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Work, Vocation & the Gospel

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  1. All right, good morning. I think it's 9.02 or 8.02 for those of you whose bodies are still adjusting to daylight savings.

  2. ! But I will go ahead and get started. We have quite a bit of ground to cover today.

  3. And so I will say welcome everyone to this new series on work, vocation and the gospel.

  4. This class is a natural sequel to the Sunday School class on the doctrine of creation that we just concluded.

  5. And for those of you who may have not listened or at least as a good reminder before we start,

  6. in that class we began or Luke began, I should say, by exploring the different ways to understand the creation story.

  7. Especially looking at ways we can remain faithful to core anchoring truths that I believe he referred to as non-negotiables.

  8. I think at some point in the class.

  9. Even as we hold them in tension to the contemporary and scientific accounts that are prevalent today.

  10. Then after this, Nick turned our attention to the doctrine of the creation of man.

  11. Exploring or expounding what it means to be created in the image and likeness of God and the implications of that today.

  12. Now, John Hinkson built on that by discussing the cultural mandate that is given to man in Genesis 1, 26-27.

  13. And tracing how that mandate intersects with the arc of the gospel.

  14. Creation for redemption and new creation.

  15. That class in many ways serves as the functional introduction to this one.

  16. And it's actually the bridge to this.

  17. So, if you haven't listened to it, Nick sent out a newsletter highlighting it.

  18. I would, again, encourage you to do so.

  19. Because much of what we will discuss across this series will connect to themes that John introduced in that class.

  20. But, because it is that important, if I could attempt to paraphrase John here.

  21. The cultural mandate, as he described it, derives from being created in the image and likeness of God.

  22. And it is essentially man's call to continue God's work of creative cultivation, which he, that is God, demonstrated in his work of creation.

  23. So, how does that cultural mandate serve as a bridge to this class, this series?

  24. John may have said it implicitly, but I will attempt to do so explicitly for the sake of this class.

  25. Work, at its core, as I see it, is essentially how we go about fulfilling that cultural mandate that God has given to us.

  26. Or, in other words, how we continue to creatively cultivate God's good creation.

  27. Our goal, then, in this class, or in this series, I should say, is to unpack, over the next seven to eight weeks,

  28. what the concept of work in the broader context of the story of salvation looks like.

  29. What is God's original intention and design for work?

  30. How sin and the fall corrupted and continues to corrupt God's grand design for it?

  31. And how, through the power of the gospel, our work can be and is redeemed today in a way that not just restores God's original design,

  32. but foreshadows and provides a foretaste of the fullness of what we would experience at the dawning of new creation.

  33. My goal, specifically today, is to set the stage for the rest of the series by taking a closer look at God's original design for work,

  34. as revealed in the Garden of Eden.

  35. And from there, if we have time, I will quickly sketch out the rest of the terrain that the remaining classes will cover.

  36. I'm not sure we will have time, but we'll try to get to that.

  37. And then I stated in the announcement blurbs for the series, our guide will be this book,

  38. Every Good Endeavor, written by Tim Keller.

  39. Alex and I, who will be teaching this course together, will borrow liberally from this book as we teach this series.

  40. We will supplement some of its ideas with a few of our own,

  41. but we'll recommend getting the book and going through it as we go along,

  42. so that you can, in some way, start to engage the ideas, even be ahead.

  43. We talked about setting a class atmosphere before people started coming in.

  44. You can read ahead and then come to class with questions that you have.

  45. So, with that, let us turn to the Lord in prayer to ask for his help as we begin to look at this topic together.

  46. Father Lord, we thank you for creating work and making it the means through which we join you in tending the rest of your good creation.

  47. Give us wisdom and insight as we look now into your work to explore your design for it.

  48. May that picture reveal to us ways you may be calling us now to reorient the work which we currently do to align with how you have made us

  49. and the purpose for which you made all things.

  50. That is, for the praise and glory of your name.

  51. I ask in Jesus' name.

  52. Amen.

  53. Alright, so like I said,

  54. today we are going to be spending much of our time looking at God's original intention and approach to work.

  55. And it is helpful in that case to look at the context where work first arose.

  56. And so, I will ask you to turn with me your Bibles to Genesis 1, 26.

  57. And I will read until the end of chapter 2.

  58. I may skip a few verses as we go.

  59. Because much of our class will be in some way like an exposition of these verses,

  60. Beth has kindly printed copies if you don't have your Bible.

  61. And I will ask you to follow along as I read.

  62. And then at the end, I am going to ask the class a couple of questions around,

  63. what do you see from this passage pertaining to God's design for work?

  64. And I will try and bring them all together after we do so.

  65. So, I will start.

  66. Again, I would say, I skipped a couple of verses.

  67. But anyway, if you are following in the passage,

  68. all I am going to read in the handout,

  69. all I am going to read is here.

  70. Okay, so, starting from verse 26, Genesis chapter 1, it says,

    Genesis 1 chapter mention

  71. Then God said,

  72. Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.

  73. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,

  74. and over the birds of the heavens,

  75. and over the livestock, and over all the earth,

  76. and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.

  77. And God blessed them, and God said to them,

  78. Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it,

  79. and have dominion over the fish of the sea,

  80. and over the birds of the heavens,

  81. and over every living thing that moves on the earth.

  82. And God saw everything that he had made,

  83. and behold, it was very good.

  84. And there was evening, and there was morning, the sixth day.

  85. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished,

  86. and all the hosts of them.

  87. And on the seventh day, God finished his work that he had done,

  88. and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done.

  89. So God blessed the seventh day, and made it holy,

  90. because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

  91. These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created,

  92. in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

  93. When no bush of the field was yet in the land,

  94. and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up,

  95. for the Lord had not caused it to rain on the land,

  96. and there was no man to work the ground,

  97. and a mist was going up from the land,

  98. and was watering the whole face of the ground.

  99. Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground,

  100. and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life.

  101. And the man became a living creature.

  102. And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden in the east,

  103. and there he put the man whom he had formed.

  104. And out of the ground the Lord God made to spring up

  105. every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food.

  106. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden,

  107. and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

  108. The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden

  109. to work it and keep it.

  110. And the Lord commanded the man, saying,

  111. You may surely eat of every tree of the garden,

  112. but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat.

  113. For in the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die.

  114. Now out of the ground the Lord God had formed every beast of the field

  115. and every bird of the heavens,

  116. and brought them to the man to see what he would call them.

  117. And whatever the man called every living creature,

  118. that was its name.

  119. The man gave names to all livestock,

  120. and to the birds of the heavens,

  121. and to every beast of the field.

  122. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him.

  123. So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man,

  124. and while he slept, took one of his ribs,

  125. and closed up its place with flesh.

