Sermon
Doctrine of Creation
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It is exactly 9 o'clock, and so I might as well just start, because I like to start on a round number, so if it's not 9, it'll be 9.05, and then that just takes too long.
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So, why don't we start with prayer, and then we can jump right in.
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Father God, creator of heaven and earth, we ask that you would bless this time that we have together, that you would be revealed more fully through our time,
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and that through this discussion and through this time of learning, we can learn to glorify you more and see you everywhere.
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In Jesus' name, amen.
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Amen.
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All right. So, good morning, everyone. I'm Luke Batty. I'm a professional scientist, although that really won't come in very much today.
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So, just think of me as another layperson.
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And we're starting today a new class series on the doctrine of creation, and oftentimes the doctrine of creation can kind of feel like a battleground, you know.
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Where we're always talking about different views on the age of the earth, the matter of days, evolution.
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And in this class, we are going to cover some of these things, for sure, but I think our goal here is to look at the doctrine of creation with a view to how we can more fully receive the foundational teaching as creation is a gift of God.
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Creation is a gift from God.
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Creation is a gift from God, and how we can then take creation as a gift and return to God as our creator by glorifying him.
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So, today, we're basically, over the next seven weeks or so, we're going to take Genesis 1.
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Chapter 1 is sort of our guide as we move slowly through it, and we pick up different elements of the narrative and what we can learn from it.
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And so, today, I'll be starting at the very, very beginning.
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The very beginning, you know.
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So, before I jump in, though, why don't we...
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I love... I don't know about you guys, but I love mythology.
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Does anybody else here love mythology of different cultures, etc.?
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Yeah, I'm crazy about it.
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I grew up with... my parents had the doulairs.
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I don't even know if I'm pronouncing that right.
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Doulairs, like book of Greek myths and Norse myths and all that stuff.
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So, I grew up with that stuff.
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It's my bread and butter.
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So, I love hearing different cultures' creation myths.
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So, I thought I'd give you a few samplings, and then we can use that as a starting point for differentiating the biblical worldview.
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So, let's start with Greek myth.
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This is coming from Hesiods.
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Cosmogeny, if... or Cosmogony.
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I actually, honestly, don't know Greek.
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So, it could be pronounced either way.
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Cosmogeny sounds more interesting to me, though.
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So, it starts this way.
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First, there was chaos.
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Then broad-chested Gaia, the steadfast seed of all immortals who live upon the snowy peaks of Olympus.
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Then murky Tartarus in the depths of the white earth.
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And Eros, most beautiful of the immortal gods, who weakens the limbs and overwhelms the minds and wise counsel in the breast of all gods and humans.
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Chaos gave birth to Erebus and black Nyx.
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And from Nyx came Aether and Hermera, conceived after Nyx joined in love with Erebus.
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First, Gaia bore story Uranus, her equal, to envelop her on all sides so she would be the ever-secure home for the blessed gods.
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Then she bore Tal-Uria, pleasant refuge of the goddess Nymphs on the mountain forests, and the sterile swelling seas of Pontus.
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All of these she bore alone.
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Then she bedded Uranus and bore deep whirling Oceanus,
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Coeus, Creus, Hyperion, Iapetus, Thea, Rhea, Themis, Nimesanine, and it goes on,
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golden-crowned Phoebe, and fair Tethys.
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Then Wily Kronos was born, her youngest and most dreadful child, who hated his fearsome father.
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And so for those of you who are familiar with Greek myth, we all know about Kronos, right?
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Kronos was the big bad guy.
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He was like, I want to be top dog.
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And so he started eating his children, because there was some sort of prophecy, I think,
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that one of his children would supplant him.
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So he's like, I'll solve that problem just by eating my kids.
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Which, right?
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Why wouldn't you?
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But then, as we know, Zeus was hidden away, right?
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And then he comes back and beats up his dad, and then all of his siblings get vomited out.
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It's a very fun, interesting story.
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But that's how Greek mythology starts.
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That's the creation myth of Greek mythology, or at least one of them.
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Here's another one I think really is interesting.
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This is Norse mythology.
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This one starts,
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Before there was soil or sky or any green thing, there was only the gaping abyss of Gnungagap.
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This chaos of perfect silence and darkness lay between the homeland of elemental fire, Muspelheim,
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and the homeland of elemental ice, Niflheim.
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Frost from Niflheim and billowing frames of Muspelheim crept towards each other until they met in Gnungagap.
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Amid the hissing and sputtering, the fire melted the ice, and the drops formed themselves into Ymir,
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the first of the godlike but destructive giants.
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When he slept, more giants leapt forth from his legs and from the sweat of his armpits.
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I'm sure we were all familiar with that.
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As the frost continued to melt, a cow, Adumia, emerged from it.
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She nourished Ymir with her milk, and she in turn was nourished by salt licks in the ice.
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Her licks slowly uncovered Buri, the first of the Aesir tribe of gods.
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Buri had a son named Bor, who married Besla, the daughter of the giant bolt-thorn.
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The half-god, half-giant children of Bor and Besla were Odin,
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who became the chief of the Aesir gods, and his two brothers, Vili and Vey.
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Odin and his brothers slew Ymir and set about constructing the world from his corpse.
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They fashioned the oceans from his blood, the soil from his skin and muscles,
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vegetation from his hair, clouds from his brain, and the sky from his skull,
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where four dwarves, corresponding to the four cardinal points,
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held Ymir's skull aloft above the earth.
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And then, after that, we get into all the fun of the adventures of Odin
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and the other Aesir gods and the Veynir gods,
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if you're familiar with Norse mythology.
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Lots of fun, weird stuff.
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That's the Norse creation myth.
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Here, let's bring it a little closer to the context of the writing of Genesis.
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We have here the Babylonian Enuma Elish.
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This starts,
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When the heavens above did not exist, and earth beneath had not come into being,
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there was Apsu, which is fresh water, the first in order, their begetter,
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and Demi urged Tiamat, that's salt water, who gave birth to them all.
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They had mingled their waters together before meadowland had coalesced and reedbed was to be found.
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When not one of the gods had been formed or had come into being,
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when no destinies had been decreed, the gods were created within them.
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Lamu and Lahamu were formed and came into being.
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While they grew and increased in stature, Ansar and Kisar, who excelled them, were created.
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And then on and on and on.
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More gods, more interesting stuff happens.
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Creation of humans.
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That's like, we'll bring, I'll mention that later in a little bit.
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So these are different, this is just sort of a survey of different ways
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that creation has been understood in different cultures, in different times.
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In ancient times, in Babylon, in Norse mythology, in Greek mythology.
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Let's compare and contrast these creation stories with the beginning we have in Genesis.
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This starts, Genesis 1.
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In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
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The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep,
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and the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
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And then it continues on for the days, which we will continue to talk about later.
