Sermon
The Structure of Marriage
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Well, good morning, everyone. If you'd like to keep your Bibles open there, that would be fantastic.
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We have, as John has said, we are partway through, quite a way through actually, our series on marriage, where we're looking at Ephesians 5, 21 to 33.
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We've seen the mystery of the marriage, the profound mystery of marriage, is that the gospel of Jesus Christ and marriage explain each other.
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There are things we would not know about marriage if it was not for the gospel, and there are things about the gospel we wouldn't know if it wasn't for marriage.
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Marriage, as I've said a number of times, is a human relationship, but it is the penultimate relationship.
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It points to the eternal marriage of Christ and his church.
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One of the things I've also said early in this series is that everything that Ephesians 5 says about marriage comes after he tells us about the power that we need in order to be married as God describes it.
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And that is, what we need is the indwelling work of the Holy Spirit, pointing us consistently to the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, who surrendered his will for our sake.
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And so Ephesians 5, 21, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ, is really the foundational verse before the rest of that gets unpacked in the marriage relationship.
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And so what I've been saying consistently is that we need to be captivated by Christ or struck by his selflessness,
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because self-centeredness, our self-centeredness, the human heart, is the main havoc-wreaking problem in many marriages,
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and is certainly the ever-present enemy in every marriage.
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And that's certainly the case with the issue that we're addressing today on the topic of the structure of marriage.
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The subject of gender roles in marriage is contentious.
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It is certainly controversial.
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But more importantly than it being intellectually contentious or culturally contentious and controversial,
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it is an issue which for some is deeply personal,
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which is why we wanted to put the things we put up there just before Nick's announcement.
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It is deeply personal for some people and potentially for you sitting in the room now.
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And that is because verses like Ephesians 5 here have been used as weapons of both oppression and rebellion in marriages.
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Sin has infected every human culture, every human culture,
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in such a way that they have found a way,
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those cultures found a way to interpret headship and submission
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in a way that has marginalized and oppressed women.
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Too many women have suffered abuse at the hands of self-centered men
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with a sense of entitlement who have no desire to follow Christ,
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but take virtue of this and twist them
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and to form unbiblical definitions of headship and submission to pump up their egos.
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And in my time as a pastor,
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I've had the unpleasant task of confronting that scenario on numerous occasions.
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And it's something that we as a church take seriously
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and should never, ever put up with.
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But despite all of that,
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this issue must be explored because it's in Scripture.
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It's as God,
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God's communicating something that's very important here.
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And the other reason we must look at it from God's perspective
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is that every single one of us come into marriage
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with an idea of how a husband should behave towards his wife
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and a wife towards her husband.
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We bring that regardless of these verses.
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So I'm going to ask you to tune in
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and I'm going to ask you to stay with me.
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Whether you identify yourself as egalitarian,
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a feminist, a traditionalist, a complementarian,
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or any other variety of the interpretive spectrum,
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the differences between a man and a woman
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will become an unavoidable issue in marriage.
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You can't dodge it.
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And as we look into this issue of the structure of marriage and gender roles,
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we must begin with a look at the good that God intended
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and how men and women have corrupted that good
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and what Jesus has done to redeem it
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and therefore how we practice it.
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But it's only until we understand that core principles start with
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can we then move into the hazardous concepts of authority and submission
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and headships.
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So I'm leading us this morning into a minefield
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and you wait on the sidelines while I walk in there for a moment
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and throw myself on the grenades.
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So here's the structure for this morning as we go through.
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So the background to Ephesians 5 on marriage
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is the beginning of the Bible and God creating the material universe.
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The first mention of the Bible, of gender in the Bible,
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occurs with the very first mention of humanity itself.
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Genesis 1, 26, 28,
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God created mankind in his own image.
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In the image of God, he created them.
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Male and female, he created them.
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God blessed them and said to them,
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Be fruitful and increase in number.
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Fill the earth and subdue it.
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Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky
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and over every living creature that moves on the ground.
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Now, I'm going to go over some territory.
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I've already been here just because it's just helpful to be reminded of it.
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The wording of verse 26 is very important.
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The words, let us, God saying, let us and our point to the plurality of God.
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It's the Christian doctrine of the Trinity.
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It's the first glimpses of it we get.
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But, so God is plural, three in one,
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but the words image and likeness are both in the original Hebrew language in singular form.
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Plurality of God, but the image and the likeness of God is singular.
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The God of the Bible, in whose image humanity is created,
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is an eternal community.
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And that's the only way, as I said a couple of weeks ago,
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the only way you can come to terms with Genesis 2.18.
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The Lord God said,
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It is not good for a man to be alone.
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I will make a suitable helper for him.
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So Adam is alone and it's not good.
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It's the only thing in the creation account that's described as not good.
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That is, Adam is incomplete.
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This is before sin entered the world.
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And so God declares,
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I will make a helper suitable for him.
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Now, the woman is created differently than the way Adam was created.
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But she is created directly by God.
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And there's no sense in the biblical accounts at all
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that she is in any way inferior to the male,
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in any sense.
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Genesis 2.18 calls her a helper suitable for him.
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And the English word helper translates the Hebrew word.
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I've done this before.
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I want to go over it again.
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It translates the Hebrew word that is almost always used in the Bible
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to describe God's helping of Israel.
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The helper is someone who makes up for what is lacking in the other.
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In other words, if the word is used of God,
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there is no sense at all that God is in any way inferior to Israel.
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He is their savior, their rescue, their Lord.
