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God As One; God As Three; God As Three in One

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  1. Prayer. Our Father in heaven, grant us precisions of word and thought, Father, in true faith.

  2. Give us the light of understanding by your Holy Spirit. Enable us to believe what you have spoken

  3. in your word, that you are one and the only true God, existing in Father, Son, and Spirit.

  4. Humble us, Lord, by the complexity of the matter at hand. In the present Jesus' name, amen.

  5. Good morning. So today we begin a series on the attributes of God. I'm glad we have this time together.

  6. A.W. Tozer in his book, The Knowledge of the Holy, says the most important thing about you

  7. is what comes into your mind when you think about God. Not what you say or do or what you say about

  8. yourself, but what you deeply in your heart conceive God to be like. Your knowledge of God.

  9. In a way, our salvation depends on our knowledge of God. Jesus said,

  10. This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God in Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

  11. We must know God. Not carnal knowledge about him, but true knowledge based upon the word and spirit.

  12. So, not just knowing about diamonds, where it's found underneath the earth and made of carbon atoms,

  13. its value in the marketplace. But the knowledge we gain when we gaze upon a beautiful, sparkling diamond,

  14. beholding it within its splendor. That's the kind of first-hand knowledge of God that we must have.

  15. And a high view of God sees God as holy, high, and lifted up.

  16. Helping us to see ourselves rightly as sinful, in a need of grace.

  17. A low view of God is idolatry, and a mere figment of our imagination.

  18. A high view of God leads to humility and reverence.

  19. A low view of God leads to shallow worship and pride.

  20. What you think about God affects your politics.

  21. It affects your view of history. It affects your marriage.

  22. It affects how you endure trials. How you understand persecution.

  23. It affects everything.

  24. And in fact, your whole life is being driven by how you conceive God to be like.

  25. Everyone is a theologian. Everyone has this view of God in their minds.

  26. So, in this class, my prayer is that we remove the blurriness of God's character,

  27. and that it comes into sharper view,

  28. so that our whole lives would be to live for God's honor and praise.

  29. Jeremiah 4, verse 23 says,

    Jeremiah 4:23

  30. Thus says the Lord,

  31. Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom.

  32. Let not the mighty man boast in his might.

  33. Let not the rich man boast in his riches.

  34. But let him who boasts boast in this,

  35. that he understands and knows me.

  36. And so to that end, we're going to begin today with the doctrine of the Trinity.

  37. And this is somewhat unusual.

  38. Normally, if you read a book about the attributes of God,

  39. it begins with things like God is a spirit, God is omniscient, God is holy, God is loving.

  40. And Lord willing, we will get to those things.

  41. But I chose this topic first because when we discuss the attributes of God,

  42. they are the attributes of the triune God,

  43. applying equally to the Father, Son, and Spirit.

  44. So the Trinity will help us to understand how can God be the kind of God he is.

  45. Now, what is the Trinity?

  46. Where is that chapter and verse where the Bible defines the Trinity?

  47. Well, as you probably know, the word Trinity is not in the Bible.

  48. You don't find a point-by-point exposition of the Trinity.

  49. Does that mean it's not in the Bible?

  50. Well, we'll see.

  51. The word Trinity comes from the Latin trinitas, which means threeness.

  52. So even though the word is not in the Bible, it captures an essential truth.

  53. So let's begin with a definition.

  54. Wayne Grudem helpfully has defined the Trinity as this.

  55. God eternally exists as three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,

  56. and each person is fully God, and there is one God.

  57. So each person is fully God, and there is one God.

  58. And to understand the importance of the Trinity,

  59. I want to tell you a story of a heroic man in the early church,

  60. a man from Africa of great courage and faithfulness.

  61. And this man defended the truth of Christ's deity against the raging assault of Satan.

  62. And this man was named Athanasius.

  63. In Athanasius' day, many inside the church actually excommunicated those who confessed that Jesus is Lord.

  64. In fact, Athanasius himself was exiled five times, thrown out of his church, and then called back,

  65. always standing up for the truth.

  66. And during that time, many older people in the church were allowing wolves to ravage Christ's flock.

  67. And by the year 300, the orthodoxy that Jesus is Lord was threatened with lies and heresy

  68. by a man named Arius.

  69. And Athanasius was only in his 20s, remarkably, when he entered into the public arena.

  70. And one of the examples in history where the younger generation was calling the older generation back to biblical faithfulness,

  71. and associated with Athanasius came the Latin phrase,

  72. Athanasius Contramundum, Athanasius against the world,

  73. a man who stood against the world in defense of the truth.

  74. So may God raise up more men and women who are more concerned with being faithful to God's word

  75. than receiving the world's applause.

  76. And it was indeed a dark moment.

  77. The false doctrine from Aries spread rapidly during the early church.

  78. And what was Arianism?

  79. Well, Aries rightly said that there was only one God.

  80. But then disastrously, he wrongly reasoned that if Jesus was the Son of God,

  81. then he must have had a beginning.

  82. He's the Son.

  83. He must have had a beginning.

  84. Right?

  85. And therefore, there must have been a time where Jesus did not exist,

  86. and only the Father was eternal.

  87. And this came to be known as Arianism, which denies the full deity of Christ.

  88. And we see these ancient heresy in modern times.

  89. Oneness Pentecostals, who were kicked out of the assemblies of God many years ago.

  90. Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses.

  91. There's nothing new under the sun.

  92. But by God's grace, in a moment of great triumph, in 315 AD,

  93. the church sent representatives to the city of Nicaea to wrestle with the Scripture and to clarify their position.

  94. And the rest is history.

  95. There they formulated the Nicene Creed, which contains these important lines.

  96. And when you read the Nicene Creed, think of begotten as meaning as the same essence as,

  97. and essence as the same godness as.

  98. So these are important lines.

  99. We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God,

  100. begotten, so of the same essence as, the Father before all ages,

  101. God from God, light from light, true God from true God,

  102. begotten, not made, of the same essence as the Father, of the same godness as the Father.

  103. And later in 381, a statement was added about the deity of the Spirit,

  104. which forms the modern Nicene Creed.

  105. And there, in the three great ecumenical creeds,

  106. the Apostles, the Nicene, and the Athanasian Creed,

  107. are all structured around this threeness and oneness.

  108. And these creeds are like letters from our spiritual ancestors,

  109. warning us against dangerous theological mistakes that have threatened the church in the past.

  110. But sadly, many in our modern day have not saw fit to have

  111. that humble listening of the past.

  112. Matt referenced last week that Ligonier study on the state of theology done for Americans.

  113. And it is clear that even in our own day,

  114. the doctrine of the Trinity is outright rejected by those who claim to be Christians.

  115. So the question was this,

  116. Jesus was a great teacher, but he was not God.

  117. In 2020, 30% of American evangelicals agreed that Jesus is not God.

  118. In 2022, that jumped to 43%.

  119. That's amazing and saddening, a travesty.

  120. Before we begin, let's ask the question,

  121. why does this even matter?

  122. Someone might object,

  123. I worship God, we don't need these distinctions.

  124. It's so abstract and vague.

  125. People throwing around terms like essence and begotten,

  126. co-this and co-that, it just seems so irrelevant.

  127. We don't need these distinctions as long as someone worships God.

  128. However they conceive him to be,

  129. that's what's most important, right?

  130. We worship God.

  131. Well, to the contrary,

  132. Jesus disagrees with that.

  133. Remember in Jesus' last discourse,

  134. on the night of his betrayal,

  135. before going to the cross,

  136. before the darkness of the crucifixion,

  137. Jesus prays for his disciples

  138. in his high priestly prayer.

  139. And you can imagine the importance of these words.

  140. In his hour of crisis,

  141. before you go away,

  142. what will you say to the frightened disciples?

  143. What would you say?

  144. Stop being so anxious.

  145. You're always so anxious.

  146. Or I'll be right back.

  147. You know, BRB.

  148. He doesn't say those things.

  149. Instead, to get through the crisis,

  150. Jesus is saying,

  151. I need you to have a deeper understanding of God.

  152. And he begins teaching them about the Trinity

  153. and the sweet fellowship

  154. between the Father, Son, and Spirit.

  155. In John 17,

  156. Holy Father, keep them in your name,

  157. which you have given me,

  158. and they may be one,

  159. even as we are one.

  160. Or verse 22,

  161. The glory that you have given me,

  162. I have given to them,

  163. that they may be one,

  164. even as we are one.

  165. I in them,

  166. and you in me,

  167. that they may become perfectly one.

  168. And the high priestly prayer

  169. underlines the glorious mystery of the Trinity.

  170. And so for the Lord Jesus,

  171. this isn't a speculative topic.

  172. It's entirely practical.

  173. It helps us in times of suffering

  174. and persecution.

  175. And likewise,

  176. early Christians were passionate

  177. about this topic,

  178. not because they were interested

  179. in speculative philosophy

  180. or scholastic theology.

  181. No, because they wanted to worship

  182. the Lord rightly.

  183. And I would venture to say

  184. that preserving this truth

  185. in the Nicene Creed

  186. helped the church persevere

  187. through years of severe persecution.

  188. And if that is so,

  189. friends,

  190. the church

  191. must remove this blurriness

  192. and provide clarity

  193. on this important topic.

  194. And many Roman Catholic apologists

  195. will actually say,

  196. well, see,

  197. that's why you need

  198. the Roman Catholic Church,

  199. the big C.

  200. Because you cannot prove

  201. the Trinity from the Scripture.

  202. You need the councils

  203. and the creeds,

  204. but we must disagree

  205. with them there.

  206. because ultimately,

  207. we prove not our case,

  208. not from the church fathers,

  209. however helpful they may be

  210. as a humble listening

  211. of the past,

  212. but ultimately to the Scriptures.

  213. We must look to the Scriptures

  214. as the foundation of our faith.

  215. And so our goal

  216. in our time together

  217. is to expound scripturally

  218. of the Trinity.

  219. God is one,

  220. and God is in three persons,

  221. and discuss why this matters.

  222. And so to do this,

  223. we have to do three things

  224. to prove the Trinity

  225. from the Scripture.

  226. First, we must show

  227. that God is one.

  228. Second, three in one.

  229. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit

  230. are all God.

  231. Each person is fully God.

  232. And third,

  233. these three persons

  234. are not identical.

  235. And then we'll spend some time

  236. thinking about application.

  237. So point number one.

  238. God is one.

  239. God is one.

  240. So the first thing

  241. we must say

  242. that Christians believe,

  243. just as Jews believe,

  244. is that God is one.

  245. And many accuse Christians

  246. of being polytheists.

  247. Right?

  248. Accusing Christians

  249. of believing in three gods.

  250. And while it is true

  251. that Christians believe

  252. in a plurality,

  253. it is not polytheism.

  254. So Christians would hardly affirm

  255. Deuteronomy 6, verse 4.

    Deuteronomy 6:4

  256. Hear, O Israel,

  257. the Lord our God,

  258. the Lord is one.

  259. You shall love the Lord your God

  260. with all your heart,

  261. with all your soul,

  262. with all your might.

  263. So God is one.

  264. This is referred to

  265. as the Shema,

  266. because the first word here

  267. is the Hebrew word Shema.