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Does anybody see, what are some of the differences you guys see in this account here
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versus the other accounts we read earlier?
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Anything jump out at you?
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Yes?
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God exists before, not for a picture.
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Yeah, yeah, it seems like God is there at the beginning, right?
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And then there's nothing else, right?
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What else?
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Anybody see anything else?
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In the other myths, there's a lot of action, a lot of interaction.
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Whereas, from what you read from Genesis, there's a pregnant presence.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, sort of like there's more characters going on.
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There's more conflict, maybe, we could say.
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Whereas in this account, there is no conflict.
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There's just the Word of God.
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So I think, yeah, Matt?
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In all of them, I think there was some idea of chaos or the abyss or something like that near the beginning.
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Yeah, the watery chaos or the giant, you know, maelstrom of Gnungagap,
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which is just a fun word to say.
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I'm not even sure I'm saying it right, but it's fun the way I'm saying it.
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Yeah, I think these are all correct things to see in this difference.
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For one, I think the lack of conflict.
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There's no other element.
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There's no other being that is vying with God for control,
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vying for God with God for creation, for supremacy.
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It's God.
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In the beginning, God.
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We also get monotheism, right?
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That's one of the ones that kind of jumps out.
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I mean, all the other ones, there's multiple gods going on.
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You know, there's the earth god and the sky god,
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or there's the giant god, I guess.
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And then you have, you know, different water gods,
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whether that be salt water or fresh water and their progeny.
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There's a lot of, like, birthing going on, right?
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No, in this account, we don't have any of those.
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We have one god.
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And I think the most important difference is the first difference that was brought up,
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which is God was there before anything else.
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God was there before anything else, and he created everything out of nothing.
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This is the doctrine we call creation ex nihilo,
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and that's what we're going to be talking about today.
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This is one of the great doctrines of the church.
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But before we get into that,
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and this is a doctrine that all Christians agree on,
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but I think it's important, since we're using Genesis as our roadmap,
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to pause here and talk about a controversy that has to do with these first verses of Genesis.
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And that controversy is over whether Genesis 1-1 is actually describing creation ex nihilo.
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So there's multiple views out there.
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The reason there is this controversy is that, grammatically,
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we can take the beginning verses of Genesis in a few different ways.
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One of the ways that used to be brought out earlier in time,
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maybe I think more commonly in the 19th century,
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was the idea that you read it when God created the heavens and the earth,
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and you started that way.
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But most biblical scholars don't take that reading anymore.
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They don't think that's, for reasons I don't understand,
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because I don't speak Hebrew,
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that's not really much of a viable option.
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But there's still two other options that we can use to take Genesis 1.
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So the first one is, surprise,
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the first one is the way that we have it in the ESV.
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We just read it in the beginning,
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God created the heavens and the earth,
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the earth was out, form and void,
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and the narrative continues from there.
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Another way of taking the beginning verses
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is to see the first verse as sort of a title,
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sort of a summary of all that's about to come next.
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So we can think of that, reading it would be like,
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Genesis 1,
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in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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Pause.
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The earth was without form and void.
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You see how the narrative can start here?
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The earth was without form and void,
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and darkness was over the face of the deep.
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So, these are two different ways we can take
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the beginning verses of Genesis.
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So how do we,
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how do we,
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what are some reasons for taking the first
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or the second way of reading it?
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Well, for the second reading,
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I think one of the reasons,
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outside of any of the grammatical reasons,
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is that there's an,
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if we start here,
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with the earth being without form and void,
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and darkness was over the face of the deep,
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we start to see a greater,
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a stronger similarity
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between this narrative and other narratives
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like the Enuma Elish that we started with.
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Right?
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The starting in a place of disorder,
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starting with chaos,
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starting with this watery nothingness,
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sort of.
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You guys see that?
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How this,
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now if we start here,
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we can start to see a closer similarity
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to these other creation myths.
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And I could have given you other ancient Near Eastern creation myths
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from ancient Egypt,
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for instance,
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or ancient Assyria,
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I think.
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Yeah.
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We,
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there's,
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there's a few different ones
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and they all start sort of,
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just kind of like Greek myth and Norse myth
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in a place of chaos and disorder.
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And the creation myth is about bringing in order.
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Right?
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And that order is usually brought about by fighting,
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fighting or birthing or marrying
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or something like that.
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Right?
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As we,
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as we read.
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And so if we take this second understanding
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of,
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of the,
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the first verses of Genesis,
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then we can,
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you see,
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we can conceive of this beginning creation account
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as sort of a direct frontal attack
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on these other creation myths.
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Right?
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And what will come out of the,
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what will come out of understanding
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the creation account
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in comparison to these other myths
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is those things that we talked about.
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The fact that there was this lack of conflict in Genesis.
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In comparison to these other groups.
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That there's an elevation of human dignity.
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So for instance,
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in the Aniwa Elish,
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I didn't go into it because it's very long.
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But when it eventually gets to the creation of humans,
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humans are like,
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they're,
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they're like the,
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the thing that was created to get the gods out of doing some work.
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Basically.
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So the gods were,
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you know,
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they're on the earth,
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they're tilling the soil,
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they're making food,
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and they're like,
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oh man,
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this is a ton of work.
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I thought I was a god.
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Why am I doing this work?
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Basically.
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And then human beings are created like,
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hey,
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we can make these things,
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they can do the work for us,
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and then they offer us the food,
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and everything's great.
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And then they're like,
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hey,
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great idea,
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let's do that.
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And then boom.
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That's the creation of human beings.
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That's what being,
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a human being means
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in the Babylonian context.
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You are born into a life of work and service.
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For what end?
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Just to get the gods out of some work.
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And ultimately,
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actually,
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humans end up becoming way too loud and annoying.
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And then that's why they're flooded.
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Because it's really,
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they're like,
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seriously,
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the gods are trying to sleep.
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And they're like,
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I can't sleep with all this noise down there.
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They're just making so many humans,
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it's to get rid of all of them,
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you know.
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So,
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obviously,
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if we take this second version,
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version of the Genesis,
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all those,
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those differences come to the fore.
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Human dignity is so different
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in the,
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in the Genesis account
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than we get in other,
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these other accounts.
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And we can continue on
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in differences,
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like the expression is God
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as harmonious ruler,
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sole ruler over the earth,
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over creation.
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So that's,
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I think,
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some of the,
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the benefits of that.
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And despite,
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I think,
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a lot of the strength
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of these considerations,
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I actually believe that
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the,
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the understanding that we get
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in the ESV
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and other translations
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is probably closer
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to the truth.
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And that,
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indeed,
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the implications
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from the beginning,
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the first chapters of Genesis
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are way more radical
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and way more different
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than the surrounding cultures.
