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  1. Welcome. It gets quicker, doesn't it? I felt a bit like the news on 10 because

  2. it was— well, welcome to today's Crowd Church. It's great to be here. Um, my

  3. name is Dan and I'm joined today by the wonderful Mike.

  4. Yeah, nice to see you all. Thank you for joining us. It's, uh, great to be here.

  5. And, uh, we also have Ade with us who's going to be speaking to us as well. Ade,

  6. are you there?

  7. I hope so.

  8. Can you hear me, folks?

  9. Yes, we can hear you, which is a fact. So Ade's remotely in the— I was going to

  10. say the other studio, but Ade's remotely in from Wales. And he's going to bring

  11. the talk with us today. So if you've not tuned into Crowd before, then we, in a

  12. minute, Ade is going to bring a talk. We're doing a series about Jesus the

  13. Revolutionary, which is— it's been a great series. So if you, if you like this,

  14. then you can go onto the website and there's loads of talks to look back and

  15. listen on. And then while the talk's on, feel free to put comments in any of the

  16. YouTube live streams. And then we come back, me and Mike and Ade will try to

  17. answer those questions. So it's, it's very— tries to make it interactive. It's

  18. not just coming, listening. Um, yeah. And, and next week, Mike, you're—

  19. yeah, next week it is me. So I'm going to be talking about how Jesus creates a

  20. new culture, and I'm going to be talking about Jesus, um, when he washes the

  21. disciples' feet. So we're going to be looking at that. Yeah. And, um, looking

  22. at— there's also a parallel idea, or East Passage, when, um, Joseph, um, offers

  23. his brother— offers his brothers water to wash their feet. And there's some

  24. parallels between the two stories. So I'm gonna have a little look at that, um,

  25. and yeah, looking forward to it. Looking forward to hearing Ade, um, and what

  26. he's got to say today and having a chat about that.

  27. Yeah, so I think, um, this is gonna be great. This is the story which perhaps a

  28. lot of you have heard of, even not if you're not read the story of the Good

  29. Samaritan. It's almost a saying, isn't it? Yeah, Samaritan. So I think without

  30. further ado, Ade, if you're ready, then let's listen to you. And like I said,

  31. any questions, put them in your comments and we'll answer them afterwards.

  32. Thank you. Thank you very much.

  33. So tonight's talk is called The Good Samaritan: A Cure for Tribalism. Now, when

  34. we talk about tribalism, what do we mean by tribalism? It is a cultural,

  35. political, or social loyalty to one's own group over others. It's like this us

  36. versus them mentality. Often it is blindly supporting one's own group, viewing

  37. outsiders with suspicion, hostility, and even discrimination. Now,

  38. psychologically, as human beings, we are wired for belonging. We tend to seek

  39. identity via group affiliation. And in the situation of tribalism, we have an

  40. in-group bias where we naturally favour, trust, and forgive those in our social

  41. circles. And then an out-of-group derogation where we negatively, or even view

  42. people outside this as competitive. So modern examples of this would include

  43. political tribalism, where people align to a specific political party regardless

  44. of their policies might be because, well, a family have always gone with this

  45. party and then viewing people who align to other parties as some kind of

  46. opposition, even moral threat. We've also got cultural tribalism where we have

  47. alignment based on shared interests. Now, if I were to walk into the Crowd

  48. studio in Liverpool and shout, "Yay, Liverpool!" or "Yay, Everton!" Depending on

  49. who's in there, I may not get a fantastically warm reception, as we have quite a

  50. lot of tribalism around competitive football teams, especially when they're both

  51. in the same city. Now, tribalism isn't all bad. On the good side of it, it

  52. fosters mutual support and teamwork and strong social networks. Unfortunately,

  53. it ends there, because very often this is limited to one's own tribe or group of

  54. interest and doesn't go beyond that. And when it gets really ugly, it can

  55. fuel social polarisation, conflict, and, and even violence. And finally, a

  56. couple of examples of this in the UK. There's been a lot of talk about tribalism

  57. in education, disproportionate power and wealth to those from a private school

  58. background. The 2025 Sutton Trust study showed about 7% of people in private

  59. school, but about two-thirds of the most senior servants, like senior judges or

  60. two-star generals and stuff like that, had all gone to private school. In fact,

  61. over 80% of the prime ministers in this country in the 50-odd history or so of

  62. them have come from a private school. During Brexit, the University of Bath just

  63. studied, and they, they show that this was the first time tribalism really took

  64. on to social media in a massive way that it never had before. They looked at

  65. thousands of posts, and they found keywords like Remainer, Brexiteer, or

  66. Remoaner, Brexit extremist. Remainers were categorised as arrogant elitist

  67. traitors, and, and Leavers were categorised as racist, ignorant, and uneducated.

