
letters
-
in the
-
New
-
Testament
-
this
-
is
-
extraordinary
-
remember
-
that
-
ancient
-
authors
-
were
-
more
-
than
-
capable
-
of
-
denying
-
miracles
-
we see
-
this
-
for instance
-
with
-
Cicero
-
with the
-
Epicureans
-
with the
-
Atomists
-
the followers
-
of Democritus
-
with the
-
Jewish
-
Sadducees
-
all of whom
-
denied many
-
or even
-
all
-
supernatural
-
things
-
but Jesus
-
his
-
miracles
-
seem to
-
have been
-
so beyond
-
question
-
that non-Christians
-
and even
-
hostile
-
anti-Christians
-
admitted
-
that they
-
occurred
-
and some
-
of them
-
even seem
-
to have
-
become
-
Christians
-
themselves
-
so can
-
we trust
-
that the
-
New Testament
-
is true
-
and accurate
-
yes we
-
can
-
the New
-
Testament
-
is based
-
off of
-
eyewitness
-
testimony
-
and we
-
can trust
-
these
-
eyewitnesses
-
because they
-
don't seem
-
to have
-
a worldly
-
motive
-
to lie
-
they had
-
nothing
-
to gain
-
in fact
-
they risked
-
persecution
-
for their
-
claims
-
and
-
furthermore
-
their
-
own
-
disciples
-
suffered
-
the
-
same
-
and on
-
top of
-
that
-
the
-
claims
-
of the
-
eyewitnesses
-
can be
-
historically
-
verified
-
and we
-
can even
-
verify
-
their
-
miraculous
-
claims
-
and even
-
non-Christian
-
sources
-
admit
-
to many
-
of these
-
facts
-
but
-
if
-
this is
-
not
-
enough
-
for you
-
then
-
you
-
yourself
-
contest
-
the
-
authenticity
-
of Jesus
-
miraculous
-
powers
-
all
-
you
-
have
-
to
-
do
-
is
-
look
-
around
-
the
-
world
-
right
-
now
-
and
-
this
-
is
-
because
-
the
-
prophecies
-
of Jesus
-
Christ
-
contained
-
in the
-
New
-
Testament
-
are
-
being
-
remarkably
-
and
-
miraculously
-
fulfilled
-
among
-
us
-
for example
-
Jesus
-
predicted
-
in Matthew
-
24
-
14
-
he says
-
this
-
gospel
-
of the
-
kingdom
-
will be
-
preached
-
in the
-
whole
-
world
-
as a
-
testimony
-
to
-
all
-
nations
-
and
-
if
-
we
-
examine
-
our
-
world
-
today
-
we
-
see
-
that
-
there
-
is
-
no
-
other
-
message
-
on
-
earth
-
that
-
has
-
reached
-
so
-
many
-
people
-
there
-
is
-
no
-
message
-
that
-
has
-
gone
-
to
-
so
-
many
-
nations
-
and
-
so
-
many
-
countries
-
there
-
is
-
no
-
message
-
except
-
the
-
message
-
of
-
Jesus
-
that
-
has
-
been
-
translated
-
into
-
so
-
many
-
languages
-
and
-
has
-
been
-
adopted
-
by
-
so
-
many
-
cultures
-
and
-
has
-
changed
-
so
-
many
-
lives
-
Jesus
-
is
-
prophecy
-
is
-
being
-
to
-
this
-
and
-
keep
-
in
-
mind
-
that
-
when
-
Jesus
-
said
-
this
-
he
-
was
-
not
-
famous
-
or
-
powerful
-
or
-
popular
-
or
-
influential
-
when
-
he
-
predicted
-
these
-
things
-
he
-
was
-
a
-
member
-
of
-
the
-
underclass
-
a
-
carpenter
-
from
-
a
-
backwater
-
in
-
Galilee
-
and
-
he
-
predicted
-
that
-
his
-
message
-
would
-
go
-
into
-
all
-
the
-
world
-
and
-
so
-
far
-
it
-
has
-
spread
-
farther
-
than
-
any
-
other
-
and
-
against
-
all
-
odds
-
his
-
prophecy
-
is
-
being
-
fulfilled
-
Jesus
-
predicted
-
many
-
other
-
things
-
correctly
-
he
-
said
-
that
-
many
-
false
-
prophets
-
and
-
false
-
Christs
-
would
-
come
-
in
-
his
-
name
-
and
-
if
-
you
-
look
-
through
-
history
-
I
-
don't
-
think
-
there's
-
a
-
single
-
person
-
who
-
has
-
existed
-
who's
-
had
-
more
-
people
-
come
-
in
-
their
-
name
-
and
-
say
-
they
-
represent
-
them
-
or
-
they
-
are
-
them
-
Jesus
-
said
-
that
-
his
-
followers
-
would
-
be
-
brought
-
before
-
kings
-
and
-
rulers
-
and
-
all
-
these
-
things
-
have
-
happened
-
so
-
many
-
times
-
it
-
is
-
beyond
-
counting
-
and
-
Jesus
-
predicted
-
all
-
of
-
this
-
when
-
he
-
was
-
still
-
an
-
obscure
-
carpenter
-
from
-
Galilee
-
and
-
he
-
was
-
right
-
so
-
my
-
friends
-
I've
-
been
-
giving
-
many
-
reasons
-
why
-
the
-
New
-
Testament
-
is
-
worthy
-
of
-
our
-
trust
-
and
-
if
-
you're
-
interested
-
I'd
-
be
-
happy
-
to
-
talk
-
about
-
these
-
matters
-
afterwards
-
or
-
share
-
my
-
sources
-
of
-
information
-
with
-
you
-
as
-
well
-
but
-
if
-
you're
-
here
-
today
-
and
-
you're
-
still
-
wondering
-
about
-
the
-
person
-
of
-
Jesus
-
let
-
me
-
give
-
you
-
one
-
final
-
test
-
to
-
conduct
-
concerning
-
the
-
authenticity
-
of
-
Jesus
-
and
-
the
-
New
-
Testament
-
and
-
this
-
is
-
a
-
test
-
recommended
-
by
-
Jesus
-
himself
-
he
-
says
-
in
-
the
-
gospel
-
of
-
John
-
anyone
-
who
-
chooses
-
to do
-
the
-
will
-
of
-
God
-
will
-
find
-
out
-
whether
-
my
-
teaching
-
comes
-
from
-
God
-
or
-
whether
-
I
-
speak
-
on
-
my
-
own
-
my
-
friends
-
if
-
you
-
choose
-
to
-
do
-
the
-
will
-
of
-
God
-
Jesus
-
has
-
promised
-
that
-
you
-
will
-
find
-
that
-
his
-
teaching
-
