Sermon
Know Your Family Tree: Turning Points in Church History
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Well, last week I had a similar handout introducing you to three columns.
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The first column was the early church, that period that discussed the doctrine of the Trinity in particular,
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and their kind of summary phrase,
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under the relations written down in the phrase,
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Christ with us.
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In the Reformation period, they assumed all the insights that had emerged in the early church,
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but their questions were much more focused on what is grace and therefore what is the church for.
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So if the earliest period of the church summarised its struggles, its thinking with the phrase,
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Christ with us, then the Reformation period can summarise its debates,
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Christ for us, or Christ instead of us, Christ for our life.
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But after a couple hundred years of Protestantism,
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people realised that believing in justification by grace to the faith
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probably wasn't enough to establish a lively faith, a closed walk of the Lord.
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So these Christians of the 18th century, we might call them Gentiles,
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and so I said, yes, of course Christ with us, of course Christ for us,
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but we must not forget Christ in us.
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And they talked up the role of the Spirit,
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especially in adorning the world that was newly recreated under enlightened conditions.
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I think that the summary is really useful as a code map
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on which we can further details in the new ones.
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Today we're doing much the same thing.
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We're not thinking about three turning points as much as we can,
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three cultural moments that have shaped that final column from last week.
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So these three cultural moments that have shaped the movement,
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you might summarise as the Enlightenment,
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something that you've never done instead,
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it's the same thing.
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The cultural movement called Romanticism,
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and the cultural movement called Modernism,
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perhaps post-Modernism.
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Please note, just in those circles,
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I'm going to pay.
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Student in modernity and modernism are different.
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We all like being very modern,
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and we keep trying to find new ways of using the word modern to describe that.
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But these three moments
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are more like soundtracks from the culture
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rather than decisions that Christians have made
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to reform or renew their church.
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Just imagine this.
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You see on a video
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a man and woman, arm in arm,
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walking down a street at night in Paris,
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and the background music are violins.
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You know that they've just had a good meal together,
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they love each other,
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they're comfortable with each other,
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and they're going home together.
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But if that same visual scene were played,
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not with violins in the background,
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but screechy, screechy cellos,
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you'd know that walking down this dark street at night,
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they're about to get mugged.
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The music is warning you
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that something is going to happen any minute now
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that you have to be aware of, right?
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The very same visual
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can mean something different
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according to the soundtrack,
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the music that's played in the background.
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Evangelicals, these people from the 18th century,
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who wanted to work out
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how to have a close walk with the Lord
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under modern conditions,
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have had to stare down a few cultural shifts.
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Background music that actually shaped them
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more than probably they wanted to be shaped,
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or shaped us
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more than actually we probably wanted to be shaped.
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These background soundtracks are
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Enlightenment, Romances, and Modernism.
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Now, of these three,
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the first two have been well documented.
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The third is not so well documented,
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and it's something that I've been working on
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for the last couple of years.
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So what did the Enlightenment do
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to Christians
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who were wanting a close walk with the Lord,
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an experience of the Lord in their heart?
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Well, the Enlightenment
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talked up human rationality,
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human sense perception,
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human experience, if you will,
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perhaps summarised
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with a focus on the mind.
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Its characteristic was to help
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human beings throw off
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external authority,
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and especially throw off the church,
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which represented forces
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that were keeping people back.
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So that humans could trust themselves,
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trust their own experience,
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and trust their own reasoning power, perhaps.
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It wasn't necessarily anti-Christian,
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but it could be very anti-Christian.
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Human beings were trying to develop
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their own autonomy.
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There's some good things about that.
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I'm not just going to obey
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because someone's always not going to.
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I have to keep this through.
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I have to use my own common sense,
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my own consensus,
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my own rationality,
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to work out whether that person's trustworthy,
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whether I should go with them or not.
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It's not all bad,
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but it certainly did impact
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evangelical Christians.
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Because if they were already saying,
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we need to talk about Christ in us,
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then the culture was reinforcing
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the individual.
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Now, those first evangelical Christians
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who said,
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we need to talk about Christ in us,
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of course,
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were conservative Protestants.
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They were anchored to the Reformation.
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They were anchored to Greece
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in the early 20s.
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Remember that.
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But the culture started pushing them further
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from those big historical roots.
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If you will,
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often the image is provided of the machine
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to summarise what the Enlightenment was about.
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It's self-contained,
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well, probably needs a power source,
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but self-contained,
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regular,
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predictable,
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mechanical,
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of course,
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that's what defines a machine.
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Powered under its own steam,
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if you will,
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the result of human engineering.
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Now,
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the representatives of this movement,
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some of them are familiar to us,
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Jonathan Edwards,
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or John Wesley,
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in England,
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or in Britain,
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Sarah Osmond,
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in Newport, Rhode Island.
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These are great evangelical representatives.
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These were people who talked about
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not only Christ in us,
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but were trying to engage
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with the Enlightenment around them
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and make this new mode
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of being a conservative process
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more acceptable,
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more engaging,
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with the world
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that they were facing.
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John Wesley Neville
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always carried with him
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a briefcase
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with different kinds of tea,
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tea leaves,
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because he saw himself
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as a physician
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and he would prescribe
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teas to people
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to cure them
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as he travelled to the church.
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He kind of had this
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Enlightenment,
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rationalistic,
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scientific thinking
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that tea's got the answer
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to all your problems.