  126. And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man,

  127. he made into a woman,

  128. and brought her to the man.

  129. All right.

  130. Hopefully as you were reading, you were thinking.

  131. So now this is where I open up the class,

  132. to get your ideas.

  133. What does this passage,

  134. or what are some of the things you observed from this passage,

  135. about God's design for work?

  136. Yes, ma'am.

  137. God all the time made,

  138. and everything he made perfect.

  139. Okay.

  140. You can see this to the perfection.

  141. Okay.

  142. God made everything perfect.

  143. Yes.

  144. How did God,

  145. was the process by which God made everything perfect?

  146. But please,

  147. all right.

  148. Yes.

  149. How is that?

  150. Yeah.

  151. Okay.

  152. With his work.

  153. Yeah.

  154. And with using man to take care of the field,

  155. and take care of the garden.

  156. Okay.

  157. So God created man to take care of the garden.

  158. Anything else?

  159. That's the problem of seeing when humans feel bigger than God.

  160. Ah.

  161. That's how it is.

  162. Nobody,

  163. I mean,

  164. you can even,

  165. you know,

  166. we are a grasshopper.

  167. Yes.

  168. So sin,

  169. we will find later,

  170. corrupts God's work.

  171. Yes.

  172. But,

  173. it's not in the passage today.

  174. Today is God's good design for work.

  175. What do we see?

  176. Yes.

  177. So work is good,

  178. it's a harsh part of our life,

  179. but it has limits.

  180. Okay.

  181. Work is good,

  182. work has limits.

  183. Where do we see that,

  184. that work has limits?

  185. That work has limits.

  186. God rested from his work.

  187. Okay.

  188. God rested from his work.

  189. Maybe God's work has limits.

  190. Why do we know that those limits apply to us?

  191. I should have mentioned,

  192. by the way,

  193. sorry,

  194. Susan,

  195. I should have mentioned,

  196. we see many ideas here that are amplified in the rest of scripture.

  197. So it's not,

  198. feel free if you have to defend to go outside of scripture.

  199. Yes.

  200. All right.

  201. All right.

  202. So we come in?

  203. Uh-huh.

  204. Yes.

  205. So we find out later that this was a specific pattern that God had for us,

  206. even though it doesn't say it so very explicitly in this passage.

  207. What else?

  208. There's still quite a few more.

  209. What do we see or learn about work in the passage?

  210. Well,

  211. Adam has administrative responsibilities.

  212. Okay.

  213. According to verse 26.

  214. Uh-huh.

  215. So what does that mean about work in general?

  216. Well,

  217. every job I've ever had

  218. has a certain amount of administrative responsibility,

  219. even if it's very circumscribed.

  220. Okay.

  221. Okay.

  222. Okay.

  223. So there are different elements or parts to the work that God gives us to do,

  224. is how I would generalize it.

  225. Ma'am.

  226. Can you perhaps fulfill God's purpose?

  227. Work is meant to fulfill God's purpose.

  228. Did I hear that right, Ma'am?

  229. Yeah.

  230. Yeah.

  231. Okay.

  232. Yeah.

  233. I think that's fair.

  234. Yes.

  235. Again, Peter?

  236. Work isn't meant to be alone.

  237. Mmm.

  238. Like God created a helper.

  239. Yeah.

  240. I struggle to include that.

  241. But I think it is true.

  242. We will come back to that at the implications.

  243. But yes.

  244. Work is not meant to be alone.

  245. I agree.

  246. I have a question.

  247. Do we have to rest for seven days?

  248. Do we have to rest?

  249. No, yeah.

  250. Like, you know, like special days.

  251. Okay.

  252. Ma'am, I will again come back to that.

  253. Oh.

  254. We will.

  255. No, no, no.

  256. It's good.

  257. Do we have to?

  258. So over the course of the class, there's a lot of the questions that, the implications for which we will tackle.

  259. Yes.

  260. Tackle.

  261. Yes.

  262. Alex, do you have?

  263. Okay.

  264. Anyone else?

  265. Josh?

  266. It seems like our work is meant to be an extension of God's authority or dominion.

  267. Mmm.

  268. He says have dominion.

  269. Okay.

  270. Yeah.

  271. Over creation.

  272. Yes, indeed.

  273. We, in some way, work underneath God's work.

  274. And that, I think, we will see also in the rest of the passage.

  275. Yes, Richard?

  276. So the passage is not exclusively about work because in verse 28, he says, be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth and subdue it.

  277. That's true.

  278. But increasing in number is not work.

  279. Yeah.

  280. So the cultural mandate of work is not the entire mandate that God gives us.

  281. And I think we're just looking at that particular mandate of, you know, subdue the earth.

  282. And I think John talked about it actually quite a bit in his class.

  283. But, yes, the entire mandate is not limited to work.

  284. Be fruitful and multiply is not essentially the work.

  285. But we're looking especially at the work element of it.

  286. Anyone else?

  287. The multiply can be to make things better, to multiply good.

  288. Okay.

  289. Okay.

  290. Or you make it easier.

  291. Okay.

  292. I think, like, work is tending beauty but also functional.

  293. Ah.

  294. So, Lord God made us bring up every tree that is pleasant to sight and good for food.

  295. Mm-hmm.

  296. Mm-hmm.

  297. Mm-hmm.

  298. Mm-hmm.

  299. Mm-hmm.

  300. Mm-hmm.

  301. Mm-hmm.

  302. Mm-hmm.

  303. Mm-hmm.

  304. Mm-hmm.

  305. Mm-hmm.

  306. Mm-hmm.

  307. Mm-hmm.

  308. Mm-hmm.

  309. Yeah.

  310. Yeah.

  311. I think, John, again, sorry, I keep referring to it.

  312. I really recommend you listen to the class.

  313. I listened to it twice and I read it.

  314. The transcript, it is that good.

  315. John talked about it.

  316. He, like, the creative, the word creative cultivation in some way brings together those two ideas of both the beauty,

  317. the creativeness, but the cultivation bringing order to it.

  318. And so, yes, 100%.

  319. Okay.

  320. Yes?

  321. Yes, ma'am.

  322. God is in order.

  323. He perfectly ordered.

  324. Yes.

  325. God's order.

  326. Our creative cultivation is actually patterned after God's way of work.

  327. Yes.

  328. So, God was also doing that ordering creation even after making it.

  329. All right.

  330. So, we have quite a number.

  331. So, I will walk through a couple of them just for comprehensiveness and then discuss what these observations tell us about the way God designed work to operate.