  268. Shema, O Israel.

  269. And Israel was to understand

  270. there is one God.

  271. In contrast to all

  272. the other surrounding nations

  273. who worship many false gods,

  274. Israel was to worship

  275. the one and only true God.

  276. There is one creator God.

  277. The creator God of Israel

  278. is the God who created

  279. the heavens and the earth

  280. and who redeemed the people

  281. out of slavery

  282. to be his special people.

  283. But in another sense,

  284. the Shema means for Israel

  285. not only to say

  286. that God is one,

  287. but God, you are the one.

  288. Like in a love relationship.

  289. God, you are the only one

  290. my heart desires.

  291. The one I will love

  292. with all my heart,

  293. my soul, my mind, and strength.

  294. And marriage pictures

  295. that exclusive love,

  296. does not,

  297. an unbreakable love

  298. between God and his people.

  299. And the first commandment

  300. is you shall have

  301. no other gods before me.

  302. An exclusive loyalty

  303. to Yahweh as their king.

  304. And the people in exchange

  305. are his treasured possession.

  306. And the heart of the Old Testament

  307. is a call for Israel

  308. to worship God

  309. as their one and only true God

  310. and worship him alone.

  311. And this is a God

  312. who will have no rivals.

  313. His glory he will not share

  314. with another.

  315. He alone is God,

  316. utterly unique,

  317. ultimate authority.

  318. At his command,

  319. the Red Sea was parted.

  320. In the ten plagues,

  321. he shows his supremacy

  322. over all the other false gods

  323. of the Egyptians.

  324. He can make the sun

  325. stand still at his word.

  326. I am the Lord God.

  327. That is my name.

  328. My glory I give to no other,

  329. nor my praise to carved idols.

  330. So all glory and praise

  331. are due his name alone.

  332. And God speaks authoritatively

  333. about the past

  334. and the future.

  335. He's in absolute control

  336. of all things.

  337. And there are only two possibilities.

  338. Either God is reigning

  339. or he is being ruled over.

  340. And the Old Testament

  341. is emphatic that God is reigning.

  342. Isaiah 44, verse 6,

    Isaiah 44:6

  343. Thus says the Lord,

  344. the King of Israel

  345. and his Redeemer,

  346. The Lord of hosts,

  347. I am the first

  348. and I am the last.

  349. Besides me,

  350. there is no God.

  351. Who is like me?

  352. Let him proclaim it.

  353. Is there a God besides me?

  354. There is no rock.

  355. I know not any.

  356. Or Deuteronomy chapter 32,

    Deuteronomy 32:39

  357. verse 39,

  358. See now that I,

  359. even I am he,

  360. and there is no God beside me.

  361. I kill,

  362. I make alive,

  363. I wound,

  364. I heal,

  365. and there is none

  366. that can deliver

  367. out of my hands.

  368. Because he's in full control,

  369. fully sovereign,

  370. fully reigning,

  371. there is none

  372. that can deliver

  373. out of his hands.

  374. There is none beside him

  375. or over him.

  376. Isaiah chapter 45,

    Isaiah 45:22

  377. verse 22,

  378. Turn to me

  379. and be saved

  380. to all the ends

  381. of the earth.

  382. For I am God

  383. and there is no other.

  384. And so consistent

  385. in the Old Testament

  386. is that there is only one God.

  387. And the New Testament

  388. actually affirms

  389. that God is one.

  390. Jesus affirms

  391. those Shema in Mark 12.

  392. You'll recall

  393. one of the scribes

  394. asked Jesus,

  395. Which commandment

  396. is the most important of all?

  397. Jesus answered,

  398. The most important is,

  399. Hear, O Israel,

  400. the Lord our God,

  401. the Lord is one.

  402. So Jesus affirms

  403. that God is one.

  404. In 1 Corinthians 8,

  405. when resolving the question

  406. of meat sacrifice to idols,

  407. Paul says,

  408. We know that no idol

  409. is anything in the world

  410. and there is no God

  411. but one.

  412. James says,

  413. You believe that God is one.

  414. You do well.

  415. Even demons believe

  416. and shudder.

  417. So the demons

  418. can affirm the Nicene Creed.

  419. 1 Timothy 2, 5,

  420. For there is one God

  421. and there is one mediator

  422. between God and men,

  423. the man,

  424. Christ Jesus.

  425. Ephesians 4, 6,

  426. One God and Father of all

  427. who is over all

  428. and through all

  429. and in all.

  430. Lastly,

  431. 1 Timothy 1, 17.

  432. The king of the ages,

  433. immortal, invisible,

  434. the only God,

  435. be honor and glory

  436. forever and ever.

  437. So rewind in Genesis 1.

  438. This one God

  439. created all things.

  440. Unlike other pagan

  441. cosmic stories

  442. where creation is a result

  443. of God's fighting

  444. against each other,

  445. one God speaks the world

  446. into existence

  447. by his word.

  448. Ex nihilo.

  449. Out of nothing,

  450. he creates.

  451. Ten times,

  452. you're reading

  453. the opening chapter,

  454. and God said,

  455. and it was so.

  456. And God has supreme authority

  457. over all creation.

  458. He is not some tribal God,

  459. but he is the king

  460. whom every person

  461. will give an account.

  462. And this is the one

  463. who created Adam and Eve

  464. in his own image.

  465. There is only one God.

  466. There are not three gods.

  467. There is only one.

  468. So the response

  469. to this oneness, right,

  470. makes Muslims and Jews

  471. say,

  472. that's right,

  473. God is one.

  474. So therefore,

  475. the Trinity is excluded, right?

  476. One plus one plus one

  477. equals three.

  478. Right?

  479. Father, Son, Spirit,

  480. that's three gods.

  481. If God is one,

  482. that excludes Jesus

  483. and the Holy Spirit's deity.

  484. But this is not so.

  485. Not at all.

  486. So let's look at

  487. the Old Testament again

  488. and examine this criticism.

  489. And B.B. Warfield

  490. in his book,

  491. The Biblical Doctrine

  492. of the Trinity,

  493. has an insightful comment

  494. about the nature

  495. of the Old Testament's

  496. witness about the Trinity.

  497. He says this,

  498. The Old Testament

  499. may be likened

  500. to a chamber

  501. richly furnished,

  502. but dimly lit.

  503. The introduction

  504. of light

  505. brings into it

  506. nothing

  507. which was not

  508. in it before,

  509. but brings out

  510. into clear view

  511. much what was in it,

  512. but was only dimly lit.

  513. That's a paraphrase.

  514. So what he's noting here

  515. is important,

  516. that the nature

  517. of the scripture

  518. is progressive.

  519. It's progressive.

  520. So God reveals

  521. himself in stages.

  522. So the Trinity

  523. is more clear

  524. in Isaiah

  525. than it is in Genesis.

  526. It's more clear

  527. in the New Testament

  528. than it is in Isaiah.

  529. So the nature

  530. of the scripture

  531. is progressive.

  532. The light

  533. is getting brighter

  534. and then when the light

  535. of the New Testament

  536. is brightest,

  537. we can go back

  538. into the Old Testament

  539. and see things

  540. that were dimly lit,

  541. but not at all perceived.

  542. It's like we know

  543. more now

  544. than they did back then.

  545. Right.

  546. Yeah, exactly.

  547. Exactly.

  548. So we can go back

  549. into the Old Testament

  550. knowing what we know

  551. about God

  552. in the New

  553. and see things

  554. that were there

  555. all along.

  556. And so the church fathers

  557. thought

  558. this was very important

  559. to go back

  560. into the Old Testament

  561. and to see hints

  562. or footprints,

  563. they would call it.

  564. I think it's called

  565. the vestigia trinitatis.

  566. So it's the footprint

  567. or shadows

  568. of the triune nature

  569. of God

  570. in the Old Testament.

  571. So I want to throw out

  572. a question for us here

  573. is where in the Old Testament

  574. is the plurality

  575. of God implied?

  576. And I have some here

  577. as you can see.

  578. Genesis 1

  579. and the Spirit of the Lord

  580. hovered over

  581. and then

  582. when

  583. the angel of the Lord

  584. makes an appearance

  585. that's the pre-incarnate Christ.

  586. Yeah.

  587. And then God.

  588. When does God

  589. ever make an appearance?

  590. The angel of the Lord

  591. is fascinating, right?

  592. He's a fascinating figure.

  593. He appears

  594. in numerous

  595. points

  596. and angels

  597. refuse worship, right?

  598. Yeah.

  599. In Revelation.

  600. Yeah, 22.

  601. The Revelation

  602. the angel says

  603. don't do that.

  604. I'm a fellow servant.

  605. Don't worship me.

  606. But this angel

  607. accepts worship.

  608. It appears

  609. he has God's name, right?

  610. And God sends him out

  611. so it's

  612. he has a name of God

  613. but at the same time

  614. he's distinct from God.

  615. So a lot of people

  616. have seen the angel

  617. of the Lord

  618. as being

  619. Jesus says

  620. in Israel

  621. the spirit of the Lord

  622. was upon me.

  623. You know

  624. he quotes Isaiah

  625. as another

  626. yeah the spirit

  627. of the spirit.

  628. Yes.

  629. Yeah.

  630. So we have Genesis.

  631. We have the angel

  632. of the Lord.

  633. Is there any other place

  634. that the plurality

  635. Olivia?

  636. I don't know where

  637. somewhere

  638. in the Old Testament

  639. it's called

  640. the man of God

  641. or the son of man

  642. like a scene

  643. where they eat

  644. under a tree

  645. but a lot of people

  646. think it's Jesus

  647. or Elijah

  648. or the plurality of God

  649. and then there's

  650. there's I think

  651. one more place

  652. that's all the new trees.

  653. Yeah.

  654. Yeah.

  655. I'm thinking

  656. when you say

  657. the son of man

  658. I was thinking

  659. of Daniel 9

  660. where the son of man

  661. is given all authority

  662. sovereign power

  663. and glory

  664. and it's like

  665. who is this son of man

  666. who is presented

  667. to the ancient of days

  668. and is given

  669. an eternal dominion

  670. an eternal kingdom.

  671. It's puzzling right?

  672. So where is the plurality

  673. of God implied

  674. in the Old Testament?

  675. So we have

  676. the angel of the Lord

  677. there's the Daniel

  678. there's certain places

  679. where it seems

  680. that there are

  681. a divine figure

  682. that appears.

  683. Yeah.

  684. The plurality

  685. of God implied.

  686. The servant passages

  687. in Isaiah

  688. come to mind.

  689. They're not

  690. they're

  691. they're

  692. very shadowy

  693. but

  694. they're very much

  695. perfect

  696. once Jesus comes.

  697. Yeah.

  698. Yeah.

  699. The servant

  700. the servant

  701. comes

  702. and seems

  703. to have

  704. the attributes

  705. of God

  706. the servant

  707. will save

  708. his people

  709. from their sins

  710. but who can save

  711. a God alone?

  712. Who is the servant

  713. that Isaiah speaks of?

  714. And Moses

  715. talking about

  716. there's going to come

  717. a God

  718. will rise up

  719. a prophet

  720. after me

  721. and listen to him.

