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  1. So if you were with us last Sunday morning, so not this Sunday morning just gone, but the previous Sunday, we were looking at the beginning of Romans 13 where Paul outlines how we are to, or attitude we are to have to governing authorities.

  2. So he starts Romans 13 verse 1, and Romans 13 is at the end of your handouts. It says, let everyone be subject to the governing authorities. That's his kind of headline.

    Romans 13:1

  3. And that provides us with a neat step back into our series on the 1689 Baptist Confession, because it has a whole section entitled Civil Government, as the Baptists in 1689 talked about how we should relate to those in government and in authority over us.

  4. Now it's worth saying both about Romans 13 and the 1689 Baptist Confession, that what they say about authority, they do not say from a privileged position or a position of influence or ease.

  5. If you were with us on that Sunday morning, you'll know that Romans 13 is written to the church in Rome, who are under the very beginnings of Nero's reign.

  6. And Nero was not a nice guy, and he was not elected through a vote of the people, but got there by various underhanded means.

  7. And the 1689 Baptist Confession, likewise, was only published after a long delay, because prior to the act of tolerance, Baptists weren't allowed to publish books or do various other things as well.

  8. So one historian writes this about the time. So England's act of uniformity enacted on May the 19th, 1662, was a significant piece of legislation during the restoration period that aimed to establish religious conformity within the Church of England.

  9. So you might, if you know your history, Oliver Cromwell had started the kind of revolution, Charles II came back, and he brought in this act of conformity, which made a legal obligation for every church in the country to use the Book of Common Prayer.

  10. So it says here, following the English interregnum, which allowed for a degree of religious liberty under Oliver Cromwell, the return of Charles II brought about a desire for uniformity in worship.

  11. The act mandated that all ministers accept the revised Book of Common Prayer and publicly affirm their adherence to it.

  12. Failure to comply resulted in excommunication and a loss of positions, leading to the expulsion of over a thousand ministers who opposed its strict requirements.

  13. This period was marked by increased persecution and imprisonment of those who refused to conform, resulting in the creation of a rich body of dissenting literature.

  14. The act of uniformity laid the groundwork for future conflicts regarding religious freedom, which would not be fully addressed until the act of toleration in 1689.

  15. Now, that history may not interest you.

  16. It kind of interests me, but maybe not you.

  17. But it means that the people who wrote the 1689 Confession, many of them had been in prison,

  18. and were in prison for what they thought about the place of the church and its relationship to the government and those kind of things.

  19. So these people are not writing because they're the people in authority, just like Paul was not writing about being in authority.

  20. If you are interested, the ministers objected from their churches for their failure to conform to this act of parliament,

  21. where they weren't allowed to be within five miles of the place that they used to minister.

  22. So they weren't, not only that they weren't allowed to go back into the church, but they weren't allowed to go within a five mile radius.

  23. And so that was the idea that they weren't then allowed to gather their churches again in any other, in any other way.

  24. And so many of them just disobeyed that law.

  25. And so the prisons were apparently full of Baptist ministers at the time.

  26. So if anyone had a reason to be anti-authority, it was these guys, but they weren't.

  27. They were otherwise convinced.

  28. So let's read what they wrote.

  29. Chapter 24 of the 1689 Baptist Confession, Civil Government, starts paragraph one.

  30. God, the Supreme Lord and King of the whole world,

  31. has ordained civil authorities to be under him and over the people for his own glory and the public good.

  32. For this purpose, he has armed them with the power of the sword to defend and encourage those who do good and to punish evil doers.

  33. Paragraph two.

  34. Christians may lawfully accept and carry out the duties of public office when called to do so.

  35. In performing their office, they must especially maintain justice and peace according to the wholesome laws of each kingdom or other political entity.

  36. To carry out these duties, they are authorized now under the New Testament to wage war in just and necessary situations.

  37. Paragraph three.

  38. Because civil authorities are established by God for the purposes stated, we should submit in the Lord to them in everything lawful that they require.

  39. We should submit not only for fear of punishment, but also for sake of conscience.

  40. We ought to make requests and prayers for kings and everyone in authority so that under their rule,

  41. we may live a quiet and peaceful life in all godliness and honesty.