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John Edwards as well
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was very deliberate
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in trying to work out
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what the world
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was talking about,
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light,
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the Enlightenment,
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but he knew that
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the Lord provided light
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in his word.
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God provides
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supernatural light
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as it were.
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And he would deliberately
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riff off that,
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deliberately
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take the debates
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that the world
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was engaging in
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and use them
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for his own preaching
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for revival purposes.
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In fact,
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the revivals themselves
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are,
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if you will,
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using the technical language,
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an artifact
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of modernity.
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Luther never preached
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on the streets,
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in the fields.
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That was something
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that was simply modern.
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The revivals themselves
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were in part
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the creation
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of a new kind of culture.
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So the issues
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that Christians
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are available
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or the world
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are available
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in this period
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was how,
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what autonomy
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looks like,
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what does it mean
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for individuals
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to be autonomous?
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This is a world
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in which revolution
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threatened Europe
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and North America.
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This is a period
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when industry
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using big machines
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developed,
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which is also
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quite threatening.
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Although at this stage,
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industry is largely
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not in cities,
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but in rural locations.
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Because you need
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rivers to power
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factories and stuff.
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some of the names
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that,
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not Christian names
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by the way,
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but some of the names
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that you might
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associate with this period
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is Emmanuel Cart
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the general philosopher,
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Voltaire,
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the French philosopher,
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or Thomas Paine
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in the early months.
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Some of the outcomes
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of this new
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cultural movement
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were, of course,
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revivals themselves,
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but also
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the Methodist church.
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was born
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in this period
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and the Methodist church
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in various forms
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is still with us.
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But also
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in this period
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the modern missions movement
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was born.
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The Enlightenment
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enabled
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mass movement
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of people.
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It meant that
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ships could cross
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the North of Maine,
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not just the North of Maine,
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travelling there really,
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quickly
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upon the power
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of modern machines.
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so that if you
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wanted to go to
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Burma,
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if you wanted to
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travel to Australia,
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you could in
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really
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So that's the first
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cultural soundtrack
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that's playing
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at the same time
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that Christians
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are thinking about
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what it means
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to revive the church,
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what it means
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for us to have
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a close walk
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with the Lord,
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what it means
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for us
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to celebrate
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the work of the Spirit
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in our life
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or in the world
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around us.
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Let me pause
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and hear if you have
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any questions
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or concerns.
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questions.
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Well,
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yeah,
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where was the
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Roman Catholic Church
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at this time,
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kind of in that
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late 1600s
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to early 1700s?
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Was there a lot
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of upheaval
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or were they just
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struggling to kind of
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hang on to power
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with a little bit
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of everything?
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Yes,
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a little bit
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of everything
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because when you
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say the Roman Catholic
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Church,
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you mean the Roman
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Catholic Church
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in South America
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or in Italy
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or in,
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you know,
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they'd already
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reached out
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and gone to
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their different
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destinations.
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The Roman Catholics
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were ahead of
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Protestants
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in terms of
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global mission.
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Protestants
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were right behind
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on this floor.
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Sure.
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The Roman Catholics
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weren't classically
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liking the revolutions
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that were taking
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place,
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so they'd become
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quite reactionary
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and tried to
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address that
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question.
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I think this column,
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the first one,
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is probably the most
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familiar,
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actually.
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The second column,
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much less so.
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romanticism doesn't
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mean how to fall
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in love or read
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a good novel.
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Romanticism is a
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cultural moment,
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a cultural thing,
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which is in reaction
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to the Enlightenment.
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if the Enlightenment
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stressed rationality
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and your sense
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perception,
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romanticism has
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stressed emotion
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or intuition,
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deep connections,
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perhaps crudely put,
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when it's trying to
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highlight the heart.
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this was a moment
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that saw the
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shortcomings
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of enlightenment
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and tried to
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compensate,
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perhaps overreact.
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the deepest
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yearning
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amongst
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those
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promoting
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romanticism
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was a yearning
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for integration.
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And seeing that
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the Enlightenment
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had pulled
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people apart,
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your mind
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was kind of
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a different part
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of you from your
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body or your
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soul in
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Enlightenment.
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Men were
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regarded as being
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more rational,
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therefore men and
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women were being
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called apart in
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the Enlightenment
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as well.
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Romanticism has
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this yearning to
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put things,
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as it were,
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back together
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or to integrate,
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to see the
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connections
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between all
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that we experience.
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And if you will,
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the image that
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best captures
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the romantic
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moment is the
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tree,
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not the machine.
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The tree,
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the tree is
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organic,
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organic,
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the tree
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looks different,
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the very same
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species planted
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there and
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planted here,
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grows its
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limbs in
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different places,
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it responds to
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its environment
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and bends in
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this direction
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and bends in
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that direction.
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The tree is
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earthed,
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the tree is
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one with its
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environment,
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the tree
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captures something
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of what the
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romantics
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were trying
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to highlight.
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Now,
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the romantics
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was not a
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Christian movement,
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right?
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This was something
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that's happening
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around the church
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in the culture
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generally,
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but it did
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impact Christians.
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And some of the
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people you
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might know
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who most were
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impacted by
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this movement
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were Charles
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Spurgeon or
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Dwight Mooney
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or Phoebe Palmer,
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a New York
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doctor's wife
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who left
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Bible studies
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for them
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in her
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parlour.
