Roman 16:17:20

We've been in the book of Romans around two years, I think, and it's been an awesome time.

We've learned a lot of really great truth together.

I'm kind of coming to a close on this.

So Paul has talked about how awesome our great salvation is in Christ.

He's told us that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ alone and nothing else.

And now he's kind of wrapping up the letter to the church at Rome.

And he throws out some things here at the end that are really, you want to ask, why did he kind of like end this way?

Look at verse 17 of Romans 16.

We're going to read our text for this morning.

It says,

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught.

Avoid them.

For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites.

And by smooth talk and flattery, they deceive the hearts of the naive.

For your obedience is known to all, so that I rejoice over you.

But I want you to be wise as to what is good and innocent to what is evil.

The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

Just pray with me.

Father, I'm overwhelmed and thankful to be here this morning with your people, the church.

Those who have been bought with the blood of Christ.

And I pray that you would help me communicate well this morning in a way that would only bring you glory.

This isn't about me.

It's not about anyone here.

We were made for you, Lord.

And I pray that I know that I can sometimes rely too much in myself or not rely enough in you.

And I pray that you would just fill me and control me and allow me to speak the words of life that we just sang about.

That men have died for throughout the centuries to preserve translators and people that love you.

So God, just find us faithful this morning.

In Christ's name, amen.

Amen.

So, throughout Scripture, throughout the Old and New Testaments, but particularly what we're going to look at a lot this morning in the New Testament,

there are sober warnings against those who would teach a gospel contrary to the one that they had received.

False teachers, false prophets.

False.

What we need to understand is that there are no new truths from God.

There's no new revelations from God.

No new morals, whatever.

Like what God has taught throughout the centuries, there's nothing new at all.

God is not changing things.

He's not up in heaven at the moment saying, I wish I got something else into this book.

He's not doing that.

That's a puny, pathetic God.

But throughout the Scripture, there are all kinds of warnings to look out for, be on the watch for false teachers,

those who would attack the truth of the gospel.

And so we're told as believers to examine everything carefully under the Word of God

and to almost develop like a sixth sense for when something is not right and something is untrue.

So we're going to have just maybe five places to turn other than our main text,

but hold your place in Romans 16 so you can flip back.

Return to Mark 13.

We'll just look at some words from Christ.

Mark 13, verse 21.

Mark 13:21

And some believers have been fooled into thinking, well, I have the Holy Spirit, so I'm good.

Like whenever something is not true, the Holy Spirit is just going to tell me it's not true.

That's not true.

Jesus said in John, when he's talking about the Holy Spirit, he said,

He will remind you of everything that I have taught you.

He will remind you of the things that I have put into your heart.

And so you have to ask the question, well, if you don't know what Christ said,

how can the Holy Spirit remind you?

And it is possible for even genuine believers to believe lies and to believe false teachings.

And we're going to see that right here.

Mark 13, verse 21.

Mark 13:21

And then this is Jesus talking.

He says,

And then if anyone says to you,

Behold, here is the Christ.

Or behold, He is there.

Do not believe Him.

For false Christs and false prophets will arise

and will show signs and wonders in order to lead astray.

If possible, the elect.

See that?

So even God's people can be deceived by false teaching.

But take heed.

Behold, I have told you these things.

I have told you everything in advance.

Like I have told you.

So look out for this stuff.

And in Hebrews 13, it says this,

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings.

Like it's just this constant theme.

There's actually two books in the New Testament

that are completely dedicated to apostasy and false teaching.

That's the book of Jude and the book of 2 Peter.

Totally dedicated to like exposing false prophets

and warning us that they will be coming.

So a second place to turn today.

Flip over to 1 Thessalonians chapter 5.

1 Thessalonians 5 · chapter mention

And we're going to kind of look at what we're called to do as believers

in light of this storm of false teaching and false doctrines that are out there.

We're going to talk about some later in the message.

So, in light of that, believers are called, I should say commanded,

to use discernment in everything that they read and everything that they hear.