  42. Now, I know because we've talked about this on a number of Sunday evenings that some of that is quite dense, right?

  43. And you might be in a bit of a fog after me reading it.

  44. But perhaps you notice that each paragraph is dealing with a slightly different area of authority.

  45. So the first one is talking about the principle of authority.

  46. The second is talking about a Christian carrying out authority or taking authority to themselves or an office that carries authority.

  47. And the third is then about how we relate.

  48. And so we're just going to deal with it around those paragraphs.

  49. So firstly, the principle of authority.

  50. Now, in a way, this is what we were spending most of our time on on that Sunday morning looking at Romans 13.

  51. The principle is that God, the God of all authority, to whom all authority belongs, delegates his authority to others that they might rule on his behalf in a particular area.

  52. And God promises to hold those rulers to account for the manner in which they've used his authority because it was always his and it still belongs to him.

  53. In this paragraph, you might see that the governing authorities have the power of the sword.

  54. They are armed by God to punish evil and to encourage good.

  55. And so, as we saw last week, it's not that authority is bad.

  56. Authority is good.

  57. And it is there to punish evil and to encourage good.

  58. It's interesting as well to note that authority is not imposed as a result of the fall.

  59. As if in glory, there's going to be no authority structures.

  60. Right.

  61. Rather, authority from God delegated to others is how good is encouraged.

  62. And that's how it was always meant to be.

  63. And it now also assumes this role of punishing evil.

  64. Now, I think as well as being the civil authorities in view, it goes with other authorities, too, don't we?

  65. We're thinking about that last week.

  66. Not all authorities carry the sword.

  67. So not all authority is the authority to command.

  68. Some authority is the authority to influence.

  69. So if you think about the authority of a parent over a child, that changes in some ways from command.

  70. Put on your shoes.

  71. We're going out to the authority of influence.

  72. Hey, would you like to come out?

  73. We're going to go out now if you'd like to come as you as your children get as your children get older.

  74. And here, this is the authority of command that the government have because they carry the sword to punish disobedience.

  75. One thing that we didn't get into last week, though, which is worth picking up here, is the idea that authority is linked to an office.

  76. So notice that in the 1689 confession and in Romans 13, authority is not so much invested in a particular individual because of who they are,

  77. but rather because of the office that they hold for a season.

  78. The Lord has ordained the civil authorities.

  79. It's an important distinction because authority goes wrong when we mess this up.

  80. You imagine, right?

  81. Okay, so imagine that you're driving home from church tonight and a car pulls in front of you and they get out of the car and they say,

  82. listen, you wait there while all these other cars go past.

  83. You know, well, hang on a minute.

  84. Who are you?

  85. You know, you just, you've literally just obstructed my right of way.

  86. And then they're telling me to let all these other people pass.

  87. Who are you to do that?

  88. But if the same car, the same thing that happened, but the car was a police car and the person getting out of the car was a police officer and they told you to do that, that would be different.

  89. Even if the individual who is doing it was exactly the same person in both instances.

  90. It's because of the office that they have and it's the office that carries the authority, not the individual.

  91. And that's made clear in those three paragraphs in the confession as well.

  92. So that is the office that carries the authority.

  93. That's really important, isn't it?

  94. You can see how that works in different areas.

  95. Tony Blair this week wrote his essay being very critical of the government.

  96. But his essay carries no authority, does it?

  97. Because he's no longer the prime minister.

  98. So he can think what he likes, but he no longer has any authority because the authority is invested in the office, not in the individual.

  99. And this means, doesn't it, that authority belongs to God.

  100. It's his idea.

  101. He stands behind it and it still belongs to him and is exercised under his supreme authority.

  102. One way that the Westminster Confession teases this out.

  103. So if you know, the 1689 Baptist Confession is based on the Westminster Confession of Faith.

  104. The Westminster Confession of Faith is both written as a confession and then the larger and shorter catechism which were designed to teach it.

  105. And in the larger catechism of the Westminster Confession of Faith, it teaches you authority on the basis of the fifth commandment.

  106. What is the fifth commandment?

  107. Honor your father and mother.

  108. Well done, Anna.

  109. You always were my favorite daughter.

  110. Yeah.

  111. And so what is the fifth commandment?

  112. It is honor thy father and thy mother that in the days may be long on the land that the Lord thy God giveth thee, as it says in the confession.