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verses.
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So some of the reasons
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that we can,
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we have for taking this,
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this first view here
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is that in the Hebrew,
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actually,
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verse two starts with an and.
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And so if you imagine
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the narrative starting
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and the earth was out,
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form and void,
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it kind of sounds like,
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oh,
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what?
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I thought,
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you know,
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it's kind of like starting,
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boom,
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in the middle of the action
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and there seems to be
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a callback to earlier action.
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So that actually gives us
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a little more confidence
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that this,
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in the beginning,
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God created the heavens
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and the earth
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is the first act
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in the narrative.
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And then the verse two
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is actually a continuance
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of the narrative.
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Now, you know,
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I'm not a Hebrew scholar
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and so there's very good arguments
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both ways on the grammar.
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So I don't claim
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to be an authority there,
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but that seems pretty,
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pretty persuasive to me.
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And more,
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and then secondly,
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I think more interestingly
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or more decisively
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is this view that
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if this is a title
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of what is about
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to follow,
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it is kind of strange
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that the first verse
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starts with the earth
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already there.
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Right?
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So in the beginning,
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God created the heavens
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and the earth
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is what we're about
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to experience,
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what we're about to see
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and it starts with
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the earth is already there.
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It's kind of like,
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oh, well,
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what is the earth
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if it hasn't been created yet?
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Right?
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What is the earth?
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And if you continue on
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and when he starts
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talking about the heavens,
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before the heavens
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are actually fully formed,
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they're called the heavens.
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And so in one sense,
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as we continue on
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in the narrative,
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narratively,
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the earth and the heavens
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already exist,
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at least in the language
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of the passage.
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And so that,
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again,
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I think is other reasons
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to take this first view.
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Now,
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I think another reason
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we should consider
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the first view
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is it seems to be
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the way that
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the earliest people of God
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understood this passage.
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As we call back
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to Genesis 1,
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there seems to be
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this insistence
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of there being
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nothing besides God
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in the act of creation.
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So if we look at,
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for instance,
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Isaiah 45, 18,
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For thus says the Lord,
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who created the heavens,
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He is God,
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who formed the earth
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and made it.
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He established it.
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He did not create it empty.
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He formed it to be inhabited.
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I am the Lord
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and there is no other.
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Right?
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So I think if we sit
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and we marinate
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on that kind of verse,
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it does seem to give us
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the feeling
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that there is nothing else
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other than God
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when He creates
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and He creates
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everything as is.
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Right?
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Another obvious example
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in the New Testament
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is John 1, 1.
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Right?
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In the beginning
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was the Word
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and the Word was with God
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and the Word was God.
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He was in the beginning
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with God.
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All things were made
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through Him
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and without Him
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was not anything made
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that was made.
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Now that is obviously
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very clear.
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And so,
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even those Christians,
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believers who take
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this second view
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would say,
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obviously creation
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ex nihilo
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is the truth
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that we affirm
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in Scripture.
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But I think
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if we think about
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John 1, 1
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as a callback,
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as a reference
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to Genesis 1,
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then that makes it
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not only
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an expression
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of new doctrine
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but also
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an interpretation
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of what it is
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Genesis 1
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was saying
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in the first place.
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So whether you're
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convinced by
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either of those arguments
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about creation
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ex nihilo
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as I,
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you know,
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whether you think
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Genesis 1
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is talking about
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creation ex nihilo
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as I take it
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or not,
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we can all agree
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that actually
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this is the teaching
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of God's people,
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that the doctrine
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of creation ex nihilo
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is one of the
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distinguishing differences
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between Christianity
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and these other
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religious systems,
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other ways of thinking
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about the world.
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So how is that?
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What does creation
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ex nihilo
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do for us?
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What are we
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to learn from it?
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Well, for one,
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we should remember
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that heaven and earth
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is a merism,
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meaning it's a phrase
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that's supposed
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to encompass everything.
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So when we say
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in the beginning
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God created
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the heavens
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and the earth,
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we shouldn't think
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of this as
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specifically
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God created
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the sky
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and God created
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the planet earth.
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Heaven and earth
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just means
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everything, right?
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It's like saying
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the whole kitten caboodle
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or the whole enchilada,
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right?
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We're not talking
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about enchiladas here.
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We're talking
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about everything, right?
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So this is the same
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kind of figure of speech.
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Heaven and earth,
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everything.
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So when we confess
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that God created
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all things from nothing,
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everything, everything,
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this is actually
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a confession of truth
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both about God
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and about creation.
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So how is this?
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So let's park here
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for what does this
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tell us about God?
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Well, if everything
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that is made,
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that is,
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if everything that is
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was made by God,
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then that reveals
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that God is the only
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independent one.
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The only being
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without beginning.
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You guys see that?
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This concept of deity
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is radically different
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from the other ones
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we heard about earlier.
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Zeus, Odin, Apsu.
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They may be called almighty.
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They may be called ultimate.
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But they actually just exist
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as one part of a larger whole.
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They are part of the
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eternal cosmos of chaos
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or maybe a whirling maelstrom
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depending on what flavor
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you prefer.
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They're just one part
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of this larger whole, right?
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They don't ground
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these realities.
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They kind of exert
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a power over them
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kind of like Superman
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on steroids, right?
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They can take
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this pre-existing material
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and they can form it
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and they can exert
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their will on it
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but they don't make it.
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They don't ground it.
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It doesn't exist
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because of them.
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How different is this
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than the God of the Bible?
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When God gives Moses
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his personal name,
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what does he say?
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I am.
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Right?
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I am.
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It gives me chills.
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Right?
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I am.
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I am.
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God is not one being
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among other beings.
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God is being.
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God is, is, as Augustine says.
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So what is that?
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There's not a watery chaos,
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an eternal universe.
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There's not this unformed
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substance alongside him
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that he uses.
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This is what we learn
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when we really stop
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and consider the teaching
-
of creation ex nihilo.
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There's only God
-
and all things
-
that depend on him
-
for their existence.
-
There's basically
-
only two kinds of things.
-
God
-
and creation.
-
Right?
-
If you're not God,
-
you're created.
-
And that determines
-
the hierarchy.
-
Does that make sense?
-
God is often called
-
his aseity,
-
meaning from himself.
-
This is actually
-
what Jesus mentions
-
when he's defending
-
his unity with the Father
-
to the Pharisees.
-
He says,
-
in John,
-
I believe,
-
5,
-
I didn't write that down,
-
actually.
-
John 5,
-
for as the Father
-
has life in himself,
-
so he has granted
-
the Son also
-
to have life
-
in himself.
-
God isn't given life.
-
God doesn't depend
-
on anything.
-
God has life
-
in himself.
-
Right?
-
You can see immediately
-
the radical departure
-
that is from these other gods.