And this is what, verse 21, chapter 5.

Very simple, it says,

But examine everything carefully.

Hold fast to which is good.

Abstain from every form of evil.

And these words there, examine,

it means to like to make a distinction,

to analyze, to test,

to prove, like you would like precious metals,

and to deem worthy, to scrutinize.

That's what this means.

So, how many of us actually do that

when we read and when we listen

to things outside of the Word of God itself?

We need to learn to discern truth from half-truth

and truth from error.

One of the best vehicles of false teachers

is not to just teach you an all-out lie,

but to teach you a lie sprinkled in the midst of some truth

under the guise of familiar language and jargon.

And the writer of the Hebrews

also gives very sober warnings about this.

He said,

he pleased with them

not to depart from the truth that they had received.

And in chapter 2, he says,

Therefore, we must pay much closer attention

to what we have heard,

lest we drift away from it.

And in chapter 5,

he actually classifies those who are spiritually mature

and those who are not spiritually mature.

The distinction he makes is

the mature will be able to discern

from good and evil.

Pretty interesting.

That's like what he says.

So, this is what he says,

But solid food is for the mature,

for those who have had their powers of discernment

trained by constant practice

to distinguish good from evil.

See that?

Like this, their senses have learned

like something doesn't smell right here,

something is not right about what this guy is saying.

This is not true what I'm reading

or hearing on TBN or whatever.

So, what matters

is that we're called to be discerning

in all that we read and hear as believers

and to guard the gospel.

If I had to have a title this morning,

that would be it.

Like guarding the gospel.

Paul told Timothy,

Guard the good deposit

that was entrusted to you.

Hold it dear and protect it.

Philippians 1, 9 says this,

It is my prayer

that your love may abound more and more

with all knowledge and all discernment

so that you may approve what is excellent.

And so be pure and blameless

for the day of Christ.

So he prayed like that they would have discernment

to approve what is good,

what is evil,

what is true,

what is false.

So, but messages like this

can come across

harsh, I guess,

and unloving.

And I really want to just take just a second

to explain to you my motive

and my desire.

Recently,

some of you know,

like I was diagnosed with some skin cancer

and I had to go through some things,

but everything looks good now.

And I've had other health issues in my past.

So,

I have just an illustration for you.

Some of the college students

might have actually heard this before.

But,

let's say,

you know,

one day you were,

noticed something wasn't right,

like you felt something weird going on

in your body.

And so you go to

the hospital

or to the clinic

or whatever

and to see one of your best friends

is actually the doctor there.

And you go with your family

and you go with your children

and you just expect

to just kind of run some quick tests

and be out by lunch.

Now,

you've already gone to the doctor's office

and done that.

That's the only thing you look forward to

is getting out and eating.

So,

so you're there

and the tests are on

and you're sitting in the waiting room.

Meanwhile,

your friend is in the back

and he gets the results

from your test.

And he sees

that you actually

have the worst type of cancer

that's out there.

And unless he does something

soon

and you start going through treatment,

you're going to be dead

really fast.

So in that moment,

he has a choice.

He can say,

well,

man,

if I tell him this,

this is going to ruin his day.

It's going to ruin his week.

It's going to ruin the rest of his life,

probably.

I'm going to make his wife cry.

I'm going to make his children cry.

If I go out there

and I tell him the truth

about his condition,

well,

I don't want to make him upset.

So I'm just not going to do it.

Is that the loving thing to do?

No.

Like,

love

would compel him

to go out there

despite of what this friend

may think about him.

and it would compel him

to tell him the truth.

You have cancer.

Because he,

even though it's hard for him

to tell him the truth,

he loves him

and is fighting

to save his life.

Right?

That's what truth is.

And that's what love does.

It's the nature of love

to warrant against those

for harm,

for those that it might hurt,

you know.

Two,

so I just want you to know

that I have no hidden motive

this morning.

Turn to Ephesians chapter 4

Ephesians 4 · chapter mention

real fast.

And this kind of sums up

my attitude.

word.