  113. Then question 124 in the larger catechism says this.

  114. Who are meant by father and mother in the fifth commandment?

  115. And this is where it's surprising.

  116. Look at the answer.

  117. It's there on your handout.

  118. The answer is given is this.

  119. By father and mother in the fifth commandment are meant not only natural parents, but all superiors in age and gifts and especially such as by God's ordinance are over us in place of authority, whether in family, church or commonwealth.

  120. It then talks about how superiors are to love and serve and be tender towards their inferiors like a parent to a child.

  121. We'll have a look at that in a moment.

  122. And it then says this.

  123. What is the honor that inferiors owe to their superiors?

  124. We don't like those words, do we?

  125. But that's how it puts it.

  126. The honor which inferiors owe to their superiors is all due reverence in heart, word and behavior.

  127. Prayer and thanksgiving for them.

  128. Imitation of their virtues and graces.

  129. Willing obedience to their lawful commands and counsels.

  130. Due submission to their corrections.

  131. Fidelity to defense and maintenance of their persons and authority according to their several ranks and the nature of their places.

  132. Bearing with their infirmities and covering them in love so that they may be an honor to them and their government.

  133. What are the sins of inferiors against their superiors?

  134. It says next.

  135. The sins of inferiors against their superiors are all neglect of the duties required toward them.

  136. Envying at, contempt of and rebellion against their persons and places in their lawful counsels, commands and corrections.

  137. Cursing, mocking and all such refractory and scandalous carriage as proves their shame and dishonor to them and their government.

  138. That's interesting, isn't it?

  139. That it would place that under the fifth commandment that we are to submit not only to our fathers and our mothers.

  140. But also to all authority structures instituted by the Lord.

  141. I want you with the person next to you or persons next to you to think, do you agree with that?

  142. Do you think obedience to the fifth commandment includes how you treat your boss at work or your teacher or those in government or those in law enforcement?

  143. You can answer why or why not.

  144. And then why is that so unpopular, do you think?

  145. Go for it.

  146. Have a conversation with the person next to you about it.

  147. Okay.

  148. Okay.

  149. Sorry to interrupt your conversations.

  150. What are your thoughts?

  151. What are our thoughts on whether or not we think that is a right use of the commandment?

  152. I mean, I wish it wasn't.

  153. You wish it wasn't, right.

  154. So who's going to help Leila out to say it's not?

  155. That's not what it means.

  156. She said she wishes it wasn't because she doesn't like the idea.

  157. I think the problem is in the word meant because they're assuming that that is what God means when you gave that command.

  158. Right.

  159. If you say there is an analogy, like for example, with parents and children, it differs as they get older.

  160. Yes.

  161. But it doesn't differ in terms of honouring you half an other.

  162. Right.

  163. And so likewise, I mean, you've got church authority.

  164. Church is voluntary.

  165. Yes.

  166. Yes.

  167. And it doesn't alter with age unless you say somebody gets older and they have more respect and more sensible.

  168. Okay.

  169. They may not.

  170. But that's not, they're not starting off like being a child that has to have commands.

  171. Yes.

  172. So for the sake of those on Zoom, we're helpfully distinguishing between meaning and intent.

  173. So just whether that's exactly what is intended or whether that is an inference from.

  174. Yeah.

  175. And so, and even in the relationship to our mother and father changes over time, given our age.

  176. Yeah.

  177. Right.

  178. Right.

  179. Right.

  180. There's quite a lot of different concepts coming out.

  181. So we need to kind of try and distinguish.

  182. No, no, no.

  183. It's good.

  184. It's good.

  185. So whether or not you base the laws of a country on the Ten Commandments, it might be one thing to say that is, those things are good, but you're not creating a Christian nation by implementing those laws.

  186. And implementing God's punishments.

  187. No.

  188. No, exactly.

  189. Exactly.

  190. And I think it's interesting.

  191. And we're going to come on and talk about this a little bit in a moment.

  192. But I think theologians have over the years quite helpfully distinguished between different uses of the law now that we're no longer under the law in an Old Testament sense.

  193. So one being that it is a helpful tool to guide governments to teach us what's right and wrong.

  194. So it should be wrong to murder people in any country.

  195. That's, you know, the protection of life is really important.

  196. You know, a country should uphold marriage.

  197. That's a good thing for us to uphold.

  198. It's given by God in creation.

  199. But that, again, doesn't mean that we're recreating the nation of Israel or that we're enacting the punishments.

  200. And I think if you're reading the Bible in the ages in which it comes, as we were thinking this morning, that should be, you should be able to distinguish that.