  722. Yeah.

  723. Yes.

  724. But does that

  725. passage not

  726. if you listen to

  727. that passage

  728. you're just expecting

  729. a prophet

  730. you want to be

  731. God

  732. and I'm sorry

  733. I can't wait

  734. to say

  735. the context

  736. of the question

  737. he was speaking

  738. about Jesus

  739. Yeah

  740. because Jesus

  741. well the prophet

  742. Deuteronomy 18

  743. where it says

  744. Moses

  745. there will be

  746. a prophet

  747. like me

  748. and listen to him

  749. and the prophet

  750. will say things

  751. that will come true

  752. and that's the way

  753. you should know

  754. that he's a true prophet

  755. and I think Jesus

  756. his resurrection

  757. right

  758. he says

  759. I'm going to be

  760. raised up on the third day

  761. and when

  762. it happens

  763. it is the

  764. the prophet

  765. that Moses spoke of

  766. but it's

  767. he's

  768. not necessarily

  769. the deity of God

  770. I mean

  771. the deity of Christ

  772. but it does

  773. vindicate Christ

  774. in what

  775. all I said

  776. was true

  777. Yeah

  778. And it wasn't even yet

  779. he had to wait

  780. for David

  781. to come

  782. and then after David

  783. Jesus

  784. came

  785. Yeah

  786. So Moses was talking

  787. about two people

  788. ahead of him

  789. Yeah

  790. To clarify

  791. I don't disagree

  792. what I'm saying

  793. is that that passage

  794. itself

  795. does not talk

  796. about Jesus

  797. as

  798. Moses was not God

  799. so if Moses said

  800. I'm a prophet

  801. like me

  802. Yeah

  803. That passage

  804. in the context

  805. it's actually

  806. it's not the plurality

  807. It's not the plurality

  808. of God

  809. it's

  810. it's

  811. it's affirming

  812. the truthfulness

  813. of what Christ said

  814. and all that he did

  815. and

  816. yes

  817. I agree

  818. and some of the things

  819. he said was

  820. I'm the Father

  821. I want

  822. Yeah

  823. Tom

  824. Maybe I missed this

  825. I stepped out for a second

  826. but

  827. the

  828. Hebrew word for God

  829. Elohim

  830. is plural

  831. but it's singular

  832. it's used as a singular

  833. verb

  834. but it's a plural noun

  835. referring to God

  836. which is

  837. puzzling

  838. and it's

  839. there's this plurality

  840. in

  841. the Godhead

  842. seemingly

  843. just in his name

  844. Yeah

  845. You can say the same thing

  846. from

  847. the Shema

  848. you're always real

  849. the Lord your God

  850. the Lord is one

  851. because

  852. it uses

  853. three different names

  854. for God

  855. it's the Yahweh

  856. and the Elohim

  857. and then

  858. this is a little more complicated

  859. but in the Hebrew manuscripts

  860. they didn't want to say Yahweh

  861. so they vocalized it

  862. with Abed and I

  863. so it's like

  864. Yahweh

  865. anyway

  866. it's

  867. the classic

  868. you know

  869. God is one passage

  870. there's actually

  871. three names

  872. of lies

  873. for God

  874. Yeah

  875. that is good

  876. that is good

  877. Sneaky

  878. hints

  879. I want you to get this

  880. but

  881. I'm going to stick this in here too

  882. for here

  883. like you'll get it

  884. someday

  885. Yeah

  886. Right now

  887. after coming out of Egypt

  888. with all these

  889. multiple gods

  890. I want you to get

  891. God as one

  892. but

  893. later on

  894. remember

  895. that's

  896. that's so true

  897. Romans 8 16

  898. the spirit of God

  899. bears witness to our spirit

  900. that we are children

  901. that's a reference to the spirit

  902. yes

  903. yeah

  904. the spirit is equally God

  905. exactly

  906. and all these

  907. and so many

  908. so much more

  909. if you look in the Old Testament

  910. right

  911. you can see

  912. hints

  913. footprints

  914. shadows

  915. of the triune nature of God

  916. not explicitly stated

  917. but you can go back

  918. after the

  919. of the New Testament

  920. the light shines

  921. and see like

  922. oh yeah

  923. I see that there were

  924. the Old Testament authors

  925. were not uncomfortable

  926. using plural forms

  927. of nouns

  928. for God

  929. like why is that

  930. but

  931. and

  932. one other

  933. is

  934. the

  935. Genesis 2

  936. which we

  937. we talked about

  938. that

  939. let us make man

  940. in our image

  941. after our likeness

  942. and

  943. Genesis 3

    Genesis 3:22

  944. verse 22

  945. the Lord God said

  946. the man has now become

  947. like one of us

  948. knowing good and evil

  949. he wasn't talking to angels

  950. well and it's interesting

  951. because

  952. the

  953. non

  954. you know

  955. some people could say

  956. look

  957. the church fathers

  958. you can go and find

  959. anything you want

  960. in the Old Testament

  961. if you have an agenda

  962. I can go find

  963. anything I want

  964. if I'm going to go

  965. in there looking for it

  966. but even non-Christians

  967. wrestle with this passage

  968. of Genesis 2 and 3

  969. so many Jewish rabbis

  970. contradict each other

  971. fumbling in an explanation

  972. of what is going on

  973. in Genesis 2

  974. some rabbis point

  975. that the us and our

  976. is Genesis

  977. as God speaking

  978. with angels

  979. and other rabbis

  980. like no that cannot be

  981. we did not

  982. God

  983. angels didn't create us

  984. we're not creating

  985. the image of angels

  986. that just cannot be

  987. and one Jewish writer

  988. in the 2nd century BC

  989. wrote a book

  990. called Jubilee

  991. and he had a lengthy

  992. quote of Genesis

  993. and he just dropped

  994. the plural self-reference

  995. out of it

  996. so that's one way

  997. of avoiding the problem

  998. just avoid it

  999. by deleting it

  1000. from your quotation

  1001. and I think

  1002. that just shows

  1003. the early church

  1004. were not reading

  1005. back into the Old Testament

  1006. things that weren't there

  1007. if Jewish

  1008. non-Christians

  1009. were wrestling

  1010. with the same issues

  1011. with the plurality

  1012. that's implied

  1013. and you know

  1014. the us and our

  1015. from a New Testament

  1016. perspective

  1017. we can say

  1018. this is intra-Trinitarian

  1019. conversation

  1020. so let us make man

  1021. in our image

  1022. and I think

  1023. when John writes

  1024. in the beginning

  1025. was the word

  1026. the word was God

  1027. was with God

  1028. right

  1029. Jesus was clearly there

  1030. the spirit is there

  1031. and the scripture

  1032. is hinting at

  1033. that there is a plurality

  1034. within the God

  1035. even in their act

  1036. of creation

  1037. and so our response

  1038. to the Muslim

  1039. is that there is one God

  1040. but there is a plurality

  1041. and that is attested

  1042. to in the Old Testament

  1043. one other

  1044. one I wanted to speak about

  1045. was Psalm 110

  1046. Psalm 110

  1047. Psalm 110

  1048. was the

  1049. verse 1

  1050. was Jesus'