-
Aseity is one of those
-
incommunicable attributes,
-
we say.
-
Those aspects of God's essence
-
that are unique to him.
-
If you have one of these attributes,
-
you are God,
-
by definition.
-
Right?
-
If you're from yourself,
-
you are God.
-
Right?
-
And a lot of us
-
like to think
-
we're self-made.
-
We're not self-made like this.
-
Right?
-
I think there's kind of
-
a funny story, right?
-
I think it's a joke,
-
actually,
-
but it's a story
-
about a scientist,
-
this very brash
-
and confident scientist.
-
He says,
-
God,
-
I can create
-
everything that you created
-
out of this mud right here.
-
And God says,
-
okay, go ahead.
-
Do it.
-
And so the scientist says,
-
okay.
-
He starts working with the mud
-
and God says,
-
oh,
-
well,
-
make your own mud.
-
Right?
-
There's all this stuff
-
that we just take for granted
-
as just existing
-
that we think,
-
oh, yeah,
-
the laws of physics.
-
Right?
-
A lot of times
-
you'll hear of people
-
talking about,
-
well,
-
if we have a quantum vacuum
-
and we have quantum fluctuations,
-
then something actually
-
can come out of nothing.
-
Right?
-
But this just misses the point.
-
This is sort of obtuse
-
because there isn't nothing.
-
There are quantum laws.
-
Right?
-
You see that?
-
There are laws of physics
-
that are operative.
-
So those things
-
need to be explained.
-
It's not about
-
the existence
-
of material things as such.
-
It's the existence
-
of anything.
-
It's existence.
-
Period.
-
Full stop.
-
That we're trying to explain here.
-
Right?
-
Another thing
-
that we get from Ex nihilo,
-
another of his
-
incommunicable attributes,
-
is God's immutability.
-
God's not growing.
-
Being born from the salt
-
like the Aesir.
-
I love that view.
-
And that's one of the reasons
-
I shared it.
-
I love the view
-
of a cosmic cow
-
licking the ice
-
and a guy just coming out of it.
-
In the Duler Book of Myths,
-
there's actually
-
a really great picture
-
where the cow
-
is like licking
-
and it's like
-
you can start
-
seeing the hair
-
coming from the thing
-
like a cow lick
-
in your hair, right?
-
But God's not growing.
-
God's not developing.
-
He's not reaching
-
or striving.
-
God is perfect.
-
And therefore,
-
there's no need
-
for God to change.
-
Like his aseity,
-
God's immutability
-
is revealed
-
in his being
-
the only one
-
to not have a beginning.
-
So let's look at
-
Psalm 92.
-
where it says,
-
Before the mountains
-
were brought forth,
-
or ever you had formed
-
the earth
-
and the world
-
from everlasting
-
to everlasting,
-
you are God.
-
When we apply this
-
to the aspect of time,
-
God's immutability,
-
we arrive at God's
-
eternity.
-
He's the only beginning
-
that was always.
-
Right?
-
Revelations 1.8
-
I am the Alpha
-
and the Omega,
-
says the Lord God,
-
who is
-
and who was
-
and who is
-
to come,
-
the Almighty.
-
There wasn't a time
-
where God was not.
-
There wasn't a time
-
when God needed
-
to change
-
or to grow.
-
He didn't need
-
to take on humanity
-
to learn
-
what it was really like.
-
Does it make sense?
-
Sometimes we talk
-
like this.
-
Like God needed something.
-
Like he needs us.
-
Does God need us?
-
I hope not.
-
Because I'm not
-
going to be any help.
-
And we could go on.
-
There's so many things
-
we can draw
-
about God
-
from creation
-
ex nihilo.
-
His unity,
-
God's infinity,
-
his simplicity.
-
All of these attributes
-
are attempts
-
to articulate
-
this radical transcendence
-
that we have
-
in the Creator.
-
He's beyond all things
-
for he made all things
-
and there's no one
-
like him.
-
That's, I think,
-
the title,
-
should be the title
-
of what we learn
-
from creation
-
ex nihilo
-
is that there is
-
no one like him.
-
So,
-
that's God.
-
We're finished with God.
-
You know?
-
No, we're not.
-
So,
-
but what do we learn
-
about God?
-
What do we learn
-
about creation
-
from the doctrine
-
of creation
-
ex nihilo?
-
Well,
-
if God,
-
if discussing
-
God's transcendence
-
is leaving you
-
feeling cold,
-
making you think
-
if God's so distinct
-
from his creation,
-
if he's so different,
-
if he's so beyond,
-
if he doesn't need,
-
how can we say that
-
he's with us?
-
Right?
-
On the contrary,
-
this view makes God
-
closer
-
than you can even imagine.
-
If all things
-
depend on God
-
for their existence,
-
then that means
-
that we have
-
derivative existence.
-
Right?
-
If God is being,
-
that anything
-
that exists
-
is sort of
-
relying on God's being
-
to exist.
-
Are we getting that?
-
So,
-
this is all to say
-
we don't exist
-
autonomously.
-
I heard a
-
great analogy
-
where it's like,
-
you know,
-
before we're born,
-
we rely on this
-
umbilical cord
-
to exist.
-
Right?
-
We as human beings
-
we're kind of
-
attached to our mothers
-
where we receive
-
this existence.
-
We receive
-
our nourishment.
-
And sort of like
-
invisible umbilical cords.
-
We all walk around.
-
Everything walks around
-
connected to God,
-
relying on God
-
for its existence.
-
Right?
-
So,
-
we don't exist
-
autonomously.
-
we actually must
-
participate in
-
God's being
-
to be.
-
And so,
-
it's incorrect
-
to think of our
-
existence as the
-
result of blind
-
forces like
-
electromagnetism
-
or the weak
-
nuclear force
-
or gravity.
-
You know?
-
This is like,
-
these are the things
-
that we usually
-
think about when we
-
think about
-
like the bare
-
bones of existence
-
like these
-
laws,
-
these things
-
controlling how
-
atoms relate to
-
each other
-
or how atoms
-
are formed.
-
And surely,
-
these forces
-
have their place
-
in explaining
-
a host of
-
different phenomena
-
that we observe.
-
But no,
-
ultimately,
-
it is the personal
-
triune God
-
of Scripture
-
who is love,
-
who is also
-
the ground
-
and sustainer
-
of our very being.
-
Or as Paul quotes
-
Epimenides in Acts 17,
-
in Him,
-
we live and move
-
and have our being.
-
Speaking of Jesus
-
as the logos
-
of creation
-
in Colossians 1,
-
15-17,
-
Paul says that
-
He is the image
-
of the invisible God,
-
the firstborn
-
of all creation.
-
For by Him
-
all things were created
-
in heaven and on earth,
-
visible and invisible,
-
whether thrones
-
or dominions
-
or rulers
-
or authorities.