  201. The second use of the law that it talks about is convicting people of sin.

  202. You know, you read the law and go, OK, so this is what it says.

  203. I'm a sinner.

  204. I deserve to be condemned by this God.

  205. This is what holiness is.

  206. And then the third would be to teach us about holiness, to teach us what it means to live to please the Lord, which is how I think Jesus is using it in Sermon on the Mount.

  207. Anyone else?

  208. Sorry, so this is just not a conversation just between one person and me, but anybody else want to talk about the fifth commandment and whether we thought that was a right use of it or not?

  209. Just wait one minute, Charles.

  210. Yes.

  211. Yes.

  212. I guess a key part of what it comes down to Paul saying that if no, he's not going to go to God.

  213. Yes.

  214. So then if we're, I may disagree, the character is still not thinking we would follow the third place.

  215. Yeah.

  216. But if God has the point of that, then we're rebelling against.

  217. It's rebelling against God.

  218. Yeah.

  219. And it's also, you can see how it's not helpful.

  220. Yeah.

  221. You know, it's not helpful to rebel against the office and respect the position of promise.

  222. Yeah.

  223. Yeah.

  224. Yes, so that's helpful.

  225. We can see how God has put those out.

  226. And so I think you can see a similarity between the principle of the fifth commandment and the principle going on in Romans 13.

  227. There is a parallel there.

  228. Thanks, Joey.

  229. Charleston, what were you going to say?

  230. Sorry.

  231. Yeah.

  232. Yeah.

  233. Yes.

  234. Yes, in Titus 2.

  235. Yeah.

  236. So you're talking about how you treat older men and older women in Titus 2.

  237. You treat them with respect.

  238. Yeah.

  239. Yeah.

  240. Why do we think this is so unpopular?

  241. Did anyone talk about that?

  242. Go on.

  243. We did because we usually think as, yeah, as father and mother.

  244. But then we don't think, for example, about our bosses or authorities that we, I'm not going to like generalize and say like everybody does it.

  245. But like we usually listen in this case.

  246. Because I don't like my boss.

  247. I don't have a good relationship with them.

  248. So like it's important to apply this also in our work area.

  249. Yeah.

  250. And I was thinking that like, I think that good example someone very wise gave me some years ago was doing everything for God.

  251. Great.

  252. It's important for the person who wanted me to have a good relationship with him.

  253. Do it for God.

  254. great yes so that's thank you that's really helpful it's um it's colossians isn't it where

  255. paul says whatever you do whether in word or deed you do it all for the glory of god and i think um

  256. yeah and whatever you do whether in word or deed do it all in the name of the lord jesus giving

  257. thanks to god the father through him that really helps doesn't it especially when your boss is

  258. perhaps a difficult person and then yeah my my deference to them is really my deference to the

  259. lord um and so that and that helps me yes so the question about slavery let's park that for a

  260. moment um yeah i think yeah we can park that we've talked about that before but yeah let's move on uh

  261. and talk about the christian in authority i'm not sure that if we were including or writing the 1689

  262. confession ourselves so that we perhaps include this but it is there in the westminster confession

  263. too that it is okay for christians to carry out the duties of public office when called to do so

  264. and that then how they do it should be informed by their christian faith so not only should our

  265. christian faith shape how we submit to authority it should also shape how we exercise the authority

  266. that god has given us now you can imagine at the time this is quite revolutionary but the thinking was

  267. that it was good both for christians to hold these positions but also to be christian in the way they

  268. went about them so it's okay for a christian to be involved in party politics or for a christian to be

  269. in the army and a christian to take up arms and fight the westminster larger catechism included this

  270. about how to go about holding a superior office what is required of superiors towards their inferiors

  271. it is required of superiors according to that power that they receive from god and that relation wherein

  272. they stand to love pray for and bless their inferiors to instruct counsel and admonish them

  273. countenancing commending and rewarding such as do well and discountenancing imagine going into a

  274. conversation i am discountenancing you now if you're a teacher you could try that tomorrow at school

  275. reproving and chastising such as do ill protecting and providing for them in all things necessary for

  276. soul and body and by grave wise holy and exemplary carriage to proceed to procure glory to god

  277. honor to themselves and so to preserve that authority which god hath put upon them

  278. in other words you are to exercise your authority in such a way which is good for the people under you

  279. so that they might flourish that they might do well authority is not given to to squash people but to