  332. I think, first of all, God worked, I think somebody may have said, and delighted in his work.

  333. We see this in verses 2, in chapter 2, verses 1 to 3.

  334. There is an inherent goodness to work, but it is something that God did and God enjoyed.

  335. It is in contrast with the perspective and myths of some of the ancient Greeks and also in some quarters today, which we will talk about later.

  336. The second is that it's not at least obvious because our Bible is in English, but I think Tim Keller in his book talks about how the word that was used to describe God's work was pedestrian work.

  337. It was a pedestrian work.

  338. It was the same word that was used to describe human work.

  339. God, in creation, was willing to get his hands dirty.

  340. And he literally got his hands dirty in forming man from the dust of the ground.

  341. And so, there is an essence in which God work is, it's not just, there is not a humbling aspect of work, but work takes on a great range of forms.

  342. And God's work spans that range from what we did creative to the actual manual and practical.

  343. And all of those, all that work is good.

  344. The next one somebody mentioned was work is done, I think, in rhythms.

  345. That's what Susan was talking about, like this, rhythms of work and rest.

  346. We see this dimly in each day.

  347. We didn't read Genesis 1, but we see that dimly in Genesis 1.

  348. Then we see it a bit more clearly in Genesis 2, verse 3, in the sense of God's work.

    Genesis 2:3

  349. But as I discussed, it comes to life more fully as we go further in Scripture.

  350. And then the explicit pattern in Exodus 20 is where it's set before us.

  351. And it states in verse 18, remember the Sabbath to keep it holy.

  352. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God.

  353. On it you shall not do any work.

  354. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day.

  355. Therefore, the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

  356. I read this and I thought it was funny.

  357. God, I don't think this is exactly what he's saying, but it sounded like, I made the heavens and the earth in six days.

  358. You can rest from your work because you're not making the heavens and the earth.

  359. I don't think that's exact.

  360. But it's like, yeah, you know, like how busy can you be that you cannot rest on the seventh day?

  361. A thought to consider.

  362. If we keep moving in the passage, we will also see that work was something that God created man to do and something that God calls him to do.

  363. And we see this in chapter 2, verse 15.

  364. And I will just try and find it here.

  365. It said,

  366. The Lord took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and keep it.

  367. Work was part of our original creation and purpose.

  368. And we will in some way come back to that later.

  369. Then next, we are designed to benefit from and enjoy the fruit of our work.

  370. We see this in chapter 2, verse 16.

  371. And it's a point that while it begins here, it's amplified in scripture.

  372. I think you all may be familiar when Paul picks this up.

  373. Deuteronomy picks this theme up about do not muzzle an ox while it is shredding the grain.

  374. And Paul, twice in the New Testament, picks this pattern up that the idea that we are, it's a good thing to be able to enjoy and reap the fruits of your work.

  375. And that's how work has always been.

  376. And so God, in asking the man to tend the garden, also encouraging him to eat of its fruit.

  377. Yes, ma'am.

  378. In heaven, we're going to walk too.

  379. Yes, that was a point that John made as well.

  380. Yes, indeed.

  381. We're going to walk.

  382. It's not going to be singing and, you know, all kinds of that.

  383. No, you know what I mean.

  384. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no.

  385. It's thinking, oh, more, more.

  386. We're going to be busy.

  387. Yes.

  388. Yes, indeed.

  389. And then finally, someone mentioned that we are called to a variety of work.

  390. I think Sarah, that was the point.

  391. I think Richard, it's Richard, right?

  392. Yes.

  393. Okay, yeah.

  394. Like Richard, you mentioned the administrative component of work.

  395. We see in this passage, Adam called to different kinds of work.

  396. He's called to creative work in naming the animals.

  397. He's also called to manual, practical work in 10 in the garden.

  398. There is a spectrum and a variety of work that God designs us to do.

  399. And then I think Peter mentioned a point that I didn't want to make too much of, but I do

  400. think it's very important that work was designed to be done in community, in a sense.

  401. I think community is a strong word because, you know, here the pattern, the bigger pattern

  402. at the core of this passage is marriage and the partnership in marriage.

  403. But I think it was a point that embedded in the nature of work helps us to see that that

  404. social component of work is a critical component.

  405. Actually, studies have shown that for those who go back to work, who may not even need to

  406. go financially for work, especially those who have rich retirement age, the social and

  407. meaning component of work is a primary driver of why many go back to work.

  408. So that part is definitely something that is worth us to consider.

  409. So how do these observations together tell us about the way God designed work to operate

  410. in a way that I think we can in some way engage on today?

  411. I think, first of all, work is good.

  412. I said that before.

  413. God's working and delighting in his work reminds us that there is an inherent goodness to work

  414. for it is something God did and enjoyed.

  415. I think, okay, I guess it comes in the second one.

  416. The second one is that we were created to work.

  417. I think it's, the Lord God made man in some way to tend the garden.

  418. If you read that, when he said, when, when it, in some way we start the narrative and talking

  419. about the creation of man, it talks about, you know, when there was no fruit or no shrub

  420. coming up in cultivation because there was yet no man to work the land.

  421. And God made man and God planted him in the garden to work the garden.

  422. We were made to work and work thus is a critical component of a meaningful life.

  423. Now, while work may take on different forms in different stages of our life,

  424. it is a key part of it.

  425. A life purely of pleasure and leisure, while often romanticized sometimes,

  426. is a life at risk of being devoid of meaning.

  427. We were designed to work and it's not something we have to do, but what we were created to do.

  428. So, if we are offered dreams of a life without any kind of work, sometimes that's the AI,

  429. the AI mantra.

  430. That dream is not, in some way, it's almost more closer to hell than heaven.

  431. In part because if you think as a, ma'am, I don't think I remember your name.

  432. Is it Julia?

  433. Oh, yeah.

  434. Julia?

  435. Yeah, yeah.

  436. Okay, yes.

  437. Working or serving.

  438. Yes.

  439. You can serve all made around.

  440. You know, not necessarily a serving.

  441. Serving community, serving anything.

  442. Yes.

  443. Yes, ma'am.

  444. But as Julia had said earlier, that if, as John put it in his class,

  445. that work will continue in the new heavens and new creation that God will bring about.

  446. You can then imagine, by definition, life without any form of work cannot be heaven.

  447. And if it is not heaven, I leave it to your imagination what that life is exactly.

  448. Maybe it is in hell that people don't work.

  449. They just suffer.

  450. But work is meaningful and is critical to the meaningful component of a life worth living.

  451. I think third is that God called man to work.

  452. Man did not define or create his own work, but responded to God's call to work.

  453. Now, underneath this is a couple of ideas that I think came up in the course of our discussion.

  454. First is that this work has a variety of forms.

  455. It's intellectual work, practical work, and neither of them set up intention against the other

  456. or as one being superior.