  68. So there's a wonderful parable in the Bible which really breaks down these

  69. barriers and tribalism, and we're going to read it now. This is in the Book of

  70. Luke, chapter 10:25-37. The parable of the Good Samaritan. On one occasion, an

  71. expert in the law stood up to Jesus to test Jesus. Teacher, he asked, what must

  72. I do to inherit eternal life? What is written in the law, he replied. How do you

  73. read it? He answered, love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your

  74. soul, and all your strength, and all your mind, and love your neighbour as

  75. yourself. 'You have answered correctly,' Jesus replied. 'Do this and you will

  76. live.' But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, 'And who is my

  77. neighbour?' In this reply, Jesus said, 'A man was going down to Jerusalem from

  78. Jericho. He fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes,

  79. beat him, and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be coming

  80. down the same road. When he saw the man, he too passed on the other side. So too

  81. a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, he passed on the other

  82. side. But a Samaritan, as he travelled, came where the man was, and when he saw

  83. him, he took pity on him. He went to him, bandaged his wounds, pouring oil and

  84. wine. He then put the man on his own donkey and brought him to an inn and took

  85. care of him. The next day, he took out two silver coins, gave them to the

  86. innkeeper, 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you

  87. for any extra expense you may have.' Which of these three do you think was a

  88. neighbour to the man who fell into the hands of robbers? The expert in the law

  89. replied, 'The one who had mercy on him.' Jesus told him, 'Go and do likewise.'

  90. So if you were to look at this from a very high-level theological symbolism, You

  91. can take man as humanity beaten by sin, separated from God, the priest and the

  92. Levite as law and religion that cannot save us, and the Samaritan as Jesus who

  93. rescues us, pays the ultimate price to restore us. But we're not going to leave

  94. it there. We're going to actually dig right down into this parable and see

  95. what's really happening. And before we do that, there's some historical and

  96. cultural context we need to cover first of all. Now firstly, the Jericho road.

  97. It's a 17-mile mountain pass from Jericho to Jerusalem. Descends about 3,000

  98. feet, and it is flanked by limestone caves on either side. This is a perfect

  99. opportunity and a perfect ground for ambush. People can just pop out from behind

  100. the limestone cave and surprise you. In culture of that time, it was actually

  101. nicknamed the path of blood due to the frequent ambushes by bandits. Another

  102. thing, Jewish law: if anyone touches a corpse, they are rendered unclean. In the

  103. case of a priest or a Levite, they will be disqualified from their temple duties

  104. until they had undergone a lengthy, expensive repurification ritual. And so

  105. seeing someone on the road looking dead This does not excuse them, but this is

  106. what was going through their mind culturally when they would have come into that

  107. situation. And then finally, to understand what is so revolutionary about this

  108. story, the Samaritan, why is it so significant that the Samaritan came to the

  109. rescue? We need to go back to the origin of this Samaritan. Now back in around

  110. 930 BC, so almost 1,000 years before the birth of Christ, there was a civil

  111. dispute among the Kingdom of Israel. Now it's made up of 12 tribes, and not long

  112. after the death of King Solomon, there was a dispute over heavy taxes. At this

  113. point, the nation split. 10 tribes went and formed the Northern Kingdom, and 2

  114. tribes, Judah and Benjamin, remained in the south. And there were some of the

  115. tribes of Levi who served in the temples down there, remained down there as

  116. well, but mostly 10 tribes, 2 tribes. These 10 tribes in the north, around 722

  117. BC, were conquered by the Assyrians. Most of those people were taken and they

  118. were scattered across the Assyrian Empire. The remaining tribes intermarried

  119. with the now Assyrians, and they became the Samaritans. And this is where the

  120. tribalism starts. Samaritans believed they were true descendants of the tribes

  121. of Ephraim, and Manasseh. The Jews just saw them as half-breeds corrupting their

  122. bloodline, definitely not, you know, definitely not Jewish. There were rival

  123. temples, so when the southern half of the kingdom who went into exile maybe 150

  124. years after the northern half, when they came back from Babylon to rebuild the

  125. Temple of Jerusalem or the walls of Jerusalem, they rejected help from the

  126. Samaritans. Now, the Jews worshipped at their temple in Jerusalem historically.

  127. The Samaritans built a rival temple on Mount Gerizim, claiming this was the

  128. original holy mountain. And in 128 BC, the Jewish King John Hyrcanus attacked

  129. Samaria and destroyed the temple on Mount Gerizim. So you can see Tensions have

  130. gone beyond really opinion, are you pure Jew or not, to we're actually getting,

  131. this is getting really violent. And not long before Jesus' birth, somewhere

  132. around 6 to 9 BC, a group of Samaritans scattered human bones across the temple

  133. courtyard during the Passover, the Feast of the Passover, defiling it and

  134. halting the peace. This is tribalism at its most extreme. In this case, there

  135. are generations of hate for Samaritan versus the Jew, and this is why the

  136. Samaritan is such a significant hero in this story. Now, the story, the parable,

  137. it starts with a trap. Pharisee asking, "What should I do to have eternal life?"

  138. Now, in that culture, religious experts would quite often question a rabbi to

  139. try and expose flaws in their theology, potentially ruin reputation or prove

  140. their teaching unorthodox. And in this case, Jesus has already been saying some

  141. things which would have been considered unorthodox, and he really wanted to

  142. justify his actions while challenging what he is seeing as competition. Jesus

  143. beautifully turns the— this entire scenario around Answering a question with a

  144. question, 'What is the law and how do you read it?' This then forces the

  145. Pharisee to publicly answer his own question, preventing him finding fault in

  146. Jesus's theology. At this point, the Pharisee is on the back foot and he's

  147. trying to save face. 'Who is my neighbour?' Jesus then uses this parable to

  148. shift the issue from a legal debate to really the Pharisee's lack of mercy, and

  149. in doing so, truly defining neighbour and breaking down social barriers. So when

  150. the Samaritan comes and finds this man on the side of the road, he stops despite