  1051. favorite verse

  1052. in the Bible

  1053. to quote from

  1054. it's quoted

  1055. in 24 separate

  1056. or alluded to

  1057. in 24 different times

  1058. and Psalm 110

    Psalms 110:1

  1059. verse 1

  1060. says

  1061. the Lord

  1062. says to my Lord

  1063. sit at my right hand

  1064. until I make your enemies

  1065. your footstool

  1066. and the Lord

  1067. Yahweh

  1068. is speaking to

  1069. another person

  1070. whom he calls Lord

  1071. right

  1072. and this other person

  1073. clearly within the context

  1074. of the psalm

  1075. is the Messiah

  1076. David's messianic son

  1077. and this one

  1078. in Psalm 110

  1079. who sits at God's right hand

  1080. who triumphs over his enemies

  1081. he is a priest

  1082. in the order of Melchizedek

  1083. he has divine power

  1084. to judge the nations

  1085. to shatter kings

  1086. in his wrath

  1087. so the Lord

  1088. is speaking to the Lord

  1089. this Messiah

  1090. it's a puzzling

  1091. reality

  1092. what is going on

  1093. and Jesus quotes this

  1094. in his dispute

  1095. with the Pharisees

  1096. who are attacking him

  1097. Jesus says to the Pharisees

  1098. who do you think

  1099. of the

  1100. what do you think

  1101. of the Christ

  1102. whose son is he

  1103. they answer

  1104. the son of David

  1105. then he said

  1106. how is it

  1107. that David

  1108. in the spirit

  1109. calls the Messiah

  1110. Lord

  1111. and I think

  1112. it's the same

  1113. it's the same

  1114. Yahweh speaks

  1115. to Adonai

  1116. in Psalm 110

  1117. and I don't know

  1118. how fully

  1119. David understood

  1120. this

  1121. what he was saying

  1122. but under the

  1123. inspiration

  1124. of the spirit

  1125. he's somehow

  1126. saying that

  1127. the Lord

  1128. is speaking

  1129. to another

  1130. person

  1131. whom is called

  1132. Lord

  1133. the God

  1134. the Father

  1135. is speaking

  1136. to the Son

  1137. sit at my right

  1138. hand

  1139. until I make

  1140. your enemies

  1141. your footstool

  1142. in Isaiah 9

  1143. this Messiah

  1144. is called

  1145. Mighty God

  1146. Everlasting Father

  1147. Prince of Peace

  1148. and again

  1149. this Messiah

  1150. will save

  1151. his people

  1152. from their sins

  1153. in Isaiah 53

  1154. but who can save

  1155. from our sins

  1156. but God alone

  1157. who is this Messiah

  1158. that David

  1159. and Isaiah

  1160. speak about

  1161. so those

  1162. are the hints

  1163. it's there

  1164. but it's

  1165. you know

  1166. we don't know

  1167. it could be

  1168. is God

  1169. three persons

  1170. is God

  1171. more than

  1172. three persons

  1173. from the Old Testament

  1174. we can't

  1175. we can't say

  1176. for sure

  1177. but one of the

  1178. remarkable things

  1179. is that once you

  1180. open the pages

  1181. of the New Testament

  1182. the Trinity

  1183. isn't so much

  1184. explained

  1185. but it's assumed

  1186. throughout the

  1187. whole narrative

  1188. and so what was

  1189. vaguely hinted at

  1190. in the Old Testament

  1191. now becomes clear

  1192. you know

  1193. some say

  1194. Jesus never claimed

  1195. to be God

  1196. except in a few

  1197. lines in John's

  1198. Gospel that were

  1199. added much later

  1200. is that right

  1201. does the New Testament

  1202. affirm Jesus deity

  1203. yes

  1204. yes

  1205. yes they do

  1206. yes

  1207. there's scholars

  1208. that now

  1209. are acknowledging

  1210. that ancient

  1211. Judaism

  1212. did have

  1213. that is pluralistic

  1214. pluralistic

  1215. conception

  1216. of their

  1217. one God

  1218. and that

  1219. the phenomenon

  1220. of Judaism

  1221. denying that

  1222. is a recent

  1223. it's a recent

  1224. phenomenon

  1225. it's post-Christian

  1226. that I would say

  1227. was in response

  1228. to Christianity

  1229. but if you read

  1230. the first century

  1231. Jewish text

  1232. first century

  1233. BC AD

  1234. they seem to all

  1235. acknowledge this

  1236. many of them

  1237. anyway

  1238. and then

  1239. that's lost

  1240. once you go through

  1241. the Christian

  1242. centuries

  1243. so I think

  1244. they knew it

  1245. it wasn't

  1246. they may not have

  1247. the exact

  1248. conception

  1249. you know

  1250. a precise

  1251. trinity

  1252. but they knew

  1253. there was this

  1254. plurality

  1255. it wasn't just

  1256. David said

  1257. something

  1258. everybody forgot

  1259. it

  1260. I think

  1261. they were

  1262. aware

  1263. yeah

  1264. that's a good

  1265. point

  1266. so even

  1267. historically

  1268. this plurality

  1269. has been

  1270. part of the

  1271. Jewish faith

  1272. and it's not

  1273. something the

  1274. church fathers

  1275. just kind of

  1276. came up with

  1277. that thin air

  1278. yeah

  1279. I think we can

  1280. emphatically say

  1281. yes

  1282. the New Testament

  1283. affirms

  1284. Jesus DHU

  1285. Pastor Matt

  1286. preached on

  1287. Mark 2

  1288. a couple weeks

  1289. ago

  1290. Jesus is Lord

  1291. of the Sabbath

  1292. he's Lord

  1293. over God's law

  1294. Jesus receives

  1295. worship

  1296. after the

  1297. resurrection

  1298. Thomas says

  1299. my Lord

  1300. and my God

  1301. Jesus doesn't

  1302. say look

  1303. I'm your Lord

  1304. but not your

  1305. God

  1306. what are you

  1307. doing

  1308. he says

  1309. no no no

  1310. he accepts

  1311. worship

  1312. he's like

  1313. yes

  1314. he accepts

  1315. worship

  1316. that is due

  1317. God alone

  1318. and in

  1319. Revelation

  1320. the Lamb

  1321. on the throne

  1322. is worshipped

  1323. he receives

  1324. that which is

  1325. due to God

  1326. alone

  1327. he not only

  1328. receives worship

  1329. he takes on

  1330. divine titles

  1331. right

  1332. he is given

  1333. the name

  1334. Savior

  1335. but Isaiah

  1336. 43

  1337. God says

  1338. I even

  1339. I am the

  1340. Lord

  1341. apart from

  1342. me

  1343. there is

  1344. no Savior

  1345. and Jesus

  1346. the name

  1347. Jesus

  1348. literally means

  1349. Savior

  1350. Savior

  1351. and not only

  1352. Savior

  1353. but he takes

  1354. on the name

  1355. of Shepherd

  1356. right

  1357. John 10

  1358. and David

  1359. would say

  1360. the Lord

  1361. is my

  1362. shepherd

  1363. and there's

  1364. many other

  1365. titles that

  1366. Jesus takes

  1367. on

  1368. Redeemer

  1369. the Son

  1370. of Man

  1371. the True

  1372. Vine

  1373. the Bridegroom

  1374. clearly alluding

  1375. to God's

  1376. work in the

  1377. Old Testament

  1378. the I am

  1379. statements

  1380. in the

  1381. Gospel

  1382. of John

  1383. are filled

  1384. with allusions

  1385. to Jesus

  1386. deity

  1387. one of the

  1388. I am

  1389. statements

  1390. for example

  1391. is I am

  1392. the light

  1393. of the world

  1394. and that

  1395. gives life

  1396. to the world

  1397. he's recalling

  1398. the wilderness

  1399. experience

  1400. and the

  1401. pillar of fire

  1402. that led

  1403. Israel

  1404. through

  1405. the desert

  1406. so any

  1407. listener

  1408. would have

  1409. understood

  1410. that light

  1411. was a picture

  1412. of the light

  1413. of God

  1414. himself

  1415. and the

  1416. light

  1417. metaphor

  1418. is where

  1419. the light

  1420. of God's

  1421. glory

  1422. is present

  1423. as God

  1424. led the

  1425. people

  1426. through the

  1427. wilderness

  1428. to salvation

  1429. Jesus

  1430. saying I

  1431. will lead

  1432. my people

  1433. out of

  1434. darkness

  1435. into the

  1436. light of

  1437. salvation

  1438. through my

  1439. life and

  1440. death

  1441. and so

  1442. these I am

  1443. statements

  1444. are alluding

  1445. to God's

  1446. work in the

  1447. Old Testament

  1448. and he

  1449. not only takes

  1450. on titles

  1451. like Savior

  1452. Shepherd

  1453. Redeemer

  1454. and Lord

  1455. he has

  1456. divine works

  1457. right

  1458. he forgives

  1459. sins

  1460. but who

  1461. can forgive

  1462. sins

  1463. but God

  1464. alone

  1465. as a Pharisee

  1466. is recognized

  1467. they were

  1468. rights

  1469. only God

  1470. can forgive

  1471. sins

  1472. because ultimately

  1473. as David

  1474. said

  1475. I've sinned

  1476. against God

  1477. and him

  1478. alone

  1479. my sin

  1480. against

  1481. Bathsheba

  1482. and Uriah

  1483. he stops

  1484. the wind

  1485. at his

  1486. word

  1487. what kind

  1488. of man

  1489. is this

  1490. says the

  1491. disciples

  1492. even the

  1493. winds

  1494. and sea

  1495. obey him

  1496. answer

  1497. he's God

  1498. right

  1499. he's God

  1500. he even

  1501. commands

  1502. the forces

  1503. of nature

  1504. and there's

  1505. more we can

  1506. say

  1507. the apostles

  1508. consistently

  1509. gave the

  1510. title Lord

  1511. to Jesus

  1512. in their

  1513. letters

  1514. 1 Corinthians

  1515. 8-6

  1516. Paul says

  1517. yet for us

  1518. there is

  1519. one God

  1520. the Father

  1521. from whom

  1522. are all

  1523. things

  1524. and for

  1525. whom we

  1526. exist

  1527. and one

  1528. Lord

  1529. Jesus Christ

  1530. through whom

  1531. are all

  1532. things

  1533. and through

  1534. whom we

  1535. exist

  1536. and it's

  1537. interesting

  1538. that is

  1539. 1 Corinthians

  1540. 8-6

  1541. people will

  1542. point out

  1543. that is

  1544. the Shema

  1545. and Paul

  1546. is inserting

  1547. Jesus

  1548. into that

  1549. as describing

  1550. him as

  1551. Lord

  1552. there is

  1553. one God

  1554. in 1 Corinthians

  1555. 8-6

  1556. so Paul

  1557. calls him

  1558. Lord

  1559. through whom

  1560. all things

  1561. exist

  1562. and the word

  1563. Lord in the

  1564. New Testament

  1565. is the

  1566. Hebrew

  1567. word

  1568. translated

  1569. into the

  1570. Greek

  1571. Kyrios

  1572. Kyrios

  1573. and that is

  1574. the word

  1575. that is used

  1576. to describe

  1577. Jesus

  1578. over and

  1579. over again

  1580. and that

  1581. same word

  1582. is used

  1583. over 6,000

  1584. times in

  1585. the Old

  1586. Testament

  1587. to describe

  1588. God

  1589. so Jesus