  457. And that goes a grain to grain of our world today, where depending on where we sit on that divide of intellectual work,

  458. white-collar work, or blue-collar work, we often tend to magnify one and demean the other.

  459. We see both of them coming together in the garden, and it's also coming together actually in God's own work itself,

  460. not necessarily just in man's work.

  461. And so we are reminded that there is no superiority in either of these kinds of work.

  462. But that said, even though we are called to a variety of work, Adam was still called to particular work.

  463. Now, you will notice that Adam was called to tend to a specific garden.

  464. He wasn't called necessarily to feed the birds of the air or the fish in the sea.

  465. He was called to tend the garden.

  466. And so maybe perhaps as humanity became fruitful and multiplied and filled the earth and subdued it,

  467. that broader mandate would have been picked up as it is in the variety of work.

  468. But if you look at Adam particularly, he was called to specific work.

  469. And thus, it is a reminder to us that there may be a variety of things that we are, but we are called to specific work.

  470. I don't want to go too deep in this because this is something that I think Alex, in his class next week on work as a calling,

  471. will speak in more detail about.

  472. In particular, as it relates to the idea that what God called Adam to,

  473. I mean, Alex, I'm speaking on your behalf, but I imagine,

  474. what God called Adam to was what is seemingly secular work.

  475. But it's actually in contrast to what we think about calling today.

  476. Adam was called to work the garden.

  477. And it was a great cry of the Reformation that all God, all work is God's calling to work.

  478. It's not all good work, I would say.

  479. It's God's calling to work.

  480. There is no special class for spiritual work that the people in the church do.

  481. We can all be called to the work that we're doing.

  482. But I will leave Alex to expand on that later.

  483. Next, and I think this goes deeper into what Susan had mentioned.

  484. This work that we are called to do came with constraints that were designed to remind us that we are not masters of our own selves.

  485. But our work is underneath a greater work, which is God's work.

  486. And our work is ultimately directed to the person who calls us to work.

  487. I think we had, in one of the sermons in the past, in the series that we're currently going to,

  488. the idea that when you are called, like being a steward of resources,

  489. you are called to do and manage them on behalf of someone.

  490. And we see these constraints that God has given.

  491. God put constraints in place in work, even in Eden,

  492. as a reminder of that reality,

  493. that we do not work as unto ourselves, but unto somebody,

  494. unto God who made us.

  495. And there are two, these constraints we see in two specific places.

  496. First, in the Sabbath.

  497. We talked a little bit about the Sabbath.

  498. And then secondly, we see it in the restriction God gives Adam

  499. to not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

  500. But because we generally chafe at the idea of constraints,

  501. we all think about, you know,

  502. best life is a life with all options and unconstrained.

  503. I can do whatever I want.

  504. But, I mean, as some of you know,

  505. there is this thing called the paradox of choice, right?

  506. Like if you are presented with too many options,

  507. you actually, it's harder to make decisions

  508. than when you are given a set of constrained choices.

  509. So even though we chafe at the sound of constraints,

  510. it is within the scope of these constraints

  511. that we are designed to enjoy and find meaning in our work.

  512. So if we look at the Sabbath, for example,

  513. we know that rest is good

  514. because being finite creatures is good for our recovery.

  515. But this rest was patterned after God's rest.

  516. And God, as we know in Psalm 121,

  517. neither slumbers nor sleep.

  518. So the primary purpose of this rest as a pattern

  519. is not just rest, physical rest,

  520. as it is, even if we look at Exodus 20,

  521. where it talks about the Sabbath is unto the Lord.

  522. The goal of rest, it came at the end, at the seventh day,

  523. almost as a sense that it is a pointer to an end to work.

  524. Now, end here I use not in the sense of chronological end,

  525. like it's finished,

  526. but in the teleological sense,

  527. in which there is an end as a purpose

  528. to which work is designed and oriented.

  529. When we enjoy the Sabbath,

  530. the goal of the Sabbath is meant to point us

  531. to an end to work,

  532. an end and a purpose and not a meaninglessness.

  533. And I think Keller points out this in his book

  534. around when he talks about leisure,

  535. that good leisure allows us to see and appreciate

  536. and reflect on the beauty and the purpose

  537. and the end of work.

  538. It's not really just,

  539. oh, I'm tired, I need a break after six days of work.

  540. It's actually an opportunity for us

  541. to step back and see

  542. this greater purpose of rest.

  543. And then furthermore,

  544. this is pre-fall or pre,

  545. yeah, this is even before the fall.

  546. After the fall,

  547. this idea of rest takes on an even bigger perspective

  548. in the rest of scripture.

  549. Hebrews talks about it ultimately,

  550. and I think picking up on Psalm 95,

  551. this idea of rest,

  552. that when we enter God's rest,

  553. we rest from our own labor.

  554. And that I think we're talking about

  555. in this series on Galatians,

  556. that ultimately we rest from our works

  557. in God's completed work.

  558. And that pattern was already set in the garden

  559. and set in this idea of Sabbath.

  560. So the Sabbath is not really just physical rest,

  561. but this idea of an end to work

  562. and an end, like I said,

  563. in the teleological sense,

  564. which means work,

  565. we can see work as purposeful and meaningful

  566. when we see it through the lens

  567. of the rhythms God has designed

  568. for work and rest,

  569. as revealed in the Sabbath.

  570. Then the second constraint we see in 2.17,

  571. where God gives man a command

  572. not to eat of the fruit of the tree

  573. of the knowledge of good and evil.

  574. Now, presumably that restriction

  575. did not mean that man was not allowed

  576. to tend the tree.

  577. Remember, that tree was in the garden,

  578. and Adam was called to tend the garden.

  579. Yet he was forbidden to eat from that tree.

  580. And depending on how you think about it,

  581. some commentators say

  582. there was nothing really special about that tree

  583. as it was meant to be a symbol

  584. of the constraints around which

  585. God had set man to work.

  586. It reminded Adam,

  587. whenever he tended that tree

  588. but not eating of it,

  589. that his work was as a subject

  590. of somebody who was greater.

  591. But if you notice,

  592. that restriction does not constrain Adam

  593. from enjoying everything else in the garden.

  594. And that, like,

  595. satisfying the restriction of,

  596. I will not eat from this tree

  597. did not mean,

  598. oh, now I'm suffering.

  599. He could eat from whatever tree.

  600. He could eat from the tree of life,

  601. from all these other trees,

  602. as long as he remembered

  603. that this tree,

  604. that knowledge of good and evil

  605. was a tree that he was forbidden from eating.