-
All things were created
-
through Him
-
and for Him
-
and He is before
-
all things
-
and in Him
-
all things hold together.
-
So far from
-
separating us from God,
-
the fact that
-
we are contingent,
-
that we are dependent
-
is actually
-
described in Scripture
-
God being our source
-
as our being
-
in Him.
-
We are not
-
separated from God.
-
We are in God.
-
Every moment,
-
second by second,
-
God sustains us.
-
We are connected
-
to Him.
-
This is one of the reasons
-
why sin is so heinous.
-
Right?
-
So,
-
if we conceive of sin
-
as rejection of God,
-
a turning away from Him,
-
it's actually
-
a rejection of life
-
and being itself.
-
Now,
-
this is actually
-
one of the reasons
-
philosophically
-
that we,
-
that the view
-
of sin
-
as privation
-
emerges in the church.
-
Right?
-
Sin is non-being.
-
Anyways,
-
we don't need to go
-
into that.
-
Unless you really want to.
-
Because I would love
-
to talk about that.
-
But,
-
yeah.
-
But more importantly,
-
actually,
-
it's so heinous,
-
sin is so heinous,
-
because
-
in rejecting God,
-
we actually have to
-
use the gift
-
of God's
-
sustaining work
-
in creation
-
to reject Him.
-
we stand
-
on top of God
-
on the limb
-
of God's
-
sustaining grace
-
and we start
-
cutting on the limb
-
saying,
-
I don't need you.
-
I reject you.
-
So,
-
this is the,
-
constitutes the most
-
severe form
-
of ingratitude.
-
As Paul says
-
in Romans 1,
-
for the wrath
-
of God
-
is revealed
-
from heaven
-
against all
-
ungodliness
-
and unrighteousness
-
of men
-
who by their
-
unrighteousness
-
suppress the truth.
-
For what can be known
-
about God
-
is plain to them
-
because God
-
has shown it to them.
-
For His invisible
-
attributes,
-
namely,
-
His eternal power
-
and divine nature
-
have been clearly
-
perceived
-
ever since the
-
creation of the world
-
in the things
-
that have been made.
-
So they are
-
without excuse.
-
For although
-
they knew God,
-
they did not
-
honor Him
-
as God
-
or give thanks to Him.
-
For they became
-
futile in their thinking
-
and their foolish
-
hearts were darkened.
-
Claiming to be wise,
-
they became fools
-
and exchanged
-
the glory of the
-
immortal God
-
for images
-
resembling mortal
-
man and birds
-
and animals
-
and creeping things.
-
You see how
-
by
-
sitting
-
and really
-
thinking about
-
what does it mean
-
for God
-
to be creator?
-
For God
-
to make everything
-
apart from Himself
-
and the fact
-
that we rely on God,
-
we're sustained
-
by God.
-
You can see how
-
silly
-
idolatry becomes.
-
we take
-
these things
-
that these other
-
created things
-
that we see
-
and we fashion
-
them and we
-
worship them
-
and how silly
-
it is when
-
those very things
-
rely on God
-
for their existence.
-
Right?
-
So thanks be to God
-
that He does not
-
reject us
-
in turn,
-
obviously,
-
but continues
-
in His mercy
-
to sustain us.
-
Right?
-
Right?
-
And,
-
not only that,
-
He entered
-
into contingency
-
by taking on
-
human nature
-
and then
-
even works
-
with the Holy Spirit
-
to reunite us
-
to Himself.
-
So sin is us
-
turning away
-
from God,
-
rejecting
-
being,
-
existence,
-
life,
-
goodness,
-
love,
-
everything that God is.
-
If we consider
-
sin as that thing,
-
then,
-
through Jesus
-
and the Holy Spirit,
-
we are brought
-
back to God,
-
back to being,
-
back to existence.
-
I like how
-
Herman Baving
-
puts it.
-
He says,
-
the doctrine of creation,
-
affirming the distinction
-
between the Creator
-
and His creature,
-
is the starting point
-
of true religion.
-
There is no existence
-
apart from God
-
and the Creator
-
can only be known
-
truly through revelation.
-
This creation
-
is properly said
-
to be ex nihilo,
-
out of nothing,
-
thus preserving
-
the distinction
-
in essence
-
between the
-
Creator and the world
-
and the contingency
-
of the world
-
and its dependence
-
on God.
-
The Son is the Logos
-
by whom the Father
-
creates all things.
-
And so here's
-
the interesting thing.
-
The whole world
-
is a realization
-
of an idea of God.
-
The creation proceeds
-
from the Father
-
through the Son
-
and in the Spirit
-
so that
-
in the Spirit
-
and through the Son
-
it may return
-
to the Father.
-
You see that?
-
Now, this actually
-
is referencing
-
that aspect of creation
-
whereas Jesus
-
as the Son,
-
God the Son
-
is the Logo,
-
sort of the
-
creating principle,
-
right?
-
The logic,
-
the thing that forms.
-
And so,
-
in some earlier Christians
-
like Augustine,
-
we find
-
he said
-
he likes to imagine
-
creation,
-
which as we all know
-
in the Trinity
-
is interpenetrating.
-
We can't really distinguish
-
fully all the acts
-
of God
-
into,
-
oh, that was the Father
-
but not the Son
-
and the Spirit, right?
-
We don't want to do that,
-
right?
-
But,
-
Augustine likes to
-
think of the Trinity's
-
separate activities
-
in the act of creation.
-
I shouldn't say
-
separate activities.
-
This is probably
-
a better word.
-
But as you can see,
-
as we talk about God,
-
our words start to fail,
-
right?
-
He likes to say
-
that God the Father
-
creates
-
like bare matter.
-
And then
-
God the Son
-
provides form
-
to that matter
-
and it is God the Spirit
-
that
-
actually
-
actuates it,
-
right?
-
So the way he imagines it
-
as we go through Genesis,
-
we're going to see
-
in the early chapters
-
God says
-
let there be
-
and that is
-
thought to be
-
God the Father
-
using the word
-
God the Son
-
to say let there be
-
and the Spirit saying
-
and there was.
-
Right?
-
So
-
it's a beautiful,
-
beautiful way
-
of thinking about
-
our creation.
-
And so
-
to finish up,
-
I was going to go
-
on this long tangent
-
about what it means
-
to glorify God.
-
I was going to use
-
a lot of words
-
and stuff
-
and then I started
-
writing it
-
and then I thought
-
what am I doing?
-
I can't write this
-
better than Scripture.
-
So
-
anybody have their
-
Bible here
-
wants to read
-
a significant
-
portion of Scripture?
-
Yeah.
-
Yeah?
-
Yeah.
-
Alright,
-
I got
-
Isaiah 46
-
if you do not mind.