comes
-
from
-
God
-
and
-
that
-
you
-
will
-
know
-
that
-
he
-
is
-
worthy
-
of
-
your
-
trust
-
let
-
me
-
end
-
in
-
prayer
-
and
-
then
-
we'll
-
take
-
some
-
questions
-
father
-
in
-
heaven
-
we
-
thank
-
you
-
that
-
you
-
sent
-
your
-
son
-
Jesus
-
to
-
minister
-
on
-
this
-
earth
-
to
-
preach
-
and
-
teach
-
to
-
work
-
miracles
-
and
-
signs
-
and
-
wonders
-
Lord
-
but
-
above
-
all
-
to
-
suffer
-
for
-
us
-
in
-
order
-
to
-
forgive
-
our
-
sins
-
we
-
thank
-
you
-
Lord
-
that
-
he
-
died
-
was
-
buried
-
and
-
three
-
days
-
later
-
rose
-
again
-
and
-
that
-
he
-
promises
-
that
-
he
-
will
-
raise
-
us
-
up
-
on
-
that
-
day
-
when
-
he
-
comes
-
in
-
glory
-
with
-
his
-
holy
-
angels
-
father
-
I
-
pray
-
that
-
you
-
would
-
increase
-
our
-
trust
-
in
-
your
-
word
-
that
-
you
-
would
-
help
-
us
-
to
-
grow
-
in
-
it
-
Lord
-
to
-
grow
-
in
-
in
-
the
-
fruits
-
that
-
Lord
-
help
-
us
-
to
-
forsake
-
evil
-
and
-
to
-
cling
-
to
-
what
-
is
-
good
-
to
-
repent
-
of
-
our
-
sins
-
to
-
minister
-
to
-
others
-
and
-
to
-
lay
-
our
-
lives
-
down
-
just
-
like
-
Jesus
-
did
-
for
-
us
-
we
-
pray
-
this
-
in
-
his
-
mighty
-
name
-
amen
-
all right
-
folks
-
we've
-
got
-
I
-
went
-
faster
-
than
-
I
-
thought
-
so
-
we've
-
got
-
we've
-
got
-
time
-
for
-
questions
-
if you
-
want
-
we
-
can
-
also
-
I
-
can
-
also
-
answer
-
questions
-
about
-
any
-
for
-
the
-
persecution
-
of
-
Christians
-
during
-
Rome
-
what
-
was
-
the
-
flash
-
point
-
about
-
why
-
the
-
Romans
-
persecuted
-
Christians
-
was it
-
charge
-
substitution
-
because
-
they
-
wouldn't
-
bow down
-
to the
-
the
-
Emperor
-
Augustus
-
and his
-
statues
-
was it
-
they were
-
scapegoating
-
them for
-
the fall
-
of Rome
-
what was
-
the reason
-
why
-
Christians
-
were
-
universally
-
despised
-
great
-
question
-
questions
-
why
-
were
-
the
-
Christians
-
persecuted
-
in
-
Rome
-
the
-
answer
-
is
-
kind
-
of
-
all
-
of
-
the
-
above
-
it
-
varies
-
at
-
different
-
times
-
in
-
different
-
places
-
so
-
the
-
Rome
-
we
-
think
-
of
-
Rome
-
as
-
this
-
dictatorship
-
where
-
everybody
-
follows
-
the
-
same
-
set
-
of
-
laws
-
and
-
that's
-
not
-
really
-
the
-
case
-
Roman
-
governors
-
had
-
a lot
-
of
-
latitude
-
and
-
there
-
were
-
local
-
customs
-
that
-
were
-
obeyed
-
and
-
even if
-
there were
-
certain
-
laws
-
Roman
-
governors
-
could
-
break
-
them
-
so
-
it
-
really
-
depends
-
but
-
in
-
general
-
there
-
were
-
a
-
number
-
of
-
reasons
-
so
-
one
-
was
-
that
-
there
-
were
-
a lot
-
of
-
vicious
-
rumors
-
circulating
-
about
-
Christians
-
they
-
Christians
-
were accused
-
of
-
cannibalism
-
of
-
incest
-
of
-
things
-
like
-
that
-
they
-
seem
-
like
-
bizarre
-
claims
-
but
-
when
-
you
-
think
-
when
-
people
-
hear
-
rumors
-
about
-
the
-
Eucharist
-
and
-
communion
-
and
-
how
-
people
-
eat
-
the
-
body
-
and
-
blood
-
of
-
Jesus
-
it
-
makes
-
a little
-
more
-
sense
-
why
-
those
-
rumors
-
would
-
go
-
out
-
as
-
far
-
as
-
incest
-
goes
-
Christians
-
would
-
counter-culturally
-
call
-
other
-
Christians
-
their
-
brother
-
or
-
sister
-
sometimes
-
you know
-
if
-
your
-
wife
-
or
-
husband
-
was
-
a
-
Christian
-
they
-
would
-
also
-
be
-
your
-
sister
-
or
-
brother
-
and
-
so
-
that
-
seems
-
to
-
be
-
where
-
those
-
claims
-
of
-
incest
-
came
-
from
-
these
-
of course
-
are
-
completely
-
unfounded
-
and
-
absurd
-
but
-
the
-
rumor mill
-
swirls
-
people
-
start
-
viewing
-
these
-
folks
-
as
-
terrible
-
and
-
in fact
-
we have
-
some
-
testimonies
-
there's
-
some
-
ancient
-
Christian
-
philosophers
-
who
-
say
-
I think
-
it's
-
Justin
-
the
-
philosopher
-
Justin
-
the
-
martyr
-
where
-
he
-
says
-
he
-
heard
-
all
-
these
-
horrible
-
things
-
about
-
Christians
-
and
-
how
-
terrible
-
they
-
were
-
but
-
then
-
he
-
saw
-
them
-
being
-
led
-
to
-
death
-
and
-
refusing
-
to
-
deny
-
their
-
faith
-
in
-
Jesus
-
and
-
he
-
realized
-
these
-
do not
-
who
-
would
-
be
-
doing
-
these
-
horrible
-
things
-
and
-
he
-
became a
-
Christian
-
to sacrifice
-
to the
-
Roman
-
gods
-
this
-
was
-
expected
-
of
-
all
-
people
-
in
-
Rome
-
now
-
sometimes
-
it
-
wasn't
-
a big
-
deal
-
sometimes
-
you
-
just
-
don't
-
go to
-
the
-
festival
-
where
-
they're
-
sacrificing
-
and
-
you're
-
just
-
viewed
-
as
-
kind
-
of
-
weird
-
but
-
other
-
times
-
you
-
could
-
get
-
in
-
really
-
severe
-
trouble
-
for
-
this
-
and
-
usually
-
for
-
most
-
people
-
it
-
wasn't
-
a
-
problem
-
because
-
they
-
would
-
just
-
even
-
if
-
they
-
worshipped
-
another
-
set
-
of
-
gods
-
they