  151. the cultural differences, tensions, the generations of hate, the killing each

  152. other, all that kind of stuff. Now Samaritans also use the first 5 books of the

  153. Bible as their law. So if he were to touch a dead body, he would also be unclean

  154. and have to go through any of the same rituals that a, um, the Levi or the

  155. priest would to be allowed, you know, back into his community. Not only that,

  156. the fact he stuck around on the Pass of Blood, he was literally endangering

  157. himself because he attends to this guy in the side of the road where at any

  158. moment someone could jump out behind him and mug him. And this is really in line

  159. with what we hear from Paul in the book of Galatians, which is, there is neither

  160. Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female. We are

  161. all one in Jesus Christ. And also in Corinthians, 1 Corinthians, Paul says,

  162. chapter 9:22-23, to the weak I became weak to win the weak. I've become all

  163. things to all people so by all possible means I might save some. I do this for

  164. the sake of the gospel that I may share its blessings. The Samaritan didn't care

  165. on that day, Jew or Samaritan, heck, or even Gentile. He saw a fellow human

  166. being in need and he acted, putting himself in further danger doing so. Next, he

  167. addresses the needs, but he does this at his own cost. So we're looking at

  168. bandages, oil, wine, time, putting him on a donkey, taking him to an inn. Now,

  169. the Samaritan, we assume, was on a journey, you know, that had some degree of

  170. urgency as he was traveling on a very treacherous part of the countryside, but

  171. all this went out the way. It cost him time, it cost him money. Leviticus 19:18

    Leviticus 19:18

  172. says, "Do not seek revenge or bear grudge against anyone among your people, but

  173. love your neighbour as yourself. I am the Lord." Samaritan here is really showing

  174. love by his actions, and we are taught to love our neighbour. Now, we're not

  175. taught to like our neighbour, we're taught to love them, and his actions here are

  176. selfless. They come at significant cost to him. These are actions of love.

  177. Jesus, in his ministry, he takes this a step further. In John 13:34, it says, 'A

    John 13:34

  178. new commandment I give you: love one another as I have loved you, so you must

  179. love one another. Now that takes it further from being love your neighbour as

  180. yourself, because any love we have for ourselves— we're talking human love, we

  181. are talking, we are humans, we are not perfect, we are flawed— but God's love

  182. for us, that's not flawed. And the challenge is to love people with an unflawed

  183. love as God loves us. And in fairness, what we're seeing here from the

  184. Samaritan, he is certainly rising to meet that challenge. And finally, the

  185. Samaritan addresses future needs. So you might think, hey, this guy's done a

  186. really good thing. He found a guy half dead on the road, risked life and limb to

  187. patch him up, get him to an inn at great cost, we might add. Surely he's done

  188. enough. At this point, he pays the inn in advance and agrees to come back and

  189. settle anything else. And this is really in line with some of Paul's teachings

  190. in Galatians 6:2. He says, carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will

    Galatians 6:2

  191. fulfil the law of Christ. Now, if you carry something, kind of hints that

  192. you're gonna— this is a sustained effort over some distance. It might be from

  193. one room to another, it could be from one end of the country to the other end of

  194. the country, but it's not pick it up, put it down. This is a sustained level of

  195. exertion. Further in verse 9 of Galatians 6, Paul says, "Let us not become weary

  196. in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give

  197. up." This Samaritan truly has not become weary in doing good, because he's not

  198. only intervened in what would have been a life-and-death situation, at great

  199. risk and great cost. He's now thinking of seeing this all the way to the end

  200. when a lot of people— well, as we saw, a lot of people didn't stop, let alone

  201. gone to this level of care. And let's face it, this level of love. Again, this

  202. is showing that flawless actions of love. So when we take a look at this

  203. parable, this story, and we turn the camera or turn the mirror on us. Which of

  204. the characters can we relate to? Like the priest and the Levite, are we making

  205. ourselves too busy to help? Are we using other responsibilities to let ourselves

  206. off the hook? It's a perfectly human thing to do, and we live very busy lives.

  207. Do we identify with the Samaritan? Are we helping regardless of these tribal

  208. differences? Are we loving our neighbour at our own cost? And are we carrying

  209. that love extensively through the tough times? Perhaps we're a mix, you know, I

  210. think we go through life, no one's perfect. Sometimes we're like the Samaritan,

  211. other times we're like the priest and the Levite. I like to strive to be like the

  212. Samaritan, but I can look back on my life and see times when I have been more

  213. like the priest and the Levite. I justified myself in being busy. At the end of

  214. all this, Jesus tells the Pharisee to go and do likewise. So speaking of

  215. Pharisee, let's not be like the Pharisee. Let's not justify our way and look for

  216. biblical loopholes to continue on doing things our way. Let's pay it forward.

  217. Let's go and do likewise. Thinking into the next week, is there something that

  218. you can do for someone outside your tribe that would be of genuine blessing to

  219. them? That's it from me, and back to the studio.

  220. Thanks very much, Ade. That was a great talk. I especially love the bit of

  221. history there. I know there were some comments from Alicia and from Sharon. It

  222. really helps to work out where you're— I'm just signaling to Michael, his

  223. microphone. It really helps to see why Jesus picked those those three, three

  224. examples, those three people, doesn't it?

  225. Absolutely. I thought that was great. Really, really good. Really, I really like

  226. that, um, historical, um, you know, explanation and stuff like that. Really puts

  227. you in the picture.