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Now,
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you wouldn't
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say that Spurgeon
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or Mooney
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or Palmer
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were driving
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pro-applicism
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far from it,
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but they just
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kind of got a
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sense that their
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culture was changing
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and so their
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ministry style
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needs to change
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or their
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prioritising of
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energy,
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money,
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had to change.
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Charles Spurgeon,
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for example,
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Bolly,
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that churches
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should be
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comfortable.
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Right?
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Previously,
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you might have
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sat on a
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wooden bench.
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There might
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or might not
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have been
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something to
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lend your back
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on.
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In fact,
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it was only
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in the modern
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world that
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chairs were
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invented at
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all the church.
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Traditionally,
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you stood in
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church,
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right?
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That was only
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really,
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really wealthy
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churches could
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afford chairs.
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So having
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chairs,
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not only having
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chairs,
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but Spurgeon
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having added
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chairs?
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Some chairs
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still don't
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like that.
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He was a
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mega church
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pastor.
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He had
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10,000 people
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in his church
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on Sundays.
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He designed
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a building
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that visually
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was beautiful.
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And something
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important that
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happened in
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Anglican churches
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or in other
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kinds as well
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was that
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previously,
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there had
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been two
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side aisles
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when you
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went to a
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church.
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One side
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aisle took
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your eye
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to the
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pulpit,
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and the
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other side
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aisle took
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your eye
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to the
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lectern
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where the
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Bible is
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read.
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But in
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the Romantic
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period,
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architecture
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changed,
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and it
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was decided
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to get rid
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of side
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aisles and
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to have a
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centre aisle
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that was
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focused on
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the communion
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table.
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Can you see
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that's a
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very subtle
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architectural
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change?
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No longer
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would the
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focus in
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church be
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what you
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hear,
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the Bible
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read or
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the Bible
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preached,
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but now
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the focus
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on the
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church in
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the centre
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aisle would
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be the
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table where
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the elements
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were,
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the bread
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and wine
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were.
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Of course,
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brides ever
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since have
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been thankful
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because a
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centre aisle
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is just
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perfect for
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a long
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time of
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a living
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service.
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But that
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wasn't
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originally,
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my church
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at home
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is two
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side
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aisles
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and people
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would want
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to book
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it because
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it's a
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very 260
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years old
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people want
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to book
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it to have
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their
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meetings
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and so
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on from
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the
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community.
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They come
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and go,
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oh my goodness,
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oh he can't
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have it,
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he can't.
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You've got to
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have a centre
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of the way.
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This is the
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period when
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Christians had
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this crazy
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thought,
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why don't
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we cut
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some flowers
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and bring
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them into
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the sanctuary?
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No one
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ever before
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had imagined
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that you'd
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have flowers
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in church?
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What a dumb
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idea.
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Flowers
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outside,
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right?
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They're
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growing
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gardens.
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Christians
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don't think,
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you know what,
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why don't we
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bring nature
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into church?
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We saw
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of course
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have windows
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that were
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stained glass
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so we couldn't
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actually see
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the trees
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that were
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around the
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door.
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That aside,
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we had
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decided to
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bring
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cut flowers
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into church.
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Crazy.
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the issues
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for Christians
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or the
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gender
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culture
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of
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Christians
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as well
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as
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how
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therefore
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do we
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create
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unity?
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Because the
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romantic movement
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is trying
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to integrate.
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And this
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was a period
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in which the
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Evangelical
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Alliance
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was founded.
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It was also
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a period
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when cultures
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became increasingly
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nationalistic
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because
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romanticism
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spoke about
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the importance
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of the local
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not the importance
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of the universal.
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And the local
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was I'm a German
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or I'm a German
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or I'm a Pole.
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Let's think
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about how
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our own
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local culture
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how we work
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together
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all together.
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And it was
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a period
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in which people
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were reacting
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to science.
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science
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was both
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answering
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the impressions
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but was also
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creating
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enormous
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problems too.
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Some of the
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leaders of this
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movement
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you might have
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heard their names
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are
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Jean-Charles Rousseau
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the French
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essayist
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William Wordsworth
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the English
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poet
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or
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Richard Wagner
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the German
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composer.
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Perhaps
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you could put
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Beethoven
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on that list
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as well.
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Beethoven's
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music
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is
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stormy
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Beethoven's
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music
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involves
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big orchestras
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big sounds
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this was a
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perfect
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way of capturing
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what romanticism
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is about.
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And one of the
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outcomes
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I've given you
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a couple of
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tiny outcomes
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that I was in
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church
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centre aisle
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they want
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a comfortable
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seating
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for example
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these are all
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kind of trivial
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actually.
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One of the
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the more
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significant
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outcomes
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was
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the pursuit
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of holiness
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and the
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establishment
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or the
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intervention
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of holiness
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churches.
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You wanted
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to be one
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with your
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world
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that was
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fair enough
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right?
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You wanted
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to be integrated
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and for your
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experience
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not to be
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chopped up.
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However
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how are
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Christians
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going to
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stand apart
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from the
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world
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at the
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same time
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that they
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were trying
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to find
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integration
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within the
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world?
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And they
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used the
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categories of
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holiness
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and holiness
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churches
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to do that.
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It's a
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uniquely
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mid-19th
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century thing.