  606. Yes, ma'am.

  607. I have a question about that.

  608. Yes.

  609. So, as well as the point of his authority

  610. over Adam,

  611. would it not be important

  612. that he not eat of that tree

  613. because when he did,

  614. he had to leave?

  615. Yes.

  616. But, yeah.

  617. That tree,

  618. I mean,

  619. it was,

  620. it was even more than,

  621. it was as well,

  622. as well as God's authority,

  623. that tree held a door open

  624. that was shut down

  625. because he chose it.

  626. Yeah,

  627. I think there are two elements

  628. in which we can talk about

  629. the tree of the knowledge

  630. of good and evil.

  631. Like there could be,

  632. like I said,

  633. some commentators would say,

  634. I said,

  635. some would say

  636. there was nothing special about the tree.

  637. Some may say

  638. there was something special about the tree.

  639. Regardless of whether

  640. there was something special

  641. about the tree or not

  642. in a practical sense

  643. of what it did,

  644. there was a bigger point

  645. to the tree.

  646. And that was,

  647. at the very least,

  648. it would remind Adam

  649. that you are not the commander

  650. of this garden.

  651. Right.

  652. You,

  653. this garden,

  654. you are putting here to work

  655. underneath the command

  656. of someone.

  657. And I'm,

  658. knowledge of tree

  659. opened the door

  660. to the earth

  661. of science.

  662. And a lot of people

  663. don't believe that.

  664. Yeah.

  665. Maybe,

  666. I don't know.

  667. No,

  668. I think,

  669. I'm trying to avoid

  670. the conversation

  671. around the elements

  672. of the tree

  673. because I do think

  674. that regardless

  675. of what you think

  676. about the purpose

  677. of the tree,

  678. the bigger purpose

  679. of the tree

  680. still stands.

  681. Yes,

  682. ma'am.

  683. Could it be also

  684. obedience

  685. and honoring God?

  686. I mean,

  687. God is asking

  688. that,

  689. of course,

  690. you're going to

  691. honor and be obedient.

  692. Yes,

  693. exactly.

  694. Yes.

  695. So the point is

  696. that the signifying

  697. obedience

  698. is how we,

  699. we work

  700. underneath

  701. God.

  702. It's like a symbol

  703. of man's status

  704. relative to God.

  705. We are not gods

  706. of our own selves.

  707. We are created

  708. underneath

  709. someone

  710. to work.

  711. I think,

  712. yeah,

  713. so we see this point,

  714. by the way,

  715. picked up

  716. in different parts

  717. of scripture

  718. later on.

  719. This idea that

  720. even though

  721. we enjoy the benefits

  722. of our work,

  723. there are portions

  724. of the benefits

  725. of our work

  726. that are restricted

  727. to us somewhat

  728. as a reminder

  729. that the work

  730. is not ours.

  731. We see in the

  732. Old Testament

  733. this idea of the tithe

  734. that was God's

  735. portion in the

  736. things that he had

  737. given them.

  738. Presumably,

  739. again,

  740. a way I'm not saying

  741. there's one-to-one

  742. correlation,

  743. but this idea

  744. that there are

  745. reminders in the

  746. work that we do

  747. and the fruit of

  748. our work,

  749. even though we

  750. can enjoy it,

  751. that remain to

  752. God.

  753. When God,

  754. beyond even the

  755. tithe,

  756. right,

  757. when God was

  758. giving the

  759. Israelites laws

  760. about harvest,

  761. they were not

  762. to harvest to

  763. the very edge

  764. of their field

  765. and harvest every

  766. little grain.

  767. They were meant

  768. to leave things

  769. as they went,

  770. things that fell off.

  771. It gained that

  772. idea that there

  773. was a portion

  774. in our work

  775. that does not

  776. belong to us.

  777. As we think

  778. about that,

  779. regardless of

  780. what you believe

  781. today about

  782. tithe or not,

  783. there is a sense

  784. that of the

  785. work that we

  786. do,

  787. all of the

  788. fruit does not

  789. belong to us

  790. because it's a

  791. reminder that

  792. our work

  793. comes from

  794. someone else.

  795. prayer.

  796. Prayer.

  797. Prayer.

  798. You have time

  799. for God.

  800. Prayer.

  801. Prayer is very

  802. important.

  803. Yeah, that is

  804. fair.

  805. So what's the

  806. definition of work?

  807. Ah, what is the

  808. definition of work?

  809. I thought I said

  810. it implicitly in the

  811. beginning, but I

  812. think it's a good

  813. one and I will

  814. call it back.

  815. I will go back to

  816. that.

  817. I think work

  818. is the way we

  819. continue God's

  820. mandate in this

  821. creative cultivation

  822. of the world

  823. today.

  824. That is work.

  825. That is how we

  826. were meant to

  827. fulfill the

  828. cultural part of

  829. that mandate.

  830. Like Richard

  831. mentioned, there

  832. are multiple

  833. parts of this

  834. mandate that he

  835. gave in 126 to

  836. 27, and that's

  837. what we would

  838. unpack in Genesis

  839. 126 to 27.

  840. That part of

  841. continuing his

  842. creative cultivation

  843. of the world

  844. is work.

  845. work.

  846. How we do

  847. that is what's

  848. work.

  849. Now, that

  850. definition, though,

  851. I would say is

  852. not complete.

  853. It's not complete

  854. because the New

  855. Testament picks

  856. up more.

  857. There is almost

  858. like a component

  859. of that element

  860. that we see more

  861. clearly in the

  862. New Testament, but

  863. I want to hold

  864. that thought for

  865. when we then

  866. come back to

  867. what is added to

  868. that definition

  869. of work, that

  870. the New Testament

  871. really, really

  872. amplifies.

  873. Josh, you had a

  874. question?

  875. This might go

  876. wrong with that,

  877. but we touched

  878. on the end of

  879. the purpose, the

  880. telos of work, but

  881. I wasn't clear on

  882. did we come down

  883. on that somewhere?

  884. Did we define that?

  885. The purpose of

  886. work.

  887. That was the last.

  888. Well, the purpose

  889. of work I mentioned

  890. earlier in the

  891. prayer, but it was

  892. actually the subject

  893. of Nick's last

  894. class in the

  895. previous series.

  896. The purpose of

  897. all is for God's

  898. ultimate glory.

  899. That's the end

  900. of all creation.

  901. Okay, you did

  902. say that.

  903. Yes, but yeah,

  904. no, I think.

  905. Okay, so if this

  906. is what work was

  907. meant, let me pause

  908. because before we

  909. transition to the

  910. rest of this

  911. class, any

  912. further questions?

  913. I have tried to

  914. take a few as we

  915. went along.