It's the nature of love

just to protect

those whom it loves.

Okay,

Ephesians chapter 4

Ephesians 4 · chapter mention

go to verse 14.

And this is Paul talking.

And here we go.

We just kind of read over this stuff

and don't think much about it.

But,

it says,

he's praying for them

in this prayer.

And he says,

so that you may no longer

be children

tossed to and fro

by the waves

and carried about

by the wind

of doctrine,

by every wind of doctrine,

by human cunning,

by craftiness

and deceitful schemes.

See that?

So he says,

that's children

who are tossed around

by every wind of doctrine

that's out there.

But then it says,

rather,

speaking the truth in love,

we are to grow up

in every way

into him who is the head,

into Christ,

from whom the whole body

joined

and held together

by every joint

with which is it equipped.

With each part

that's working properly

makes the body grow

so that it builds itself up

in love.

So,

my desire is like

to warn you

and say that

there are many winds

of doctrine out there.

I love to study

church movements

and church history.

I bore a lot of people

with that

day after day

when I talk about it.

But,

I'm not interested

to know

that the mainline

Protestant

denominations

in the U.S.,

I could say in Europe too,

who once started

very conservative,

very,

you know,

Christ-centered,

gospel-loving,

you know,

people

who held the Scripture

in high regard

and said it was

the Word of God.

Most all of the

mainline denominations

have departed from that.

Most of them.

Here in the U.S.,

the,

like,

I'm not speaking

for every

type of person

who's in this denomination.

I'll start with the Baptists

because we're Baptists.

Southern Baptists

have,

overall,

thankfully,

as kooky as we can be

about some other things,

we've held on to

the authority

of Scripture

and we've held on to

the inerrancy

of Scripture

and Christ being

the only way

to God

and salvation by grace.

We've held on

to those things.

But there are

many different things

that have split off

of Southern Baptists.

Different liberal

theological groups

and,

but some of the

mainline denominations,

some of the

mainline Lutheran

denominations,

mainline Methodists,

have all abandoned

those things.

But definitely,

there are conservative

Methodists and Lutherans

out there

who don't,

you know,

tolerate that

at all

and say,

no,

that's not

what we believe.

So,

we have to

take heed here.

I don't want you guys

to believe every false

teaching this out there.

And as it says,

the goal here is love,

not rebuke.

It's like,

to show you like,

if you're a parent,

you have a child,

they're doing something

going to harm them,

you're going to like

yank that out of their hands,

right?

That's what the loving

thing to do is.

So,

out of our text in Romans,

I believe I have just

five questions

we're going to look at.

So,

flip back to Romans,

Romans 16 · chapter mention

chapter 16.

Some of you know

I have respiratory issues

and I'm not breathing

well this morning,

so,

just bear with me.

Okay,

so the first

question we're going

to ask from our

text

is,

what is the mark

of false teachers?

what's the mark

of false teachers?

We see this in verse 17.

I appeal to you,

brothers,

to watch out for those

who cause divisions

and create obstacles

contrary to the doctrine

that you have been taught.

Avoid them.

So,

Paul's not talking

about minor

quarrels here,

about the carpet,

or about

little

Bible stories

that,

you know,

whatever.

He's talking about

serious deals

that can cause

divisions in a church.

And,

he says to watch

out for them.

And he says

their distinction is

they're going to teach you

like a gospel

contrary to the one

that you've heard.

word.

And so,

like,

watch out.

And,

like I said,

we have a few places

to turn this morning,

but scripture

interprets scripture.

You need to support

what you're arguing

with the other scripture.

So,

flip to

2 Timothy,

2 Timothy 4 · chapter mention

chapter 4.

2 Timothy,

2 Timothy 4 · chapter mention

chapter 4.

See,

the gospel has been

passed down

throughout the centuries.

It hasn't changed.

It's been a relay

of truth

for all time.

And,

this is Paul

talking to Timothy

who is himself

a pastor.

So,

verse 1

of chapter 4.