  228. Yeah.

  229. Um, because it's that easy, because so many stories, to just read a story, go on

  230. to the next one, go on to the next one. But to get, you know, this, this, um, to

  231. get a picture of what it was like on, on that road of blood and things like

  232. that. Yeah, that, that really helps me. Yeah, really, really good. Really,

  233. really enjoyed it.

  234. Yeah, I, I like the, um, the fact that the Samaritan himself was in danger.

  235. Never even— that never crossed my mind. Yeah, that he might be in danger of

  236. being, you know, robbed as well. It was just like, oh, interesting that he, he

  237. didn't just put his time and his money there, he put his sort of body there as

  238. well, didn't he? He risked himself.

  239. Yeah, yeah, risked everything. Yeah. Um, there was loads of things that I've

  240. wrote down, and some of the things I wrote down you then spoke about, um, which

  241. is great. Um, so one of the things I put down is— this is just a bit random, but

  242. you know if you found someone's wound and you poured oil and wine on I mean, I

  243. know we're talking a long time ago here, but I wouldn't be thanking anyone if

  244. someone poured oil and wine all over my beaten up body. I don't know, Ade,

  245. whether you have any historical, whether you know what that was for or why they

  246. did that.

  247. For the wine, it would be the alcoholic content to help clean the wound, right?

  248. The oil. I'm not sure, I didn't look into that part of it.

  249. Yeah, yeah, put you on the spot there with your history.

  250. Yeah, um, but what, what are the other things that I was, um, I've always felt

  251. really, really challenged by that Galatians, uh, 6 verse, um, that you read out,

  252. Ade. Um, carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfil the law of

  253. Christ. Because I suppose one of the things I think is that, you know, like, our

  254. lives are busy, aren't they? Very, very busy. And, um, being kind to somebody

  255. else, almost at times, you know, when I'm not on a good day, it feels like I

  256. just haven't got energy. And what, you know, sometimes when I've got a lot of

  257. energy and I've got, you know, I've got a lot of time off or something like

  258. that, I feel like I have the capacity then to be able to help other people. But

  259. what Paul is saying in Galatians is what we are called to do is not just these

  260. occasional acts of kindness where you are giving out of your surplus, if you

  261. like, Um, but what Paul is asking us to do is to take on each other's burdens.

  262. And, you know, the way I, the way I think about it is, you know, the, the idea

  263. potentially of me saying to you, Dan, right, you've got 100 grand left on your

  264. mortgage, I'm gonna take 50 of that and add it to mine. And I'm just gonna bear

  265. that burden for the next sort of 30 years, um, to sort of try and lower the

  266. burden on you. And I just think like that, you know, it's maybe a bad example,

  267. but that whole idea of taking on each other's burdens is, um, is, is a real

  268. challenge, um, you know, a real challenge to me to, you know, to— it's

  269. difficult, isn't it?

  270. Yeah, it is. Yeah, I like— I do like that example because it takes— sometimes we

  271. can just be, what can we do in our spare time? Like you said, didn't you? You

  272. know, but, but the Samaritan there goes, it's more than that, isn't it?

  273. Yeah.

  274. And when Jesus talked to the, the, um, the ruler, it was, well, you know, he

  275. knew that he knew the law.

  276. Yeah.

  277. Um, but, but where— yeah, what— who's our tribe? And who's out of our tribe that

  278. we're prepared to, to do that, that extra mile. I was looking up, um, the— when

  279. Jesus does the talk, the Beatitudes, and, and part of that he says, you know, if

  280. someone, someone hits you on the cheek, give him your, you know, other cheek.

  281. It's, it's more than just um, getting out the way when there's trouble. It's

  282. more than just helping someone there. It's helping someone like the Samaritan

  283. and then giving the money to the innkeeper. Yeah, he does that. There's that

  284. extra mile there, isn't it? That's what it sort of reminded me of. Yeah, yeah.

  285. Because I mean, this story would have been inspiring if he just stopped and just

  286. Yeah, yeah. And, and left and walked on. Yeah, that still would have been quite

  287. inspiring. Yeah. As you know, as a, as an act. But, but he's actually placed the

  288. man on his own donkey. Yeah. And that's— but it's, it's taking the load upon

  289. himself, isn't it? He's taken that burden upon himself, you know, and, and used

  290. his own donkey's energy to take them, take them out. And then, and then provide

  291. the funds for his But it's after— it, it, you know, it's really inspiring.

  292. And, um, and he's checked that he's, he's put in place to check that he's okay.

  293. Yeah, yeah.

  294. Afterwards, isn't it?

  295. It's—

  296. yeah, you know, we don't do— we do Crowd because we want to tell you, we want to

  297. tell us that the gospel— this is the— yeah, this is life-changing. This is the

  298. gospel of Jesus Christ is just It's his, his love that he pours into us, and he

  299. shows it us through, through us, through the Bible. And, and we learn more and

  300. more about his, his, the stories. Um, and Crowd isn't somewhere to, to give us

  301. loads of rules and tell us off, doesn't it? It's hopefully this is just to

  302. challenge. And, um, every week I get challenged. Yeah, I get challenged. What

  303. can I do? Not to, to love and to be an, an active, an active love, something

  304. that's not just, um, I'm going to give this example. You know, we might, someone

  305. might come to the door and, and say, you know, we want some money for this

  306. charity. And you think, well, that's a great charity, I'll give some. And I give

  307. some, you know, every month, what wherever it might be. And there's nothing,

  308. there's nothing wrong with that at all. That's great if you've got that to be

  309. able to do. But sometimes that can be a very sort of passive thing, can't it? It

  310. can just, um, help our conscience. Yeah, conscience just settles a little bit.