-
Isaiah 46?
-
Yeah,
-
and as we read this
-
I want you guys
-
to think
-
about the things
-
that we've talked about.
-
God is ultimate.
-
God is the one God,
-
the true God.
-
The insanity
-
of idolatry
-
and how God
-
being the one creator
-
actually brings us
-
closer to him.
-
Allows God
-
to be the thing
-
that can save us
-
and bring us
-
back to himself.
-
Sorry,
-
go ahead.
-
Isaiah 46,
-
what?
-
Just the whole chapter.
-
Okay.
-
Okay.
-
Bel boweth down,
-
nebo,
-
stupid,
-
stupid.
-
Their idols
-
were upon the beast
-
and upon the cattle.
-
Their carriages
-
were heavy laden.
-
They are a burden.
-
They are a burden
-
to the weary beast.
-
They stoke.
-
They bow down together.
-
They could not
-
deliver the burden
-
but themselves
-
are gone into captivity.
-
Hearken unto me,
-
O house of Jacob
-
and all the remnant
-
of the house of Israel
-
which are born
-
by me
-
from the belly
-
which are carried
-
from the womb.
-
And even to your old age
-
I am key
-
and even
-
to whore hairs
-
will I carry you.
-
I have made
-
and I will bear
-
even I will carry
-
and will deliver you.
-
To whom will you liken me
-
and make me equal?
-
Compare me
-
that we may be alike.
-
They lavish gold
-
out of the bag
-
and weigh silver
-
in the balance
-
and hire a goldsmith
-
and he maketh it
-
a god.
-
They fall down.
-
Yea,
-
they worship.
-
They bear him up
-
upon the shoulder.
-
They carry him
-
and set him in place
-
and he standeth.
-
From his place
-
he shall not be removed.
-
Yea,
-
one shall cry unto him
-
yet can he not answer
-
nor save him
-
out of this trouble.
-
Remember this
-
and show yourselves men.
-
Bring it again to mind
-
for you transgressors.
-
Remember the former things
-
of old
-
for I am God
-
and there is none else.
-
I am God
-
and there is none
-
like me.
-
Declaring the end
-
from the beginning
-
and from the ancient times
-
the things
-
that are not yet done
-
saying
-
my counsel
-
shall stand
-
and I will do
-
all my pleasure.
-
Calling
-
a ravenous bird
-
from the east
-
the man that
-
executed my counsel
-
from a far country.
-
Yea,
-
I have spoken it.
-
I will also bring it to pass.
-
I have purposed it.
-
I will also do it.
-
Hearken unto me
-
ye stephearted
-
that are far
-
from righteousness.
-
I bring near
-
my righteousness.
-
I shall not be
-
far off
-
and my salvation
-
shall not carry.
-
I will place salvation
-
in Zion
-
for Israel.
-
Glory.
-
Magnificent.
-
worth
-
10,000 of my words.
-
I love this image
-
in the beginning.
-
They are taking Nebo
-
and they are taking Bel
-
and they are loading
-
him onto these donkeys
-
and the donkeys
-
are like
-
under the weight
-
of them as they go along.
-
And they can't even
-
get him all the way there.
-
They fail
-
in their attempts
-
to carry God
-
on their backs.
-
Right?
-
But what does God say?
-
I have born you
-
these other people
-
they are bearing
-
their gods
-
I bore you
-
from the womb.
-
Even to your old age
-
I am carrying you.
-
You guys see that?
-
See the contrast there
-
that we get?
-
And also that God
-
is not far off.
-
Right?
-
There is no one
-
like God
-
and that means
-
God is near.
-
Not far.
-
Alright.
-
Somebody else.
-
Who wants to read
-
Psalm 86?
-
You want to read it?
-
Go ahead Laura.
-
Incline your ear
-
O Lord
-
and answer me
-
for I am
-
poor and needy.
-
Preserve my life
-
for I am godly.
-
Save your servant
-
and trust in you.
-
You are my God.
-
Be gracious to me
-
O Lord
-
for to you
-
do I cry
-
all the day.
-
Gladen the soul
-
of your servant
-
for to you
-
O Lord
-
do I lift up
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my soul.
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For you
-
O Lord
-
are good
-
and forgiving.
-
Abounding
-
and steadfast love
-
to all who
-
call upon you.
-
Give ear
-
O Lord
-
to my prayer.
-
Listen to my plea
-
for grace.
-
In the day
-
of my trouble
-
I call upon you
-
and you answer me.
-
There is none
-
like you
-
among the gods
-
O Lord
-
nor are there
-
any works
-
like yours.
-
All the nations
-
you have made
-
shall come
-
and worship
-
before you
-
O Lord
-
and shall
-
glorify your name.
-
For you are great
-
and wonderful things.
-
You alone
-
are God.
-
Teach me your way
-
O Lord
-
that I may walk
-
in your truth.
-
Unite my heart
-
to fear your name.
-
I give thanks to you
-
O Lord
-
my God
-
with my whole heart
-
and I will glorify
-
your name forever.
-
For great is your
-
steadfast love
-
toward me.
-
You have delivered
-
my soul
-
from the death
-
of your soul.
-
O God
-
insolent men
-
have risen up
-
against me.
-
A band of
-
ruthless men
-
seeks my life
-
and they do not
-
set you
-
before them.
-
But you
-
O Lord
-
are a God
-
merciful
-
and gracious
-
slow to anger
-
and abounding
-
in steadfast love
-
and faithfulness.
-
Turn to me
-
and be gracious
-
to me.
-
Give your strength
-
to your servant
-
and save the son
-
of your maidservant.
-
Show me a sign
-
of your favor
-
that those who hate me
-
may see
-
and be put to shame
-
because you
-
Lord
-
have helped me
-
and comfort me.
-
Beautiful.
-
Beautiful.
-
Right?
-
We're needy.
-
We call on God.
-
We need God.
-
And because God
-
there are
-
because there's no one
-
like God
-
that exists
-
God is uniquely
-
placed
-
to answer
-
our
-
requests.
-
Right?
-
Even to need God
-
you've got to
-
presuppose a God.
-
Exactly.
-
Right.
-
It's beautiful.
-
So,
-
you know what?
-
I'm impressed
-
about this psalm
-
and really
-
a number of others
-
too.
-
So,
-
in this psalm
-
he makes sure
-
that his hearers
-
or readers
-
know
-
how tough
-
the situation
-
he is
-
is.
-
And yet,
-
unlike me,
-
he does
-
in his misery
-
raise his eyes
-
above his misery
-
and see
-
the greatness
-
and the
-
sovereignty
-
of God
-
the
-
power
-
of God
-
to deal
-
with
-
his situation.
-
Yeah.
-
Yeah.
-
Right?