  280. provide an environment in which they will flourish and do well and maybe you've experienced that

  281. maybe you've experienced a boss like that or a parent like that or someone at school like that who has

  282. enabled you to flourish because they exercise their authority in a way that enabled you to do well

  283. what are the sins of superiors the sins of superiors are besides the neglect of their duties required of

  284. them and we we talked about that didn't we on sunday that actually uh a kind of neglect of your

  285. authority or uh what would it be called oh my mind has just got black what you call it when you don't

  286. exercise your authority sorry not yeah abdicating your authority yes abdicating your responsibility thank you

  287. yeah um that is wrong um you have been given authority so you need to use that so besides the

  288. neglect of the duties required of them an inordinate seeking of themselves their own glory ease profit or

  289. pleasure commanding things unlawful or not in the power of inferiors to perform counseling encouraging

  290. or favoring them in a way in that which is evil dissuading discouraging or discounting them in that which

  291. is good correcting them unduly and julie carelessly exposing or leaving them to wrong temptation and

  292. danger provoking them to wrath or in any way dishonoring themselves or lessening their authority

  293. by an unjust indiscreet rigorous or remiss behavior we could i mean you could spend ages on picking all of

  294. this couldn't you but it is so helpful isn't it and you can see where authority goes wrong because of

  295. those sorts of things can't you so there's like the bias towards people at favoring them in that which

  296. is evil or commanding things not only that are unlawful but are impossible for them to perform

  297. so you know you might have had this in with a boss or maybe a teacher at school who asks you to do

  298. something which is way beyond what you are capable of doing either because of the time or the capacity that

  299. you might have that is an unjust use of their authority to demand that you do something like

  300. that and so if you're in authority don't do that now it's interesting isn't it then if if it's okay

  301. for christians to hold positions of authority and maybe you hold one and it's even right for christians

  302. to hold positions of authority in civic government then really we should perhaps touch upon christian

  303. nationalism and i know that's a really controversial and and hot topic at the moment and how much should

  304. christian values shape a nation and does that make you a christian country now notice how these

  305. instructions tiptoe through that minefield on the one hand it is good for the authorities of a nation to

  306. be shaped around christian values right justice peace integrity are good for everyone and you you

  307. actually can't pretend to have those things without a good god you know don't you that actually that

  308. whole idea of of human inalienable human rights is really difficult if you don't have a good god who made

  309. humanity right the only way that you can argue for human dignity is if that dignity is assigned to humanity

  310. by a good god who made us so it is good isn't it for us to assign value to humans because god does

  311. but still we mustn't think that by holding high office by a christian holding high office that we're

  312. somehow going to build the kingdom of god as if we can build it with a sword we can't can we and the

  313. country does not become christian in some way by christians holding high office now here it's worth

  314. noticing i think it's worth noticing you can decide for yourself whether you thought it was

  315. but there is a distinction then between the baptist confession in 1689 and the westminster confession of

  316. faith the westminster confession of faith written by the westminster divines on the command of parliament

  317. the baptist confession written by non-conformists who were really largely just expelled because of their

  318. unwillingness to submit to parliaments or to the king's instruction that they should submit to the book of

  319. common prayer so here the westminster confession has an extra paragraph and in that extra paragraph it

  320. says that the government should have authority over the doctrine of the church i know shock horror and the

  321. 1689 baptist confession does not have that paragraph and it's interesting it is a strategic deletion

  322. from the confession and robert strivens who's written a book on the confession says this the

  323. omission of any such statement in the 1689 confession reflects the early realization by baptists

  324. that under the new testament church and state are to be separate each has its own sphere of operation

  325. and one is not to encroach upon the other questions of doctrine and church practice are for the church to

  326. regulate not the state just as the church is not to tell the government how to run the economy or defend its

  327. territory so the civil authorities have no right to dictate to the church how to organize its meetings

  328. or what to teach we touched on that didn't we a few weeks ago that the church is given the great commission

  329. and are given the keys to the kingdom to show what is real true belief and the state is given the sword

  330. and really christians are to pray that the state does their job so that they can do their job of making

  331. disciples you don't pray that the government would make disciples of all nations you pray that the

  332. church would do that and the government would allow the freedom to do that it's the separation of the

  333. church and the state so that brings me to an interesting set of questions for you to discuss

  334. with the person next to you so if you're in government as a christian would it be right or wrong for you