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We did
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have them
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in Australia
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but they
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hardly exist
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anymore
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in Australia
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but they
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do I
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think to
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a more
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significant
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degree
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in the
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US.
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This was
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a time
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when
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Christians
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started
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valuing
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nature
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more
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and often
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therefore
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decided
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to organise
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conferences
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Bible
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conferences
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either
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near the
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beach
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or in
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the
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mountains.
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You might
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know
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I don't
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know
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locally
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the
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equivalent
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camp
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sites
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that
-
you might
-
head to.
-
I think
-
there's a
-
place in
-
New Jersey
-
called
-
Ocean Grove
-
where the
-
Methodists
-
who headed
-
down to
-
their
-
summer
-
conferences
-
and so
-
we've
-
got them
-
all over
-
Australia
-
loads.
-
In fact
-
there's a
-
town in
-
Victoria
-
where I'm
-
from
-
called
-
Ocean Grove
-
some
-
American
-
missionaries
-
from Ocean
-
Grove
-
in New
-
Jersey
-
decided
-
that we
-
had to
-
have
-
an
-
equivalent
-
Ocean
-
Grove
-
in
-
Melbourne
-
and so
-
they
-
came and
-
bought
-
the land
-
and they
-
said
-
it was
-
a big
-
conference
-
centre
-
and so
-
on.
-
It lasted
-
not real
-
long
-
but it's
-
still
-
interesting
-
that the
-
churches
-
in town
-
own most
-
of the
-
public
-
spaces.
-
Of course
-
Moody
-
began his
-
conference
-
ministry
-
in Northfield,
-
Massachusetts.
-
where you
-
could be
-
close to
-
the
-
Lord,
-
it was
-
argued
-
if you
-
were in
-
nature
-
than if
-
you were
-
in the
-
city.
-
Which
-
theologically
-
is of
-
course
-
completely
-
done.
-
I kind
-
of get
-
the
-
impulse
-
impulse
-
that somehow
-
withdrawing
-
from your
-
work of
-
that world
-
and walking
-
praying as
-
you walk
-
through the
-
trees or
-
as you
-
sit on
-
the beach
-
perhaps
-
perhaps
-
can be a
-
different way
-
of configuring
-
what it means
-
that you have
-
a personal
-
place to walk
-
with the
-
Lord.
-
Let me
-
pause then
-
and hear
-
if you have
-
any
-
questions.
-
Yes,
-
I have a
-
comment about
-
your nature.
-
It's true that
-
theologically it
-
doesn't make
-
any difference
-
but I think
-
that the idea
-
for me anyway
-
is when you're
-
in nature
-
you're looking
-
around and
-
seeing all
-
the stuff
-
that God
-
created.
-
Whereas
-
we're sitting
-
right here
-
we're looking
-
and we're
-
seeing buildings
-
that man
-
has built.
-
Yes,
-
yes,
-
yes.
-
So let's
-
see this.
-
Yeah,
-
sure.
-
Yeah,
-
yeah.
-
Yeah,
-
of course
-
that's right.
-
Yes,
-
sir.
-
I wonder
-
if there's
-
a similar
-
sense
-
of motivation
-
as monasticism
-
in earlier
-
periods
-
of the
-
church
-
withdrawing
-
from
-
temptation
-
of sinful
-
others
-
and isolating
-
oneself
-
to one
-
who
-
is
-
biblical
-
God.
-
Yeah,
-
I think
-
that's
-
what we
-
try.
-
Yeah.
-
I think
-
that's
-
exactly
-
right.
-
There'd
-
been a
-
longest
-
period
-
in
-
churches
-
where
-
there
-
hadn't
-
been the
-
case.
-
Something
-
new was
-
provoked
-
in the
-
19th
-
century
-
that gave
-
them this
-
trigger
-
to withdraw
-
because it
-
hadn't been
-
the case.
-
Well,
-
100 years
-
before that
-
everyone was
-
living in the
-
country.
-
So you
-
can only
-
have a
-
withdrawal to
-
the country
-
when there's
-
need to
-
withdraw
-
from.
-
What are
-
all these
-
churches?
-
Oh,
-
okay,
-
I thought
-
everyone
-
gave us
-
the wrong
-
one.
-
But that
-
is
-
a good
-
question.
-
Yes,
-
so that's
-
a good
-
question.
-
They often
-
have the
-
language of
-
higher,
-
higher life
-
in their
-
label.
-
Now,
-
I think
-
the
-
Camberlite
-
churches
-
or the
-
Disciples
-
of Christ
-
are both
-
Holman's
-
church
-
movements
-
in the
-
US.
-
Nazarenes.
-
The
-
Nazarenes,
-
thank you.
-
Yes,
-
they don't
-
exist in
-
Australia.
-
Correct,
-
yep.
-
The
-
Salvation
-
Army is
-
a
-
Mormon's
-
church.
-
And the
-
Holy Church
-
in the US
-
grew strongly
-
after the
-
Civil War
-
where the
-
Civil War
-
divided.
-
Holiness
-
churches
-
tried to
-
talk up
-
our
-
unity and
-
holiness
-
with
-
whatever
-
your
-
politics,
-
whatever
-
your
-
life.
-
Thank you.
-
I can't
-
assume too
-
much.
-
It wasn't
-
a very
-
good
-
ordinance.
-
Yes,
-
sir?