-
Only
-
the creator God
-
only the God
-
who actually
-
is power
-
and being
-
and love
-
can actually
-
help us
-
in our time
-
of need.
-
Right?
-
And beyond that
-
not just God's
-
power but we
-
can trust God.
-
Right?
-
This is the
-
triune God
-
of scripture.
-
Right?
-
Our redeemer
-
our friend.
-
You know?
-
Talk about friends
-
in high places,
-
right?
-
All right.
-
Let me finish
-
with what I think
-
is really
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the exclamation
-
point.
-
It's a little
-
long but I
-
think it's
-
just so worth
-
reading.
-
This is Isaiah
-
40.
-
He says,
-
comfort,
-
comfort,
-
comfort my people
-
says your God.
-
Speak tenderly
-
to Jerusalem
-
and cry to her
-
that her warfare
-
is ended,
-
that her iniquity
-
is pardoned,
-
that she is received
-
from the Lord's hand
-
double for all her sins.
-
A voice cries,
-
in the wilderness
-
prepare the way
-
of the Lord.
-
Make straight in the desert
-
a highway for our God.
-
Every valley
-
shall be lifted up
-
and every mountain
-
and hill
-
be made low.
-
The uneven ground
-
shall become level
-
and the rough places
-
a plain.
-
And the glory of the Lord
-
shall be revealed
-
and all flesh
-
shall see it together
-
for the mouth
-
of the Lord
-
is spoken.
-
A voice says,
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cry,
-
and I say,
-
what shall I cry?
-
All flesh is grass
-
and all its beauty
-
is like the flower
-
of the field.
-
The grass withers,
-
the flower fades
-
when the breath
-
of the Lord
-
blows on it.
-
Surely the people
-
are grass.
-
The grass withers,
-
the flower fades,
-
but the word of our God
-
will stand forever.
-
Go on up
-
to a high mountain,
-
O Zion,
-
herald of good news.
-
Lift up your voice
-
with strength,
-
O Jerusalem,
-
herald of good news.
-
Lift it up,
-
fear not.
-
Say to the cities
-
of Judah,
-
behold your God.
-
Behold the Lord
-
comes with might
-
and His arm
-
rules for Him.
-
Behold His reward
-
is with Him
-
and His recompense
-
before Him.
-
He will tend
-
His flock
-
like a shepherd.
-
He will gather
-
the lambs
-
in His arms.
-
He will carry
-
them in His bosom
-
and gently lead
-
those that are
-
with young.
-
Who has measured
-
the waters
-
in the hollow
-
of His hand
-
and marked off
-
the heavens
-
with a span,
-
enclosed the dust
-
of the earth
-
in a measure
-
and weighed
-
the mountains
-
in scales
-
and the hills
-
in a balance?
-
Who has measured
-
the Spirit
-
of the Lord
-
or what man
-
shows Him
-
His counsel?
-
Whom did He
-
consult
-
and whom
-
made Him
-
understand?
-
Who taught Him
-
the path of justice
-
and taught Him
-
knowledge and showed Him
-
the way of understanding?
-
Behold,
-
the nations are like
-
a drop from a bucket
-
and are accounted
-
as the dust
-
on the scales.
-
Behold,
-
He takes up
-
the coastlands
-
like fine dust.
-
Lebanon
-
would not suffice
-
for fuel,
-
nor is its beast
-
enough for a burnt offering.
-
All the nations
-
are as nothing
-
before Him.
-
They are counted
-
by Him
-
as less than nothing
-
in emptiness.
-
To whom then
-
will you liken God?
-
Or what likeness
-
can pair with Him?
-
An idol.
-
A craftsman casts it
-
and a goldsmith
-
overlays it with gold
-
and casts for it
-
silver chains.
-
He who is too
-
impoverished for an offering
-
chooses wood
-
that will not rot.
-
He seeks out
-
a skillful craftsman
-
to set up an idol
-
that will not move.
-
Do you not know?
-
Do you not hear?
-
Has it not been told
-
you from the beginning?
-
Have you not understood
-
from the foundations
-
of the earth?
-
It is He
-
who sits above
-
the circle of the earth
-
and its inhabitants
-
are like grasshoppers,
-
who stretches out
-
the heavens
-
like a curtain
-
and spreads them
-
like a tent
-
to dwell in,
-
who brings princes
-
to nothing
-
and makes the rulers
-
of the earth
-
as emptiness.
-
Scarcely are they
-
planted,
-
scarcely sown,
-
scarcely has their stem
-
taken root in the earth
-
when He blows on them
-
and they wither
-
and the tempest
-
carries them off
-
like stubble.
-
To whom then
-
will you compare me
-
that I should be
-
like Him,
-
says the Holy One.
-
Lift up your eyes
-
on I and see
-
who created these.
-
He who brings out
-
their host by number
-
calling them all by name
-
by the greatness
-
of His might
-
and because He is
-
strong in power
-
not one is missing.
-
Why do you say,
-
O Jacob,
-
and speak, O Israel?
-
My way is hidden
-
from the Lord
-
and my right
-
is disregarded
-
by my God.
-
Have you not known?
-
Have you not heard?
-
The Lord is the everlasting God,
-
the Creator
-
of the ends of the earth.
-
He does not faint
-
or grow weary.
-
His understanding
-
is unsearchable.
-
He gives power
-
to the faint
-
and to him
-
who has no might
-
he increases strength.
-
Even youth
-
shall faint
-
and be weary
-
and young men
-
shall fall exhausted.
-
But they who wait
-
for the Lord
-
shall renew their strength.
-
They shall mount up
-
with wings like eagles.
-
They shall run
-
and not be weary.
-
They shall walk
-
and not faint.
-
This is the God
-
we worship.
-
You see all those
-
different aspects?
-
God is absolute,
-
almighty,
-
separate.
-
None is like him.
-
But God is also
-
the one who sustains.
-
He carries us
-
like lamb.
-
He's slow
-
with those
-
who have child.
-
And ultimately
-
it is God
-
who raises us up
-
on wings like eagles.
-
This is the God
-
we worship.
-
This is the Creator
-
who brings everything
-
out of nothing.
-
Alright,
-
that's it guys.
-
Any questions?
-
We have like five minutes
-
before we should go
-
downstairs and respond
-
appropriately with worship.
-
Yeah,
-
Lerami.
-
It seems to me
-
that the prevailing
-
version of the
-
creation story
-
in the Old Testament
-
is this one.
-
It is constantly
-
referenced
-
in the Psalms
-
and the prophets.
-
There is also
-
a version
-
that is
-
less referenced
-
but is present
-
especially
-
in some passages
-
like Psalm
-
74,
-
I think.
-
which is a more
-
conflict heavy
-
version
-
of the
-
creation story.