-
were
-
polytheists
-
are
-
generally
-
okay
-
with
-
just
-
throwing
-
other
-
gods
-
into
-
the
-
mix
-
and
-
so
-
they
-
have
-
no
-
problem
-
worshipping
-
a
-
deified
-
Caesar
-
or
-
worshipping
-
Zeus
-
or
-
Jupiter
-
or
-
what
-
have
-
you
-
but
-
Christians
-
would
-
say
-
no
-
we
-
won't
-
do
-
that
-
and
-
that
-
would
-
get
-
them
-
into
-
a
-
lot
-
of
-
trouble
-
sometimes
-
the
-
only
-
other
-
group
-
that
-
seems
-
to
-
have
-
refused
-
to
-
do
-
that
-
the
-
only
-
other
-
large
-
group
-
were
-
the
-
Jews
-
but
-
Jews
-
often
-
had
-
like
-
an
-
agreement
-
with
-
the
-
Romans
-
that
-
they
-
didn't
-
have
-
to
-
do
-
that
-
and
-
at
-
the
-
same
-
time
-
Christians
-
would
-
be
-
refusing
-
to
-
do
-
it
-
often
-
you
-
have
-
Jewish
-
communities
-
loudly
-
proclaiming
-
that
-
these
-
Christians
-
were not
-
Jewish
-
and
-
were
-
doing
-
terrible
-
things
-
and
-
so
-
it
-
just
-
was
-
this
-
cyclic
-
effect
-
there
-
were
-
other
-
things
-
like
-
when
-
earthquakes
-
or
-
famine
-
would
-
hit
-
Rome
-
people
-
would
-
say
-
it's
-
the
-
Christians
-
the
-
Christian
-
to
-
the
-
lion
-
the
-
Christians
-
to
-
the
-
lion
-
and
-
they
-
would
-
round
-
them
-
up
-
similar
-
things
-
would
-
happen
-
that
-
remember
-
most
-
people
-
in
-
the
-
Roman
-
Empire
-
unless
-
you
-
were
-
a
-
male
-
citizen
-
which
-
in
-
the
-
early
-
part
-
of
-
the
-
Roman
-
Empire
-
was
-
you
-
were
-
a
-
great
-
minority
-
unless
-
you
-
were
-
a
-
male
-
citizen
-
you
-
didn't
-
really
-
have
-
many
-
rights
-
and
-
if
-
you
-
were
-
a
-
woman
-
or
-
you
-
were
-
the
-
wife
-
or
-
the
-
daughter
-
or
-
the
-
son
-
of
-
someone
-
who
-
is
-
not
-
yet
-
of
-
age
-
or
-
you
-
were
-
a
-
slave
-
then
-
your
-
father
-
had
-
authority
-
over
-
life
-
and death
-
and so
-
could
-
pretty
-
if
-
you
-
became
-
a
-
Christian
-
and
-
the
-
head
-
of
-
your
-
household
-
didn't
-
like
-
that
-
you
-
were
-
in
-
real
-
big
-
trouble
-
and
-
that
-
was
-
many
-
people
-
if not
-
most
-
people
-
could be
-
caught up
-
in that
-
and so
-
the
-
empire
-
wide
-
persecutions
-
where
-
you
-
have
-
this
-
empire
-
wide
-
scale
-
event
-
those
-
don't
-
happen
-
until
-
later
-
in
-
Christian
-
history
-
those
-
first
-
start
-
happening
-
around
-
the
-
year
-
250
-
and
-
there's
-
several
-
empire
-
wide
-
persecutions
-
where
-
the
-
emperor
-
says
-
everybody's
-
got a
-
sacrifice
-
if not
-
you can
-
be
-
tortured
-
or
-
executed
-
and
-
you
-
actually
-
would
-
have
-
to
-
go
-
get
-
a
-
certificate
-
and
-
we
-
actually
-
have
-
some
-
of
-
these
-
certificates
-
today
-
still
-
remain
-
where
-
people
-
have
-
a
-
certificate
-
or
-
receipt
-
that
-
they
-
sacrifice
-
but
-
before
-
250
-
there
-
were
-
more
-
local
-
persecutions
-
by
-
governors
-
or
-
mobs
-
or
-
things
-
like
-
that
-
so
-
it was
-
very
-
yes
-
what
-
about
-
the
-
Old
-
Testament
-
what
-
about
-
it
-
so
-
it depends
-
what you
-
mean
-
by
-
big
-
part
-
of
-
the
-
problem
-
with
-
the
-
Old
-
Testament
-
is
-
that
-
later
-
you
-
get
-
in
-
history
-
the
-
less
-
historical
-
sources
-
we
-
have
-
and
-
so
-
the
-
Old
-
Testament
-
goes
-
back
-
so
-
far
-
so
-
for
-
instance
-
Herodotus
-
is
-
usually
-
thought of
-
as
-
the
-
earliest
-
historian
-
to
-
write
-
and
-
he
-
wrote
-
in
-
like
-
450
-
BC
-
or
-
something
-
like
-
that
-
and
-
that's
-
when
-
the
-
Old
-
Testament
-
ends
-
so
-
so
-
the
-
Old
-
Testament
-
goes
-
so
-
far
-
back
-
that
-
we
-
only
-
have
-
limited
-
number
-
of
-
historical
-
sources
-
to
-
use
-
some
-
of
-
them
-
are
-
good
-
like
-
in
-
certain
-
parts
-
of
-
Babylon
-
or
-
Egypt
-
we've
-
got
-
good
-
sources
-
but
-
in
-
most
-
parts
-
of
-
the
-
ancient
-
world
-
we
-
don't
-
have
-
hardly
-
any
-
and
-
so
-
there's
-
also
-
if you
-
carefully
-
read
-
the
-
Old
-
Testament
-
there's
-
huge
-
swaths
-
of it
-
like
-
in
-
Genesis
-
like
-
Abraham
-
Isaac
-
Jacob
-
these
-
are
-
just
-
semi
-
nomads
-
going
-
around
-
in
-
the
-
desert
-
I
-
mean
-
we
-
wouldn't
-
expect
-
to
-
find
-
anything
-
about
-
someone
-
like
-
that
-
from
-
4,000
-
3,000
-
years
-
ago
-
so
-
in
-
some
-
ways
-
we
-
do
-
have
-
some
-
fantastic
-
archaeological
-
discoveries
-
that
-
corroborate
-
certain
-
parts
-
of the
-
Old
-
Testament
-
we
-
also
-
have
-
gaps
-
where
-
we
-
just
-
don't
-
have
-
other
-
sources
-
the
-
sources
-
don't
-
really
-
exist
-
and
-
that's
-
to be
-
expected
-
I
-
mean
-
any
-
part
-
of
-
the
-
world
-
you
-
would
-
expect
-
that
-
in
-
3000
-
BC
-
or
-
1500
-
BC
-
but
-
then
-
we
-
do
-
have
-
places
-
where
-
the