He says,

I charge you,

I charge you,

Timothy,

in the presence

of God

and of Christ Jesus

who is the judge

of the living

and the dead

and by his appearing

in his kingdom.

Preach

the word.

Not a word

or a good word.

Preach the word.

God's word.

He said,

be ready

in season

and out of season.

Reprove,

rebuke,

exhort

with complete

patience and teaching

that for the time

is coming

when people

will not endure

sound teaching

but having itching

years,

they will accumulate

for themselves

teachers

to suit their

own passions

and will turn

away

from listening

to the truth

and wander

off into myths.

So,

people who find

the truth of God

hard to handle,

those go somewhere

else.

They'll go and

listen to a teacher

who will tell them

what they want

to hear.

Tell me

how man-centered

things are.

So,

instead of

submitting to God's

truth,

they find teachers

that will help

them,

you know,

appease what

they want

and the spirit

of the age,

I guess you could

say in a lot

of ways,

what culture

would say.

So,

the mark of false

teachers is

they teach a gospel

contrary to the one

that's been passed

down throughout the

centuries and the

one that this

testifies to.

The second

point,

flip back over

to Romans.

The second

question is,

what is the

motive of

false teachers?

Okay,

and we see this

in verse 18.

It says,

for such

persons do

not serve our

Lord Christ

but their own

appetites.

So,

false teachers

serve their own

appetizer.

What this

means in Greek

is literally

your belly

which means

like the

things that

your flesh

may crave.

John Piper

said here,

behind the

plausible speech

and smooth

talk of a

gentleman,

gentlemanly,

he said,

demeanor is

idolatry and

the idol is

the belly,

the appetite

for food

or sex

or human

approval.

Behind the

serious false

teaching,

we almost

have to

find out

these aren't

just intellectual

mistakes.

These are

worldly passions

that come

from an

enslaving mind.

So,

like we,

false teachers

have a

different motive

other than

to glorify

Christ.

They want

man to

approve

them,

they want

popularity,

they want

money,

power,

etc.

And I'm

going to

read

something

from 1

Timothy

to you

that kind

of explains

this.

Paul

talking

again,

he says,

if anyone

teaches

a doctrine,

a different

doctrine,

does not

agree with

sound words

of our

Lord Jesus

Christ,

in the

teaching that

is in

accordance with

godliness,

he is

puffed up

and conceited

and understands

nothing.

He has an

unhealthy

craving for

controversy and

quarrels about

words.

And it

says that

they,

he goes

on to

say that

he does

this because

he hopes

it will

give him

great gain.

He hopes

that teaching

these things

contrary to

the gospel

will be a

means of

gain.

So,

they have

some hidden

motive,

it's not

to glorify

Christ.

And you

always can

tell,

because men

who do

want to

glorify

Christ will

always tell

you,

if I'm

out of

line,

tell me,

like let

what I've

said be

tested here,

because false

teachers don't

like scrutiny.

They'll say,

just stay

away from

me,

and don't

scrutinize

me at

all with

that stuff.

So,

you know,

I,

there's so

many,

this question

could go on

and on,

this next

one,

but what

is the

method of

false

teachers,

is the

next

question.

What is

the method

of false

teachers?

In

verse 18,

it says,

by smooth

talk and

flattery,

they deceive

hearts.

See this?

Smooth

talk and

flattery.

The word

flattery is

eulogia.

Does that

sound familiar?

Like a

memorial service?

A eulogy,

to give a

blessing or

to give

praise to

someone.

So,

in a bad

sense,

like they're

giving you a

blessing,

they're telling

you what

you want

to hear.

And then in

smooth talk,

it says,

this word

means like

simple,

pleasant,

plausible

words.

They're not

trying to

trick you

on the

surface.

It doesn't

come across

that way.

False

teachers

don't get a

big crowd

by being

rough and

harsh and

rambling.

They get it

by being

nice guys

and by

appealing to

the

sympathies of

culture.

So,

throughout

history,

false

teachers have

been kind

of like

that.