-
So,
-
as the
-
Romantic
-
period was
-
beginning to
-
wane,
-
it seems
-
the
-
rationalists
-
that last
-
laughed when
-
Darwin published
-
his book in
-
1859.
-
Then,
-
because that
-
is purely a
-
book of the
-
mind,
-
book of
-
I might
-
qualify that.
-
Yeah.
-
Yeah.
-
Yeah.
-
I'm most
-
willing to
-
hear that
-
qualification.
-
But it
-
seems to me
-
that that
-
then provides
-
the underpinning
-
for how
-
shall we
-
regard
-
the now
-
burgeoning
-
industrial
-
revolution
-
from the
-
mid-19th
-
century
-
on.
-
how
-
shall
-
we
-
regard
-
that
-
with
-
regard
-
to
-
culture
-
and
-
humanity
-
and
-
the
-
environment
-
and so
-
forth.
-
Well,
-
it's man
-
in Darwinism,
-
it's man
-
against the
-
environment.
-
It's man
-
against all
-
that would
-
come against
-
the mind.
-
Yes and
-
no.
-
So,
-
Darwin,
-
I don't
-
have to
-
drink this,
-
evolution.
-
Stresses
-
natural,
-
slow,
-
organic
-
processes.
-
So,
-
in lots
-
of ways,
-
Darwin
-
was the
-
result or
-
sat comfortably
-
within the
-
romantic
-
movement because
-
he's doing
-
the opposite
-
of seeing
-
nature as
-
a machine.
-
He's
-
speaking about
-
the slow,
-
minuscule
-
change of
-
over
-
kind of
-
resumption
-
over the
-
years.
-
So,
-
his
-
worldview
-
sat
-
comfortably
-
within the
-
romantic
-
movement.
-
Now,
-
of course,
-
he was
-
writing a
-
book,
-
so it
-
appeals to
-
the
-
mind,
-
of course,
-
right?
-
He's not
-
anti-rational,
-
but his
-
observations
-
on how
-
it works,
-
whether you
-
agree with
-
it or not,
-
were
-
observations
-
which
-
described
-
slow
-
change
-
rather
-
than
-
revolutionary
-
change.
-
Revolutionary
-
could change
-
was something
-
that the
-
environment
-
had kind
-
of sponsored,
-
but romantic
-
had sponsored
-
a kind
-
of slow,
-
a slow
-
or gradual
-
change.
-
And I
-
think romantic
-
is still
-
with us
-
the same
-
thing.
-
Well,
-
so the
-
symbol for
-
normalism
-
is the
-
tree.
-
I would
-
imagine
-
that's
-
right,
-
yeah,
-
or the
-
finch or
-
something.
-
So I
-
don't mean
-
that they're
-
organic
-
trees,
-
I mean
-
the
-
evolutionary
-
tree.
-
Oh,
-
although
-
it works
-
by the
-
legs.
-
That's
-
it.
-
I'm
-
fascinated
-
by some
-
of these
-
changes,
-
especially
-
regarding
-
nature,
-
being nature
-
in a
-
church,
-
things like
-
that.
-
How,
-
in general,
-
I don't
-
know if
-
you can
-
speak to
-
this,
-
it's too
-
vague of a
-
question,
-
but how
-
conscious were
-
theologians
-
of this
-
shift?
-
I mean,
-
were they
-
aware they
-
were doing
-
something?
-
And did
-
they appeal
-
to scripture
-
for these
-
changes,
-
if they
-
were aware
-
of it,
-
or did
-
it just
-
happen?
-
It's the
-
air you
-
breathe.
-
You sometimes
-
don't even
-
realise
-
that you're
-
breathing in
-
obnoxious
-
fumes,
-
right?
-
And
-
things,
-
there were
-
some who
-
were much
-
more deliberate,
-
of course,
-
and when
-
the German
-
theologian
-
Schleimacher
-
decided to
-
put the
-
doctrine of
-
the trinity
-
in the
-
appendix to
-
his book
-
on theology,
-
he was
-
doing that
-
deliberately,
-
and he
-
thought the
-
doctrine of
-
the trinity
-
did not
-
represent
-
his
-
right
-
at the
-
moment.
-
But most
-
of them
-
were just
-
thinking,
-
we can't
-
have
-
something
-
that we
-
did or
-
felt,
-
or
-
too much
-
deliberate
-
reflection,
-
which is
-
a danger,
-
right?
-
Yes.
-
What are
-
we doing?
-
Yeah,
-
correct.
-
And we
-
said this
-
briefly last
-
week as
-
well.
-
My
-
students
-
said to
-
me,
-
what's
-
our
-
big
-
sin,
-
or what
-
don't
-
we
-
see,
-
of course
-
it's
-
really hard
-
to say,
-
to see
-
what we
-
don't
-
see.
-
But our
-
individualism
-
has to
-
be
-
placed on
-
the top
-
of this.
-
That was
-
kind of
-
my thinking
-
on Tom's
-
comment,
-
that it
-
seems as
-
if the
-
church is,
-
the evangelical
-
church is
-
always straining
-
to catch up
-
with culture
-
to understand
-
what's
-
happening now
-
and what
-
do we need
-
to change
-
to appeal
-
to these
-
people.
-
And
-
sometimes
-
it's
-
a,
-
I think
-
we've
-
just
-
got to
-
get used
-
to being
-
weird.