-
big
-
one
-
is
-
probably
-
the
-
exodus
-
in
-
Egypt
-
where
-
the
-
Bible
-
talks
-
about
-
Hebrews
-
being
-
enslaved
-
by the
-
Egyptians
-
and then
-
these
-
terrible
-
plagues
-
coming
-
on
-
and then
-
hundreds
-
of
-
thousands
-
or even
-
like
-
a million
-
Hebrew
-
slaves
-
coming
-
out
-
of
-
Egypt
-
and
-
the
-
problem
-
is
-
that
-
we
-
don't
-
we
-
do
-
have
-
evidence
-
that
-
there
-
were
-
Semitic
-
or
-
West
-
Asian
-
slaves
-
in
-
Egypt
-
who
-
worked
-
as
-
bricklayers
-
and
-
so
-
roughly
-
there's
-
a
-
corroboration
-
there
-
we
-
do
-
have
-
other
-
bits
-
and
-
pieces
-
of
-
suggestive
-
evidence
-
there's
-
a
-
papyrus
-
from
-
Egypt
-
that
-
talks
-
about
-
these
-
terrible
-
plagues
-
being
-
visited
-
upon
-
them
-
that
-
sound
-
roughly
-
like
-
what
-
we
-
find
-
but
-
it's
-
hard
-
to
-
date
-
the
-
papyrus
-
it's
-
hard
-
to
-
know
-
it's
-
being
-
talked
-
about
-
and
-
then
-
to
-
have
-
a
-
million
-
people
-
going
-
through
-
the
-
desert
-
is
-
you
-
would
-
think
-
sources
-
would
-
mention
-
that
-
more
-
than
-
they
-
do
-
although
-
again
-
this
-
is
-
so
-
long
-
ago
-
so
-
there's
-
a couple
-
possibilities
-
one
-
is
-
that
-
the
-
Hebrew
-
in
-
the
-
Hebrew
-
Bible
-
the
-
numbers
-
that
-
are
-
used
-
sometimes
-
ancients
-
didn't
-
use
-
numbers
-
like
-
we
-
do
-
like
-
they
-
did
-
use
-
them
-
for
-
math
-
but
-
sometimes
-
they
-
had
-
deeper
-
meanings
-
like
-
the
-
number
-
40
-
in
-
the
-
Bible
-
sometimes
-
it's
-
like
-
maybe
-
that's
-
not
-
a
-
mathematical
-
term
-
it's
-
a
-
general
-
term
-
so
-
some
-
people
-
think
-
that's
-
what
-
can
-
also
-
be
-
translated
-
as
-
clan
-
or
-
family
-
and
-
so
-
it
-
could
-
be
-
that
-
what's
-
going
-
on
-
here
-
is
-
that
-
it's
-
meant
-
to
-
say
-
600
-
families
-
or
-
600
-
clans
-
which
-
is
-
significantly
-
less
-
than
-
a
-
million
-
people
-
so
-
but
-
these
-
are
-
things
-
we're
-
still
-
waiting
-
to
-
discover
-
you've
-
seen
-
in
-
the
-
New
-
Testament
-
I
-
mean
-
if
-
we
-
gave
-
this
-
talk
-
100
-
years
-
ago
-
Lysanius
-
the
-
Tetrarch
-
the
-
pool
-
of
-
Bethesda
-
all of
-
these
-
things
-
that
-
would
-
be
-
explicitly
-
contradicted
-
seemingly
-
by the
-
historical
-
record
-
but
-
later
-
excavations
-
have
-
discovered
-
that
-
actually
-
we've
-
either
-
misinterpreted
-
the
-
historical
-
record
-
or
-
sometimes
-
most of
-
the time
-
we've
-
interpreted
-
it
-
correctly
-
it's
-
just
-
there
-
was
-
another
-
event
-
or
-
there
-
was
-
something
-
else
-
that
-
happened
-
that
-
we
-
didn't
-
know
-
about
-
so
-
I
-
would
-
say
-
that
-
for
-
the
-
Old
-
Testament
-
it's
-
very
-
good
-
by
-
very
-
ancient
-
historical
-
standards
-
but
-
it's
-
not
-
as
-
good
-
as
-
the
-
New
-
Testament
-
which
-
is
-
you
-
would
-
expect
-
a
-
higher
-
level
-
of
-
corroboration
-
given
-
that
-
it's
-
earlier
-
in
-
time
-
yeah
-
so
-
we're
-
just
-
going
-
to
-
have
-
to
-
trust
-
God
-
guys
-
that
-
he's
-
faithful
-
yeah
-
you know
-
if it
-
was
-
good
-
enough
-
for
-
Jesus
-
it's
-
good
-
enough
-
for
-
me
-
yeah
-
you
-
mentioned
-
really
-
at
-
the
-
beginning
-
this
-
talk
-
about
-
the
-
resurrection
-
as
-
an
-
event
-
that
-
banks
-
extraordinary
-
evidence
-
is
-
there
-
any
-
plan
-
down
-
the
-
pipe
-
for
-
a
-
class
-
about
-
that
-
oh
-
we
-
could
-
do
-
that
-
yeah
-
yeah
-
it's
-
class
-
about
-
the
-
resurrection
-
yes
-
I
-
love
-
looking
-
at
-
the
-
five
-
or
-
six
-
accounts
-
of
-
the
-
resurrection
-
that
-
we
-
have
-
in
-
the
-
Bible
-
I
-
didn't
-
have
-
time
-
to
-
bring
-
that
-
up
-
but
-
people
-
will
-
often
-
claim
-
that
-
when
-
you
-
read
-
the
-
accounts
-
of
-
Jesus
-
resurrection
-
so
-
you
-
get
-
Matthew
-
Mark
-
Luke
-
and
-
John
-
give
-
an
-
account
-
Paul
-
gives
-
an
-
account
-
and
-
Luke
-
gives
-
an
-
account
-
again
-
in
-
the
-
book
-
of
-
Acts
-
so
-
there's
-
kind
-
of
-
six
-
of
-
these
-
and
-
people
-
will
-
claim
-
that
-
these
-
are
-
irreconcilable
-
with
-
one
-
another
-
and
-
they
-
are
-
inherently
-
contradictory
-
and
-
I
-
think
-
actually
-
it's
-
quite
-
the
-
opposite
-
I
-
think
-
they
-
actually
-
work
-
together
-
very
-
well
-
and
-
are
-
what
-
you
-
would
-
expect
-
if you
-
watch
-
true
-
crime
-
shows
-
and
-
detective
-
stories
-
and
-
people
-
have
-
different
-
versions
-
of
-
events
-
it
-
sounds
-
exactly
-
like
-
that
-
where
-
people
-
are
-
saying
-
stuff
-
and
-
the
-
way
-
they're
-
portraying
-
events
-
is
-
individual
-
from
-
their
-
perspective
-
but
-
they
-
also
-
complement
-
one
-
another
-
very
-
well
-
we