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You see, the same word is used not just of God,
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but it's also used in the Old Testament to describe the military help.
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Like, for instance, military reinforcements of troops,
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which if they didn't get the reinforcements,
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the battle would be lost.
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So the woman is not a domestic assistant.
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The woman is a strong helper.
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She is a savior friend to the male, to the man.
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And so even right at the very beginning of Genesis,
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men and women are created with absolute equality.
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Both are made in the image of God.
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Both are equally blessed.
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Both are equally commissioned to have dominion of the earth,
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to exercise authority over the earth.
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Both.
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What this means is that men and women together,
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in full participation together,
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carry out God's mandate to rule the world.
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But God then tells them,
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straight after creating the man and male and female,
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he tells them to be fruitful and fill the earth.
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That is, that mandate there is a mandate to procreate,
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and it's a mandate that reflects God's own boundless,
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life-giving creativity.
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The God who is a source of life,
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his mandate is to reflect his life-giving creativity
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in the procreation of children.
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And it's a mandate,
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still to this day,
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whatever you think about views of gender,
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that we have to carry out in complementary union.
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None of us by ourselves have the ability
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to fulfil that mandate.
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So these verses strongly suggest
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that the sexes, male and female,
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are equal in dignity and worth,
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but also different,
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and they are complementary to one another.
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In fact, the word suitable,
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again, feels a bit weak.
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The word suitable there in Genesis,
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translate a phrase that is,
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you could kind of,
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you literally translate it as,
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like opposite him,
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which is another way of saying,
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God created woman
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who is just like the man,
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but also opposite to the man.
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And so when the woman is brought to the man
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in the first marriage ceremony,
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Adam doesn't go,
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whoa, humdinger.
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He actually,
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it's a poetry language of flesh of my flesh
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and bone of my bone.
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It's a language which goes,
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you are like me,
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and yet you're different than me.
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You are mysterious,
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but I'm drawn to you.
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If you like,
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they are two pieces of a puzzle.
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They fit together
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because they're not exactly alike,
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nor are they randomly different.
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They complete each other.
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And so what the Bible teaches us
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is that our gender
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is not incidental
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to our humanness,
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but it actually constitutes
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its very essence.
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It goes right down
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into the very core
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of who you are,
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into every cell of who you are.
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And what that means is
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we cannot understand ourselves
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if we try to ignore the way
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that God has designed us.
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Now, one of the first,
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ironically,
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one of the first feminist studies
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that argued for the irreducible
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gender indifference
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was Carol Gilligan's
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A Different Voice,
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1980s,
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early 1980s,
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I think it was written.
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It's been described
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as a little book
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that started a revolution,
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translated in over 20 different languages,
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a New York Times bestseller,
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continues to be used today.
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Now, Gilligan,
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a Jewish feminist,
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argued against
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what was happening
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in her circle
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she was arguing
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against social theories
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that tried to emphasise
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a gender indifference,
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that if there was any differences,
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that they were only superficial differences,
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that really were superficial differences
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based on culture and social constructs.
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what she insisted,
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with science,
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with science,
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with research,
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that female psychology development,
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psychological development,
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their motivations
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and even moral reasoning
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were different than those of males.
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women
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were different than those of them.
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She said you could see it
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right from the get-go
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from before they could even speak.
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And she argued
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absolutely convincingly
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amongst other things
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that while men seek maturity
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by detaching themselves relationally,
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becoming independent,
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women see themselves maturing
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as they attach themselves
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and become interdependent
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relationally.
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She said that's the irreducible differences
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between the two
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in summary form.
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And I would have to say
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that what Gilligan,
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whether she realised it or not,
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observed about gender difference
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is clearly played out
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in Genesis 3,
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negatively,
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where man and woman,
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they rebel against God's design
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and his rule
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and the immediate
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and catastrophic
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change
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in their unity
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between them
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is just
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beyond comprehension.
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Immediately,
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rather than a oneness
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and a union
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and a complementing
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of one another,
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there is blame shifting
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and finger pointing
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and accusation.
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instead of
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the difference
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being a source
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of completion
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of one another
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and joy for one another,
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it becomes
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an occasion
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for oppression
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and exploitation.
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The woman
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remains
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dependent
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and desirous
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of her husband.
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Her curse,
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you might notice
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up there,
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is a relational curse.
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You will desire
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your husband
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but he will rule
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it over you
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and his protection
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and love
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becomes a selfish lust
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and an exploitation
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of her.
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He will dominate her.
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The man,
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his curse,
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a desire
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to detach himself
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from relationally
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and set his course
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as an independent person
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to dominate
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and rule the world,
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his curse is
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your work
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will be your burden.
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The thing
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that you think
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will be your salvation
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will exploit you
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and dominate you
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and likewise
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for the woman,
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the thing
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that you think
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will be your salvation
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will dominate you
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and exploit you.
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What,
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the whole point
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of this
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is to see
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the equality
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and the differences
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but also
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to see
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that
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the problem
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in marriage
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is not
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Ephesians 5.
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The problem
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is not
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God's design.
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The problem
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is sin.
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and the
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profound
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self-centeredness
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of the human heart
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that grabs
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hold
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of Ephesians 5
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and says
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I can use
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this as a weapon.
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So,
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let's unpack
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how we,
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therefore,
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if marriage
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is a picture,
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if it meant
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to display,
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reflect a greater glory,
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let's look
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at how we do
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that in marriage.
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Ephesians 5.