  311. Oh well, I've done my something, and, and it's good, you know, it is. But, but I

  312. think my challenge for me, and perhaps for, for you this week, is where's our

  313. active challenge? Where's our active love? Yeah, yeah, going to be, you know,

  314. yeah, yeah, with our neighbour.

  315. Yeah, and I, you know, I totally agree with you, Dan. And I think like you were

  316. saying about Crowd Church wanting to be a place where we share the gospel, and I

  317. think when you, when you hear about the Good Samaritan, you can, you can

  318. probably go into one of two camps, I think, and maybe others. But you can either

  319. feel condemned because you think, I don't do that, I do only stick to my tribe,

  320. and I don't like reaching out to other people because they're different, and,

  321. um, it's awkward when I try and cross tribal boundaries and, and speak to people

  322. who aren't like me. Or— so that's one camp you can be in. You can just feel not

  323. good enough. I read the Good Samaritan. I'm not like the Good Samaritan,

  324. therefore I'm not good enough. There's another, um, place you might be, whereas

  325. you hear it and, and you just go and do it. So your heart is still, I don't want

  326. to do this, but you hear that story and you just think, I'm a rules person, you

  327. tell me that's what Jesus commands, I'm just gonna go and do it. And your

  328. heart's not in it really, but you just hear the command and you're just a doer

  329. and you just want to get on, you just want to do it. And I think the challenge

  330. here is to be someone who is— who has a heart that is growing to be more like

  331. the Good Samaritan. And so I think a good place to be for me, having heard that

  332. story, is to say Jesus, I am not like the Good Samaritan yet. I'm not there. And

  333. I think that's a really good place to be. And like, Jesus, I need you to come

  334. and help me to become more like him so that my reactions can become more like

  335. his. And I think, I think that's a really good place. However, I do think in

  336. this story we do have the gospel, because I was thinking as this story was going

  337. on Imagine what the guy who was healed would think and feel after this has

  338. happened. So after this has happened, he's been— he finds out, let's just say

  339. for argument's sake, what happened, that two people were passed and the

  340. Samaritan stopped and did everything. How is he gonna feel? Well, he is going to

  341. feel incredibly grateful. It's more than likely going to have a big impact on

  342. the way he treats other people outside of his tribal lines. And you see, the

  343. reality is that we are in this story, but the place that we are is we are the

  344. person who got beat up. Yeah, we're the person who got beat up, and Jesus came

  345. along and rescued us and gave his life for us. And I think the way we become

  346. more like the Samaritan is by focusing on the fact that of what Jesus has done

  347. for us. And in this story, we can, um, sympathise with the person who got beat

  348. up. We were that person. We were dead. We were on the side of a dangerous path,

  349. and Jesus came and gave his life— not just the back of his donkey, but gave his

  350. life to save us. And as we focus more and more on that, Jesus through the Holy

  351. Spirit can transform us to be a little bit more— yeah, the Samaritan. Yeah. Um,

  352. but it's a process.

  353. Yeah, yeah.

  354. And, and it's, it's only going to finish when Jesus returns. So I mean, which

  355. isn't the get-out-of-jail card, it's not at all. You know, we want to be more

  356. like that now. Yeah. But it's a process. Um, but it starts with saying, Jesus,

  357. I'm not like that. I recognise in this story that there's a command, but my

  358. heart isn't there yet. I— but I recognise I need to be. So, so come and change

  359. me. Come and help me.

  360. Yeah, that's, that's brilliant, that, Mike. Um, we've got loads of, of comments

  361. coming here. Um, so Um, Sharon's put on that they talked about not being too—

  362. being too busy to reach out to people. What if people are being busy doing what

  363. God has called them to do? How do you balance all these things? And, um, Ellis

  364. has said, well, the priest would have been— would have not been allowed to do

  365. his duty as he'd been unclean, but was still wrong using that as a reason not

  366. to. By helping, he would have fulfilled his duty. More. Yeah, it's a great

  367. response, isn't it? It didn't— it didn't— uh, it might have made him unclean,

  368. but he just— just— it meant he had to go through that ritual. It didn't— it

  369. didn't stop him. Yeah, it was some duties override. Don't know what we've— we've

  370. been called to do, or what our job— job is, if you like.

  371. Yeah.

  372. And when you think about it, no matter what we do, no matter what we're doing in

  373. church or in ministry, we are called to fulfil law of Christ, you know, as Paul

  374. talked about in carrying each other's burdens, and that law is love the Lord

  375. your God with all your heart and all your mind and all your soul, and love your

  376. neighbour as yourself. And you have to ask if we are busy, and let's say, you

  377. know, I've been involved in churches for 20, 30 years, and it's easy to get busy

  378. getting stuff done that you need to have done, and you can see people want to

  379. talk to you, but I've got to do this task. And yeah, there's a balance to find.