-
can
-
talk
-
more
-
about
-
that
-
if
-
five
-
people
-
for
-
me
-
are
-
saying
-
the
-
same
-
thing
-
exactly
-
word
-
for
-
word
-
for
-
me
-
they're
-
lying
-
they're
-
colluding
-
I know
-
there's
-
a great
-
if we
-
do a
-
class
-
I'll
-
bring
-
this
-
up
-
there's
-
a
-
wonderful
-
article
-
do you
-
remember
-
that
-
famous
-
picture
-
it's
-
called
-
the
-
tank
-
man
-
picture
-
in
-
Tiananmen
-
square
-
in
-
the
-
80s
-
where
-
that
-
man
-
is
-
standing
-
in
-
front
-
of
-
the
-
tanks
-
well
-
the
-
New
-
York
-
Times
-
did
-
a
-
30
-
or
-
four
-
pictures
-
by
-
four
-
different
-
photographers
-
of
-
that
-
man
-
and
-
they
-
all
-
show
-
slightly
-
different
-
perspectives
-
and
-
the
-
New
-
York
-
Times
-
went
-
and
-
interviewed
-
each
-
of
-
those
-
photographers
-
like
-
30
-
years
-
later
-
and
-
was
-
like
-
tell
-
us
-
what
-
happened
-
and
-
then
-
they
-
each
-
wrote
-
a
-
paragraph
-
or two
-
about
-
what
-
happened
-
and
-
comparing
-
these
-
four
-
together
-
it
-
was
-
amazing
-
like
-
one
-
of
-
them
-
says
-
the
-
police
-
came
-
and
-
took
-
them
-
away
-
another
-
says
-
people
-
from
-
the
-
crowd
-
came
-
and
-
took
-
the
-
man
-
away
-
another
-
says
-
it
-
was
-
the
-
secret
-
police
-
that
-
came
-
and
-
took
-
him
-
away
-
and
-
you
-
start
-
thinking
-
like
-
well
-
if it
-
was
-
the
-
secret
-
police
-
they
-
would
-
have
-
looked
-
like
-
people
-
from
-
the
-
crowd
-
and
-
one
-
guy
-
says
-
he
-
was
-
holding
-
bags
-
another
-
says
-
he
-
was
-
only
-
holding
-
a
-
bag
-
you
-
know
-
plural
-
verse
-
singular
-
and
-
you
-
look
-
at
-
the
-
pictures
-
and
-
some
-
pictures
-
it
-
looks
-
like
-
he
-
is
-
holding
-
one
-
bag
-
but
-
other
-
pictures
-
it
-
is
-
like
-
no
-
he
-
has
-
a
-
clump
-
of
-
bags
-
right
-
there
-
and
-
so
-
all
-
of
-
these
-
they
-
work
-
together
-
and
-
it's
-
exactly
-
I
-
think
-
it
-
lines up
-
with
-
those
-
photographers
-
in Tiananmen
-
Square
-
I
-
think
-
the
-
testimony
-
ends
-
up
-
like
-
that
-
where
-
they
-
compliment
-
and
-
actually
-
inform
-
one
-
another
-
instead
-
of
-
contradict
-
one
-
another
-
there
-
was
-
a
-
tank
-
there
-
was
-
a
-
guy
-
and
-
there
-
was
-
a
-
tank
-
yeah
-
exactly
-
yeah
-
exactly
-
exactly
-
yeah
-
other
-
questions
-
Amos
-
so you
-
talk a lot
-
about how
-
there's
-
corroboration
-
between
-
the Bible
-
and
-
early
-
secular
-
and
-
Christian
-
writers
-
and
-
in terms
-
of
-
what
-
they
-
said
-
helps
-
establish
-
the
-
credibility
-
of the
-
New
-
Testament
-
from
-
independent
-
review
-
perspective
-
but I'm
-
wondering
-
is there
-
content
-
from those
-
other
-
sources
-
where we
-
might learn
-
interesting
-
things
-
that are
-
credible
-
about
-
Jesus
-
or the
-
early
-
Christians
-
that
-
would be
-
interesting
-
not on
-
par with
-
the New
-
Testament
-
which
-
might
-
there
-
are more
-
stories
-
about
-
Jesus
-
or the
-
apostles
-
that
-
stated
-
without
-
putting it
-
on par
-
with the
-
New
-
Testament
-
but which
-
in principle
-
one could
-
do
-
maybe a
-
sermon
-
on it
-
or
-
I don't
-
know
-
yeah
-
so the
-
question is
-
do we have
-
other information
-
about the
-
New Testament
-
or New
-
Testament
-
people
-
outside of
-
the New
-
Testament
-
that we
-
could
-
that would
-
be edifying
-
for us
-
or useful
-
for us
-
to some
-
degree
-
yes
-
yes
-
there is
-
and I
-
would say
-
that those
-
come in
-
two forms
-
so one
-
way
-
is that
-
sometimes
-
we get
-
evidence
-
from these
-
external
-
sources
-
which
-
doesn't
-
give us
-
new
-
information
-
about
-
something
-
or a
-
person
-
or something
-
that actually
-
happened
-
but helps
-
us understand
-
an event
-
in the New
-
Testament
-
better
-
so for
-
example
-
this is
-
an easy
-
example
-
if you
-
read
-
the
-
ancient
-
historian
-
Josephus
-
he
-
covers
-
the
-
history
-
of the
-
Jewish
-
people
-
in the
-
first century
-
AD
-
he also
-
was from
-
the first
-
century
-
AD
-
and you'll
-
notice
-
that something
-
he talks
-
about
-
again
-
and again
-
and again
-
is that
-
the Jewish
-
people
-
were horribly
-
oppressed
-
by taxes
-
they're
-
constantly
-
arguing
-
about them
-
how should
-
we pay
-
this
-
should
-
we not
-
pay
-
this
-
it's a
-
huge
-
huge
-
hot
-
button
-
issue
-
and you
-
take that
-
and you
-
read
-
where you've
-
got these
-
Pharisees
-
these sneaky
-
Pharisees
-
coming up
-
to Jesus
-
trying to
-
trap him
-
with this
-
question
-
about should
-
I pay
-
taxes to
-
Caesar
-
or not
-
and you
-
realize
-
that they
-
are asking
-
him like
-
the most
-
loaded
-
possible
-
question
-
in public
-
to try
-