  916. No?

  917. Okay.

  918. I'm going to write

  919. it down to daylight

  920. savings.

  921. People are still

  922. booting.

  923. It's still 840.

  924. It's 840.

  925. Yes, Sarah.

  926. Yes.

  927. Just to provide a

  928. perspective to

  929. like maybe thinking

  930. about the scope of

  931. work as broader

  932. than just vocation,

  933. but, you know,

  934. some of like,

  935. let's say,

  936. I'm hearing people

  937. and other things

  938. just to throw some

  939. kind of other

  940. perspectives out

  941. there.

  942. Yeah, so.

  943. I mean, all that

  944. falls under what

  945. you said, but just

  946. to kind of make it

  947. explicit.

  948. So, no, I agree.

  949. We will notice it

  950. says nothing about,

  951. I mean, even though

  952. we are enjoined to

  953. benefit from the

  954. work, it says

  955. nothing about being

  956. paid for the work.

  957. And so sometimes

  958. people are like,

  959. ah, if the work

  960. I'm not paid is

  961. volunteer, like being

  962. a stay-at-home

  963. parent.

  964. Well, you could

  965. even say that the

  966. Bible shows that

  967. that is really work.

  968. There was a stay-at-home

  969. parent who was

  970. actually paid to be

  971. a stay-at-home parent

  972. in Scripture.

  973. Do you know who

  974. that is?

  975. Somebody who was

  976. paid to be a

  977. parent.

  978. Was it Moses'

  979. parents?

  980. Exactly.

  981. Moses' mom was

  982. paid to be a

  983. mom.

  984. In some way, like,

  985. so if you argue

  986. that, like, it's

  987. not paid, well, it

  988. has been paid in

  989. Scripture.

  990. And, like, I

  991. mean, for those of

  992. us who work, who

  993. keep our kids in

  994. daycare, we pay

  995. people to care for

  996. our kids.

  997. So even though

  998. there's not

  999. necessarily a, to

  1000. your point, a

  1001. financial exchange

  1002. in that, like, this

  1003. is work.

  1004. Because even

  1005. children are the

  1006. gifts of God, and

  1007. we are called to

  1008. cultivate them in

  1009. some way.

  1010. I mean, we use

  1011. different words

  1012. because they are

  1013. human beings.

  1014. But in the way

  1015. of the Lord, and

  1016. that creative

  1017. cultivation that

  1018. is done as

  1019. parents is part of

  1020. God's design for

  1021. work.

  1022. Even though you

  1023. could argue that

  1024. because it's a

  1025. special class, we

  1026. call it something

  1027. else.

  1028. We call it

  1029. parenting.

  1030. But it is as

  1031. much work as

  1032. regular work as

  1033. most people who

  1034. have kids will

  1035. attest.

  1036. I think from a

  1037. worldly standpoint,

  1038. being a stay-at-home

  1039. mom for a number of

  1040. years, raising my

  1041. kids, I had to

  1042. finally realize,

  1043. instead of always

  1044. defending myself,

  1045. like, you know,

  1046. people would say,

  1047. oh, it must be

  1048. nice.

  1049. Yeah, it's a joy.

  1050. You know, it's

  1051. wonderful.

  1052. Was that the day

  1053. that my value is

  1054. equated to a

  1055. paycheck written by

  1056. someone of this

  1057. world totally

  1058. negates my value as

  1059. a child of God.

  1060. And there's no

  1061. connection.

  1062. And when you can

  1063. finally, when I

  1064. could, at least me,

  1065. could finally,

  1066. clearly, I stopped

  1067. defending myself as,

  1068. well, I'm not

  1069. working right now,

  1070. but I will again

  1071. someday.

  1072. I've been working

  1073. since the day I was

  1074. born, and I will

  1075. until the day I die

  1076. for God's glory.

  1077. And that's all I was

  1078. doing.

  1079. And that was really

  1080. important for me.

  1081. So, you know, when

  1082. you say what the

  1083. work is, it's all

  1084. for His glory.

  1085. And it's, we

  1086. benefit from us,

  1087. but He didn't have

  1088. to give us all

  1089. those benefits that

  1090. He gave us.

  1091. He could have

  1092. said, I don't want

  1093. you to eat anything

  1094. out of the garden.

  1095. Just go and take

  1096. care of it in order

  1097. to get the dog

  1098. else to get it.

  1099. Exactly.

  1100. I mean, but,

  1101. you know, in our

  1102. sin, obviously,

  1103. that's the whole

  1104. other part.

  1105. We mess it all

  1106. up.

  1107. Yeah.

  1108. Okay.

  1109. Even like

  1110. retirement, you

  1111. know, just

  1112. different phases

  1113. of life work can

  1114. take a very

  1115. different picture

  1116. than just, you

  1117. know, plan-clied

  1118. vocation or

  1119. whatever we think

  1120. of traditionally,

  1121. just calling that

  1122. out.

  1123. I agree.

  1124. Yes, ma'am?

  1125. And parenting

  1126. is not the most

  1127. important.

  1128. It's certainly

  1129. most important,

  1130. very important,

  1131. and,

  1132. it's 24,

  1133. you know,

  1134. 24-7,

  1135. but it's,

  1136. it's, yeah.

  1137. Yeah.

  1138. I think it's the

  1139. most important

  1140. thing that we

  1141. are called,

  1142. I think we are

  1143. the most,

  1144. it's the most

  1145. important thing

  1146. that we are

  1147. called to do

  1148. because everything

  1149. else we have

  1150. to do are

  1151. dealing with

  1152. things that

  1153. will pass away.

  1154. But the souls

  1155. of the kids

  1156. that we are

  1157. giving are

  1158. eternal.

  1159. Like, we are

  1160. human beings

  1161. and caring for

  1162. people,

  1163. actually, I

  1164. would say,

  1165. maybe more

  1166. extendedly,

  1167. right?

  1168. Like, people

  1169. are the one

  1170. eternal thing

  1171. that we walk

  1172. around and

  1173. exchange,

  1174. and engage

  1175. with, and I

  1176. think engaging

  1177. with eternal,

  1178. I think, is

  1179. definitely important.

  1180. All right, so,

  1181. if this is the

  1182. design for work,

  1183. we can see that

  1184. there are many

  1185. elements of this

  1186. design that

  1187. still resonate,

  1188. or still,

  1189. we can think

  1190. about as we

  1191. consider work

  1192. today.

  1193. Even though

  1194. sin has

  1195. corrupted,

  1196. sin in its,

  1197. sin actually

  1198. corrupts much

  1199. of what was

  1200. God's original

  1201. design for

  1202. work.