One guy

from

336 A.D.,

Arius,

he was a

part of the

Arian heresy

in the

Council of

Nicaea.

He denied

the divinity

of Christ.

And listen

to what

this one

historian

kind of

explains what

he's like.

He says,

he was a

bright,

energetic,

attractive

fellow,

the kind

of citizen

whom any

rotary club

would welcome,

singing sea

shanties in

the dockside

pubs,

and teaching

Bible stories

on Wednesday

night.

This was an

immensely popular

man.

His story

reminds us

the heresy

does not

blunge in

us into

unbelief.

We are

seduced.

He was a

gentleman.

His morals

were above

reproach,

and he

distinguished

himself by

his unfailing

courtesy.

These are

what false

teachers look

like.

They're so

good.

They're

attractive

even.

So,

we're told

to avoid

them.

Listen to

what Jesus

said in

Matthew 7.

He said,

false

teachers,

false

prophets

will come

to you

in sheep's

clothing,

right?

But he

said,

but inwardly

they're

ravenous

wolves.

So,

they appear

attractive and

good on the

outside,

but inwardly

they are

not.

So,

they're very

tricky.

I listen to

some of these

guys.

So crafty

with how they

play with

words and

play with

ideas and

flip questions

on people.

So,

then the

next question,

fourth

question,

who is

the prey

of false

teachers?

Okay,

so who do

false teachers

like to

prey on?

And according

to our text,

in verse 18,

it says the

naive.

And this

means the

harmless,

someone who's

fearing no

evil from

anybody,

and they

distrust no

one.

They don't

suspect anyone's

up to

mischief.

And I

want to

submit that

I wouldn't

say this about

our church

in general,

and I'm

thankful for

that,

but overall,

the church

in America

statistically

has an

intense

doctrinal

shallowness.

They're a

mile wide,

an inch deep

on what they

believe.

And they

seem to be

concerned about

learning the

bare minimum

of the

Bible.

They content

themselves with,

I'm not against

devotional books,

I'm just against

bad devotional

books.

Reading one

verse in a

paragraph is

not going to

get you through

your day.

That's not the

nourishment for

your soul.

What if you

just ate,

you know,

like one

biscuit in the

morning that

was supposed

to get you

through the

day?

Like that's

not really

good.

So because of

the doctrinal

shallowness

that exists,

the naive

or just easy

parade for

false teachers.

Like I

had a good

friend who

just bought

into some

recent new

books that

are out

there.

And he's

an awesome

dude.

He really

does love

the Lord,

but he

doesn't have

a very solid

foundation

biblically yet

for what is

true and what

is false.

false teachers

have to do

is just

like say a

little bit of

Christian jargon,

refer to a

single verse

maybe in

scripture.

I love how

Joel Osteen

loved to say

this is the

word of God

and then he

doesn't refer

to it the

whole rest of

the time.

So see,

it's just

tricky.

Use one

word,

just use

Christian jargon,

crack a few

jokes,

and then be

passionate and

then people

were just

like,

they just

can't,

they don't

know what

to do.

Like they're

just sucked

right in.

Like in,

whether it's

biblical or

not,

if someone

is hip and

cool and

has Christian

jargon,

a few jokes

and they're

passionate,

that's all

it takes.

I mean,

that's really

it and

it's sad.

And so,

we're probably

going to get

a little more

personal here.

We've been

speaking very

general for

the most

part.

But,

I want

to submit

to you

that I

have,

in the

past,

believed some

things that

were not

biblical.

Thankfully,

they didn't,

they weren't

things about

salvation or

anything like

that.

But,

how many of

you love the

Christian

bookstore?

When you

go to the

Christian

bookstore and

the Christian

music's playing

and you see

all these nice

people walking

around,

you're just

kind of,

like,

man,

this place

is awesome.

I remember

thinking that

when I first

became a

Christian.

And,

so,

we need,

though,

to understand

that whenever

we go into

the Christian

bookstore,

there's a lot

of junk in

the Christian

bookstore that

doesn't belong

there at

all.