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tells us
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that this is,
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in fact,
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the profound
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mystery of marriage
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between a man
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and a woman.
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It's a living
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illustration
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of the relationship
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between,
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the saving
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relationship
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between
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Christ
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and his church.
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And so,
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when
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Ephesians 5
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talks about
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specific roles,
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what is happening
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here
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is it's
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revealing
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something
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magnificent
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and about
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God.
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And what
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we discover
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is that
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Jesus
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is the
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pattern
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for both
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genders
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and both
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roles.
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First of all,
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we see it
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in the submission
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of Jesus.
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Philippians 2,
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verses 5 to 11,
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celebrate
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that although
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Jesus was
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equal with
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God,
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he entered
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himself of
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his glory
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and took
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on the role
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of a servant.
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And these
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verses teach
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quite clearly
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the equality
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of the father
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and the son,
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but also
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the voluntary
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submission
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of the son
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to the
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father
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to secure
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our salvation
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for the
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glory of
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the father.
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Nowhere
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in the
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New Testament
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are we
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told in
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any way,
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hinted at
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in any
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way,
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the
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God,
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the
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father
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coerced,
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forced,
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manipulated,
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or subjugated
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the son
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in any
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way
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whatsoever.
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His
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submission,
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the submission
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of the
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son
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is wholly
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voluntary.
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It was
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his gift
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to his
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father.
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And the
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father
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accepts
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the gift
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according to
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Philippians
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to,
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and exalts
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the son
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to the
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highest
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place.
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In other
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words,
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what happens
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is each
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exists to
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please the
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other,
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to exalt
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the other,
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to love
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and honour
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the other.
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and so
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there's
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this
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reciprocal,
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the
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love and
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honour
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are given,
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they are
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accepted,
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and they
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are given
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again.
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And in
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no sense
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at all
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from
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Philippians
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2,
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is the
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submission,
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the voluntary
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submission of
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Jesus,
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an assault
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on his
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dignity or
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his divinity
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in any way
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whatsoever.
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it was
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in fact
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the path,
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it was
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the path
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to the
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father giving
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him greater
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glory.
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This
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is the
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vibrant
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life of
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the
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trinity.
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The
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father and
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son
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relationship
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is a
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pattern of
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the
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relationship
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between
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the
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husband
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to
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wife.
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Submission
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in marriage
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is a
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gift
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offered
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by the
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wife
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to the
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husband
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for her
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greater
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glory.
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But
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Jesus is
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also the
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pattern for
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the husband.
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It would
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be a
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mistake,
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I think,
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it would be a
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mistake,
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and husbands,
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you need to
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hear this,
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it's a
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mistake to
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see that
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it takes
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an equal
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degree of
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submission
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for men
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to submit
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to their
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roles as
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servant
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leaders.
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Particularly
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if we
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see ourselves
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maturing by
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detachment
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and
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independence.
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you see,
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what Jesus
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does in
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his life,
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in his
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ministry,
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in his
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teaching,
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is he
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doesn't give
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us a
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different
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definition
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of
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leadership,
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he doesn't
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give us an
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alternative,
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what he
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does is he
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actually reveals
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the true
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definition
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of what
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leadership
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actually is
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in every
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sense,
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in all
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leadership,
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all
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leadership
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is.
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greatness is
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the one
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who is
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most
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self-effacing,
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most
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sacrificial,
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most
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devoted to
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the good
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of the
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other.
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A famous
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passage,
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John 13,
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Jesus
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washes
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these
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disciples'
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feet.
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servant,
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and what's
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famous about
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it is that
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the master,
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the one
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that they
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have become
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to know
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as the
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Lord,
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becomes
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the servant,
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takes on
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the role
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of the
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lowest
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activity
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of a
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servant
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in Jesus'
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culture,
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to wash
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the feet
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of those
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who were
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superior.
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And what
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he demonstrates
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here in the
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most dramatic
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way is that
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authority and
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leadership mean
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that you become
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the servant.
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You die to
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serve in
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order to
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love and
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to serve
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others.
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As Jesus
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tells us in
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Mark 10,
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he did not
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come to be
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served but
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to serve
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and to
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serve to
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the point
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of surrendering
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his life
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to death.
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That much
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of a
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sacrifice.
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And so
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what Jesus
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reveals
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directly from
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the God
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head,
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the design
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of creation
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is that
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all
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authority
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is
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servant
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authority.
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Not some
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of it,
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all
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authority
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is
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servant.
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There is
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no other
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definition
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except one
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that's
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redefined
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by sin.
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Any
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exercise
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of authority
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and power
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to please
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or advance
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yourself
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is in
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effect
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an
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abdication
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of
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authority
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and
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leadership.
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That's
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what it
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is.
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It's an
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abdication
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of authority
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and leadership.
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And so
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in Ephesians
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5,
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the husband
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submits
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to the
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role of
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servant
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leader
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who uses
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his authority
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and his
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power
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to express
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a love
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that does
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not even
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stop
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at dying
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for his
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beloved.
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That's
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headship
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in
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Ephesians
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5.
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In other
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words,
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when you
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step back
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and you
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look at
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Ephesians
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5,
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both
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headship
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and
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submission,
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both husband
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and wife
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get to
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play the
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role of
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Jesus
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in their
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marriage.
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Jesus
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in his
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sacrificial
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submission
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or Jesus
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in his
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sacrificial
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authority
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to their
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spouse.