  1203. If we go

  1204. back to the

  1205. list that I

  1206. had, right,

  1207. like, what

  1208. did it mean?

  1209. That, you

  1210. know, the

  1211. idea that

  1212. work is good

  1213. is corrupted

  1214. by sin,

  1215. like people

  1216. think, and

  1217. there is

  1218. work that

  1219. is evil,

  1220. and it's

  1221. evil because,

  1222. you know,

  1223. men have in

  1224. their desire

  1225. for some of

  1226. the other

  1227. characteristics of

  1228. good work

  1229. have corrupted

  1230. the goodness

  1231. that is in

  1232. work.

  1233. work being

  1234. good is

  1235. corrupted by

  1236. sometimes,

  1237. like,

  1238. meaningless

  1239. work,

  1240. droning on

  1241. work, or,

  1242. you know,

  1243. we probably

  1244. have, like,

  1245. working in

  1246. sweatshops,

  1247. or labor

  1248. that the

  1249. corruption of

  1250. sin has

  1251. seeped into

  1252. God's design.

  1253. Work being

  1254. really fruitful,

  1255. so if we see

  1256. the garden,

  1257. the Bible

  1258. talks about

  1259. God planting

  1260. a garden that

  1261. yielded so

  1262. much fruit,

  1263. and then Adam

  1264. was just called

  1265. to tend,

  1266. and then after

  1267. they sinned,

  1268. the first thing

  1269. God tells Adam

  1270. is that the

  1271. ground will no

  1272. longer be

  1273. fruitful,

  1274. that by the

  1275. sweat of his

  1276. brow, the

  1277. idea that we

  1278. sometimes labor

  1279. so much to

  1280. produce only

  1281. very little,

  1282. that is a

  1283. function of

  1284. sinning, and

  1285. it's a reality

  1286. that we still

  1287. live in today.

  1288. I think our

  1289. desire to

  1290. define and

  1291. create our

  1292. work, it is

  1293. the mantra of

  1294. today.

  1295. You can be

  1296. everything you

  1297. ever wanted to

  1298. be, like, your

  1299. mind is the

  1300. limitation.

  1301. You can, of

  1302. course, identify

  1303. the good that

  1304. people are trying

  1305. to point to

  1306. in some of

  1307. that, like,

  1308. John also

  1309. mentioned in

  1310. this class about

  1311. being good

  1312. cultural critics

  1313. that recognizing

  1314. the good in

  1315. some of these

  1316. things, and yet

  1317. the corruption

  1318. of sin, but

  1319. yet, as we

  1320. find out in the

  1321. garden, that is

  1322. actually not

  1323. true.

  1324. We are

  1325. designed to

  1326. be all that

  1327. God calls us

  1328. to be, and

  1329. the work is

  1330. figuring out

  1331. what God

  1332. calls us to

  1333. be.

  1334. I think there's

  1335. a quote, I

  1336. forgot to look

  1337. it up, that

  1338. Einstein said,

  1339. or it's attributed

  1340. to Einstein, that

  1341. if a fish spends

  1342. all his time

  1343. trying to, like,

  1344. climb a tree,

  1345. you may think

  1346. he was made

  1347. for nothing,

  1348. but that's

  1349. because that's

  1350. not where the

  1351. fish was designed

  1352. to operate.

  1353. And so some

  1354. of that idea

  1355. of recognizing

  1356. the constraints

  1357. of which the

  1358. work that we

  1359. have been

  1360. called to do,

  1361. what God

  1362. has called us

  1363. to do is

  1364. where work

  1365. has always

  1366. been fruitful

  1367. and flourish.

  1368. everybody has

  1369. different work,

  1370. you know,

  1371. everybody is

  1372. important, so

  1373. somebody is

  1374. saying mindless

  1375. work, but

  1376. everybody is

  1377. different.

  1378. Yeah, that's

  1379. fair.

  1380. Beth?

  1381. It seems

  1382. like work is

  1383. sort of this

  1384. way of

  1385. participation in

  1386. creation, and

  1387. when we are

  1388. working as

  1389. unto the

  1390. Lord, or we

  1391. think working

  1392. pre-fall

  1393. mentality, it

  1394. sort of is

  1395. both an

  1396. expanding of

  1397. us and a

  1398. cultivating of

  1399. us, as well

  1400. as expanding

  1401. and cultivating

  1402. God's created

  1403. order.

  1404. I think we

  1405. like, we

  1406. grow, I guess

  1407. would be a

  1408. simple way to

  1409. say that.

  1410. I think what

  1411. seems to enter

  1412. in through the

  1413. fall is

  1414. exploitation.

  1415. Like, even

  1416. when we're

  1417. toiling and

  1418. it's not

  1419. yielding much

  1420. harvest,

  1421. it's sort

  1422. of like

  1423. exploiting, and

  1424. then when we

  1425. think about the

  1426. interpersonal power

  1427. dynamics and

  1428. whatnot, there's

  1429. often just that

  1430. entrance of

  1431. exploitation as

  1432. opposed to

  1433. cultivating.

  1434. Yeah.

  1435. I think that's

  1436. fair.

  1437. I think that

  1438. sense of

  1439. exploitation, I

  1440. think, connects

  1441. quite well to

  1442. this idea of

  1443. not all the

  1444. often results

  1445. when we are

  1446. trying to get

  1447. everything we

  1448. can from the

  1449. work that we

  1450. do.

  1451. But the idea

  1452. that, like I

  1453. mentioned, work

  1454. had originally

  1455. always been

  1456. designed in

  1457. some way for

  1458. there to be a

  1459. part of our

  1460. work that is

  1461. not really for

  1462. us or about

  1463. us.

  1464. And I think

  1465. in relating to

  1466. that, I think

  1467. your point around

  1468. exploitation and

  1469. where some of

  1470. that comes from

  1471. and a desire to

  1472. grab and hold

  1473. on to everything

  1474. that we can, I

  1475. think definitely

  1476. stems from

  1477. that.

  1478. Yes,

  1479. Christina.

  1480. Could we

  1481. also expand

  1482. the topic of

  1483. children to

  1484. spiritual children

  1485. and discipleship

  1486. for those who

  1487. don't have

  1488. children and

  1489. yeah, kind

  1490. of outside of

  1491. them?

  1492. Yeah, I

  1493. think so.

  1494. But in that

  1495. case, you

  1496. could even

  1497. think about

  1498. that work

  1499. as almost

  1500. directly spiritual

  1501. work, which

  1502. we would

  1503. actually recognize

  1504. today as

  1505. spiritual work

  1506. of people who

  1507. disciple others.

  1508. In some

  1509. churches, they

  1510. even have

  1511. positions of

  1512. spiritual director

  1513. or something.