-
And
-
feel
-
comfortable
-
with being
-
weird.
-
Our
-
culture,
-
I think
-
in our
-
culture
-
they're
-
good.
-
I'm
-
the last
-
person to
-
kind of
-
wipe it
-
off.
-
But
-
having
-
said,
-
yeah,
-
we're
-
just
-
never
-
going to
-
be
-
like
-
our
-
culture.
-
Let's
-
just go
-
comfortable
-
with
-
doing
-
weird
-
things
-
in
-
church
-
and
-
having
-
weird
-
views.
-
except
-
to
-
understand
-
that
-
the
-
message
-
is
-
what's
-
important
-
not
-
the
-
means
-
as
-
much.
-
And
-
to be
-
able to
-
help
-
in all
-
these
-
responses
-
and
-
movements.
-
Yeah,
-
yeah.
-
And keep
-
coming back
-
to our
-
understanding
-
of Christ,
-
Christ by
-
his spirit
-
making us
-
alive,
-
dying for
-
us and
-
so on.
-
So we
-
need to
-
be
-
clear-minded
-
in having
-
a base,
-
a home,
-
a focus.
-
Well,
-
let me
-
introduce
-
perhaps
-
the most
-
difficult
-
column,
-
the third
-
column,
-
because
-
less has
-
been
-
written
-
about.
-
So I'll
-
give you
-
for you
-
in the
-
footer
-
there
-
an article
-
I've
-
written
-
on
-
modernism
-
and how
-
it's
-
influenced
-
which
-
you can
-
find at
-
least one
-
thing on
-
the internet
-
about this.
-
This is a
-
movement that
-
arose, a
-
cultural
-
movement,
-
again, it
-
wasn't sponsored
-
by Christians,
-
it arose at
-
the end of
-
the 19th
-
century.
-
And this
-
was a
-
cultural
-
movement that
-
said to
-
put things
-
back together
-
again, to
-
heal, to
-
get what
-
the
-
romantics
-
that we
-
talked about,
-
finding
-
integration,
-
the strategy
-
must be
-
increasing
-
self-expression.
-
To express
-
yourself is
-
to heal
-
yourself.
-
and it
-
would often
-
be linked
-
crudely
-
put to
-
the
-
will,
-
you
-
decide
-
to
-
express
-
yourself,
-
you impose,
-
not only impose,
-
but possibly impose
-
your view on
-
others.
-
It came out
-
of an
-
increasing
-
sense that
-
life was
-
fragmented
-
almost beyond
-
repair.
-
This was
-
when the
-
United States
-
police,
-
the
-
guilted
-
age,
-
the
-
lot of
-
barons,
-
industrial
-
work prices
-
that were
-
unsafe,
-
the rise of
-
unions,
-
and so on,
-
very
-
combustible
-
politics.
-
Things were
-
fragmented.
-
How do you
-
deal with
-
that?
-
Cities are
-
now almost
-
where most
-
people are.
-
But in
-
this period,
-
city life
-
was not
-
something I'm
-
knew to
-
do.
-
But city
-
life was
-
very fragmented
-
life as we
-
know.
-
The image
-
that I think
-
best catches
-
this moment
-
is not the
-
machine,
-
something regular
-
and predictable,
-
not the
-
tree,
-
something organic
-
and planted,
-
but the
-
volcano,
-
something
-
dangerous
-
in its
-
expression.
-
And there
-
was lots
-
written about
-
volcanoes in
-
this period.
-
Even yesterday
-
I was reading
-
a book where
-
there's this
-
long quotation
-
going to me
-
end of the
-
19th century
-
about how
-
the earth
-
is unstable
-
and any
-
minute now
-
all these
-
subterranean
-
forces are
-
going to
-
come to
-
the surface
-
and yes,
-
another
-
volcano
-
boat.
-
I'm feeling
-
like I
-
wonder something.
-
My life is
-
weird and I'm
-
kind of chasing
-
volcano boats.
-
this period
-
is probably
-
less familiar
-
to the
-
most and
-
its leading
-
heritage might
-
be less
-
familiar as
-
well.
-
So locally,
-
Borden and
-
Gale,
-
William Borden
-
was an
-
example of
-
this movement
-
or in
-
Los Angeles
-
or beyond
-
87th person,
-
a great
-
Pentecostal
-
woman,
-
C.G.
-
Stud and
-
a faith
-
mission.
-
C.G.
-
Stud was
-
English,
-
Catholic,
-
and he
-
served in
-
India,
-
and he
-
served in
-
China,
-
and he
-
served in
-
South India,
-
and he
-
served in
-
West Africa
-
as well.
-
So this
-
was
-
extraordinary.
-
I'm going
-
to beat
-
the world,
-
I'm going
-
to go
-
to the
-
hardest
-
places,
-
and when
-
one place
-
gets easy,
-
I'm going
-
to go
-
to the
-
next
-
place
-
that's
-
hard.
-
C.G.
-
Stud didn't
-
have a good
-
relationship
-
with his
-
wife,
-
in fact he
-
treated her
-
informably,
-
so his
-
great kind
-
of faith
-
mission
-
probably was
-
tarnished
-
by that.
-
She came
-
and visited,
-
she was living
-
in England,
-
raising money
-
for his
-
mission.