  380. You can't stop for every single person, but at the same time, you can't shut

  381. yourself off to the point where you only focus on the tasks that are in front of

  382. you. Now, I'm probably going to go into a touchy subject here, but very often in

  383. my experience in churches, about, if you're lucky, 10% of people do 99% of the

  384. tasks around there. And there is a challenge of getting more volunteers to help,

  385. to help carry one another's burdens, you know, kind of put the chairs out, make

  386. the tea afterwards, all that kind of stuff. I think if we had a greater spirit

  387. of that, it would be easier for the people who are really busy to be able to

  388. stop and make time. But yeah, it's, you got to call it, you have to do it. You

  389. can't not do it, but then, you know, it's a, it's a tough one.

  390. Yeah. Alicia says, I sometimes find it easier to do certain things for people

  391. outside of my tribe because a lot of the people I love have grown up with the

  392. belief that accepting help is a, is weak or a sign of weakness. Um, so it's

  393. actually easier to do stuff out of the tribe. That's interesting, isn't it?

  394. That's really interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, uh, yeah, that's a

  395. really good point. Really good point.

  396. I guess if you're the black sheep in your tribe, then it's got, you know, then

  397. it will be especially feel more natural to actually do things outside of your

  398. tribe. Certainly, I felt like that at home growing up, in school growing up, in

  399. lots of situations where I actually find it easier to go and help people I don't

  400. know because I'm not going to get rejected by them, or I'm not going to get a

  401. certain response I've become conditioned to. Because, hey, in my case, I was an

  402. English kid growing up in Ireland in the '80s, that wasn't a great place to be.

  403. And yeah, I think there is, you know, we're talking about tribalism and we're

  404. generalising, but I think in some cases, yes, it's almost like the

  405. anti-tribalism where, yeah, you know what, it's easier to go and help these

  406. people who I have nothing in common with because, you know what, they don't

  407. judge me, they're quite happy and they don't nitpick.

  408. Yeah, that's a really good point. And I've heard, I was speaking to a friend of

  409. mine who was saying a very similar thing. Um, to that as well, Ade. Just that,

  410. you know, whenever I think about this particular friend of mine, he, he always

  411. seems to have a heart for people who are on the outside. Um, you know, it's been

  412. really, really inspiring for quite a few years. Um, and, and then I asked him

  413. about it and he just said, you know, part of the reason um, why he does it is

  414. because these people don't reject him. He said, these people, um, you know,

  415. welcome me. And often when I, you know, when he tries to connect or help other

  416. people who are maybe a little bit more in the in-crowd, I suppose, if he finds

  417. that they tend to reject him a little bit more, which is just an interesting

  418. point.

  419. Yeah, well, a lot of the comments uh, following this are sort of around that. So

  420. Ellis says, the injured man had to allow a man who was a rival to help him. Um,

  421. and then he said, I think giving help is easier as you're the one in control and

  422. aren't relying on people who have the best intentions but aren't necessarily

  423. 100% sure what to do. Um, and, and Alicia said, at different times I've been

  424. more or less receptive to receiving help giving it has been easier, um, and it

  425. usually feels quite good. With receiving it, sometimes I get hung up on whether

  426. I deserve it, um, and there's quite a lot of comments here. Sometimes it's— it

  427. can be very hard to, to receive, can't it? It can be hard to be in that— we're

  428. in that place, and, um, sometimes we can't do anything about it. Like the

  429. Samaritan, he was— I don't know, we presume perhaps he's plenty unconscious,

  430. he's just got to receive help. And sometimes we're Oh, am I worthy of this, this

  431. help? And it is a tricky thing to— it can be a stumbling block, I think, can't

  432. it? You know, am I worthy of this? And, and yes, you are. God, um, God loves to

  433. help, even when, you know, we've talked lots of times about, you know, blessing.

  434. Sometimes it might be you might get— you might be— get something or give

  435. something. Well, I didn't— I didn't need that, but God loves to bless. And, and

  436. that could be the same with um, given as well. Sometimes it's not necessarily

  437. need that thing, but to be that person that can bless and that person to, you

  438. know, can be to receive. I hope that makes sense.

  439. Yeah, perfectly. I think, you know, but being, um, being able to receive, um,

  440. you know, to be able to do that well, you've got to believe that you don't

  441. deserve it and that it is a gift. And therefore it is a gift, you know. If, if

  442. you start to think you deserve it, then, you know, that just becomes down to

  443. your behaviour and whether you're having a good day or a bad day. And if you're

  444. having a bad day, you don't deserve it. If you're having a good day, you do.

  445. And, um, you know, the reality of our faith is that that we were dead and that

  446. we did not deserve it. And Jesus has, um, you know, Jesus has blessed us with a

  447. free gift of grace. And it is— it's difficult because we are wired to, to earn

  448. things and to, um— so yeah, I, I can recognise the challenge. And for me, you

  449. know, I know that my pride often gets in the way. Um, I want to feel like I've

  450. earned something. I don't want to be in somebody else's debt. Um, you know, I

  451. know— I don't know, I don't know whether you do this, Dan. When I'm working

  452. sometimes, um, you know, I, I might do a little bit extra occasionally when I'm

  453. feeling good, and a customer may think, oh no, no, no, I'm going to pay you for

  454. that, I'm going to pay you for that, because they don't want to be in— yes,

  455. never want to be in someone's debt. Yeah, do they? Um, so then it becomes

  456. difficult to do anything good for people, you know, that is above and beyond.

  457. Yeah.

  458. What they're paying for, I suppose.

  459. Um, yeah, well, Ellis says that as well. Sometimes if someone does give you

  460. something or does help you with something, then there's that worry then you're

  461. dependent upon them.