  1590. is fully

  1591. God

  1592. and you

  1593. will call

  1594. Jesus

  1595. in John

  1596. 8

  1597. calls himself

  1598. Yahweh

  1599. before Abraham

  1600. was I am

  1601. and the Pharisees

  1602. understood what

  1603. he was saying

  1604. because they

  1605. picked up

  1606. stones to

  1607. kill him

  1608. for blasphemy

  1609. right

  1610. they would

  1611. be right

  1612. he's calling

  1613. himself

  1614. God

  1615. except that

  1616. it was

  1617. true

  1618. Jesus

  1619. was God

  1620. understandable

  1621. reaction

  1622. you're only

  1623. 50 years old

  1624. you're saying

  1625. you saw

  1626. Abraham

  1627. face to

  1628. face

  1629. he existed

  1630. 2,000 years

  1631. ago

  1632. and Jesus

  1633. was saying

  1634. I am God

  1635. and they

  1636. understood

  1637. what he was

  1638. saying

  1639. because they

  1640. picked up

  1641. stones

  1642. to kill

  1643. him

  1644. God

  1645. came to

  1646. earth

  1647. and he

  1648. killed

  1649. him

  1650. yes

  1651. his people

  1652. knew him

  1653. not

  1654. yes

  1655. yes

  1656. Jesus

  1657. yes

  1658. yes

  1659. yes

  1660. the love

  1661. of God

  1662. Jesus is the

  1663. image of the

  1664. invisible God

  1665. as Hebrews 1

  1666. says

  1667. so

  1668. the eternal

  1669. son of God

  1670. light from

  1671. light

  1672. true God

  1673. from true

  1674. God

  1675. we don't need

  1676. to pick a

  1677. couple verses

  1678. from John

  1679. to prove

  1680. Jesus deity

  1681. it is

  1682. throughout

  1683. the entire

  1684. New Testament

  1685. so let's

  1686. talk about

  1687. the Holy Spirit

  1688. the third

  1689. distinct person

  1690. from the

  1691. Trinity

  1692. of the

  1693. one God

  1694. the Father

  1695. is God

  1696. Jesus

  1697. is God

  1698. and the

  1699. Holy Spirit

  1700. is God

  1701. and these

  1702. are distinct

  1703. persons

  1704. despite there

  1705. being only

  1706. one God

  1707. I hope

  1708. your mind

  1709. is just

  1710. kind of

  1711. getting a little

  1712. confused now

  1713. how can that

  1714. be possible

  1715. there being

  1716. one God

  1717. and three

  1718. distinct

  1719. persons

  1720. in the

  1721. one God

  1722. and some

  1723. people will

  1724. say I

  1725. don't really

  1726. get this

  1727. whole business

  1728. about the

  1729. Holy Spirit

  1730. that's just

  1731. the word

  1732. for the

  1733. breath

  1734. the wind

  1735. the power

  1736. of God

  1737. working

  1738. through the

  1739. world

  1740. right

  1741. they don't

  1742. see the

  1743. Holy Spirit

  1744. as a

  1745. distinct

  1746. person

  1747. and Christians

  1748. who grew up

  1749. with the

  1750. KJV

  1751. anyone

  1752. grew up

  1753. with the

  1754. KJV

  1755. here

  1756. KJV

  1757. there you

  1758. go

  1759. I'm

  1760. familiar

  1761. with the

  1762. term

  1763. Holy Ghost

  1764. and the

  1765. Holy Ghost

  1766. it has

  1767. connotations

  1768. of distance

  1769. of an

  1770. impersonal

  1771. God

  1772. who's a

  1773. ghost

  1774. the Holy Ghost

  1775. right

  1776. it's like

  1777. who is

  1778. the Spirit

  1779. I mean

  1780. and

  1781. in many

  1782. passages

  1783. the Holy

  1784. Spirit

  1785. is spoken

  1786. of

  1787. impersonal

  1788. terms

  1789. we tend

  1790. to think

  1791. of the

  1792. Holy Spirit

  1793. as a

  1794. force

  1795. but the

  1796. Holy Spirit

  1797. is a

  1798. person

  1799. right

  1800. and frequently

  1801. does

  1802. activities

  1803. that belong

  1804. to personhood

  1805. so right

  1806. before the

  1807. cross

  1808. Jesus

  1809. expresses

  1810. an

  1811. internal

  1812. intimacy

  1813. with the

  1814. Father

  1815. and he

  1816. promises

  1817. to send

  1818. the Holy

  1819. Spirit

  1820. onto the

  1821. church

  1822. one

  1823. distinct

  1824. from both

  1825. the

  1826. Father

  1827. and the

  1828. Son

  1829. and the

  1830. Holy Spirit

  1831. is the

  1832. paraclete

  1833. the helper

  1834. the advocate

  1835. it says

  1836. that

  1837. God

  1838. decrees

  1839. Jesus

  1840. accomplishes

  1841. and the

  1842. Holy Spirit

  1843. applies

  1844. to salvation

  1845. yes

  1846. it's all

  1847. Trinitarian

  1848. in the end

  1849. yes

  1850. our whole

  1851. faith is

  1852. Trinitarian

  1853. yes

  1854. now why

  1855. did Jesus

  1856. have to

  1857. leave

  1858. before the

  1859. Holy Spirit

  1860. comes

  1861. well

  1862. that's easy

  1863. because God

  1864. wanted it to

  1865. be that

  1866. way

  1867. I actually

  1868. don't know

  1869. why

  1870. Jesus had

  1871. to leave

  1872. before the

  1873. Spirit

  1874. comes

  1875. maybe it's

  1876. because Jesus

  1877. was

  1878. yes

  1879. yes

  1880. yes

  1881. yes

  1882. yes

  1883. yes

  1884. yeah

  1885. at a

  1886. at a

  1887. Pentecost

  1888. yeah the

  1889. Spirit

  1890. is poured

  1891. out

  1892. but yeah

  1893. so there's

  1894. the Jesus

  1895. as a

  1896. sense

  1897. and the

  1898. Spirit

  1899. comes

  1900. down

  1901. and the

  1902. Spirit

  1903. in John

  1904. 14

  1905. 26

  1906. is the

  1907. helper

  1908. the

  1909. one

  1910. whom

  1911. the

  1912. Father

  1913. will

  1914. send

  1915. in my

  1916. name

  1917. he

  1918. will

  1919. teach

  1920. you

  1921. all

  1922. things

  1923. and

  1924. bring

  1925. to your

  1926. remembrance

  1927. all that

  1928. I have

  1929. taught

  1930. you

  1931. and so

  1932. the

  1933. Holy Spirit

  1934. teaches

  1935. us

  1936. right

  1937. the

  1938. Spirit

  1939. enables

  1940. them

  1941. to

  1942. remember

  1943. he

  1944. bears

  1945. witness

  1946. with

  1947. our

  1948. spirit

  1949. that

  1950. we

  1951. are

  1952. the

  1953. children

  1954. of

  1955. God

  1956. the

  1957. Holy

  1958. Spirit

  1959. helps

  1960. us

  1961. in

  1962. our

  1963. weakness

  1964. he

  1965. intercedes

  1966. for

  1967. us

  1968. with

  1969. groanings

  1970. too

  1971. deep

  1972. for

  1973. words

  1974. right

  1975. the

  1976. Spirit

  1977. understands

  1978. our

  1979. needs

  1980. and

  1981. Paul

  1982. in

  1983. 1 Corinthians

  1984. 4

  1985. the

  1986. Spirit

  1987. searches

  1988. everything

  1989. he

  1990. knows

  1991. every

  1992. aspect

  1993. of

  1994. the

  1995. depths

  1996. of

  1997. God

  1998. and

  1999. he

  2000. makes

  2001. God

  2002. known

  2003. so

  2004. that's

  2005. one of

  2006. the

  2007. roles

  2008. of the

  2009. Spirit

  2010. is

  2011. to

  2012. make

  2013. God

  2014. known

  2015. he

  2016. applies

  2017. the

  2018. work

  2019. of

  2020. redemption

  2021. in

  2022. our

  2023. hearts

  2024. 1 Corinthians

    1 Corinthians 12:11

  2025. 12

  2026. verse

  2027. 11

  2028. the

  2029. Spirit

  2030. gives

  2031. gifts

  2032. to

  2033. each

  2034. one

  2035. individually

  2036. as

  2037. he

  2038. wills

  2039. so

  2040. the

  2041. Spirit

  2042. gives

  2043. us

  2044. for

  2045. service

  2046. Acts

    Acts 16:6

  2047. 16

  2048. verse

  2049. 6

  2050. Paul

  2051. is

  2052. traveling

  2053. through

  2054. Asia

  2055. as they

  2056. attempted

  2057. to go

  2058. into

  2059. Bithynia

  2060. and it

  2061. says

  2062. the Spirit

  2063. does not

  2064. allow

  2065. them

  2066. to

  2067. go

  2068. and so

  2069. the Spirit

  2070. is preventing

  2071. them from

  2072. going

  2073. somewhere

  2074. the Holy

  2075. Spirit

  2076. talks

  2077. he says

  2078. to

  2079. Philip

  2080. go and

  2081. join

  2082. the

  2083. chariot

  2084. so

  2085. the Spirit

  2086. speaks

  2087. to

  2088. Philip

  2089. and

  2090. of

  2091. course

  2092. the Spirit

  2093. can be

  2094. grieved

  2095. and

  2096. troubled

  2097. by what

  2098. we

  2099. do

  2100. so

  2101. the

  2102. Spirit

  2103. possesses

  2104. full

  2105. deity

  2106. of

  2107. the

  2108. Godhead

  2109. Raul

  2110. mentioned

  2111. earlier

  2112. the

  2113. deity

  2114. of

  2115. the

  2116. Spirit

  2117. in

  2118. the

  2119. work

  2120. of

  2121. creation

  2122. where

  2123. the

  2124. Spirit

  2125. is

  2126. hovering

  2127. over

  2128. the

  2129. waters

  2130. in

  2131. the

  2132. birth

  2133. narratives

  2134. Jesus

  2135. is

  2136. conceived

  2137. by

  2138. the

  2139. Spirit

  2140. the

  2141. Spirit

  2142. leads

  2143. Jesus

  2144. into

  2145. the

  2146. wilderness

  2147. where

  2148. Satan

  2149. tempts

  2150. him

  2151. and

  2152. after

  2153. he

  2154. overcomes

  2155. temptation

  2156. he

  2157. goes

  2158. forth

  2159. in

  2160. So

  2161. the

  2162. Holy

  2163. Spirit

  2164. is

  2165. equally

  2166. God

  2167. and

  2168. distinct

  2169. from

  2170. the

  2171. Father

  2172. and

  2173. the

  2174. Son

  2175. So

  2176. in

  2177. summary

  2178. there's

  2179. one

  2180. God

  2181. there are

  2182. not

  2183. three

  2184. gods

  2185. but

  2186. there's

  2187. one

  2188. God

  2189. but

  2190. there are

  2191. three

  2192. persons

  2193. who

  2194. are

  2195. distinct

  2196. from

  2197. each

  2198. other

  2199. the

  2200. Father

  2201. is

  2202. God

  2203. the

  2204. Son

  2205. is

  2206. God

  2207. the

  2208. Spirit

  2209. is

  2210. God

  2211. but

  2212. the

  2213. Father

  2214. is

  2215. not

  2216. the

  2217. Son

  2218. nor

  2219. the

  2220. Spirit

  2221. the

  2222. Spirit

  2223. is

  2224. not

  2225. the

  2226. Father

  2227. nor

  2228. the

  2229. Son

  2230. they're

  2231. not

  2232. identical

  2233. so

  2234. and

  2235. this

  2236. is

  2237. clear

  2238. from

  2239. Jesus

  2240. in

  2241. the

  2242. Great

  2243. Commission

  2244. all

  2245. authority

  2246. in

  2247. heaven

  2248. and

  2249. on

  2250. earth

  2251. is

  2252. given

  2253. to

  2254. me

  2255. go

  2256. therefore

  2257. make

  2258. disciples

  2259. of

  2260. all

  2261. nations

  2262. baptizing

  2263. in

  2264. the

  2265. name

  2266. the

  2267. one

  2268. name

  2269. of

  2270. the

  2271. Father

  2272. of