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So,
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how do
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we work
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against
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sin,
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which
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happened in
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the Garden
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of Eden,
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where the
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oneness,
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because of
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sin,
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there's
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separation
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and fear,
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lack of
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vulnerability,
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cover up.
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What does it
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look like in
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practice?
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What is this
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gender role
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and difference?
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What does it
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mean in
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actual
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practice?
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Now,
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without your
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pen and
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your paper,
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because,
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actually,
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don't do
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that,
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because I'm
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not going
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to give
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you a
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list at
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all.
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This is,
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in fact,
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where it's
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incredibly
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frustrating for
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those who
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want lists,
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for those who
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want rules,
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for those who
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want just a
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job description.
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You know,
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Steve,
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could you whip
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out a job
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description and
-
just print one
-
out and send
-
us to it
-
tomorrow and
-
tell me what
-
my role is.
-
This is where
-
the Bible
-
gives us,
-
I mean,
-
it tells us
-
this and
-
doesn't give
-
us any
-
details.
-
It's what
-
it looks
-
like.
-
Nowhere,
-
nowhere anywhere
-
in the Bible
-
does it say
-
that a wife
-
should stay
-
at home,
-
never have
-
a career,
-
be responsible
-
for the
-
childcare and
-
the cooking.
-
Neither does
-
it say
-
husbands are
-
the breadwinners,
-
they're to do
-
the home
-
maintenance,
-
manage the
-
finances and
-
choose the
-
family car.
-
Nowhere at
-
all does
-
it say that,
-
at all.
-
Any such
-
stereotypes
-
are entirely
-
culturally
-
driven.
-
They are
-
not the
-
definition of
-
the
-
traditional
-
Christian
-
marriage at
-
all in
-
any way.
-
In fact,
-
in Jesus'
-
time,
-
there's no
-
way those
-
cultural
-
stereotypes
-
would have
-
worked.
-
The cultural
-
stereotypes that
-
we think in
-
Western
-
civilisation are
-
traditional
-
cultural
-
marriage,
-
traditional
-
Christian
-
marriage,
-
arose out
-
of
-
enlightenment
-
and the
-
industrialised
-
age.
-
We're
-
flocking to
-
the city
-
and for
-
the first
-
time in
-
history,
-
the man
-
gets up
-
or someone
-
gets up
-
and has
-
got to
-
go to
-
work in
-
a factory.
-
Well,
-
who looks
-
after the
-
kids?
-
You can't
-
take them
-
to the
-
factory.
-
Before
-
the
-
industrialised
-
age,
-
in an
-
agrarian
-
culture,
-
both husband
-
and wife
-
were in
-
the
-
paddock,
-
as you'll
-
find in
-
most farms
-
today.
-
They're both
-
in the
-
paddock.
-
They're both
-
doing,
-
well,
-
they didn't
-
have cars,
-
you know,
-
fixing the
-
cart or the
-
camel or
-
whatever it
-
is.
-
They're both
-
doing that
-
work.
-
You see,
-
the Bible
-
was written
-
for all
-
cultures
-
across the
-
centuries,
-
and so
-
any rigid
-
cultural
-
gender roles
-
have no
-
biblical
-
warrant at
-
all.
-
If you're
-
feeling guilty
-
at all
-
about any
-
of that
-
stuff,
-
you should
-
not.
-
The Bible
-
allows for
-
freedom in
-
the particulars
-
while still
-
upholding the
-
principle.
-
The basic
-
roles of
-
leader and
-
helper
-
are binding,
-
or if you
-
like,
-
the basic
-
function of
-
leader and
-
helper are
-
binding.
-
people
-
must work
-
out for
-
themselves
-
how this
-
is expressed
-
in their
-
marriage.
-
The very
-
process of
-
actually going
-
through that
-
is what I
-
think is part
-
of what it
-
means to
-
honour your
-
gender
-
differences.
-
rather than
-
just walking
-
into it,
-
which most
-
of us do,
-
walk into
-
marriage just
-
assuming the
-
roles that
-
we've inherited
-
without giving
-
it any thought
-
whatsoever as
-
to what the
-
biblical structure
-
of it might
-
be.
-
And so,
-
husbands, if I
-
can speak to
-
you,
-
some of
-
us may
-
need to
-
work on
-
the leader
-
part of
-
being a
-
servant
-
leader.
-
That is,
-
we're more
-
likely to
-
give in and
-
just go,
-
yeah,
-
whatever,
-
whatever,
-
whatever,
-
whatever.
-
And therefore,
-
when we do
-
that, we're
-
abdicating to
-
the wife to
-
make the
-
decision.
-
Dig down
-
our heart,
-
we just
-
don't want to
-
have to go
-
there.
-
We don't
-
want to take
-
the responsibility.
-
And so,
-
for some
-
of us,
-
that's what
-
we need
-
to do.
-
For me,
-
I've had to
-
work on
-
the servant
-
part of
-
the servant
-
leadership in
-
my marriage.
-
My
-
maleness is
-
that I
-
tend to
-
be, and
-
always have
-
been,
-
someone who
-
has looked
-
outward and
-
looked forward
-
in life.
-
I tend
-
to be quick
-
to step
-
stand on
-
principle,
-
to be
-
logical in
-
my problem
-
solving,
-
to planning
-
a course
-
of action
-
and getting
-
a job
-
done.
-
And those
-
gifts have
-
been affirmed
-
not just by
-
Nat, but
-
affirmed by
-
people in
-
life for me,
-
even in my
-
very first
-
job as a
-
15-year-old.
-
gift.