Like,

they'll have

Brian McLaren

here,

Mac Claren,

and then John

MacArthur

right beside

each other.

And,

those two

guys,

no way.

Like,

one believes

the true

gospel and

one doesn't.

And,

you'll know

which one

he really

does.

So,

but,

due to the

church's

lack of

biblical

theology and

doctrine,

the word

doctrine is not

a bad word.

It's in the

New Testament

16 times.

So,

deal with

that.

But,

I know some

people are

like,

don't give

me doctrine,

don't give

me theology,

let's just

talk about

how much

Jesus loves

us.

And,

they don't

understand.

These are

things that

scripture talks

about that we

learn well and

that we still

instill into

our hearts.

so,

so,

good Christian

books will

always lead

you back

to the

scripture.

That's

something

Martin Luther

said a

long time

ago.

I love

like a

book like

John Piper.

You look and

he has like

12 pages in

the back that

are just

scripture

references and

just clear

Bible teaching.

And,

so,

I have a

quote here

by a guy

named Nathan

Benowitz.

He says,

outside the

local church,

there is

probably no

place in the

community with

more spiritual

influence than

the local

Christian bookstore.

For many

believers,

books provide

the primary

supplement to

what is heard

on Sundays.

But,

just because

something is on

the shelf

doesn't mean

that it's

doctrinally

accurate or

spiritually,

beneficial.

After all,

biblical discernment

is not just

for sermons.

It also must

be applied to

chapters and

articles.

And,

even the

bestsellers are

not above the

scrutiny of

scripture.

Like,

how dare some

of these guys

say that their

book is above

the book that

God himself

wrote.

And,

so,

I want to

communicate this

as kindly and

as humble as

I am.

This is like

the doctor

walking into

the office to

tell you that

you might have

eaten some

stuff that

might kill

you,

okay?

And,

something needs

to be done.

I have read

this book,

and as someone

who has gone

through a lot of

suffering in his

life,

this book brought

me no comfort

at all.

It made me

sad.

God,

and,

just as a

little thing

here,

this isn't

the time to

go through

like a large

book review

on these

things.

I'm going to

say a few

things about

them,

and if you

want to talk

to me later,

you can,

and I also

have some

things if you

want to,

to go and

read about

each one of

these books.

But,

there's so

many out

there,

but I

picked two.

So,

how many

have read

the book,

The Shack?

You don't need

to raise your

hand,

but just ask

yourself the

question.

I've read

the book,

it's a fiction

book,

but he seeks

to kind of

explain God's

relationship to

human suffering,

and it's an

emotional book,

it's even sad,

and like

emotionally,

it'll just pull

you right in,

and see,

there it is,

there's like

the biblical

shallowness of

our culture,

like it just

pulls us in

emotionally,

and we just

go throw out

like whatever

this says,

and we're just

pulled right in,

and it's a

fiction book,

and I want to

make just a

statement here,

the majority,

a lot,

excuse me,

I'll say a

lot,

a lot of

people out

there,

they don't get

their theology

from the Bible,

they get it

from Christian

fiction,

right?