and catch
-
him
-
and there's
-
numerous
-
examples
-
of that
-
where we
-
will find
-
that
-
something
-
that we
-
understand
-
I mean
-
we know
-
they were
-
trying to
-
catch him
-
with that
-
tax
-
question
-
but it
-
really
-
brings
-
up the
-
level of
-
tension
-
when you
-
read that
-
so there's
-
various things
-
like that
-
that help
-
us
-
but in
-
terms of
-
like do
-
we have
-
more
-
information
-
about
-
Jesus
-
or the
-
disciples
-
that we
-
don't
-
have
-
in the
-
New
-
Testament
-
that
-
so I
-
had that
-
quote
-
it's
-
many slides
-
ago
-
so I
-
probably
-
won't be
-
able to
-
get there
-
but that
-
quote by
-
Ignatius
-
of Antioch
-
where he
-
that was
-
I lost
-
the whole
-
thing
-
where
-
he talks
-
about
-
Jesus
-
appearing
-
to
-
Peter
-
that
-
is
-
probably
-
some of
-
the closest
-
we'll get
-
to a
-
story
-
about
-
Jesus
-
that
-
may not
-
be in
-
the New
-
Testament
-
but that
-
may actually
-
be accurate
-
although
-
you could
-
say that
-
he's
-
here talking
-
about what
-
John or
-
Luke talked
-
about
-
because
-
John or
-
Luke
-
especially
-
Luke talks
-
about something
-
pretty similar
-
to this
-
but Ignatius
-
may not be
-
getting it
-
from Luke
-
at all
-
he may
-
just be
-
telling it
-
like he
-
heard
-
from
-
Peter
-
there's
-
another
-
example
-
so
-
if you
-
read
-
really
-
carefully
-
through
-
the
-
Bible
-
in the
-
resurrection
-
sequence
-
there's
-
a mention
-
where
-
where
-
no
-
it's in
-
1 Corinthians
-
Paul mentions
-
that Jesus
-
appeared to
-
James
-
but we
-
don't have
-
any account
-
of that
-
at all
-
and
-
there is
-
a document
-
that just
-
talks about
-
how it
-
happened
-
I don't
-
know if we
-
should trust
-
that though
-
it might be
-
like a
-
much later
-
legend
-
that's trying
-
to fill
-
in the
-
accounts
-
we do
-
have
-
we do
-
have
-
I'm just
-
scanning my
-
brain for more
-
Jesus stuff
-
before I move
-
to the
-
disciples
-
okay here's
-
another one
-
there's another
-
ancient Christian
-
writer
-
his name is
-
Justin the
-
philosopher
-
Justin Martyr
-
whom I
-
mentioned once
-
he mentions
-
that when
-
Jesus was
-
baptized
-
that there
-
was a light
-
that appeared
-
also
-
so sometimes
-
you get these
-
little things
-
like I
-
don't know
-
the spirit
-
comes down
-
like a
-
dove
-
and then
-
this light
-
is on the
-
water
-
I don't
-
know
-
I mean
-
maybe
-
maybe that
-
happened
-
most of the
-
extra stuff
-
we know
-
is about
-
the disciples
-
and that's
-
where we get
-
more stuff
-
for instance
-
according to
-
very early
-
Christian tradition
-
Simon the
-
magician
-
Simon Magus
-
that was not
-
the end of
-
Simon Magus
-
in the book
-
of Acts
-
he went on
-
to oppose
-
the apostles
-
especially Peter
-
he even went
-
to Rome
-
to track
-
Peter down
-
that's said
-
again and
-
again
-
we know
-
that John
-
the disciple
-
the apostle
-
went to
-
Ephesus
-
and
-
Irenaeus
-
gives us
-
a story
-
about John
-
Irenaeus
-
was a disciple
-
of Polycarp
-
who was a
-
disciple of
-
John
-
if that makes
-
sense
-
and so
-
he's telling
-
us this
-
kind of
-
second hand
-
story
-
that he
-
heard about
-
John
-
about how
-
he was
-
going into
-
you know
-
in the Roman
-
Empire
-
they would
-
have these
-
communal
-
bath houses
-
where you
-
would go
-
in and
-
bathe
-
and that
-
John
-
was in
-
there
-
and this
-
heretic
-
named
-
Serentis
-
showed up
-
and he
-
quickly ran
-
out and
-
said we
-
got to
-
get away
-
from this
-
guy
-
so stuff
-
like that
-
you know
-
they do
-
they are
-
interesting
-
these stories
-
about the
-
apostles
-
you know
-
you have
-
to be
-
careful
-
because so
-
many of
-
these stories
-
are much
-
later
-
and we
-
just don't
-
know if
-
they're
-
accurate
-
or not
-
so what
-
is the
-
problem
-
in simple
-
words with
-
the Gnostic
-
Gospels
-
you should
-
have come
-
to the
-
class two
-
weeks ago
-
you didn't
-
make the
-
cut
-
yes
-
great
-
question
-
so the
-
problem with
-
them
-
is that
-
first of all
-
the Gnostics
-
most people
-
aren't aware
-
of this
-
the Gnostics
-
accepted
-
the canon
-
of the
-
mainstream
-
church
-
they just
-
added to
-
it
-
so they're
-
not really
-
rejecting
-
stuff
-
they're just
-
adding to
-
this
-
the problem
-
with it
-
is that
-
they don't
-
seem to
-
have any
-
grounding
-
whatsoever
-
in first
-
century
-
Jewish
-
history
-
they seem
-
to be
-
written
-
like
-
Jesus
-
from a
-
much later
-
Greek
-
philosophical
-
background
-
so all
-
the stuff
-
that we
-
just did
-
with the
-
New Testament
-
where we're
-
looking at
-
names,
-
dates,
-
places,
-
events,
-
happenings
-
can't do
-
that with
-