  2273. the

  2274. Son

  2275. and

  2276. of

  2277. the

  2278. Holy

  2279. Spirit

  2280. teaching

  2281. them

  2282. to

  2283. observe

  2284. all

  2285. that

  2286. I

  2287. have

  2288. commanded

  2289. so

  2290. there's

  2291. one

  2292. God

  2293. in

  2294. three

  2295. persons

  2296. so

  2297. let's

  2298. say

  2299. something

  2300. about

  2301. some

  2302. common

  2303. mistakes

  2304. that

  2305. analogies

  2306. I

  2307. want

  2308. to

  2309. get

  2310. to

  2311. analogies

  2312. so

  2313. we

  2314. can

  2315. say

  2316. that

  2317. analogies

  2318. could

  2319. be

  2320. helpful

  2321. right

  2322. if

  2323. you

  2324. an

  2325. analogy

  2326. might

  2327. help

  2328. you

  2329. understand

  2330. some

  2331. of

  2332. this

  2333. oneness

  2334. and

  2335. threeness

  2336. but

  2337. I

  2338. think

  2339. if

  2340. we

  2341. go

  2342. right

  2343. to

  2344. the

  2345. analogy

  2346. we

  2347. actually

  2348. end

  2349. up

  2350. misrepresenting

  2351. the

  2352. triunity

  2353. of

  2354. God

  2355. so

  2356. Christians

  2357. will

  2358. say

  2359. well

  2360. God

  2361. is

  2362. one

  2363. but

  2364. he

  2365. appears

  2366. in

  2367. three

  2368. different

  2369. forms

  2370. right

  2371. so

  2372. oftentimes

  2373. this

  2374. mistake

  2375. is done

  2376. when we

  2377. start

  2378. analogizing

  2379. God

  2380. has

  2381. three

  2382. different

  2383. masks

  2384. that

  2385. he

  2386. puts

  2387. on

  2388. that's

  2389. called

  2390. modalism

  2391. yes

  2392. God

  2393. appears

  2394. in

  2395. different

  2396. modes

  2397. and

  2398. so

  2399. God

  2400. is

  2401. like

  2402. H2O

  2403. sometimes

  2404. he's

  2405. water

  2406. sometimes

  2407. he's

  2408. ice

  2409. sometimes

  2410. he's

  2411. steam

  2412. and

  2413. that's

  2414. kind

  2415. of

  2416. water

  2417. is

  2418. appearing

  2419. in

  2420. different

  2421. forms

  2422. but

  2423. the

  2424. problem

  2425. is

  2426. if

  2427. water

  2428. can

  2429. turn

  2430. into

  2431. steam

  2432. but

  2433. can

  2434. the

  2435. father

  2436. turn

  2437. himself

  2438. into

  2439. the

  2440. spirit

  2441. no

  2442. he

  2443. can't

  2444. and

  2445. there's

  2446. no

  2447. situation

  2448. where

  2449. it's

  2450. water

  2451. steam

  2452. and

  2453. ice

  2454. and

  2455. they're

  2456. all

  2457. three

  2458. at

  2459. once

  2460. right

  2461. so

  2462. it's

  2463. not

  2464. it's

  2465. not

  2466. like

  2467. the

  2468. it's

  2469. not

  2470. a

  2471. good

  2472. analogy

  2473. for

  2474. the

  2475. trinity

  2476. although

  2477. we

  2478. can

  2479. that

  2480. might

  2481. be

  2482. helpful

  2483. but

  2484. it

  2485. ultimately

  2486. falls

  2487. short

  2488. God

  2489. can't

  2490. turn

  2491. himself

  2492. into

  2493. the

  2494. spirit

  2495. because

  2496. God

  2497. is

  2498. the

  2499. spirit

  2500. there

  2501. is

  2502. no

  2503. turning

  2504. he

  2505. is

  2506. yes

  2507. one

  2508. is

  2509. like

  2510. a

  2511. man

  2512. who

  2513. is

  2514. a

  2515. father

  2516. and

  2517. a

  2518. brother

  2519. and

  2520. a

  2521. son

  2522. all

  2523. together

  2524. right

  2525. so

  2526. I'm

  2527. a

  2528. man

  2529. I'm

  2530. also

  2531. a

  2532. father

  2533. I'm

  2534. a

  2535. husband

  2536. I'm

  2537. a

  2538. son

  2539. three

  2540. in

  2541. one

  2542. right

  2543. well

  2544. that

  2545. doesn't

  2546. work

  2547. either

  2548. because

  2549. that

  2550. denies

  2551. the

  2552. distinctions

  2553. within

  2554. the

  2555. Godhead

  2556. it's

  2557. that

  2558. doesn't

  2559. so

  2560. all

  2561. analogies

  2562. ultimately

  2563. fail

  2564. us

  2565. I

  2566. haven't

  2567. heard

  2568. of

  2569. a

  2570. good

  2571. analogy

  2572. I

  2573. mean

  2574. they

  2575. could

  2576. be

  2577. comprehension

  2578. and

  2579. it's

  2580. that

  2581. makes

  2582. sense

  2583. doesn't

  2584. it

  2585. if

  2586. God

  2587. says

  2588. that

  2589. my

  2590. ways

  2591. are

  2592. not

  2593. your

  2594. ways

  2595. my

  2596. thoughts

  2597. are

  2598. above

  2599. your

  2600. thoughts

  2601. of

  2602. course

  2603. we're

  2604. not

  2605. going to

  2606. find

  2607. an

  2608. analogy

  2609. that

  2610. perfectly

  2611. corresponds

  2612. one to

  2613. one

  2614. with

  2615. who

  2616. God

  2617. is

  2618. yeah

  2619. yeah

  2620. yeah

  2621. words

  2622. escape

  2623. us

  2624. words

  2625. escape

  2626. us

  2627. try

  2628. to

  2629. define

  2630. who

  2631. God

  2632. is

  2633. and

  2634. what

  2635. he

  2636. is

  2637. the

  2638. words

  2639. fail

  2640. I

  2641. got

  2642. it

  2643. up

  2644. here

  2645. I

  2646. just

  2647. don't

  2648. have

  2649. it

  2650. when

  2651. the

  2652. words

  2653. come

  2654. out

  2655. yes

  2656. yes

  2657. like

  2658. Augustine

  2659. said

  2660. what is

  2661. needed

  2662. is a

  2663. loving

  2664. profession

  2665. of

  2666. ignorance

  2667. rather

  2668. than a

  2669. rash

  2670. profession

  2671. of

  2672. knowledge

  2673. yeah

  2674. we need

  2675. to

  2676. profess

  2677. our

  2678. ignorance

  2679. and

  2680. not

  2681. like

  2682. rashly

  2683. professed

  2684. our

  2685. knowledge

  2686. of

  2687. the

  2688. matter

  2689. yeah

  2690. so

  2691. let's

  2692. pause

  2693. for a

  2694. moment

  2695. and ask

  2696. ourselves

  2697. how does

  2698. the plurality

  2699. of God

  2700. help us

  2701. understand

  2702. God's

  2703. character

  2704. because this

  2705. is an

  2706. attributes

  2707. of God

  2708. class

  2709. how does

  2710. that help

  2711. us

  2712. understand

  2713. God's

  2714. character

  2715. God

  2716. well

  2717. there's a

  2718. big

  2719. difference

  2720. between

  2721. the

  2722. conception

  2723. of

  2724. Allah

  2725. and

  2726. a

  2727. Christian's

  2728. view

  2729. of

  2730. the

  2731. triune

  2732. God

  2733. so

  2734. if we

  2735. deny

  2736. the

  2737. trinity

  2738. and

  2739. let's

  2740. say

  2741. God

  2742. was

  2743. like

  2744. Allah

  2745. God

  2746. would

  2747. need

  2748. his

  2749. creation

  2750. to be

  2751. loving

  2752. would

  2753. he

  2754. not

  2755. can

  2756. you

  2757. love

  2758. anything

  2759. if you

  2760. have been

  2761. in solitary

  2762. confinement

  2763. since

  2764. eternity

  2765. past

  2766. no

  2767. you

  2768. need

  2769. an

  2770. object

  2771. to

  2772. love

  2773. to

  2774. be

  2775. loving

  2776. and

  2777. the

  2778. scripture

  2779. presents

  2780. the

  2781. father

  2782. son

  2783. and

  2784. spirit

  2785. being

  2786. in

  2787. eternal

  2788. relationship

  2789. and

  2790. fellowship

  2791. with

  2792. each

  2793. other

  2794. in

  2795. eternity

  2796. past

  2797. they

  2798. have

  2799. loved

  2800. each

  2801. other

  2802. from

  2803. eternity

  2804. past

  2805. it's

  2806. out of

  2807. this

  2808. love

  2809. and

  2810. joy

  2811. that

  2812. they

  2813. create

  2814. the

  2815. world

  2816. or

  2817. else

  2818. if

  2819. they

  2820. weren't

  2821. together

  2822. in a way

  2823. you'd

  2824. have to

  2825. say

  2826. God

  2827. needs

  2828. creation

  2829. to be

  2830. loving

  2831. but

  2832. that's

  2833. not

  2834. it's

  2835. like

  2836. in

  2837. C.S.

  2838. Lewis's

  2839. Narnia

  2840. the

  2841. magician's

  2842. nephew

  2843. Aslan

  2844. sings

  2845. creation

  2846. into

  2847. existence

  2848. it's

  2849. a happy

  2850. voice

  2851. out

  2852. of

  2853. love

  2854. and

  2855. it's

  2856. as if

  2857. God

  2858. sings

  2859. the

  2860. world

  2861. into

  2862. existence

  2863. in

  2864. Genesis

  2865. 1

  2866. and

  2867. it's

  2868. out

  2869. of

  2870. this

  2871. love

  2872. and

  2873. joy

  2874. that

  2875. he

  2876. makes

  2877. us

  2878. and

  2879. it's

  2880. in

  2881. Christ

  2882. God

  2883. is

  2884. drawing

  2885. us

  2886. into

  2887. that

  2888. three

  2889. person

  2890. love

  2891. that

  2892. has

  2893. always

  2894. existed

  2895. to

  2896. have

  2897. the

  2898. sweet

  2899. fellowship

  2900. with

  2901. the

  2902. Trinity

  2903. the

  2904. father

  2905. when he

  2906. views

  2907. us

  2908. in

  2909. Christ

  2910. has

  2911. the

  2912. same

  2913. love

  2914. for

  2915. us

  2916. as

  2917. he

  2918. does

  2919. for

  2920. his

  2921. very

  2922. own

  2923. son

  2924. he's

  2925. drawing

  2926. us

  2927. into

  2928. that

  2929. three

  2930. person

  2931. world

  2932. of

  2933. love

  2934. that

  2935. has

  2936. always

  2937. existed

  2938. from

  2939. eternity

  2940. past

  2941. and

  2942. God

  2943. and we

  2944. could

  2945. understand

  2946. that

  2947. God

  2948. was

  2949. the

  2950. father

  2951. was

  2952. eternally

  2953. a

  2954. father

  2955. right

  2956. he

  2957. didn't

  2958. become

  2959. a

  2960. father

  2961. once

  2962. creation

  2963. was

  2964. was

  2965. done

  2966. in

  2967. Genesis

  2968. 1

  2969. he

  2970. was

  2971. always

  2972. a

  2973. father

  2974. and

  2975. the

  2976. son

  2977. was

  2978. always

  2979. a

  2980. son

  2981. who

  2982. loved

  2983. his

  2984. father

  2985. and

  2986. honored

  2987. him

  2988. and

  2989. so

  2990. God

  2991. is

  2992. a

  2993. God

  2994. of

  2995. love

  2996. because

  2997. God

  2998. is

  2999. a

  3000. triune

  3001. God

  3002. and

  3003. we

  3004. are

  3005. created

  3006. in

  3007. the

  3008. image

  3009. of

  3010. God

  3011. ought

  3012. we

  3013. not

  3014. to

  3015. do

  3016. the

  3017. same

  3018. right

  3019. so

  3020. we're

  3021. created

  3022. in

  3023. this

  3024. triune

  3025. God

  3026. image

  3027. and

  3028. we

  3029. ought

  3030. to

  3031. be

  3032. loving