  1514. So, yes, we

  1515. can because we

  1516. already do so

  1517. in any case.

  1518. Okay.

  1519. All right.

  1520. So, we were

  1521. talking about

  1522. other ways in

  1523. which sin

  1524. corrupts God's

  1525. grand design.

  1526. I think I was

  1527. talking about the

  1528. idea that we are

  1529. the masters of

  1530. our own work and

  1531. I think this idea

  1532. is a sinful

  1533. idea.

  1534. We are created

  1535. to work as God

  1536. calls us to

  1537. work and we

  1538. need to be

  1539. figuring out

  1540. what does that

  1541. mean to be

  1542. called.

  1543. And again, that

  1544. I think is a

  1545. topic we will

  1546. discuss in the

  1547. next class.

  1548. Work also, as

  1549. Keller talks

  1550. about in his

  1551. book, becomes

  1552. selfish.

  1553. It becomes all

  1554. about us.

  1555. It downstream

  1556. of that idea

  1557. of being

  1558. masters.

  1559. And he uses

  1560. the Tower of

  1561. Babel as an

  1562. example of that

  1563. selfish, self-oriented,

  1564. self-glorifying

  1565. element of work

  1566. that was not

  1567. designed in the

  1568. beginning.

  1569. And so, over

  1570. the course of

  1571. this class, we

  1572. will talk about

  1573. this part of

  1574. work, like

  1575. going into detail

  1576. and how work

  1577. has been

  1578. corrupted and

  1579. how then

  1580. ultimately landing

  1581. at how the

  1582. gospel redeems

  1583. work.

  1584. The gospel

  1585. gives us a

  1586. new narrative

  1587. for work and

  1588. a new power

  1589. and a new

  1590. purpose for the

  1591. work that we do.

  1592. And maybe to

  1593. the point that

  1594. I mentioned

  1595. earlier, in

  1596. the gospel, and

  1597. that's the

  1598. addendum to the

  1599. definition of

  1600. work that I

  1601. said in the

  1602. beginning, in

  1603. the gospel we

  1604. see work

  1605. repeatedly being

  1606. talked about in

  1607. the context of

  1608. service to

  1609. others.

  1610. And so, you

  1611. could argue that

  1612. it is sort of

  1613. embedded in that

  1614. creative cultivation

  1615. that I defined

  1616. earlier, but it's

  1617. not as explicit.

  1618. That work is

  1619. continuing this

  1620. work of God's

  1621. creative cultivation.

  1622. work in the

  1623. service of

  1624. others.

  1625. And that lens

  1626. of working to

  1627. serve others is

  1628. a lens that we

  1629. will come back

  1630. to in the

  1631. final phase of

  1632. the purpose of

  1633. work.

  1634. Paul admonishes

  1635. he that steals

  1636. should steal no

  1637. longer, but

  1638. work with his

  1639. hands.

  1640. Not so that he

  1641. can stop stealing

  1642. to satisfy, but

  1643. so that he may

  1644. have something to

  1645. give.

  1646. Because actually

  1647. working was a

  1648. way to transform

  1649. stealing from

  1650. taking to give

  1651. everything.

  1652. Because work is

  1653. meant to be done

  1654. in service of

  1655. others.

  1656. In fact, we

  1657. will talk about

  1658. that in the

  1659. latter part of

  1660. the class, about

  1661. the gospel's

  1662. redemption of

  1663. work.

  1664. So, yes

  1665. ma'am.

  1666. God doesn't like

  1667. pride.

  1668. Very, very

  1669. against God.

  1670. So, somebody

  1671. working for, you

  1672. know, for

  1673. pride, yeah,

  1674. God doesn't like

  1675. pride.

  1676. Yeah, no,

  1677. absolutely.

  1678. And that embracing

  1679. that humility that

  1680. comes with work is

  1681. also something that,

  1682. to Julia's point,

  1683. the New Testament

  1684. picks up.

  1685. I think Paul

  1686. mentions, I

  1687. think it's in

  1688. Thessalonians,

  1689. like, you know,

  1690. aspire to live a

  1691. quiet life and to

  1692. work with your

  1693. hands.

  1694. Not because

  1695. working with your

  1696. hands, in some

  1697. way that, because

  1698. in that culture

  1699. working with our

  1700. hands was seen

  1701. as, you know,

  1702. second grade to

  1703. working with your

  1704. minds in the

  1705. Greek and the

  1706. Roman culture of

  1707. the day.

  1708. And so that

  1709. humbling aspect of

  1710. the humility that

  1711. comes with service,

  1712. I think is

  1713. something that is

  1714. part of the new

  1715. narrative of how

  1716. we should think

  1717. about work.

  1718. So I think I

  1719. will end there

  1720. unless there are

  1721. more questions.

  1722. Yes, Richard.

  1723. If work is good,

  1724. and I agree,

  1725. is unemployment

  1726. a great evil?

  1727. I think it would

  1728. depend on what

  1729. the drivers of

  1730. the unemployment

  1731. are.

  1732. Yeah, I think

  1733. it depends.

  1734. What's causing

  1735. the unemployment?

  1736. Well, most

  1737. economists would

  1738. agree that a

  1739. certain level of

  1740. unemployment is

  1741. desirable.

  1742. Yeah, I think

  1743. that that is,

  1744. I don't know

  1745. then that it's,

  1746. so I think it

  1747. depends on how

  1748. you define

  1749. unemployment and

  1750. the context in

  1751. which when they

  1752. talk about

  1753. unemployment, I

  1754. think they

  1755. generally talk

  1756. about paid

  1757. employment.

  1758. So unemployment

  1759. in that regard

  1760. maybe you could

  1761. debate, but

  1762. whether you are

  1763. paid or not,

  1764. people who work

  1765. at home, I

  1766. don't think are

  1767. technically, I

  1768. don't know how

  1769. they are accounted

  1770. for in the

  1771. unemployment numbers,

  1772. but we've talked

  1773. about, right,

  1774. like that is still

  1775. work in God's

  1776. eyes.

  1777. So I don't

  1778. know.

  1779. I think there's

  1780. a clear yes or

  1781. no to that answer.

  1782. I think it

  1783. really depends on

  1784. the kind of

  1785. the unemployment

  1786. and the

  1787. reasons for it.

  1788. Oh yeah,

  1789. that's true.

  1790. That's also a

  1791. reason why people

  1792. can be unemployed.

  1793. All right,

  1794. well, thank you

  1795. for coming.

  1796. If you have any

  1797. questions, happy to

  1798. stay behind till

  1799. 10 and answer

  1800. them, but

  1801. otherwise we'll

  1802. see you next

  1803. week.