  335. to seek to make abortion a criminal offense to enforce shops to close on a sunday to make a law like

  336. switzerland where you are neutral in all wars to criminalize the worship of gods other than the

  337. god of the bible have a think with the person next to you about what you think about that

  338. yes or a no on each of those

  339. okay um let me interrupt your conversations

  340. i should um i should preface this discussion by saying that um we are we are entering into areas

  341. over which it's we're free to disagree okay and we're free to think aloud so please don't

  342. judge one another by whatever answers are given because it's it's important that is a process of

  343. learning we are allowed to say what we're thinking right without fear that someone's going to slam us

  344. down or judge us as a result say um and i realize that some of these issues are controversial and

  345. difficult so um i wanted to say that um so that first say yes anyone want to say what they thought

  346. charleston

  347. okay so let's deal with that last one first say number four

  348. to criminal it's good that the police are going past as we're talking about this isn't it

  349. to uh they're just they're just going to arrest some people for worshiping a different god

  350. um is it right is it right to criminalize the worship of gods other than the god of the bible

  351. do you think if you were in high office as a christian that that would be one of the things that

  352. you were instructed to do yes or no that's it it depends on the it depends on god yes okay so that

  353. is really interesting thank you that's a really helpful point it depends what is involved in the

  354. worship of that god so if the worship of that god involved child sacrifice you would criminalize it

  355. yes absolutely yes but it is the sacrifice that's criminalized it's the it's the act of worship that

  356. involves uh the loss of life

  357. say again sorry

  358. yes so i think okay i'll put out there what i think then you don't have to say what you think

  359. so i think this is beyond the remit of a government because i don't think that's what governing

  360. authorities are put there in the bible for so i i i think for for a government to criminalize the

  361. worship of a god given the exception that we had down here which is really helpful unless that act

  362. of worship involved the loss of life or something uh criminal or some adulterous act or something like

  363. that then you uh then really the freedom to worship um should be granted right because you know don't you

  364. that by criminalizing the worship of other gods other than the god of the bible you're not making

  365. christians because you cannot make christians like that it's only a work of the spirit that can make

  366. christians

  367. yes in actual fact you might be doing more harm than good yes yeah definitely okay um make a law like

  368. switzerland where you are neutral in all wars

  369. no okay yeah uh enforce shops to close on a sunday

  370. no interesting um do you think it would be

  371. good for a country to all have a day when everybody stopped working

  372. yes enforcing it okay because i guess the question i have yes if we're going to sort of protect life and that's the office of the government

  373. protecting reps is right would like as christian would i recommend that you take us out today yeah yeah

  374. would i recommend the close office i think yeah yeah i don't know if you can enforce that

  375. yeah

  376. okay so it depends what you mean by enforcement yeah okay yeah so you would be so we have things like working time directives don't we

  377. where we put limits on the amount that employers are allowed to ask their employees to work

  378. um but you wouldn't suggest that we all had the same dale

  379. i would suggest it i would have passed when we are

  380. huh

  381. we need things running when we're off yes so yes this would apply unless you're a doctor or a nurse or

  382. my barista yeah um whatever yeah right okay interesting yeah it's worth i mean it's it's worth

  383. thinking about isn't it because i think that's where you see a massive cultural change over the last 50 years or so

  384. in the uk uh seek to make abortion a criminal offense i realize this is the

  385. ethically complex one and most difficult one um i think at a very basic level

  386. the government's responsibility is to protect life that's that's why it's there that's why it's

  387. that's why it's given and so i think what immediately comes to our mind when we think about this is oh well

  388. what about this case where the mother's life is in danger or what about this case where they might

  389. uh do themselves harm actually suspending those arguments and putting those to one side for a

  390. moment you you have to say that at a very basic level uh contemporary cultures speed with which and

  391. ease with which we kill the unborn child is a failure of the government to protect life at a very basic

  392. level and it's the same with euthanasia isn't it as well it's this uh idea that uh when somebody is

  393. no longer productive in the way that i think they should be that therefore they should be allowed to

  394. choose to end their life or others should be allowed to end it um for them um i think we don't realize

  395. how vulnerable something like euthanasia would make lots of elderly people um did we revisit them yes

  396. um i have a question about

  397. i feel like i agree that people don't read about how fast

  398. how abnormal it is

  399. yeah

  400. but should we also be thinking about how many lives

  401. right

  402. okay

  403. see there are other yes so i'm just going to describe it in the answer to a question so i think