  3033. each

  3034. other

  3035. so

  3036. let me

  3037. speak

  3038. to

  3039. fathers

  3040. just

  3041. for a

  3042. moment

  3043. fathers

  3044. or

  3045. future

  3046. fathers

  3047. in

  3048. some

  3049. families

  3050. the

  3051. father

  3052. is

  3053. absent

  3054. right

  3055. or

  3056. uninvolved

  3057. in

  3058. their

  3059. children's

  3060. lives

  3061. in

  3062. some

  3063. cases

  3064. I've

  3065. known

  3066. men

  3067. who

  3068. have

  3069. never

  3070. heard

  3071. their

  3072. father

  3073. say

  3074. I

  3075. love

  3076. you

  3077. the

  3078. father

  3079. never

  3080. said

  3081. it

  3082. yeah

  3083. never

  3084. said

  3085. it

  3086. what

  3087. a

  3088. distortion

  3089. of

  3090. the

  3091. character

  3092. of

  3093. God

  3094. the

  3095. father

  3096. right

  3097. as

  3098. the

  3099. father

  3100. said

  3101. to

  3102. the

  3103. son

  3104. you

  3105. are

  3106. my

  3107. beloved

  3108. son

  3109. in

  3110. whom

  3111. I

  3112. am

  3113. well

  3114. pleased

  3115. as

  3116. the

  3117. father

  3118. said

  3119. that

  3120. to

  3121. the

  3122. son

  3123. we

  3124. as

  3125. fathers

  3126. should

  3127. say

  3128. the

  3129. same

  3130. right

  3131. to

  3132. our

  3133. children

  3134. and

  3135. that's

  3136. the

  3137. character

  3138. of

  3139. the

  3140. father

  3141. that

  3142. we

  3143. are

  3144. imaging

  3145. as

  3146. fathers

  3147. and

  3148. I

  3149. just

  3150. so

  3151. fathers

  3152. just

  3153. be

  3154. obnoxious

  3155. about

  3156. this

  3157. right

  3158. we

  3159. need

  3160. to

  3161. be

  3162. constantly

  3163. saying

  3164. this

  3165. to

  3166. our

  3167. kids

  3168. tell

  3169. your

  3170. kids

  3171. that

  3172. you

  3173. love

  3174. them

  3175. you

  3176. delight

  3177. in

  3178. them

  3179. every

  3180. single

  3181. day

  3182. don't

  3183. just

  3184. tell

  3185. them

  3186. that

  3187. you

  3188. love

  3189. them

  3190. but

  3191. actually

  3192. love

  3193. them

  3194. and

  3195. if

  3196. you

  3197. have

  3198. young

  3199. kids

  3200. play

  3201. with

  3202. your

  3203. kids

  3204. I

  3205. think

  3206. that's

  3207. teaching

  3208. a

  3209. profound

  3210. lesson

  3211. about

  3212. the

  3213. nature

  3214. of

  3215. God

  3216. and

  3217. God

  3218. the

  3219. father

  3220. when

  3221. fathers

  3222. take

  3223. on

  3224. the

  3225. role

  3226. of

  3227. loving

  3228. care

  3229. for

  3230. their

  3231. children

  3232. and

  3233. we

  3234. are

  3235. imaging

  3236. the

  3237. triune

  3238. nature

  3239. of

  3240. God

  3241. as

  3242. Raul

  3243. said

  3244. our

  3245. faith

  3246. is

  3247. Trinitarian

  3248. at

  3249. its

  3250. core

  3251. so

  3252. whoever

  3253. has

  3254. saving

  3255. faith

  3256. has

  3257. been

  3258. drawn

  3259. by

  3260. the

  3261. father

  3262. moved

  3263. by

  3264. the

  3265. spirit

  3266. to

  3267. confess

  3268. Jesus

  3269. is

  3270. lord

  3271. of

  3272. all

  3273. and

  3274. forgiveness

  3275. happens

  3276. because

  3277. the

  3278. father

  3279. puts

  3280. forward

  3281. the

  3282. son

  3283. the

  3284. righteous

  3285. one

  3286. in

  3287. exchange

  3288. for

  3289. the

  3290. unrighteous

  3291. and

  3292. satisfies

  3293. God's

  3294. wrath

  3295. against

  3296. sin

  3297. and

  3298. the

  3299. spirit

  3300. applies

  3301. that

  3302. work

  3303. of

  3304. redemption

  3305. to

  3306. our

  3307. hearts

  3308. so

  3309. it's

  3310. one

  3311. unified

  3312. program

  3313. right

  3314. the

  3315. spirit

  3316. intercedes

  3317. for

  3318. us

  3319. bringing

  3320. our

  3321. prayers

  3322. to

  3323. the

  3324. father

  3325. in

  3326. groanings

  3327. too

  3328. deep

  3329. for

  3330. words

  3331. as

  3332. Jesus

  3333. our

  3334. great

  3335. high

  3336. priest

  3337. always

  3338. lives

  3339. to

  3340. make

  3341. intercession

  3342. for

  3343. us

  3344. always

  3345. working

  3346. as

  3347. one

  3348. amen

  3349. so

  3350. who

  3351. should

  3352. we

  3353. pray

  3354. to

  3355. the

  3356. father

  3357. the

  3358. son

  3359. and

  3360. the

  3361. holy

  3362. spirit

  3363. who

  3364. should

  3365. we

  3366. pray

  3367. to

  3368. yes

  3369. yeah

  3370. yeah

  3371. yeah

  3372. exactly

  3373. amen

  3374. brother

  3375. yes

  3376. pray

  3377. I'll

  3378. just

  3379. say

  3380. it's

  3381. okay

  3382. to

  3383. pray

  3384. to

  3385. the

  3386. father

  3387. son

  3388. or

  3389. spirit

  3390. but

  3391. I

  3392. will

  3393. say

  3394. Jesus

  3395. pray

  3396. to

  3397. the

  3398. father

  3399. a

  3400. lot

  3401. and

  3402. I

  3403. think

  3404. the

  3405. pattern

  3406. is

  3407. praying

  3408. to

  3409. the

  3410. father

  3411. through

  3412. the

  3413. son

  3414. by

  3415. the

  3416. spirit

  3417. but

  3418. we

  3419. also

  3420. have

  3421. examples

  3422. where

  3423. Stephen

  3424. is

  3425. praying

  3426. to

  3427. the

  3428. Lord

  3429. Jesus

  3430. in

  3431. Acts

  3432. so

  3433. even

  3434. though

  3435. they're

  3436. all

  3437. three

  3438. they're

  3439. three

  3440. in

  3441. one

  3442. one

  3443. in

  3444. three

  3445. there

  3446. is

  3447. a

  3448. pattern

  3449. that

  3450. we're

  3451. praying

  3452. to

  3453. the

  3454. father

  3455. through

  3456. the

  3457. son

  3458. by

  3459. the

  3460. holy

  3461. spirit

  3462. but

  3463. having

  3464. said

  3465. that

  3466. it

  3467. is

  3468. okay

  3469. to

  3470. pray

  3471. to

  3472. you

  3473. know

  3474. but

  3475. Jesus

  3476. could

  3477. he

  3478. can

  3479. only

  3480. pray

  3481. to

  3482. the

  3483. father

  3484. he

  3485. can't

  3486. pray

  3487. to

  3488. himself

  3489. right

  3490. yeah

  3491. he's

  3492. the

  3493. trinity

  3494. he's

  3495. part

  3496. of

  3497. the

  3498. trinity

  3499. pray

  3500. to

  3501. yourself

  3502. yeah

  3503. our

  3504. father

  3505. in

  3506. heaven

  3507. yeah

  3508. so

  3509. so

  3510. I

  3511. want to

  3512. throw

  3513. this

  3514. out

  3515. a

  3516. question

  3517. so

  3518. other

  3519. ways

  3520. that

  3521. the

  3522. trinity

  3523. helps

  3524. us

  3525. to

  3526. understand

  3527. something

  3528. about

  3529. ourselves

  3530. made

  3531. in

  3532. the

  3533. image

  3534. of

  3535. God

  3536. so

  3537. how

  3538. does

  3539. the

  3540. trinity

  3541. help

  3542. us

  3543. understand

  3544. something

  3545. about

  3546. ourselves

  3547. made

  3548. in

  3549. God's

  3550. image

  3551. I'll

  3552. say

  3553. that

  3554. something

  3555. I love

  3556. about

  3557. the

  3558. trinity

  3559. is

  3560. this

  3561. idea

  3562. that

  3563. God

  3564. is

  3565. ruling

  3566. and in

  3567. charge

  3568. but

  3569. God

  3570. also

  3571. knows

  3572. what

  3573. it's

  3574. like

  3575. to

  3576. submit

  3577. and

  3578. to

  3579. honor

  3580. like

  3581. the

  3582. son

  3583. honors

  3584. the

  3585. father

  3586. and

  3587. we're

  3588. called

  3589. to

  3590. do

  3591. that

  3592. but

  3593. God

  3594. has

  3595. been

  3596. doing

  3597. that

  3598. from

  3599. eternity

  3600. in

  3601. person

  3602. of

  3603. Jesus

  3604. to

  3605. the

  3606. father

  3607. yeah

  3608. so

  3609. that

  3610. reflects

  3611. us

  3612. as

  3613. our

  3614. calling

  3615. and

  3616. we

  3617. all

  3618. are

  3619. in

  3620. charge

  3621. of

  3622. certain

  3623. things

  3624. as

  3625. well

  3626. we have

  3627. that

  3628. father

  3629. aspect

  3630. also

  3631. yeah

  3632. so

  3633. submission

  3634. to

  3635. authority

  3636. isn't

  3637. inherently

  3638. dehumanizing

  3639. as

  3640. some

  3641. would

  3642. say

  3643. because

  3644. the

  3645. son

  3646. submits

  3647. himself

  3648. to

  3649. the

  3650. father

  3651. yeah

  3652. it's

  3653. true

  3654. yeah

  3655. I've

  3656. always

  3657. had

  3658. this

  3659. problem

  3660. that

  3661. I

  3662. always

  3663. ask

  3664. myself

  3665. did

  3666. Jesus

  3667. save

  3668. did

  3669. God

  3670. save

  3671. me

  3672. because

  3673. he

  3674. liked

  3675. me

  3676. because

  3677. he

  3678. loved

  3679. me

  3680. because

  3681. I

  3682. got a

  3683. lot

  3684. of

  3685. Christian

  3686. brothers

  3687. and

  3688. sisters

  3689. that

  3690. I

  3691. just

  3692. don't

  3693. like

  3694. but

  3695. I'm

  3696. called

  3697. to

  3698. love

  3699. them

  3700. yeah

  3701. you know

  3702. I mean

  3703. I'm sure

  3704. there's a lot

  3705. that's not

  3706. likable about

  3707. me

  3708. a lot

  3709. of people

  3710. but

  3711. they're

  3712. called

  3713. to love

  3714. me

  3715. and I'm

  3716. called

  3717. to love

  3718. them

  3719. and that's

  3720. a big

  3721. mystery

  3722. you know

  3723. yeah

  3724. yeah

  3725. yeah

  3726. yeah

  3727. yeah

  3728. yeah

  3729. Ivor

  3730. that whole

  3731. thing is no

  3732. mystery

  3733. you need

  3734. to come

  3735. from a

  3736. large

  3737. family

  3738. I don't

  3739. like that

  3740. but you

  3741. love them

  3742. you love

  3743. them

  3744. I think

  3745. that

  3746. there's

  3747. something

  3748. too

  3749. that

  3750. our

  3751. three in

  3752. one

  3753. God

  3754. was a

  3755. family

  3756. before

  3757. creation

  3758. but then

  3759. that he

  3760. is our

  3761. creator

  3762. that means

  3763. we belong

  3764. to him

  3765. or

  3766. so

  3767. probably

  3768. I struggle

  3769. a lot

  3770. too

  3771. with whether

  3772. God likes

  3773. me

  3774. or not

  3775. but he

  3776. doesn't

  3777. think

  3778. he created

  3779. us

  3780. in his

  3781. image

  3782. yeah

  3783. that image

  3784. is marred

  3785. by sin

  3786. but he

  3787. restores

  3788. that

  3789. right

  3790. like there's