the Gnostic
-
Gospels
-
another thing
-
is that
-
contrary to
-
popular
-
perception
-
the vast
-
majority
-
of Gnostic
-
Gospels
-
are not
-
even
-
accounts
-
of Jesus
-
life
-
they don't
-
even
-
pretend
-
to be
-
they're
-
dialogues
-
of a
-
risen
-
savior
-
where he
-
has this
-
extended
-
dialogue
-
or it's
-
just a
-
sermon
-
or it's
-
a letter
-
so most
-
of them
-
don't even
-
claim to
-
be accounts
-
of Jesus
-
life
-
they are
-
just
-
theological
-
musings
-
other
-
reasons
-
why
-
is that
-
there's
-
no evidence
-
that the
-
people who
-
the titles
-
of the
-
Gospels
-
are ascribed
-
that they
-
actually wrote
-
them
-
so like
-
Gospel of
-
Mary
-
Gospel of
-
Peter
-
there's no
-
evidence that
-
they wrote
-
these
-
scholars are
-
united
-
in believing
-
these are
-
from the
-
second or
-
third
-
centuries
-
and in
-
fact
-
that
-
ancient
-
critic
-
Porphyry
-
whom I've
-
mentioned a
-
bunch of
-
times
-
he talks
-
about the
-
Gnostics
-
and he
-
says
-
oh yeah
-
they're just
-
making up
-
false titles
-
for these
-
things
-
but then
-
when he's
-
dealing with
-
the four
-
Gospels
-
and the
-
writings of
-
the New
-
Testament
-
he doesn't
-
say that
-
he seems
-
to accept
-
that they're
-
accurate
-
so
-
they don't
-
seem rooted
-
in Judaism
-
at all
-
to any
-
degree
-
they can't
-
be historically
-
verified
-
they seem
-
to be
-
written
-
at a
-
very late
-
date
-
they follow
-
they're all
-
united
-
behind this
-
Gnostic
-
myth
-
about how
-
you need
-
to have
-
this
-
knowledge
-
in order
-
to come
-
to salvation
-
and
-
it contradicts
-
Judaism
-
I mean
-
most of
-
them have
-
this idea
-
that
-
the creator
-
God
-
is evil
-
and
-
when you
-
read
-
Genesis
-
God
-
makes
-
everything
-
good
-
they've
-
got to
-
do a lot
-
of
-
hermeneutical
-
running around
-
to get around
-
that
-
or they'll
-
just reject
-
the passage
-
and it
-
just seems
-
the idea
-
that Jesus
-
or the
-
apostles
-
these Jews
-
from first
-
century
-
Palestine
-
would have
-
believed
-
that the
-
Old Testament
-
God
-
was bad
-
it just
-
doesn't
-
make sense
-
it seems
-
much more
-
like
-
someone
-
who's
-
following
-
Platonic
-
philosophy
-
who believes
-
the material
-
world is
-
evil
-
that's what
-
seems like
-
what's going
-
on here
-
and I think
-
that is what's
-
going on
-
is that
-
they're trying
-
to take
-
the teachings
-
of Jesus
-
and mash
-
them together
-
with Greek
-
philosophy
-
and this
-
is kind
-
of what
-
what's
-
coming out
-
yes
-
that's a
-
great question
-
let me make
-
a comment
-
first I
-
just want to
-
emphasize
-
how privileged
-
and blessed
-
we are
-
if you go
-
back even
-
100 years
-
ago people
-
didn't know
-
the stuff
-
we know
-
if you go
-
back 500
-
years ago
-
the only
-
test you
-
could do
-
was that
-
last test
-
that Jesus
-
said
-
if you
-
choose to
-
do the
-
will of
-
God you
-
will know
-
that I
-
come from
-
the Father
-
because if
-
you're living
-
in the
-
middle of
-
some far
-
off place
-
and you
-
can't read
-
or write
-
there's really
-
nothing you
-
can do
-
when you're
-
presented with
-
the gospel
-
message
-
other than
-
seek God's
-
guidance
-
directly
-
and so
-
we're in
-
this position
-
where we
-
have all
-
this stuff
-
that most
-
Christians
-
throughout most
-
of history
-
didn't have
-
some of the
-
earlier ones
-
might have had
-
this kind of
-
stuff
-
but they were
-
facing horrible
-
persecution and
-
death and
-
everything
-
so it brings up
-
a good question
-
of like what
-
do we do
-
and I think
-
we follow
-
Jesus
-
we see what
-
he wants
-
us to
-
do
-
what is
-
our
-
we each
-
have our
-
own
-
callings
-
and we
-
discern from
-
the Lord
-
what that
-
is and we
-
carry our
-
cross as best
-
we can
-
humbly
-
knowing that
-
I think
-
God is
-
going to
-
hold us
-
to the
-
standard of
-
the things
-
he's given
-
to us
-
and he's
-
given us
-
a lot
-
I also
-
think that
-
we should
-
always be
-
careful
-
I've mentioned
-
this a couple
-
times in my
-
other classes
-
but that
-
this information
-
that I presented
-
I mean it's
-
great it's
-
wonderful this
-
is my career
-
like I love
-
this stuff
-
but this
-
this doesn't
-
really get
-
at Jesus
-
directly in
-
order to get
-
at Jesus
-
directly you
-
got to know
-
him and
-
that's what
-
matters and
-
so some of
-
this information
-
can be extremely
-
helpful for
-
people and
-
can bolster
-
their faith but
-
other people
-
work differently
-
for others
-
you know it
-
doesn't it's
-
not exciting
-
for them
-
and ultimately
-
God
-
following Christ
-
is not about
-
how much you
-
know or even
-
how certain
-
you are of
-
these little
-
facts it's
-
you know
-
Jesus on that
-
day he's
-
going to ask
-
do you know
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me and
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that's what we
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want to keep
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in mind
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seek him
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and this
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is a
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important
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these are
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important things
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but they're
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only stepping
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stones to
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the ultimate
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goal
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yeah
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yes absolutely
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absolutely
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yeah
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I agree with
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that
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we've gone
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over
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I'm happy to
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answer more
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questions but if
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you got to go
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you got to go
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but otherwise
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thanks for
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coming I
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think we
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have one
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more class
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right John
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what's the
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topic on it
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we're going to
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be looking at
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given all these
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things about the
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scriptures how
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how do they come
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to make a
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difference in our
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lives so we're
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going to look
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particularly at
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how the word of
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Christ the
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gospels can come
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to dwell in us
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richly and
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transforming us
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particularly at
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meditation it's
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kind of the
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capstone in
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application of
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these things so
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yeah all right
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stay tuned how
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to have the word
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of Christ come
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to the world
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we wish
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all right thank
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you so much
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everyone