-
But even
-
those gifts
-
must be
-
balanced
-
because,
-
as it
-
turns out,
-
I should
-
never have
-
locked in the
-
date and
-
venue for
-
our wedding
-
without
-
consulting
-
that.
-
And in
-
my
-
mildness,
-
I can't
-
even believe
-
it really,
-
that I
-
did it,
-
but in
-
my
-
mildness,
-
I was
-
genuinely
-
surprised that
-
she was
-
shocked and
-
not affirming
-
the decisiveness
-
of it.
-
Apparently,
-
I'm
-
frustratingly
-
masculine in
-
my
-
independence.
-
And yet,
-
Nat has
-
continued to
-
affirm my
-
gifting while
-
also on
-
many, many
-
occasions and
-
constantly leaning
-
into me to
-
help me to
-
see the
-
impact of
-
my giftedness,
-
my independence
-
on her and
-
others to
-
balance it
-
out.
-
And when
-
she leans
-
into that,
-
either
-
frustratingly
-
or really
-
kindly and
-
helpfully,
-
it doesn't
-
matter,
-
either way,
-
the reason
-
that I
-
need to
-
listen is
-
because Nat,
-
like no one
-
else, has
-
experienced the
-
negativity, the
-
sin, the
-
wickedness of
-
my unbalanced
-
maleness.
-
She sees it
-
in a way that
-
no one else
-
does.
-
and experience
-
it like no
-
one else
-
does.
-
And so she
-
could say to
-
me,
-
you need to
-
know how
-
this felt.
-
and so she
-
pushes me and
-
pushes me and
-
pushes me.
-
Can I
-
say,
-
this is my
-
fifth sermon,
-
I think, on
-
marriage that I've
-
done.
-
Are we up to
-
number six?
-
I can't remember.
-
Marriage number
-
six.
-
I think it's
-
five.
-
I've been doing
-
the reporting,
-
but Nat and I
-
both together
-
are behind
-
these messages.
-
She has
-
contributed.
-
I bring in the
-
Hebrew and the
-
biblical stuff,
-
but it is the
-
worked out
-
reality of it
-
that is not
-
just me and
-
my vocation
-
and education,
-
it is us,
-
even if I'm doing
-
the reporting.
-
so I just
-
want to make
-
that clear.
-
I, as a
-
male, have
-
needed all,
-
I need all
-
the help I
-
can get.
-
And that's
-
particularly so
-
because I've
-
got four people
-
who are opposite
-
to me in the
-
home.
-
And God knew
-
exactly what I
-
needed.
-
He knew
-
exactly what I
-
needed.
-
I need all the
-
help I can get.
-
And what is
-
incredible is
-
that after
-
nearly three
-
decades, I
-
think, with
-
Nat, I've
-
learnt to
-
look at life
-
from her
-
perspective.
-
Not in the
-
same way she
-
does, but I
-
will find
-
myself in
-
pastoral
-
scenarios and
-
a whole range
-
of things,
-
and I will
-
come quicker
-
to what
-
Nat's view
-
might be on
-
this scenario.
-
I did
-
something
-
recently
-
and I
-
listened to
-
my
-
maleness
-
and before
-
I got
-
home and
-
reported to
-
Nat, I
-
knew exactly
-
what I
-
should have
-
done because
-
I knew
-
exactly what
-
she would
-
say.
-
And she
-
did.
-
Of course,
-
then my
-
sinfulness
-
went into
-
self-justification
-
mode.
-
she has
-
been a
-
strong
-
helper to
-
save me
-
from drifting
-
into, on
-
the one
-
hand, toxic
-
masculinity,
-
and on the
-
other hand,
-
from abdicating
-
my masculinity
-
so that she
-
has to pick
-
up the
-
leadership role.
-
So husband
-
and wife are
-
there to
-
complement each
-
other.
-
And on a
-
deeper level,
-
we find out
-
who we
-
really are
-
because of
-
our spouse.
-
Because no
-
one can see
-
us the way
-
they see
-
us.
-
They see all
-
of our sins
-
and our
-
failings and
-
our faults
-
and our
-
weaknesses like
-
no other
-
one.
-
And they
-
experience it,
-
they are on
-
the receiving
-
end of it,
-
like no
-
other.
-
And so
-
in marriage,
-
as Nick
-
said last
-
week,
-
marriage a
-
truth,
-
loving
-
commitment
-
and grace,
-
a person
-
who is
-
like me
-
but opposite
-
me,
-
that person
-
is healing
-
me.
-
They're
-
shaping me.
-
And it
-
goes both
-
ways.
-
You know,
-
recently Nat
-
was frustrated
-
with an
-
issue and
-
to do,
-
I didn't
-
know what
-
the issue
-
was,
-
I actually
-
can't be
-
who it
-
was,
-
but there
-
was this
-
issue where,
-
I think it
-
was at work
-
where she
-
needed to
-
fire off an
-
email and
-
she actually
-
was so
-
passionate
-
about it,
-
she said,
-
I'm just
-
going to
-
send him
-
an email.
-
And I
-
said,
-
hang on a
-
bit,
-
maybe just
-
sleep on
-
it for a
-
bit.
-
Or maybe
-
just draft
-
something and
-
send it to
-
me and
-
then I'll
-
have a look
-
at it and
-
maybe send
-
it tomorrow.
-
And she
-
did.