  3791. there's no

  3792. need to hate

  3793. myself

  3794. because God

  3795. restores the

  3796. goodness

  3797. in me

  3798. I resist

  3799. I make it

  3800. slower

  3801. sometimes

  3802. but he's

  3803. patient

  3804. so

  3805. yeah

  3806. God is

  3807. God is a

  3808. family God

  3809. and he

  3810. doesn't mind

  3811. dealing

  3812. he came down

  3813. into our

  3814. space

  3815. to deal

  3816. with the

  3817. mess

  3818. and to

  3819. live with

  3820. us

  3821. brings

  3822. the

  3823. transcendent

  3824. I think

  3825. I wonder

  3826. if that

  3827. tension

  3828. of

  3829. light

  3830. and love

  3831. I think

  3832. also

  3833. helps

  3834. or

  3835. reflects

  3836. the tension

  3837. between

  3838. us being

  3839. justified

  3840. and sanctified

  3841. I think

  3842. in the sense

  3843. in which

  3844. God loves

  3845. us

  3846. but like

  3847. Abraham

  3848. in some

  3849. way was

  3850. a friend

  3851. of God

  3852. there is

  3853. a place

  3854. of being

  3855. known

  3856. and like

  3857. you know

  3858. who

  3859. and when

  3860. Jesus

  3861. talks about

  3862. those who

  3863. obey my

  3864. commandments

  3865. and I

  3866. think when

  3867. we sin

  3868. we suffer

  3869. his displeasure

  3870. and I

  3871. think it's

  3872. fair to

  3873. say in

  3874. those moments

  3875. like

  3876. maybe he

  3877. wouldn't

  3878. like us

  3879. the same

  3880. way we

  3881. think about

  3882. others

  3883. but I

  3884. think the

  3885. bedrock

  3886. of love

  3887. doesn't

  3888. change

  3889. what

  3890. changes

  3891. is the

  3892. nuance

  3893. of

  3894. you say

  3895. fellowship

  3896. for

  3897. life

  3898. and

  3899. so

  3900. I

  3901. think

  3902. it's

  3903. a way

  3904. to think

  3905. about

  3906. those two

  3907. times

  3908. when we

  3909. distance

  3910. from God

  3911. because of

  3912. our sin

  3913. and our

  3914. sin makes

  3915. us feel

  3916. distant

  3917. from God

  3918. and God

  3919. is essentially

  3920. using that

  3921. as a way

  3922. to draw us

  3923. close to him

  3924. but I

  3925. don't know

  3926. that it

  3927. is

  3928. and to

  3929. purify

  3930. it

  3931. I think

  3932. both of

  3933. those

  3934. perceptions

  3935. do have

  3936. a role

  3937. in reminding

  3938. us that

  3939. the goal

  3940. is to

  3941. grow deeper

  3942. in fellowship

  3943. and in love

  3944. with God

  3945. but it

  3946. starts with

  3947. the bedrock

  3948. of his

  3949. love for us

  3950. and actually

  3951. without that

  3952. that idea

  3953. of being like

  3954. by him

  3955. is not even

  3956. possible

  3957. I think

  3958. we can't

  3959. destroy the

  3960. dignity

  3961. we've been

  3962. given as

  3963. made in God's

  3964. image

  3965. that's

  3966. been really

  3967. important for

  3968. me

  3969. is

  3970. his

  3971. displeasure

  3972. lasts for a

  3973. moment

  3974. but his

  3975. love

  3976. lasts for a

  3977. moment

  3978. I was reading

  3979. a book by

  3980. Michael Horton

  3981. I got it

  3982. downstairs in

  3983. my lending

  3984. library

  3985. when the

  3986. apostles

  3987. or the

  3988. disciples

  3989. were in

  3990. the boat

  3991. in the

  3992. sea of

  3993. Galilee

  3994. and the

  3995. waves came

  3996. up

  3997. and they

  3998. were

  3999. master

  4000. master

  4001. we're

  4002. going to

  4003. drown

  4004. wake up

  4005. and he

  4006. was just

  4007. asleep

  4008. and Michael

  4009. Horton

  4010. in one of

  4011. his books

  4012. in the

  4013. face of

  4014. God

  4015. the dangers

  4016. of spiritual

  4017. intimacy

  4018. talks about

  4019. oh the

  4020. waves are

  4021. getting big

  4022. let's wake

  4023. them up

  4024. we might

  4025. drown

  4026. no it

  4027. was a

  4028. dreaded

  4029. fear

  4030. when

  4031. Job

  4032. was before

  4033. God

  4034. in the

  4035. pillar

  4036. of the

  4037. cloud

  4038. or when

  4039. Moses saw

  4040. the backside

  4041. of God

  4042. it was

  4043. like

  4044. this

  4045. gentle

  4046. man

  4047. in the

  4048. front

  4049. of this

  4050. boat

  4051. can kill

  4052. us

  4053. it's not

  4054. the water

  4055. that we

  4056. should be

  4057. afraid of

  4058. or the

  4059. wind that

  4060. he stopped

  4061. it's him

  4062. it's him

  4063. and he

  4064. loves us

  4065. but he

  4066. can just

  4067. like

  4068. in a

  4069. second

  4070. but he

  4071. doesn't

  4072. you know

  4073. it's like

  4074. wow

  4075. our God

  4076. is a

  4077. consuming

  4078. fire

  4079. yet he

  4080. loves us

  4081. and stoops

  4082. and loves

  4083. us

  4084. it just

  4085. blows my

  4086. mind

  4087. yeah

  4088. yeah

  4089. you know

  4090. he's crazy

  4091. around

  4092. it is

  4093. interesting

  4094. that the

  4095. first reaction

  4096. that people

  4097. in the

  4098. Bible have

  4099. when they

  4100. see

  4101. God

  4102. is not

  4103. of like

  4104. this is

  4105. great

  4106. but like

  4107. fear

  4108. right

  4109. like

  4110. I'm a

  4111. man of

  4112. unclean

  4113. lips

  4114. you're

  4115. going to

  4116. destroy

  4117. God

  4118. but then

  4119. God

  4120. invites

  4121. him

  4122. he

  4123. he

  4124. washes

  4125. him

  4126. clean

  4127. invites

  4128. him

  4129. in

  4130. so

  4131. it's

  4132. this

  4133. yeah

  4134. his

  4135. holiness

  4136. is

  4137. the

  4138. basis

  4139. of

  4140. our

  4141. our

  4142. fear

  4143. but his

  4144. holiness

  4145. actually

  4146. draws us

  4147. in

  4148. into

  4149. fellowship

  4150. with

  4151. him

  4152. yeah

  4153. yeah

  4154. it's an

  4155. amazing

  4156. it's like a

  4157. three-year-old

  4158. kid watching

  4159. his son

  4160. his father

  4161. who was a

  4162. lumberjack

  4163. cut lumber

  4164. and he said

  4165. this is my

  4166. daddy

  4167. he can

  4168. destroy me

  4169. but he

  4170. loves me

  4171. yeah

  4172. he'll never

  4173. hurt me

  4174. right

  4175. yeah

  4176. you know

  4177. and it's like

  4178. that's how we

  4179. should be

  4180. with God

  4181. yeah

  4182. yeah

  4183. all this

  4184. truck

  4185. but he

  4186. won't

  4187. hurt us

  4188. yeah

  4189. yeah

  4190. yeah

  4191. he already

  4192. he struck

  4193. the sun

  4194. once

  4195. he won't

  4196. he won't

  4197. strike us

  4198. a second

  4199. time

  4200. yes

  4201. amen

  4202. brother

  4203. let me just

  4204. finish up

  4205. and I

  4206. have just a

  4207. few more

  4208. thoughts

  4209. we

  4210. imitate

  4211. the journey

  4212. in our

  4213. life

  4214. together

  4215. in our

  4216. families

  4217. and at

  4218. the

  4219. church

  4220. when we

  4221. mutually

  4222. love one

  4223. another

  4224. in the

  4225. church

  4226. we're

  4227. imaging

  4228. something

  4229. of God

  4230. himself

  4231. for people

  4232. outside

  4233. the church

  4234. as in

  4235. each

  4236. plays

  4237. as part

  4238. in the

  4239. grand play

  4240. of redemption

  4241. something

  4242. like

  4243. who God

  4244. is

  4245. between the

  4246. father son

  4247. and spirit

  4248. and we

  4249. said our

  4250. marriages

  4251. model something

  4252. of eternity

  4253. the wife

  4254. is not

  4255. inferior

  4256. and the

  4257. husband

  4258. is not

  4259. inferior

  4260. the children

  4261. are not

  4262. inferior

  4263. even though

  4264. they may

  4265. work differently

  4266. in the house

  4267. right

  4268. we're all

  4269. creating the

  4270. image of God

  4271. even if some

  4272. of us play

  4273. different roles

  4274. than others

  4275. and finally

  4276. the Trinity

  4277. should curb

  4278. intellectual pride

  4279. God calls

  4280. us to faith

  4281. in the absence

  4282. of a comprehensive

  4283. explanation

  4284. God is one

  4285. God is three

  4286. it doesn't

  4287. explain how

  4288. this is

  4289. and

  4290. as Christians

  4291. we receive it

  4292. by faith

  4293. someone once

  4294. asked a man

  4295. Daniel Webster

  4296. a prominent

  4297. orator

  4298. in the 19th

  4299. century

  4300. how a man

  4301. of his intellect

  4302. could believe

  4303. in contradiction

  4304. that three

  4305. equals one

  4306. Webster

  4307. replied

  4308. I do not

  4309. fully

  4310. pretend to

  4311. understand

  4312. the arithmetic

  4313. of heaven

  4314. now

  4315. but the

  4316. doctrine

  4317. of the

  4318. Trinity

  4319. doesn't

  4320. mean that

  4321. three

  4322. equals

  4323. it's not

  4324. a contradiction

  4325. but it

  4326. does show

  4327. a humility

  4328. in approaching

  4329. the subject

  4330. and so

  4331. with that

  4332. friends

  4333. we've reached

  4334. a little

  4335. bit

  4336. there's so

  4337. much more

  4338. we can

  4339. plumb the

  4340. depths of

  4341. and that's

  4342. why we

  4343. worship an

  4344. awesome

  4345. God

  4346. who is

  4347. beyond

  4348. our

  4349. finite

  4350. comprehension

  4351. so let me

  4352. pray

  4353. and if there's

  4354. any other

  4355. questions

  4356. we can do

  4357. that

  4358. Father in

  4359. heaven

  4360. we do

  4361. thank you

  4362. for the

  4363. light of

  4364. understanding

  4365. by your

  4366. word

  4367. by special

  4368. revelation

  4369. you reveal

  4370. yourself to

  4371. us

  4372. and you

  4373. are not

  4374. a God

  4375. that we

  4376. could just

  4377. create

  4378. out of a

  4379. figment

  4380. of our

  4381. imagination

  4382. Lord

  4383. you are

  4384. an awesome

  4385. God

  4386. beyond all

  4387. our

  4388. highest

  4389. thoughts

  4390. help us

  4391. to have

  4392. humility

  4393. as we

  4394. worship

  4395. you

  4396. Father

  4397. Son

  4398. and

  4399. spirits

  4400. and that

  4401. we would

  4402. honor you

  4403. Lord

  4404. with our

  4405. lives

  4406. in Jesus

  4407. name

  4408. amen

  4409. all right

  4410. thank you

  4411. friends

  4412. thanks

  4413. brother

  4414. thank you

  4415. thank you

  4416. thank you

  4417. thank you