-
She came
-
and visited
-
him in West
-
Africa at
-
one time,
-
and he
-
basically
-
eaten the
-
water and
-
just kept
-
doing what
-
he was
-
doing,
-
so she
-
went home
-
and went
-
and saw
-
each other
-
again.
-
This is
-
a rise
-
of,
-
if I
-
have enough
-
will,
-
I can
-
conquer.
-
If I
-
have enough
-
willpower,
-
I can
-
make this
-
fragmented
-
world bend
-
to my
-
aspirations.
-
This
-
was an
-
issue
-
where
-
the
-
questions
-
of
-
power
-
were
-
front
-
and
-
centre,
-
both
-
literally,
-
this was
-
a period
-
in which
-
seized the
-
world by
-
electricity
-
for the
-
first time.
-
This
-
was also
-
a world
-
when
-
power
-
waned
-
after the
-
First World
-
War,
-
the Russian
-
Empire,
-
the Ottoman
-
Empire,
-
the British
-
Empire,
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the Austro-Hungarian
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Empire,
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the German
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Empire,
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all
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collapsed,
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lost much
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of their
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power.
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Cities
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and wars
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made this
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a period
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where people
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thought the
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end is
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surely about
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to come.
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world.
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The
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philosophers of
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the age
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who drove
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this period
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were Friedrich
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Nietzsche,
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the German
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philosopher,
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Sigmund
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Freud,
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the Austrian
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side
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analyst,
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Virginia
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Wolfe,
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the novelist,
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and James
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Joyce,
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the Irish
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novelist.
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These are
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people,
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especially
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Nietzsche,
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who were
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saying the
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will to
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power is
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what helps
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human beings
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understand
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themselves,
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understand
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their
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environment,
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helps them
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to achieve
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their goals
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of fulfillment
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in the world.
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Some of
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the more
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evangelical
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outcomes
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of this
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period were
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muscular
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Christianity,
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of which
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Borden and
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C.T.
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Stubb
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were our
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representatives.
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Muscular
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Christianity
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is a
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movement
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that says
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one,
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we need
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to use
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our will
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to assert
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our
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power
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over the
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world.
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The
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muscle
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of
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Christianity
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was also
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a Christian
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movement
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that said
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men are
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no longer
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really men
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because
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they're
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working in
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factories
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and not
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fields.
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So it
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was assumed
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that working
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class men
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in factories
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had lost
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what made
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them men
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using their
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muscles.
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Because we
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see the
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working class
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men in
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factories
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as being
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kind of
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rough and
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ready times.
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Not the
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kind of
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people who
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walked their
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manhood.
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But that
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was the
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assumption.
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So Christians
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had a
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panicking.
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So Christians
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invented
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basketball.
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And Christians
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invented
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volleyball.
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Christians
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invented
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boys
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or
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boy scouts.
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Or Christians
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invented
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how to
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invent the
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Olympic
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Games.
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All these
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things at
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the end
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of the
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19th
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century were
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responses to
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this fear
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that men
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were losing
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what it
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took to
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their man.
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It's a
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movement called
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muscular
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Christianity.
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Women can
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also be
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muscular
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Christians.
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So for
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example,
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this is the
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period where
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we start
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talking about
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prayer warriors.
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We'd never
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used those
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two words in
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the same
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sentence before.
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And women
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could be
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prayer warriors.
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We're
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described as
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prayer warriors.
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Men were
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described as
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prayer warriors.
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in the
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Salvation Army
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for example,
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in this
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period,
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women take
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on quite a
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significant
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role as
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army officers,
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all part of
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the same
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movement.
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But more
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significantly,
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perhaps,
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this was a
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period in which
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fundamentalism was
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born in its
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modern eyes and
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cost of them
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as well around
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the world.
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These were
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movements
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reacting to the
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culture,
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culture.
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But also
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kind of
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saying we've
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just got to
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be, we've
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got to, through
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our own sense
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of power, assert
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our agency over
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the world around
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us.
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So fundamentalists,
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for example,
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would more and
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more espouse their
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opinions and
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presume that the
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louder they spoke
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or the more
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insistent they were
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with their opinions,
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the more likely
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they were to
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change the
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culture.
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And Pentecostal,
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of course, is
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in many ways a
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therapeutic movement
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where your job is
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to express yourself,
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either through
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using your gifts
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or speaking in
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tongues.
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Both of these are
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ways that you
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would express
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yourself and
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thereby feel
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yourself.
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I think all of
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these three movements
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are still with us
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today.
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It depends which
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church you look at.
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different churches
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have different
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phases where they
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stress one or the
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other.
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So in the dates,
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in the circles,
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I haven't given
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an end date.
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These three movements
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are circling, we're
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still breathing their
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air, they're still
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impacting and
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shaping us quite
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profoundly.
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Though in different
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countries, at
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different moments,
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one or the other
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might take the
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other hand.
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Evangelicalism has
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been quite a
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porous movement.
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We want to reach
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the culture for
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Christ.
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We want to engage
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with the world
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around us.
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Of course we do.
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But the danger, of
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course, in engaging
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with the world around
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us is about
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realising it.
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We're becoming like
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the world around us.
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It might be the
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risk you have to
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take.
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This might be
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exactly the right
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thing to do.
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We want to reach
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the culture, we
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want to get close
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to the culture, we
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want to engage
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with the culture.
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We must.