-
I looked at
-
it,
-
I came up
-
with a few
-
edits,
-
sent it back
-
to her and
-
she said to
-
me,
-
I'm so glad
-
that you
-
said that to
-
me and
-
your edits
-
were just
-
the right
-
wording and
-
I sent it
-
off.
-
You see
-
what's
-
happened
-
there?
-
Nat
-
and I
-
swapped
-
roles.
-
That is,
-
she became
-
like me in
-
the first
-
instance and
-
I was like
-
her, she
-
taught me to
-
do that.
-
She taught
-
me to hang
-
on a bit,
-
sleep on
-
it.
-
I hope
-
I've given
-
her a little
-
bit more
-
than just
-
I'm going to
-
fire off an
-
email.
-
But hopefully
-
the decisiveness
-
at that point
-
or taking
-
initiative at
-
that point
-
might be a
-
helpful thing,
-
I don't know.
-
But it
-
goes both
-
ways.
-
Now let me
-
just say,
-
while the
-
practical
-
details are
-
missing in
-
Ephesians 5,
-
the principles
-
of how
-
authority and
-
submission
-
work out
-
are not
-
missing.
-
So I'm
-
going to
-
mention
-
four things
-
and I
-
want to
-
mention
-
them from
-
the negative
-
of what
-
submission and
-
headship and
-
authority are
-
not.
-
So first
-
of all,
-
the husband's
-
authority,
-
like the
-
authority of
-
Jesus over
-
his church,
-
is never
-
used to
-
please himself
-
but only to
-
serve the
-
interests of
-
his wife.
-
That is,
-
a headship
-
does not
-
mean a
-
husband simply
-
makes all
-
the decisions
-
and it
-
certainly
-
doesn't mean
-
he gets
-
his own
-
way in
-
every
-
disagreement.
-
Why?
-
Because Jesus
-
never did
-
anything to
-
please himself.
-
A servant
-
leader must
-
sacrifice his
-
wants and
-
his needs
-
and particularly
-
blokes for
-
your own
-
personal
-
advancement,
-
in order to
-
build up and
-
to please
-
your spouse.
-
Secondly,
-
a wife in
-
her submission
-
is never
-
meant to be
-
merely compliant
-
but is to
-
use her
-
resources to
-
empower.
-
She is to
-
be her
-
husband's
-
most trusted
-
friend,
-
counsellor,
-
and corrector
-
as he
-
is hers.
-
To
-
complement
-
each other
-
means
-
husband and
-
wife need
-
to hear
-
each other
-
out,
-
they need
-
to make
-
their
-
arguments,
-
and they
-
need to
-
discern a
-
way forward.
-
Now,
-
that's
-
hard.
-
It's
-
hard work
-
and it
-
involves
-
loving
-
disagreement
-
with
-
affection
-
until you
-
sharpen,
-
enrich,
-
and enhance
-
each other
-
on multiple
-
occasions
-
in our
-
life together.
-
The course
-
of action
-
that we
-
have gone
-
as a
-
couple
-
and that
-
I've
-
made the
-
call on
-
to go
-
on.
-
Nat
-
has
-
sharpened
-
that
-
decision,
-
hasn't
-
ultimately
-
changed the
-
direction,
-
but brought
-
so much
-
nuance and
-
sharpened
-
it in
-
such a
-
way that
-
the
-
actual,
-
if you
-
like,
-
execution of
-
the decision
-
has been
-
entirely
-
hers,
-
her making,
-
even if
-
the decision,
-
the direction
-
was mine.
-
You see,
-
the wife
-
must bring
-
every gift
-
and resource
-
that she
-
has to
-
the discussion
-
and the
-
husband must,
-
as any
-
wise leader
-
should,
-
know when
-
to allow
-
his wife's
-
expertise
-
to trump
-
his own
-
and his
-
own less
-
well-informed
-
opinion.
-
That is,
-
a servant
-
leader means,
-
and any
-
secular book
-
on this
-
will tell
-
you,
-
means to be
-
a servant
-
leader,
-
you cannot
-
always be
-
the smartest
-
man in
-
the room.
-
In fact,
-
you ought
-
not be.
-
Number three,
-
Ephesians 5
-
does not
-
mean a
-
wife is
-
not to
-
give a
-
husband
-
unconditional
-
obedience
-
when it
-
says the
-
words,
-
in
-
everything.
-
No
-
human being
-
should give
-
any other
-
human being
-
unconditional
-
obedience.
-
As Peter
-
says,
-
we must
-
obey God
-
rather than
-
man.
-
a wife,
-
let me be
-
clear on
-
this,
-
a wife
-
should not
-
obey or
-
aid a
-
husband in
-
doing things
-
that God
-
forbids,
-
such as
-
breaking the
-
law,
-
or obey
-
him in
-
abusing
-
her in
-
any way,
-
what's
-
safe,
-
or any
-
form
-
whatsoever.
-
For
-
example,
-
if a
-
husband
-
physically
-
abuses
-
his wife,
-
the strong
-
help that
-
you become
-
in that
-
moment,
-
that you
-
should exercise
-
as a
-
wife,
-
is to
-
love and
-
forgive your
-
husband in
-
your heart,
-
but you
-
should also
-
call the
-
police and
-
have him
-
arrested.
-
You
-
should do
-
both.
-
Absolutely
-
do both.
-
It is
-
never kind,
-
it is
-
never loving
-
to anyone
-
to make
-
any form
-
of excuse
-
for wrong
-
behaviour.
-
And there
-
is no
-
sense in
-
Ephesians 5
-
that the
-
husband can
-
in any
-
way,
-
shape,
-
form,
-
order his
-
wife around
-
in daily
-
life.