  462. Yeah.

  463. Um, and, and I think in some ways when we're looking at, at needing stuff from

  464. Jesus, we need to realise that we are dependent on him.

  465. Yeah.

  466. Um, and that's a, that's a big step to take, isn't it, that we, that yeah, we

  467. need you, God. Um, when it's people helping and giving, then there is that

  468. responsibility to be potentially not patronizing or not, um, putting down

  469. someone by, by giving this. Yeah, there is— it's a tricky thing. We can have

  470. that superiority, can't we, that, you know, I'm able to give. Yes, exactly.

  471. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  472. And I just think that comes down— it does come down to your heart. As human

  473. beings, we kind of get it when somebody is being kind or when somebody is trying

  474. to— yes, but, you know, have that sort of saviour complex. I remember, I think

  475. I've said this story on, on Crowd before, but I was once gardening for, um, one

  476. of my customers and I came out of the garden and I went to the van, and I was on

  477. my way back from the van, and I saw this lady. Um, and what was quite clear was

  478. that she was like, um, what I, what felt like it was clear to me that she was a

  479. drug addict, you know, potentially homeless. And as soon as I saw her, um, my—

  480. I, I took a wide berth. Around as she was walking down. And I took a wide breath

  481. and walked into the garden. And I did this whilst listening to a Christian

  482. podcast, whilst preparing a sermon for that I was going to be preaching. And I

  483. got into the garden and I just thought, I just thought, oh man alive, how far am

  484. I from where I want to be right now? And I know that there's lots of people who

  485. are very, very different to that. There's lots of Christians who, um, and I know

  486. people like this, who, whose, whose heart when they saw that woman would have

  487. been drawn towards her, and my reaction was to move away.

  488. Yeah.

  489. Um, when I went back into the garden, I thought, do you know what, I, I, that

  490. was the wrong thing to do. And I thought, and I, I corrected myself, and I

  491. thought, no, what I need to do is I need to go out, I need to bless her. But it

  492. all of a sudden started feeling a bit awkward now. Yeah. Um, and what I did was

  493. that I, I started read— I was reading at the time about Jesus and his reaction

  494. to the man with the— the— who had leprosy, when he healed the leper. And the

  495. more and more I focused on Jesus and the way he reacted to the leper, the fact

  496. that his reaction was to reach out to the leper and to touch him and to heal

  497. him. The more I focused on that, I felt like God was using that to be able to

  498. change my heart slowly to my, uh, towards, um people who are outside of— outside

  499. of my, um, you know, who weren't like me, I suppose. And so God was changing my

  500. heart. And it was only, um, it's only through that and through revelation of

  501. that that our heart changes. We can all read this story and go and do it. We

  502. could just go and find someone who's random, who looks different to me, and

  503. going give him some money or something like that. We can all do that. But, but

  504. the challenge is that Jesus wants us to be— Jesus, in Romans 8, it says that God

  505. is changing us into the likeness of Jesus. Everyone, everyone who has confessed

  506. Jesus Christ as their Lord, he is changing you into the likeness of Jesus. But

  507. it's a slow process for some of us, for me. And so by focusing on Jesus we

  508. become more like Jesus. The Holy Spirit uses us to transform us. And so day by

  509. day, I have found that my heart has, has started to change slowly, so that my

  510. reactions, which is what I want to change, my reactions become more like his.

  511. Um, and you know, that's sort of in answer to what you were saying, Dan, because

  512. sometimes someone can be kind to you and you just don't feel loved you don't

  513. feel like they love— are, are loving you. Um, and then somebody else could do

  514. the same thing and you just know that, that they are for you and that they love

  515. you. Yeah. And it's their heart. Yeah, it's a heart. And, and, you know, that's

  516. what I want to change, and that's what I hope for people who are listening, who

  517. tune in and, and listen to Crowd. That's, that's our hope. That's what we pray.

  518. We pray that the Holy Spirit is using this to change us more and more into the

  519. likeness of Jesus so that we can be more like the Samaritan, so that our

  520. reactions can be more like the Samaritans.

  521. I'm reminded of the, um, the— not the parable, but the story that Jesus told of

  522. being in the temple and seeing the Pharisees and the rich people putting in

  523. their money and, you know, making a show of it. And this lady comes up and puts

  524. in just it's in the Bible, it says a mite, you know, just the smallest amount.

  525. And Jesus said, well, she, she is the one that gave everything. That it's not

  526. about, um, what we do, sometimes a show of it. It's the— what's, what's that?

  527. What, you know, what is our heart like? How was our heart reaction? There was—

  528. came out of church today and there was a homeless guy at the gates And I

  529. thought, well, he's on to a winner, isn't he? Because everyone comes out of

  530. church and goes, I've got to do something, you know, I've just, I've just heard

  531. in there. Um, but the reason I mentioned that is, where's— how was our response?

  532. Is our response out of guilt?

  533. Yeah.

  534. Well, look, where are you? Know what, what's behind me?

  535. Yeah.

  536. Um, or is it— is he changing our hearts? And that's why— yeah, that's what I

  537. want, that God slowly, you know, changes our heart to, yeah, to help to outside,

  538. help outside of our tribe and help because we want to.