-
So,
-
could it be that
-
depending on
-
the different
-
theological
-
emphasis
-
that the author
-
is trying to make
-
he references
-
these two different
-
traditions
-
of the same story
-
the more
-
conflict heavy
-
tradition
-
where God
-
actually slains
-
the
-
serpent
-
and the serpent
-
creates everything
-
and liberates
-
his people
-
for example
-
and the version
-
where God
-
actually just
-
uses his word
-
to shape
-
everything.
-
Yeah,
-
I think that's
-
a great point.
-
I think we have
-
to be careful
-
of the context
-
here,
-
right?
-
So,
-
we think in
-
Genesis 1
-
we're receiving
-
the creation
-
account
-
in the
-
narrative
-
of the history
-
of all of
-
humanity
-
and then God's
-
people
-
so it's
-
sort of
-
the start
-
of the big
-
picture,
-
the big story
-
and we do
-
have other
-
accounts
-
where it
-
talks about
-
God
-
slaying
-
Rahab
-
or is it
-
Leviathan?
-
Slaying
-
these are
-
like pictures,
-
these are
-
symbols for
-
chaotic water,
-
that chaotic
-
water spirit
-
or water gods
-
that we talked
-
about,
-
some of these
-
other myths,
-
right?
-
I think
-
really,
-
so I think
-
it depends
-
on what the
-
point of the
-
passage is.
-
So,
-
I think
-
the point
-
of the
-
passages
-
like we
-
get in
-
Psalm 74
-
where it's
-
talking about
-
this conflict,
-
I don't think
-
it's necessarily
-
reflecting on
-
what creation
-
is like,
-
but more
-
like you
-
saying
-
Baal
-
is the
-
one who
-
slew this
-
person
-
and is the
-
one who
-
set up
-
this thing,
-
but it's
-
not Baal,
-
it's God.
-
God is the
-
one who
-
does these
-
things,
-
right?
-
And I
-
think we
-
can use
-
poetic
-
language to
-
discuss the
-
idea of
-
God taking
-
what could
-
be unformed
-
chaos and
-
forming it
-
into order
-
and structure,
-
right?
-
So,
-
for instance,
-
I think in
-
other passages
-
it talks about
-
the Israelites
-
crossing the
-
Red Sea as
-
God slaying
-
the water
-
spirit,
-
Rahab,
-
right?
-
And so,
-
I think we
-
can take
-
different passages
-
in the way
-
that they're
-
meant to be
-
taken,
-
so I
-
think probably
-
accounts like
-
in Exodus
-
or in Genesis
-
are meant to
-
be taken in
-
more of a
-
historical lens,
-
and these
-
other passages
-
are more
-
poetic riffs
-
on this
-
larger tradition.
-
Does that
-
make sense?
-
Yeah.
-
But I
-
think,
-
yeah,
-
there are
-
certainly,
-
you read
-
Job too,
-
I'm reading
-
Job right now,
-
you read
-
Job too,
-
there's all
-
kinds of
-
references to
-
God slaying
-
the
-
the serpents,
-
and these
-
are often
-
like images
-
of chaos
-
and unformed
-
water,
-
stuff like
-
that.
-
Yeah,
-
exactly.
-
Yeah?
-
So,
-
I like
-
that you
-
bring up
-
the different
-
pathologies
-
that the
-
Babylonian
-
and the
-
I wish.
-
I have
-
to think
-
that a lot
-
of our
-
kind of
-
modern
-
pathologies
-
are very
-
similar
-
to the
-
Babylonian
-
story.
-
I guess
-
I'm curious,
-
as you said,
-
you're a
-
scientist.
-
Yeah.
-
Technically.
-
At a broad
-
level,
-
do you see
-
your interest
-
in science
-
interacting
-
with the
-
idea of
-
creation?
-
Oh,
-
yeah,
-
certainly.
-
Certainly.
-
Where do you
-
see that?
-
Not necessarily
-
evolution,
-
per se,
-
but where
-
do you see
-
them kind
-
of interacting?
-
Yeah,
-
yeah,
-
I mean,
-
I think,
-
so,
-
that's a great
-
question.
-
I actually
-
had a
-
whole talk
-
on science
-
and faith
-
that you
-
don't need
-
to watch.
-
It's okay.
-
As it was
-
coming out
-
of my
-
mouth,
-
I was like,
-
I don't
-
do that.
-
Anyways,
-
but yeah,
-
a lot of
-
the things
-
I was
-
talking about
-
in that
-
talk were
-
discussing
-
sort of
-
those
-
overlaps.
-
So,
-
for instance,
-
there are a lot
-
of things in
-
science that
-
we take for
-
granted that
-
really don't
-
make any sense
-
unless you
-
put it into
-
a larger
-
world view.
-
So,
-
for instance,
-
why are there
-
regularities in
-
nature?
-
Why do
-
things actually
-
make sense
-
to the human
-
mind?
-
How can we
-
use math
-
to actually
-
describe things?
-
Right?
-
Because if math
-
isn't an actual
-
deeper reality,
-
if there isn't
-
actually a deeper
-
order to reality,
-
then math is
-
just a human
-
construct made
-
by man.
-
Right?
-
And so,
-
there really is
-
no reason we
-
should expect
-
for there to
-
be such deep
-
harmony between
-
what we conceive
-
of in our
-
mind and what
-
is actually
-
out there in
-
reality.
-
Right?
-
So,
-
the fact that
-
there's
-
regularities,
-
the fact that
-
there is
-
consistency,
-
there's all
-
kinds of
-
things that
-
are involved
-
in the
-
scientific
-
enterprise that
-
we take for
-
granted but
-
really don't
-
make any sense
-
if there's
-
such a thing
-
as purpose,
-
teleology,
-
a reason why
-
things should
-
happen,
-
and an order
-
to the
-
universe.
-
Does that
-
make sense?
-
So,
-
I think there's
-
a lot of
-
ways that
-
science and
-
my faith
-
interact.
-
I mean,
-
the understanding
-
of creation,
-
I feel like,
-
is just something
-
that we all
-
want to know.
-
We all want
-
to know where
-
we came from,
-
and as a
-
scientist,
-
I feel like
-
I confront
-
this more
-
often in my
-
everyday life
-
than the
-
average person.
-
So,
-
I think probably
-
that's where a
-
lot of my
-
interest comes
-
from.
-
Does that
-
answer your
-
question,
-
or did I
-
just totally
-
avoid it?
-
You did.
-
I'm sure you
-
have a lot
-
more to say.
-
Definitely.
-
Yeah.
-
Well,
-
it's about
-
three minutes
-
until church,
-
so why don't
-
we break and
-
head downstairs.
-
Thank you so
-
much,
-
guys.
-
Thank you so
-
much,
-
guys.
-
Thank you so
-
much,