-
Nothing in
-
Ephesians 5
-
would lead
-
you to
-
conclude
-
that.
-
He has
-
no right
-
to order
-
her to
-
wash the
-
dishes.
-
no right
-
to order
-
her to
-
go to
-
work.
-
No right
-
to order
-
her to
-
stop
-
going to
-
work.
-
No right
-
to order
-
her not
-
to go to
-
church or
-
to a
-
community
-
group.
-
He has
-
no right
-
to order
-
her to
-
have sex.
-
No right
-
to order
-
her to
-
have
-
anything
-
at all,
-
do anything
-
at all.
-
That's
-
not what
-
headship
-
is.
-
Number
-
four,
-
husbands
-
assuming
-
the role
-
of
-
headship
-
is only
-
done
-
for
-
purposes
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for
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serving
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your
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wife
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and
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family.
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Can we
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understand
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what
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headship
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is now?
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Can we
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understand
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what the
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authority
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is?
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It's
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only for
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the purpose
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of serving.
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It's
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not for
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dominating
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in any
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way
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whatsoever.
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Headship
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means the
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husband
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can only
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overrule
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if he
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spouse,
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sorry,
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overrule
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his spouse
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if he
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is sure
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that her
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choice
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would be
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destructive
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to her
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or to
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the
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family.
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And I
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would say
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in the
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moment of
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overruling
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you would
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do so
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with the
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counsel of
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others
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before you
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overrule.
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That is
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headship
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is never
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to be used
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selfishly
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to get your
-
own way
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about the
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colour of
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the car
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that you're
-
going to
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buy.
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who gets
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to hold
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the
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remote
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for TV.
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whether
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you know
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headship
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doesn't
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mean you
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get to
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choose
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whether you
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have the
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night out
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with the
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boys or
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whether you
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should stay
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home and
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help the
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wife with
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the kids
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and the
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washing and
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the kids
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and whatever
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else.
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Headship
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is an
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important and
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a practical
-
principle.
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It is a
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very practical
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principle.
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principle.
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It is not
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about
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superiority
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at all.
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It is
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just a
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very
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practical
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principle
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because
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with the
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equality
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of husband
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and wife
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there is
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only two
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votes in
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marriage.
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So how
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does a
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stalemate
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get broken?
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With two
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votes.
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and two
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votes
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without
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someone
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having to
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give way
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and make
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their vote
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null and
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void.
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You see
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in a
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healthy
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marriage
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this
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stalemate
-
scenario
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are broken
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because
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each will
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try to
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give the
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other his
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or her
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pleasure.
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that's
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how it's
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broken in
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a healthy
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marriage.
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And in
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that sense
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what it
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means is
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that what
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you discover
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is that
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the more
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that you
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follow this
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pattern
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the whole
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idea of
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headship
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becomes very
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rare indeed.
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in fact
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I would
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say that
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in the
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27 and
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a half
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years I've
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been married
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this idea
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of the
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exercise of
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my headship
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in our
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marriage
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has happened
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you could
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count them
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you could
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count them
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on two
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hands
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maybe
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most likely
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one hand
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I've had to
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exercise
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headship.
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That's all.
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It's not
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happening
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Monday
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to Sunday.
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It's a
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very rare
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occasion.
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And it's
-
an occasion
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when Nat
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and I
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can't agree
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but a
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decision
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must be
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made.
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And in
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one such
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case because
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there are
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some times
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where you
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can't agree
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and you
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can't not
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make a
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decision.
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You know
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like
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husband and
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wife are
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at star
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might
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loggerheads
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as to
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the
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education
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of
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their
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children.
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You
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can't
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not
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make
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a
-
decision.
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At
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some
-
point
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you're
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going to
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get a
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phone
-
call or
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letter
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from the
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government.
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Why are
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your kids
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not enrolled?
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They're 17.
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They haven't
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been to
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school.
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You've
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got to
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make a
-
decision.
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in one
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such case
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of that
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stalemate
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it resulted
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in me
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making a
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decision
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and it
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was a
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decision
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that ultimately
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was to
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trust in
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Nat's
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superior
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knowledge and
-
experience.
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The stalemate
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was broken
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when I
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went
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actually
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Nat's
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got the
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best
-
idea.
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Now
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you might
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say
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well hang
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on a
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bit
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isn't
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that
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just
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another
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way of
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saying
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that the
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stalemate
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was
-
ended
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because
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Nat
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made the
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decision?
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Not at
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all.
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Not at
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all.
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I made
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the
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decision
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because
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course
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I did
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not
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change
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my
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view.
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I
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still
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held
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my
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view
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but I
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said
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for the
-
sake
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of Nat
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and in
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fact our
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kids at
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this point
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her view
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is the
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best way
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forward.
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It's the
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best
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exercise
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of servant
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leadership.
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And
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we
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endorse
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her
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view
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deciding
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in her
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way
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I
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took
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full
-
responsibility
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for that
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decision
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from that
-
moment.
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And
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at no
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point
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have I
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ever
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gone back
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and said
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told you
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so.
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Told
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you
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so.
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The
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husband
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is to
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weigh
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the
-
wife's
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argument
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in the
-
stalemate
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with
-
her.
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Get
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his
-
wife to
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help
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him
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consider
-
and
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primarily
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blokes
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you
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need
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your
-
spouse
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to help
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you.