  539. Yeah.

  540. Um, because he's changed us, because he's done so much for us. Again, isn't it,

  541. it's looking at Jesus. If, if we realise how much he's done for us and it's so

  542. little, even if we give everything, it's so little.

  543. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think You're dead right. Focusing on Jesus is, um,

  544. is the only way that our heart's going to change. I think there's also an

  545. interesting, interesting idea worth just momentarily pausing on, is, is that at

  546. the end of this, Jesus gives the command to go. So given everything that we just

  547. said, given everything that we just said, I do think it's important to recognise

  548. that if, if you're waiting for a fuzzy feeling in your heart before you go and

  549. do these things, then you're going to be waiting a long time. There's still

  550. going to be always— and I bet in the Samaritan's heart, a little bit of fear.

  551. Yeah, a little bit of, this is the right thing to do, but I'm on this dodgy road

  552. and it's going to cost me a lot. And, you know, this could cost me my life. And

  553. so I do think there's a challenge to go and do it, and our emotions will follow,

  554. uh, to go and do it. And, um, you know, in, in, in being obedient, God will help

  555. you to have everything that you need, um, when it comes to, you know, whatever

  556. it is that you've, you've gone outside of your boundaries to, to try and help

  557. someone because you just felt like it was the right thing to do. Um, and even if

  558. it's still— your heart doesn't quite feel right, I still think it's, it's worth

  559. taking a step of faith and saying, God, my heart isn't right there yet, but I'm

  560. trusting you that this is the right thing to do, and I'm going to do it anyway.

  561. And I'm trusting that you are going to you know, make up the shortfall here.

  562. Yeah.

  563. Yeah. It's the original pay it forward story, isn't it? You know, where, you

  564. know, we see the Samaritan for absolutely, he's got no good reason to go and,

  565. you know, attend a Jew lying there on a road. Heck, this is the path of blood.

  566. It could have been a trap. He went and did it anyway. I know we're talking about

  567. receiving help and feeling like, oh, someone maybe not wanting to it. Taken to

  568. the context of Paul when he talks about in 1 Corinthians chapter 12, one body,

    1 Corinthians 12 chapter mention

  569. many parts. Well, we all have different functions in a body, so we're going to

  570. need help with some things. Some things are obviously generic, anyone can do,

  571. but other things we have unique giftings and abilities which all come together

  572. for a greater good as a community, as a church, as a wider society. It's been

  573. designed that way. So it's been designed the way that we need to rely on each

  574. other. It's been designed that way that we should be treating everyone as our

  575. neighbour, especially if they're different, because our abilities complement each

  576. other. They're not things to have conflict and competition over. They're

  577. building blocks that we can bring together and be a great, you know, where many

  578. parts can be a greater whole.

  579. Yeah, absolutely. Um, that's— yeah, I was just thinking of the example of a

  580. marriage. If you're both identical, you're going to have, you know, well, it's

  581. impossible, isn't it? But you're going to have problems. It's the fact that

  582. we're different makes a marriage and makes a family work, that, that you've all

  583. got your own strengths. And it's allowing, allowing people to give to you when,

  584. you know, when you need it. And then, and I've been convicted to, to give to

  585. others, um, as well. And, and like you said, Mike, it's, it's a commandment.

  586. We've got to not wait for that prompting, but just, just do it.

  587. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, Jesus isn't going to command something that he has

  588. not He has not given us, um, what Jesus has given us, what we need to be able to

  589. do the things that he has commanded us to do. And when we make that decision to

  590. do the things that he has commanded us to do in order to honour him, in order to

  591. honour him, then, you know, then he is with us. He's given us everything we need,

  592. um, It doesn't mean that the outcome is going to be exactly how you'd hoped, um,

  593. but you know, you are not on your own, um, and you have everything that you

  594. need, um, to be able to do it. Um, yeah.

  595. Hey, is there anything else? We're coming, um, very close to finishing now, and

  596. we're— afterwards we'll have Live Lounge, so if you want to come and join us as

  597. URL that we put in the comments, and it's a bit like a Zoom call, just a bit

  598. like, I think Ade said, like the coffee after, at the end of the meeting, just

  599. to chat, chat to meet us, if you've got any other questions. But before we do

  600. finish, Ade, is there anything else that you'd like to say?

  601. Yeah, when we look at biblical teaching and even Paul uses the example of

  602. there's the milk and there's the meat, the meat being the really complicated

  603. things, but you've really got to graduate to that. This is milk. This is simple.

  604. This is something we can read once and do minutes after. So what you've heard

  605. here tonight, think about it. Think, not only reflect on it, but think, how can

  606. I do this tomorrow and the day after and the day after? How can I If I'm already

  607. doing this, how can I do this better? Because this one, it's an easy one and it

  608. breaks down barriers. It makes the world a nicer place to be in time.

  609. Alicia's put a brilliant comment right at the end that says, I love the one

  610. body, many members concept and I think it helps combat comparison thinking. Oh,

  611. they're doing more than me. What can I do? It's not a competition, is it? No,

  612. it's just love. We're all different.

  613. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's, it's a really good analogy and, um, yeah,

  614. yeah, it's fantastic. Yeah, really like that, Alicia.

  615. Well, thanks, thanks everyone for joining in on, on the comments today. Thanks

  616. so much, Ade, for that talk. That was brilliant. Yeah, really good. Um, and we

  617. will see you next week and Mike will be here.

  618. Yes, I'll be here. Looking forward to it.

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