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But there is a
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danger that we
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then start thinking
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like the culture,
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we start engaging
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with the culture in
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ways that might be
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less happy.
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And so we need
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sessions like this
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morning to remind
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us of the ways
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we've been influenced
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sometimes for our
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world, sometimes
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for our world.
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So let me get
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some more
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questions.
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John?
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Yeah.
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No, Rhys, this is
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so, so, I
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think.
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One of the
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impressions that
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one can easily
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get is that our
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culture deeply
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inflates our
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engagement with
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the gospel, truth,
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reality, all of
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these things.
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And we so
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absorb these
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things of culture
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that, I mean,
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a reaction could
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easily be one of
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the wrong.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There is a gospel
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truth, there is the
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way it is, there is
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true reality, there
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is the God's eye
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view of things.
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And my goodness,
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this is a disaster
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that we are so
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enculturated.
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What do we do
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to resist that
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sort of permeation
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of culture?
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My goodness,
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is it inevitable
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that we, if in
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the world, we
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are of it?
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And thinking
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that that sort
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of culture
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pervading us
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is exclusively
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a harming thing.
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We need to be
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more God-like
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outside of culture.
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and there's
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certainly a lot
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of this that
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it is much
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of culture
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is a sinful
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inflection
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in some way
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that falls short
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of God's glory.
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But is there
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not another way
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in which there
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is an inevitability
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of culture
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in the fact
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that we are
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creatures?
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It means we're
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in time and space
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and we are in
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space.
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That means we
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are perspectival.
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We are positioned
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during times.
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So in a sense,
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this is simply
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what sort of
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creatureliness
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in part.
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Not exclusively,
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but that's in part.
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And this longing
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for integration,
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is there
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is that
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integration
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going to be
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something that
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will indeed be
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an integration
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of all these
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different cultural
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elements purifying
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but then expressed
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in the new
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heavens and the new
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earth
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where the wealth
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of nations
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come in
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and it is purified
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but there will
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be this final
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integration
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but not in terms
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of a dissolution
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or creatureness
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or an elimination
-
of culture
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but an expression
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of culture
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in distinct ways
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that actually
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are horrifying
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in the street
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or a community.
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Could you help us
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to pull some
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of these things
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together because
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it could easily
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be just,
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oh my goodness.
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We so reflect
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our culture
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and that must
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be just an anthem.
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Yes, a question.
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Are you in sense
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at all?
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Yes, let's do it.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So, you're right,
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John.
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We can't but help
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reflect culture
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around it.
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We're all speaking
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English this morning
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in this room
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which shapes
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the way we think.
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We're living
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in a certain
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time and place.
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We have certain
-
assumptions about
-
time or
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individual value
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and none of those
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are bad things.
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We can't not
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move into culture.
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We've just got to
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allow ourselves
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to be aware
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and let people
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help us
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think through
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what the culture
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is and does.
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So, that's a
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kind of a humble
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posture, isn't it?
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To get input
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so we can think
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more clearly.
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To resist where
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we will.
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What our questions
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often do we'll see
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in the bottom line
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is create new
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denominations.
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I'm not sure
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that that's the
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answer to every
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cultural moment
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that we need to
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hold on to what's
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precious from
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generations past
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and then allow
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our churches,
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well, the
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Protestant
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work have always
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reformed and not
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to let ourselves
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think that we must
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be continually of
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this shape or
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this size but
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that in time
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we'll adapt,
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we'll cut off
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some limbs,
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we'll grow new
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ones, fresh
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shoots and so
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on.
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I like what
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Jaroslav Pelican
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said, the
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professor of
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church history
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at Yale,
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he said that
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the church is
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unified, it's
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just not
-
beautiful.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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We have a
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deep, we have
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deep unity
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in the
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spirit.
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Yeah.
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We're out
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here and we're
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all going
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on the way
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but the
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spirit will
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work out.
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Yes.
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And this
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final column
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of all of
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them,
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the unity
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appearing to
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the spirit
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to bring
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unity where
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there was
-
fragmentation
-
was a pretty
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big thing.
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It strikes me
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what we're
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doing here
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kind of helps
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alleviate some
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of the dangers
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of being so
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situated in a
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culture that
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we're not aware
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of the culture
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shaping us.
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It's just
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striking, if I
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were to say, I
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only want to
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fellowship with
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Christians from
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New England.
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I don't want to
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fellowship with
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South American
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Christians or
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Christians from
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Australia.
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That'd be
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like...
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That'd be
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abominable, but
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do we want to
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fellowship with
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Christians who
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lived in the
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1500s and
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lived in the
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1800s.
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And some of
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that is
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they're challenging
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me and how I'm
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thinking about
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certain things.
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And I love how
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you show how
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some of these
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movements have
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a good...
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There's a good
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impulse in a lot
-
of these things.
-
And it's not just
-
a danger, but
-
there are also
-
ways that God is
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perhaps refining
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his people to
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be more
-
integrated, to
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experience the
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shape, to
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match our
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theology.
-
It's not
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fundamentally evil
-
to have
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cushions and
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seats in
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church.
-
It's not
-
fundamentally evil
-
to have
-
kind of flowers
-
in church,
-
right?
-
When it first
-
happened, it
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was completely
-
weird.
-
You can imagine
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people going to
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the pastor
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saying, we
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must have
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did this.
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That's right.
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I've got to
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go get my
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microphone.