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You
-
need
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your
-
wife
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to
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help
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you
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consider
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your
-
motives
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not
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the
-
logic
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of
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your
-
arguments
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because
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the
-
motive
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that's
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deep
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inside
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of
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your
-
heart
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is
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a
-
motive
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that's
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going
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to
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push
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you
-
towards
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independence
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and
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you
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need
-
your
-
spouse
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to
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help
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you
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understand
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your
-
motives.
-
And
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then you
-
make a
-
decision
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that
-
serves
-
your
-
wife and
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your
-
family the
-
best.
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So
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servant
-
leadership
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works to
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complement
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relational
-
independence.
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Headship is
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about sacrifice
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and responsibility.
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So I've
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taken all
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the time
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and I
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just want
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to say
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one last
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thing.
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Where do
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we get
-
the power
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for all
-
of this?
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And
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especially
-
if
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right now
-
and I
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can say
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even if
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your spouse
-
is not
-
on board
-
with you
-
for this
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right now
-
you still
-
have the
-
power to
-
start moving
-
in the
-
direction
-
by God's
-
design
-
in your
-
marriage.
-
marriage
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because the
-
power that
-
comes from
-
it is
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ultimately
-
not just
-
embracing
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each other
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but by
-
being embraced
-
by the
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ultimate
-
other.
-
The one
-
who is
-
ultimately
-
different
-
to us.
-
The
-
gender
-
differences
-
are
-
seismic.
-
The
-
sin in
-
our hearts
-
tends to
-
respond by
-
assigning
-
moral
-
significance
-
to those
-
differences
-
when the
-
differences
-
are really
-
deeply
-
temperamental.
-
And
-
Jesus
-
gives us
-
the pattern
-
to make
-
it work
-
but also
-
the power
-
to change
-
our hearts
-
towards each
-
other.
-
And that
-
power is
-
simply this.
-
It's the
-
gospel.
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You should
-
have picked
-
this up in
-
Ephesians
-
when we're
-
in Ephesians
-
but Jesus
-
Christ
-
embraced
-
his church.
-
He
-
embraced
-
that which
-
was completely
-
other than
-
him.
-
Sinful
-
nature.
-
Sinful
-
humanity.
-
As
-
being
-
humans
-
we are
-
not
-
just
-
simply
-
different
-
from
-
him.
-
We are
-
fundamentally
-
opposed
-
to him
-
as
-
God.
-
And yet
-
he took
-
on human
-
flesh
-
and he
-
drew
-
close.
-
He
-
didn't
-
exclude
-
us by
-
simply
-
from the
-
heights
-
of heaven
-
casting
-
us away
-
consigning
-
us to
-
eternal
-
judgment
-
for
-
rebellion
-
against
-
him.
-
He
-
took
-
on
-
human
-
flesh
-
and
-
embraced
-
us
-
ultimately
-
by dying
-
on the
-
cross
-
in our
-
place
-
for our
-
sin.
-
For
-
Jesus
-
to
-
embrace
-
hostile
-
humanity
-
required of
-
him the
-
greatest
-
sacrifice
-
of all.
-
He had
-
to experience
-
the rejection
-
of his
-
father.
-
He was
-
excluded
-
so that
-
we could
-
be brought
-
in.
-
And
-
sometimes
-
maybe too
-
often
-
spouses
-
experience
-
betrayal
-
rejection
-
and attacks
-
and the
-
easiest thing
-
to do
-
in that
-
moment
-
is to
-
withdraw
-
and leave.
-
And in
-
some instances
-
for your own
-
safety you
-
do need
-
to.
-
But the
-
place that
-
you cling
-
to in
-
every instance
-
where that
-
happens
-
is the
-
knowledge that
-
Jesus never
-
did.
-
And he
-
never will.
-
He embraced
-
us, he
-
loves us and
-
still does.
-
And what that
-
means is it
-
enables us to
-
embrace rather
-
than exclude
-
our spouse
-
with all the
-
mysterious and
-
often infuriating
-
differences there
-
are between us.
-
in the
-
gospel of
-
Jesus Christ
-
we have
-
profound
-
security that
-
frees us
-
from the
-
natural human
-
impulse
-
that seeks
-
to despise
-
anyone who
-
is different
-
to us,
-
to negate
-
it,
-
to demean
-
it,
-
to put it
-
down.
-
and that's
-
especially the
-
case our
-
spouse.
-
Marriage is
-
often painful
-
and it is
-
always complicated
-
but it helps
-
us grow and
-
mature in
-
ways that no
-
other experience
-
in this world
-
can produce.
-
It also brings
-
about deep
-
oneness and
-
self-knowledge
-
and change
-
because of
-
the profound
-
complementarity
-
there is
-
between the
-
sexes.
-
The tender
-
serving
-
authority of
-
a husband's
-
headship
-
and the
-
strong
-
gracious
-
gift of
-
a wife's
-
submission
-
restore us
-
to who
-
we're meant
-
to be
-
at the
-
very
-
creation.
-
And by
-
accepting
-
our gender
-
roles and
-
operating within
-
them we are
-
able to
-
demonstrate
-
to the
-
world,
-
to the
-
unbelieving
-
world,
-
concepts that
-
are so
-
counterintuitive
-
as to be
-
virtually
-
completely
-
unintelligible
-
!
-
Concepts of
-
God,
-
of his
-
nature,
-
of who he
-
is in the
-
gospel,
-
completely
-
unintelligible
-
unless they
-
are lived
-
out by men
-
and women
-
in Christian
-
marriage.