And the

problem is,

you can't

just say,

well,

it was just

a fiction

book,

and he

didn't mean

for it to

be like a

systematic

theology,

or anything

like that,

but the

problem is,

people don't

read it that

way,

they get

like what

they believe

about God

from those

books,

and anybody,

regardless of

who you are,

you're held

accountable for

how you try

to portray

God,

whether it's

to a child

in a fiction

book,

or whether

it's to

grown adults,

like God

will hold you

accountable,

God cares

about how

he's seen,

and how

he's viewed,

there was a

Puritan named

William Ames

a long time

ago,

and he was

a loving,

kind pastor,

the people

loved him,

he spoke the

word of God,

and ministered

to the

laws,

and after

one of his

sermons,

the guy

said,

pastor,

you are so

precise in

what you say,

the Puritans

are known for

their precision

on what they

say,

they'll tell you

20 things they

don't mean,

before they tell

you 20 things

they do mean,

and,

but his

response was,

sir,

I serve a

precise God,

that's like

what he said,

so,

but in this

book,

real quickly,

there was this

guy named

Mack,

and his

daughter was

brutally

murdered in

this shack,

and he

receives an

invitation,

that ends up

being from

God himself,

to go back

to the shack,

and for,

and in the

process,

he meets the

Trinity there,

Father,

Son,

and Holy

Spirit,

but they're

not,

they're

portrayed by,

you know,

African-American

woman,

and an

Asian woman,

and Jesus

actually plays

himself as

the Middle

Eastern man

in the

book,

so,

it's a

book that

really does

muddle the

sovereignty of

God,

it butchers the

Trinity,

and it's a

bad understanding

of salvation,

and I've done

my research on

William Young,

I don't,

I don't hate

this guy,

I feel like

terribly sorry

for him,

alright,

so here's

just a few

things out

of this book

that I saw,

and one is,

in regards to

the Trinity,

okay,

people are like,

I read this and

now I understand

the Trinity,

but no,

it says,

page 96,

it says,

when we three,

this is one of

them talking,

when we three

spoke ourselves

into human

existence,

as God,

the Son,

we became

fully human,

the Father,

the Spirit,

and Jesus

were together

at the cross,

and together

they were

crucified,

what?

No,

the Son

became manifest

in flesh,

the Father

didn't,

the Holy Spirit

did not,

who was

crucified on the

cross,

was the Father?

Nope,

it does this

all throughout

the book,

it gets the

roles of each

member of the

Trinity all

mixed up,

and that is

not glorifying

to God at

all,

and then when

it comes to

the understanding

of sin,

and punishment

of sin,

and judgment,

Jung carries

like an extreme

universal point

of view,

and he slips

it right in,

time and

again,

so this is

Jesus talking,

and he says,

this is what he

says,

I'm the best

way any

human can

relate to

Papa or

Sarayu,

well,

Father and

Holy Spirit,

to see me

is to see

them,

the love you

sense from me

is no different

from how they

love you,

so now Jesus

is the best

way to relate

to the Father,

in English

language,

the best way

means that

there are

other ways,

okay,

and in

regard to sin,

he said this,

this is,

this is Papa

talking,

he says,

I don't need

to punish

people for

sin,

sin is

its own

punishment,

devouring

you from

the inside,

it is not

my purpose

to punish

it,

it is my

joy to

cure it,

oops,

see,

sounds nice,

right,

but then,

this is page

120,

he says,

man,

I cannot

send any

of my

children

to an

eternal

hell just

because they

sin against

me,

your

understanding

of God

is wrong,

I am not

the one

who will

condemn

most people

to an

eternity

of torment,

and throughout

the book,

he uses

children,

the word

children,

as everybody

in the

world,

he is not

referring to

the believers,

scripture is

clear,

if you don't

have Christ,

it says the

wrath of

God remains

on you,

and the

true children

of God

are those

who have

Christ,

and that is

it,

it is not

a general

thing at

all,

and so,

God is not

going to

punish sin,

it is not,

what does it

say here,

he says that

most people

will not,

it is not

my purpose

to condemn

anybody,

well,

broad is

the path

that leads

to destruction,

and many

will find

it,

right,

like there's

this idea

there,

so there's

so much

in this

book,

but as

someone who's

been through

suffering,

he really

does,

like,

just destroy

God's

sovereignty

over suffering,

and like,

if you take

away the

sovereignty

of God,

you have

zero

comfort,

zero,

what's God

going to do,

he can't

protect you

from anything

at all,

and he

carries an

open theistic

point of view,

which you can

look up later,

but it's,

God is

reactive to

situations,

he's not

ordained

situations,

so,

man,

don't get

your theology

from this

stuff,

and pray

for this

guy,

okay,

and,

and,

another

one,

this is just

the second

one,

this would

just be

a Bible

exegesis,

if we