  404. it's right to say on that there are there are other things that a government that was positive about

  405. protecting life could do to help with the unwanted pregnancy situations in there so like contraception

  406. and like adoption um and those sorts of things yeah so i agree with you um but that is a government

  407. that's taken seriously the idea to protect life isn't it and uh to set those conditions we need to we

  408. need to keep moving sorry go on you disagree

  409. and i agree that it's important right but i disagree about the approach and banning

  410. okay i think firstly um you've got to think about

  411. right there's a lot of people who can do good

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  417. think that the New Testament demands that either. I do think, though, you should allow people the

  418. freedom of conscience about whether personally to be involved in that. So I think you'd need to be

  419. very careful about conscription to the army. Yeah, but that's a slightly different issue.

  420. We're going to keep moving because it's nearly half of seven. Relating to authority. Basically,

  421. in this last paragraph, the confession pretty much quotes Romans 13 and 1 Timothy 2. So

  422. we're not going to go through it in great detail. But we should submit to all lawful demands from

  423. those put in authority over us, and we should pray for them, seeking, as we were saying, to lead a

  424. quiet and peaceful life where we can get on with the Great Commission. Again, it's interesting that

  425. these words were written by people who'd been put in prison for disobeying the authorities, isn't it?

  426. So they're not saying don't ever disobey authorities. When authority strays into an area over which they

  427. have no right to rule, they are overreaching the authority that God has given to them, demanding

  428. that a Baptist church stop preaching while we'll disobey that law, and we'll get put in prison for it.

  429. But they still thought that obedience to authority mattered. We're going to skip the last in-groups

  430. session about where there might be areas where it's important to be prepared to disobey authorities.

  431. But you might want to think, if my workplace demanded that I was not allowed to talk about

  432. being a Christian, would I obey it? Or would I disobey it? If my workplace demanded that I

  433. was unable to express my Christian faith in other ways, or talk about it, or take Sundays off,

  434. then would I obey or would I disobey? And those kind of things. You might want to think about that.

  435. You might also want to think about why we find it so easy to rebel in some things, like speed limits,

  436. and hard to rebel in areas that really matter, like standing up for the rights of the unborn

  437. child. You might want to think about that as you go to bed tonight or something.

  438. But what I'm going to suggest is that in those little groups that you're in, that we pray,

  439. and that we pray for one another. This is our prayer, isn't it, in this? It's not just in the

  440. land of theory. This is our prayer, that those in authority would enable us to live quiet,

  441. godly lives, where we share the good news of the Lord Jesus with others, and that our submission

  442. and prayerfulness for those in authority would lead to fruitfulness for our church and our witness.

  443. So pray for that with those around you for a few minutes, and then I'll close in prayer.

  444. Okay, let me close in prayer for us in a couple of moments.

  445. Heavenly Father, we are very conscious that we owe a lot to men and women down through the years

  446. who have really, really thought about and understood authority and how it's to be used.

  447. We owe a lot to them because we enjoy so much freedom here tonight because of the sacrifices that

  448. they have made. And Lord, we do not want to take those things for granted. We don't want to be

  449. thoughtless about what it means to be under authority or in authority. And nor do we want to pretend like

  450. your word has nothing to say to how a country should be run or how authority should be submitted to

  451. or exercised. And we recognize that we may well find ourselves in years ahead and in times to come

  452. in a position where authority over us is not used to give us freedom to worship, but to curtail our

  453. freedom to worship. And Lord, we pray if that's our circumstance that you might make us bold and

  454. courageous to stand for the Lord Jesus and to continue to speak his name. And we pray that you would,

  455. Lord, prevent that from happening and help us to use whatever influence that we have, whether it's just

  456. a vote in a box or whether it's a position of authority that you've given us, that you might help us to

  457. promote what is good and to resist what is evil. Lord, that your church might flourish and grow,

  458. not at the point of a sword, but at the preaching of the good news of the Lord Jesus. So make us,

  459. we pray, those courageous Christians who understand these things and think them through

  460. and who live them out. Pray just especially maybe for people here in this room who go

  461. tomorrow to a difficult work situation with an unreasonable boss. Pray that you would help them

  462. in that situation to do whatever they do in word or deed in your name and giving thanks to you

  463. as we pray in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.